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5:05 PM

AFAIR, you need to put them in the header for size/memory reasons.

(but it's been too long since C++)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

hey does tryj.tk work for anyone?

It's down. One second I'll get you a mirror

a296a8f7c5110b2ece73921ddc2abbaaa3c90d10.googledrive.com/host/…

older version I think

but it works

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

thanks :D

@zyabin101 I love how that has Dennis's old avatar

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

it's always geobit's fault... .-.

5:11 PM

Unless it's something to do with js. Then you can split the blame with downgoat.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

\o/ I'm not instantly blamed for js!

Right. Both of you are ;)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

\o.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Correction: I'm not :D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MarsUltor ohai!

5:12 PM

I'm sure I break JS the most, though

I thought just writing in js was considered breaking it?

@Geobits Yes

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

traitor

k, just checking.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ What? That actually happens to me

I don't consider bugfixing as writing JS

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:13 PM

@MarsUltor You spoke for the entirety of JS programmers.

Although 90% of the bugs are from badly-written code/me being stupid

The bad thing about JS is that it is so flexible/allows so much

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Sorry, totally meta moment, but we're arguing/bashing/complaining about the ways symbols are arranged on a screen and how they do stuff. This is pretty trite stuff, guys.

Better than arguing about the meaning of some words printed in millenia-old books ;)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MarsUltor If you can't handle the freedom, you can't handle it.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ The thing is, I think most people don't keep that in mind

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:16 PM

@QPaysTaxes Yes

Then their code breaks and they complain

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MarsUltor That's the problem of the programmer, not of the language.

@QPaysTaxes :(

are you going to be okay?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yes, I know, so that means everyone complaining about JS = they don't know JS well enough

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MarsUltor Ah, yes, true

@QPaysTaxes :( good luck. I'll pray for you if that means anything.

I never said we should.

If "nobody knows the language well enough" is where you're putting the blame, allow me to redirect some of that to "the language is stupid". If it wasn't, people would know it better, considering how widely it's used.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:18 PM

I was really rather joking, but that didn't translate well.

@QPaysTaxes ~~(1) you added irrelevant~~. (2) see the message above that. (3) the internet is used for serious stuff.

XD til

Source? No offense, but that sounds totally made up :P

@QPaysTaxes That's two letters

@QPaysTaxes Have something less serious

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

"Hubert Grimset"

You know what really helps an existential crisis? Wondering how much shelf space to leave for a Terry Pratchett collection.

:|

Of all the comics XD

I got Etymology Man :)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:22 PM

\o/

@QPaysTaxes I knew that when I posted it :P

Uh

No wait I posted https...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

:D

@QPaysTaxes Fantastic

5:27 PM

@Geobits I got this which is related I suppose

@QPaysTaxes I'm... not a big fan... of that one :/

El'endia Starman

Brains aside, I wonder how many poorly-written xkcd.com-parsing scripts will break on this title (or ;;"''{<<[' this mouseover text."

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

)

El'endia Starman

RRRGH!

I'm bothered* less by that than by an unmatched asterisk.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:30 PM

*not really

How hard is it to set up a blog on github.io?

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Fixed

@ArtOfCode Can you make me a contributor? I'll still use pull requests but I want to be able to add labels and shit to issues

@quartata How do you add shit to issues?

:)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Print them out and use them as toilet paper

done

5:35 PM

@ArtOfCode Do you really want me to tell you?

@ArtOfCode kthx

@quartata maybe not

@ArtOfCode Add this character -> 💩

yup

ok prepare for a bomb of issues

heh

5:42 PM

-3

Q: Reverse a 1-dimensional array

Note: This challenge is not the same. Challenge Believe it or not, we haven't got ONE challenge for reversing one-dimensional arrays (although we've got one for n-dimensional ones)! This should operate only on the 1st dimension, not on all dimensions of an array. Rules Standard loopholes are...

code-golf array-manipulation

@NewMainPosts ...

@Dennis do we have a flat upend?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata Fixed

-3 before the bot even picked up on it. Jeez.

@quartata Yes. It's R with dot below.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Can we get to -15? :P

5:52 PM

@Dennis Oh, cool.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ yes we can

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

\o/

Actually, I don't want to downvote this. I feel like 9 is enough for him to get the message.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

This is my third downvote that still remains iirc

@ArtOfCode We should probably make another room for QPixel.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It could have been more interesting if no builtins were allowed.

5:54 PM

Although, as long as we're going to set up a Miaou server anyways....

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ In Python x[::-1] isn't really a built-in

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah, but most other answers use builtins.

@quartata that might have to be your project, given that I have no idea what I'm doing there

El'endia Starman

Were it not for the rigidity of the output format, it'd be $nr$N. in Minkolang.

Martin Büttner

yeah I wouldn't have downvoted if it wasn't for the input format

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

> These are the supposed results

what, you don't know if they're right ? :P

Anyhow, these are the types of answers that are interesting:

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A: Reverse a 1-dimensional array

C, 67 bytes Takes a pointer to the start of the list and a list length. void f(int*a,int s){int t=*a;*a=a[--s];a[s--]=t;if(s>1)f(a+1,s-2);} This is a recursive algorithm that swaps the first element with the last, and then runs the same function on the middle. Ungolfed: void f(int* a, int s...

5:56 PM

@ArtOfCode do you know how to vagrant

@quartata what even is vagrant

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ o_O

Martin Büttner

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ except I doubt it fulfils the spec

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MartinBüttner oh. :|

types I guess is the redeeming quality

@ArtOfCode ok whatever acquire vagrant and do this github.com/Canop/miaou/blob/master/vagrant/vagrant.md

Actually, wait.

Nevermind

Don't do that

I'm stupid

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Hmm, the manual installation process is super complicated though :/

5:59 PM

so this gets me a VM... within a VM?

yeah don't do that

I did wrong link clicking

I do already have the AWS instance

El'endia Starman

It rankles me that the "Epik" user got a net gain in rep because of their two answers.

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This is the manual install (github.com/Canop/miaou/blob/master/installation.md) but it kinda sucks

Martin Büttner

6:00 PM

@El'endiaStarman *Erik

El'endia Starman

@VTCAKAVSMoACE WHAT IS THIS COOLNESS?

Martin Büttner

The same happened on their last challenge with that MarioLANG answer that was upvoted like crazy for showcasing several emoticons...

El'endia Starman

@MartinBüttner The rho looks like a p... :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I always thought it was epik XD

Martin Büttner

his name used to spelt with the Latin alphabet

6:02 PM

@El'endiaStarman geometric-aesthetic.tumblr.com

@quartata such effort

El'endia Starman

@VTCAKAVSMoACE This yours or no?

Maybe we should just stick with IRC

@El'endiaStarman ah hell naw

I just found it.

Martin Büttner

I found a similarly cool collection of geometric GIFs the other day, let me dig that up...

El'endia Starman

6:04 PM

And of course no explanation is provided. I am less enthused now.

github.com/ArtOfCode-/qpixel/issues/18

much better

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-1

A: Reverse a 1-dimensional array

Python 3, 24 bytes print(list(input())::-1)

El'endia Starman

@VTCAKAVSMoACE Isn't that the recently-discovered pentagonal tiling?

Posted BY OP, and gives a syntax error and doesn't even come close to solving the challenge once you fix it.

Martin Büttner

6:07 PM

dribbble.com/beesandbombs and beesandbombs.tumblr.com

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@El'endiaStarman Ye.

Martin Büttner

I hope you guys didn't have any other plans for today

El'endia Starman

@MartinBüttner Oooh I like the triquetra.

Ahhh this trefoil knot!

Martin Büttner

I found this quite mesmerising:

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Someone downvoted every answer on that challenge lmao

this is happening more and more often

Martin Büttner

6:12 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Erik himself in revenge for all the downvotes on the challenge

Yeah, I think it is

His first Python answer only has the one downvote it had from the beginning

@ArtofCode do you know how to IRC

@quartata I know it exists, and very roughly how to use it. If you want me to do integrating with it, not a chance.

Chat might have to be your thing

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Is this a helpful starting layout? My computer has a Patience-style card game installed on it. It takes two packs of cards, removes the Aces, shuffles them, and deals 8 cards. In order to maintain my 100% perfect completion record, I want as helpful a starting layout as possible. Deuces are imm...

El'endia Starman

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@ArtOfCode No I just need you to start an IRC server

I know how to do the interesting parts

6:19 PM

@quartata tell me how and I can do that :)

@El'endiaStarman Wheeeeeeee!

alternatively give me a public key and I'll give you SSH access

@ArtOfCode help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/irc-server.html

FGITW'd x 2!! \\o//

You want ircd-irc2

Actually

Oops that doesn't come with nickserv or chanserv

Try this IRC server help.ubuntu.com/community/Dancer-IRCD

6:22 PM

@QPaysTaxes I do Python.

So nope.

Oooh, I like this one:

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

o-O

lolwtf someone downvoted each answer on the reverse array challange

seriously he's just salty now XD

^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

-12

Q: Reverse a 1-dimensional array

Note: This challenge is not the same. Challenge Believe it or not, we haven't got ONE challenge for reversing one-dimensional arrays (although we've got one for n-dimensional ones)! This should operate only on the 1st dimension, not on all dimensions of an array. Rules Standard loopholes are...

code-golf array-manipulation

@quartata Yeah, we already have issues with that. The file it wants me to edit doesn't exist.

6:27 PM

I always love it when a post starts with some form of "This is not a duplicate, I promise!"

Well, to be fair, it isn't a duplicate ... it's just not very good.

I know, it's just one of those red flags that immediately catch my eye and make me look closer for problems.

In fact:

No candidate version found for dancer-ircd
No candidate version found for dancer-services
No candidate version found for dancer-ircd
No candidate version found for dancer-services

Guess it's dancing all by itself, then.

we need an OS where the entire environment is virtualized

6:30 PM

Doesn't Java have something like that?

oh, its a thing

Operating-system-level virtualization

Operating-system-level virtualization is a server virtualization method in which the kernel of an operating system allows the existence of multiple isolated user-space instances, instead of just one. Such instances, which are sometimes called containers, software containers, virtualization engines (VEs) or jails, may look and feel like a real server from the point of view of its owners and users. On Unix-like operating systems, this technology can be seen as an advanced implementation of the standard chroot mechanism. In addition to isolation mechanisms, the kernel often provides resource-management...

Martin Büttner

@Geobits Better than his first challenge which said "I know this is a duplicate, but I wanted to have my own post." (I'm not paraphrasing.)

Oh. Well then, I guess it's a step in the right direction.

user207712

@MartinBüttner who's

Martin Büttner

Erik's

yes

user207712

6:31 PM

Who's Erik?

Martin Büttner

the guy who just posted the challenge that's at -13

El'endia Starman

eleveninja'd

user207712

@MartinBüttner I feel sorry for Erik. My first post was -12 :(

user207712

@MartinBüttner But I learnt from my mistakes :P

Martin Büttner

Good point, gonna go reverse my upvote.

user207712

6:34 PM

@QPaysTaxes You do realise my very next question was +14?

My first question is at +19, but still has no good answer after two years :(

user207712

@QPaysTaxes And then my account was nuked :'(

My second is in the 50s though :)

Martin Büttner

@Geobits Same thing at +16.

user207712

@Geobits still have a lot to learn ;)

6:37 PM

@MartinBüttner Oh, but the one answer on mine isn't compilable at all. Or wasn't last I tried anyway :/

Martin Büttner

you win

mine is in an interpreted language :P

hmmm...it'd be really cool if there was some sort of progression system here

Martin Büttner

like, reputation?

badges?

privileges?

yeah, that would be cool

no, like a "Finish these X challenges"

Martin Büttner

@QPaysTaxes that's a thing

@NathanMerrill so tag badges then :P

user207712

6:39 PM

@MartinBüttner can you delete this: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/44680/…

user207712

@MartinBüttner It's from my nuked account

@MartinBüttner I'm thinking something similar to project euler

user207712

Oh yes please can you do that @MartinBüttner

My first challenge was a +20, and had several answers. #justsayin

so, we assign numbers to quality challenges, and its more of a "completionist" sort of challenge

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:40 PM

@Solver Ohhh that's why it was gone

Martin Büttner

@NathanMerrill (I'm just messing with you, some sort of gamification specifically tailored to PPCG would certainly be fun, but I'm not seeing it happening any time soon)

user207712

And I'll give you a list for re-association

Yeah, mine was +19 with 12 good answers. ;)

user207712

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ what was gone?

@MartinBüttner you're fine :)

6:40 PM

I also left it in the sandbox for ~2 weeks.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TimmyD My first challenge was +6/-5 and received 2 answers and was closed iirc

@Solver the user :P

Martin Büttner

@QPaysTaxes I don't think I can do that.

@ArtOfCode All right. Try the regular irc2-ircd then

user207712

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ oic

I'll probably implement NickServ myself so it uses your QPixel account

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:41 PM

@QPaysTaxes I can top that. I didn't know about it for my first seven :P

user207712

@MartinBüttner can you delete it then?

@TimmyD My first challenge was +24 but it sucks I'm so ashamed of it

user207712

BTW @MartinBüttner is it acceptable to repost my old questions if you delete them?

@MartinBüttner Would it be a bad thing if we have the community choose X challenges, and then we actually edit the challenges to say "Challenge Y of X" with a link to the meta page that lists all of them

user207712

@quartata Yeah, my first challenge was -13! Thank goodness I had the association bonus.

Martin Büttner

6:42 PM

@Solver That doesn't seem fair to the answerers.

user207712

@MartinBüttner true.

call it "Tour of PPCG" or something

user207712

@MartinBüttner but you can still delete my answer!

El'endia Starman

My first challenge was and still is +8. Lowest scoring challenge, in fact. :D

user207712

oh hai @El'endiaStarman

Martin Büttner

6:43 PM

@NathanMerrill I'm not sure I'd link back to the tour, because you'd have to update the challenges every time you change the tour, but I'd be up for creating a tour and linking to some decent and important challenges from meta.

user207712

My messages are making a pattern!

@MartinBüttner I'm not a huge fan of updating the tour. We could create additional tours later on, but it would be somewhat permanent (if I had my way)

user207712

:(

the advantage of linking from the challenge itself is visibility to people that don't frequent the meta

@quartata Nah, that's not a bad challenge.

6:45 PM

especially because meta posts get lost if they aren't frequently edited

@TimmyD It's do x without y and it's really just a uniqueness test

please

user207712

@NathanMerrill We could create themed tours

it's trash

@quartata I didn't say it was a good challenge, I just said it wasn't a bad challenge. ;-)

definitely not deserving of +24

6:47 PM

People like palindrome source code, though.

El'endia Starman

@QPaysTaxes +3 for the Portal references. :P

@MartinBüttner I'm making a meta post about it. Do you think I should make a "Yes/No" meta post, or a "Yes/No, and if so, how?" post

Martin Büttner

the latter please

Isn't that kinda duplicating the "Best of" awards?

"Best of" specifically targets the past year, and selects 1 question per category. I'm imagining a bunch of challenges getting nominated, and then upvoted. I'd also love it if there was some sort of reward we could give to them at the end, but I'm not sure if that's feasible

6:57 PM

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions?sort=votes

@QPaysTaxes that's not a bad idea, but it places the bounty givers in charge I believe

Martin Büttner

this reminds me... @Doorknob are there still some remote plans for a blog or medium publication?

votes indicate popularity, not quality

@ArtOfCode How do I add a site setting?

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