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12:00 PM
@betseg the challenge say up to 65535, so a minimum width of 16 bit is required
 
@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ Ya i know i just forgot how bits work for a second
@TùxCräftîñg same for you too
 
@betseg gcc doesn't work: ld is borked.
It doesn't find crt[1in].o and -lc.
 
What are you trying to compile
 
cmatrix.
./configure reports that gcc is borked.
(borked = broken)
So, I installed all the possible dependencies and tried again.
./configure reports that gcc is broken.
 
you installed gcc, right?
 
12:10 PM
Yup.
 
screenshot?
 
Then, I checked gcc by writing a minimal complete program, and ran gcc on it.
 
so you have libc?
 
50
A: Compiling problems: cannot find crt1.o

kchajaWhat helped me is to create a symbolic link: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /usr/lib64

 
I see that ld failed to find crt1.o, crti.o, -lc and crtn.o. Result, ld returned 1 exit status.
 
12:13 PM
@zyabin101 meaning no libc
do you have compiletc installed?
 
İ don't thint any Linux distro would run withut a libc
 
@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ This is a meta-app to install a full gcc env? I'm in.
I'll get cmatrix working, "by any means necessary."
 
vigil seems cool
 
raise Exception()
 
I finally ./configured cmatrix! \o/
One question: I installed ncurses, but make doesn't find it.
 
12:20 PM
@zyabin101 it should
 
cmatrix.c:37:20: fatal error: curses.h: No such file or directory
 
cograts @MartinEnder for the amazing achievement! oh, and congrats @Mego too I guess :p
 
@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ ^^
 
$ python2 vigil test.py
uncaught error from line  37
Vigil has failed to uphold supreme moral vigilance.
uncaught error from line  19


------------------------------------------------------------------

The ever vigilant watchers of your code have found malfeasance in:

def punish(line, offense):
Crime: Raised 'list index out of range' which was not caught.

Each has been dealt an appropriate punishment.
wat
 
12:21 PM
@TùxCräftîñg Did you just remove punish the crucial function from test.py? O_O
 
def autopunishlol():
        implore False
def main():
        autopunishlol()
        print"Hello, World!"
^ my code
 
HAI VISIBLE "WOW I CAN HAZ KODEZ" KTHXBYE
 
uncaught error from line  20
Vigil has failed to uphold supreme moral vigilance.
uncaught error from line  49
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "vigil", line 75, in <module>
    vigil_uncaught()
  File "vigil", line 49, in vigil_uncaught
    punish(raise_line, "Raised '%s' which was not caught." % sys.exc_info()[1])
NameError: global name 'punish' is not defined
watttt
vigil borked itself
 
@zyabin101 where are the ncurses headers you installed?
 
@betseg How to find where are the ncurses headers I installed.
 
12:28 PM
@zyabin101 how did you install them
./configure make make install?
 
@Katenkyo Thanks!
 
@betseg I downloaded the ncurses.tcz app from the app browser built into Tiny Core.
 
gnu.org says gcc looks into these directories: /usr/local/include
libdir/gcc/target/version/include
/usr/target/include
/usr/include just ls them.
Or find /usr --name ncurses.h
 
@betseg No ncurses.h.
Nor curses.h D:
 
12:36 PM
@betseg ./configured ncurses, now what next?
Ah, I found that the Makefile was created by ./configure. nvm
 
@zyabin101 git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/… this is how Arch compiles ncurses. You might need some ./configure --arguments
 
make finished.
 
-5
A: Unable to boot into Windows Vista, gets into grub prompt

lolwatdafuklol go fuck yourself Ya suck your nan shit bitch piece of motherfucking shit you fucking cunts i know yall niggers to work in there but for gods sake stop fucking peoples pcs motherfucking cunts bastards.

 
Installed new ncurses.
 
12:42 PM
@zyabin101 Make install, then try and compile cmatrix
 
@betseg 1) done, 2) tbd after I flag something.
 
@TùxCräftîñg i just dunno man
 
@TùxCräftîñg This went away.
Well, there goes my new Server Fault account.
 
Aaand the answer is gone
 
ninja'd
My SF account is not appearing on my SE profile, unless I get a rep change.
Note that I can flag/upvote something on SF, still.
 
12:46 PM
My Google-Fu is so strong i can't aşk anything on SF
Lel autocorrect ask->aşk
 
@betseg If you get a problem with a server you can't just Google?
Then you can ask.
No one can steal your ability to ask on SE.
I finally got curses.h in the VM!
 
@betseg I installed cmatrix!
One minor problem, the matrix fonts could not have been applied.
How could cmatrix work without the matrix fonts?
 
:31408699
 
Ah, you can run it in the console. Got it. :3
 
12:52 PM
i think ./configure --enable-widec enables the matrix characters
 
Well, I can go without it.
 
It uses ASCII instead.
 
rm -fr france
 
@TùxCräftîñg Probably SquashFS
 
12:54 PM
 
A lot of live CDs use that for the things in /
 
@betseg I thought it was -rf.
 
but i have borked sh \o/
 
@zyabin101 The order doesn't matter
 
Ah.
 
12:54 PM
@quartata wow u ninja'd me
 
It's cool :D
 
1:08 PM
I discovered BefOS, an operating system which is self-editable, works on machine code, and is challenging.
 
help, i got vivaldi and i feel like i'm not using it to its full potential/i'm sure i can make it more more tailored for me but idk how
 
İnstall the four seasons expansion pack :p
 
@betseg not that vivaldi
 
The Browser one i know
 
vivaldi is closed source ಠ______________ಠ
 
1:14 PM
@TùxCräftîñg but it's built on chromium, so it's not that closed source, plus the ui is completely HTML/CSS/JS
 
ಠ¯ಠ
 
I'm sure i can use that to my advantage and inject some js stuff
but i'm too used to non-customizable browsers, so idk what i even need
 
Google uses Apache for every open sourced thing
rms doesn't approve
 
@betseg Google is dumb
the only true license is GPL. and LGPL for libs.
 
"All licenses are always equal." - one very wise man
 
1:19 PM
ಠ¯ಠ
 
I should try creating my own open source license. :P
 
how do you callit?
 
@TùxCräftîñg Hmm, I don't know what to call it...
 
WTFPL is the real best
 
@betseg it's basically public domain/CC0 AFAIK
do What The Fuck you want to Public License

Version 1.0, March 2000
Copyright (C) 2000 Banlu Kemiyatorn (]d).
136 Nives 7 Jangwattana 14 Laksi Bangkok
Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies
of this license document, but changing it is not allowed.

Ok, the purpose of this license is simple
and you just

DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.
xD
 
1:31 PM
The important isn't the spec...it's the language. Who can understand CC0 or anything like that on the first glance? Almost noone. Who can understand WTFPL on the first glance? Everyone.
 
user image
4
 
DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE
Version 2, December 2004

Copyright (C) 2004 Sam Hocevar <sam@hocevar.net>

Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim or modified
copies of this license document, and changing it is allowed as long
as the name is changed.

DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE
TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION

0. You just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.
 
By the way, with the WTFPL, can I also…

Oh but yes, of course you can.
But can I…

Yes you can.
Can…

Yes!
Is Denommus right?

No.
 
whoTF is Denommus?
 
1:38 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ no Fing idea
pokemon have everything (videogame console games, desktop games, mobile mmo) but a ncurses version
 
@TùxCräftîñg They develop for consoles ¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
>_>
@zyabin101 no need to double /
but need to double the `\`
 
My edit window has expired X_X
 
What should I install on my new Tiny Core Linux VM? :3
 
1:47 PM
nasm
 
Cmatrix and/or asciiquarium
 
@betseg I installed cmatrix on another TC VM >_>
@TùxCräftîñg No, I'm not going to develop on the VM.
 
@zyabin101 Asciiquarium then
 
@zyabin101 ಠ_____________ಠ
 
@betseg Then I need to find perl-term-animation in the app store. >_>
 
1:49 PM
@zyabin101 there is a cmdline package manager logially
 
Is the same as the app store.
 
yes but GUI is evil
 
@TùxCräftîñg +1
 
@TùxCräftîñg ಠ_____________ಠ GUI isn't evil!
We meet it every time.
 
YES GUI IS EVIL
 
1:51 PM
What are you using right now? Windows 10.
It has a GUI.
 
O sh.t im using SE on a GUI browser
 
@betseg See, you meet a GUI every time.
 
@zyabin101 because i cant switch to linux >_>
 
I am using Windows 7, it has a GUI.
@TùxCräftîñg Doesn't matter, 'cuz most Linux distros have a GUI.
 
@zyabin101 you have unborked your computer?
 
1:52 PM
You meet GUIs every time.
 
I wonder if i can use the chat using w3m on TTY
 
@zyabin101 debian dont by default
 
@TùxCräftîñg also Arch doesn't
 
@TùxCräftîñg Nope, the computer in my home is still borked.
 
1:53 PM
I'm using a non-borked computer at Dad's home.
Good thing it has WiFi.
 
it is
 
> HTML and regex go together like love, marriage, and ritual infanticide.
4
 
>*Moderator's Note*
>
>This post is locked to prevent inappropriate edits to its content. The post looks exactly as it is supposed to look - there are no problems with its content. Please do not flag it for our attention.
I dunno how SE MD works
 
@betseg Yup, the post is a relic, and it has no problems with its content.
 
2:02 PM
@betseg MD in chat only work for one-liners (dont ask me why)
 
@betseg You forgot the space after the >?
> *Moderator's Note*
>
> This post is locked to prevent inappropriate edits to its content. The post looks exactly as it is supposed to look - there are no problems with its content. Please do not flag it for our attention.
 
Oh
 
It took 3 years, 1 month, and 1 name change, but
 
and to bold a text it need two *: **bold text**
 
Congrats @MartinEnder!
 
2:10 PM
@ANerd-I You mean 2 name changes?
@ANerd-I How did it take 3 years and a month at the same time? :P
 
@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ Officially 1 name change, with getting married, isn't it?
 
@ANerd-I He was originally called m.buettner
 
2:21 PM
5 hours ago, by flawr
user image
 
@flawr Who's the person in that picture? :3
I took links, 1.9MB.
 
@zyabin101 Don't remember? Meme from the 2012 summer olympics
 
Ohh...
 
McKalya or whatever she was called
 
2:24 PM
Aaaaah :3
 
 
Time to hire a counter :P
> Questions without an objective primary winning criterion are off-topic, as they make it impossible to indisputably decide which entry should win.
 
 
@veganaiZe it's not hard, i can solve it in less than 2mn, but ^^
 
Do it.
 
2:26 PM
This is the original reason for closure.
 
You can't solve it. You probably voted to close it
 
i voted to cloe
 
I didn't vote to close it.
o_o
 
because there is no winning criterion
 
Well I re-clarified the "winning criteria"... care to take another look?
 
2:27 PM
The most popular objective winning criteria is .
 
@zyabin101 Thanks.
 
@veganaiZe Next time consider using the sandbox.
 
and ^
 
It's not a "code-golf" challenge. It's a "programming-puzzle"
 
@veganaiZe You still need a winning criterion. If there is none, it is off topic.
 
2:29 PM
huh transparency
 
Well, the way I see it is that y'all should go vote to re-open it or I'm done with stackunderflow.... not up to my standard
 
"The only objective of this challenge is to store a number in the typical "type" that is used to store a 32-bit or 64-bit number, in your chosen language, and run a loop that iterates (printing a count and optional message for each iteration) the same number of times as the input number. BUT you must NOT attempt to initialize a separate counter object.
Consider this: YOU CAN WRITE IT IN PSEUDO-CODE so byte size, optimization, and other trickery will do NOTHING for you"
 
@veganaiZe Nobody forces you to stay. But if you want to play on PPCG you have to play by the rules of PPCG.
 
@veganaiZe That doesn't seem to be an objective winning criteria. >_>
1.9 megabytes for Links.
It fits on a 200-character per inch 2400-foot IBM 7330 7-track magnetic tape. :P
 
2:31 PM
n = input()
n += 1 << 16
while (n >> 16) <= (n & 0xFFFF):
        print(n >> 16)
        n += 1 << 16
@veganaiZe ^
python2
 
What's the output?
 
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
for the input 10
 
@veganaiZe If there are multiple correct solutions, how do you decide which one wins?
 
I answered every question 3+ times in my write up
 
@veganaiZe WHY DON'T YOU READ THE RULES OF THIS SITE FIRST?
 
2:34 PM
n = input()
print"Original value =", n
print
n += 1 << 16
while (n >> 16) <= (n & 0xFFFF):
        print"Current step =", n >> 16
        n += 1 << 16
print
print"Final value =", (n >> 16)
@veganaiZe ^
 
@veganaiZe I don't see an objective way of determining that in your question. How clean the code is, etc. is purely opinion based.
 
huh nvm
this code is borked
n = input()
print"Original value =", n
print
n += 1 << 16
while (n >> 16) <= (n & 0xFFFF):
        print"Current step =", n >> 16
        n += 1 << 16
print
print"Final value =", (n >> 16) - 1
 
@TùxCräftîñg Stop it plz
 
why? he want a answer.
 
I want it to demonstrate a way to pack an (equal) iterator value in with an identical constant value.
 
2:36 PM
@veganaiZe identical constant value?
 
@TuxCrafting you should post that as an answer instead of sitting here: THE CRITERIA IS YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION WHERE IT'S ASKED to win
 
@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ only one integer variable is allowed
 
@veganaiZe That's not a valid criteria; that means any answer would win, meaning you get to choose an arbitrary winner
 
One "integral" variable with two values
 
@veganaiZe You need an objective winning criterion. For real, read the rules off the site before you spam us here.
 
2:37 PM
@veganaiZe your question dont have a objective winning criterion, so i voted to close ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I feel like we need some sort of guideline that says "Most on-topic challenges avoid talking about what the code should do, but rather what the code should output"
because defining what code "does" is really difficult
 
@NathanMerrill Does not completely hold for
 
@flawr it doesn't completely hold for any challenge (like the File writing challenge)
 
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Michael KleinXor A Rational Number Background Consider a fraction 2/5: 0.10011001100110011001100110011... \___/\__/ (a) (b) It has a "regular" or non-repeating part (a) and a repeated part (b). Let's go ahead and shift it right by one bit and xor it with the original: x = 0.1001100110011001...

 
@Martin Ender Congrats on 100k
 
2:39 PM
@veganaiZe y u know that h1 is for titles and not to emphasise something?
 
use <b> and </b>
 
or in markdown **text**
@veganaiZe why your example program exits on 0??
 
also, what's the status of as acceptance criterion?
 
Wolfram|Alpha can do math with megabytes and megabytes.
 
didn't we disallow it?
 
2:41 PM
it's probably because our title have Programming Puzzle
 
And can do math with megabytes and kilobytes :D
 
It can do math with three items \o/
 
hmmm, maybe I'll post a programming puzzle to prompt additional conversation
 
@Nathan: you'll have to look that up for yourself. I understand it to be about altering existing code (which is now at the bottom of my example)
 
2:47 PM
> WINNING CRITERIA: Solution that is most elegant by complementing it's chosen language. If your language is too clunky, then your entry will not be chosen.
ಠ_ಠ (emphasis mine)
 
No
That is not objective
 
> This isn't golf!
> This isn't about speed.
> It's about simple elegance and clarity.
huh
 
@veganaiZe code clarity is not objective. We've tried it many times, and its always too subjective
 
@Rohan agreed. changed.
 
yeah, our equivalent of an elegance and clarity challenge is a popcon
 
2:49 PM
@TuxCrafting Exactly. Nobody seems to understand what the words "elegance" an "clarity" mean around here.
 
i love popcorn
 
@RohanJhunjhunwala me too :3
 
@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ even then, we've tried a "code cleanliness", and it was closed as well
when doing a pop-con, users need some form of voting criterion, and "cleanliness" is too subjective for that
 
@veganaiZe is not that nobody understand, just that elegance/clarity is subjective
 
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

CopperDraw Concentric Squarephabets code-golf kolmongrov-complexity ascii-art Challenge Write a program or function that, given an input integer n, outputs a concentric squarephabet of size n×n. A concentric squarephabet is an ASCII-art square of concentric rings, where the outside ring of characte...

 
2:50 PM
and a challenge need a objective winning criterion
 
@veganaiZe the problem is that what user A considers to be "clean code", user B may consider ugly. If I want to improve my solution, I have to keep on guessing what the scorers want
 
Next, gtk2 for 2.6 MB.
 
Removed elegance clarity requirement
 
I already have 4.5 MB.
 
@veganaiZe Then what requirement(s) is/are left?
 
2:52 PM
> This isn't golf!
> This isn't about speed.
 
@veganaiZe I predict this challenge is not gonna succeed.
 
so what is the criterion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@veganaiZe if you posted it as a popcon/code-golf, the challenge will have a chance to be accepted
but here...
 
@TùxCräftîñg no, it wouldn't
I mean, maybe as a code-golf, but its really hard to define a variable
 
For Links and gtk2.
 
Nobody can solve it. That's all there is to it,
 
2:54 PM
@veganaiZe Believe whatever you want, but I recommend abandoning this challenge and first familierizing yourself with how things work on PPCG.
 
@veganaiZe so i havent solved it?
@NathanMerrill i think here a variable mean bounded/unbounded signed/unisgned integral
 
Now, let's get real apps.
Ping me when you finished discussing the case of veganaiZe's challenge.
 
@TùxCräftîñg an integer as a data type makes sense, but a "variable" (the container) is tough to define
 
@TuxCrafting: I don't see your code.
 
21 mins ago, by TùxCräftîñg
n = input()
print"Original value =", n
print
n += 1 << 16
while (n >> 16) <= (n & 0xFFFF):
        print"Current step =", n >> 16
        n += 1 << 16
print
print"Final value =", (n >> 16) - 1
 
2:57 PM
@veganaiZe Look harder.
 
I mean, in Jelly, what's a variable?
its all just a bunch of monadic/dyadic links
 
I pasted that into python 2.7 interpreter and got nothing (I'm not well versed in py)
 
@veganaiZe you should enter a number
even if nothing is displayed
 
(you should have read the part about commenting explaining your code instead of relying on old habbits and knocking anyone who rocks the boat)
 
@NathanMerrill Jelly doesn't have variables. It has a register (singular) though.
 
2:59 PM
@Dennis I know (was using it as an example for why "variable" is a hard term to objectively define)
 
@Tux... like I'm suppoed to know that? And I'm the one who gets docked for a bad explanation?
 
Sorry. Just woke up.
 
@veganaiZe Well, he didn't exactly post an answer
 

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