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4:05 PM
By the way, if anybody wants to submit their reputation count as a testcase, please comment on the challenge.
 
OK, since there's literally no documentation for using Pepper and C I guess I'll just suck it up and use C++ and libperl++ :/
 
The C API is very... strange
 
@quartata You've changed your profile picture.
 
yes
 
4:12 PM
According to this gist, I'll lose the create tags privilege.
 
@Dennis I considered this
 
@wizzwizz4 Sleepy spiky eared Pichu. You like it, eh?
 
@Typogoat \o/
 
@Dennis couldn't you of just eleven'd it ? :P
Hello @Maltysen
 
I guess. Seemed a bit to eleveny...
 
4:17 PM
you changed your name! \o/
 
@Dennis Are you aware of any consensus on how to store code for e.g. KOTH challenges?
E.g. the controller code?
Such that it is available for the future
 
I know nothing about KotH, sorry.
 
Well it does not necessarily have to be KOTH, it can be any challenge that provides some code as framework?
 
@zyabin101 wait trusted user is 20k?
 
Well I'm gonna ask on meta then.
 
4:19 PM
@zyabin101 You changed yours too! And I didn't know that spiky-eared Pichus existed anymore.
 
@zyabin101 damn, 20K?!?!
 
You can work out how much you'll need on my challenge.
 
@Maltysen Yup. :P
 
Or you could help other people work it out by creating a solution.
 
4:20 PM
Does this look ready to post?:
1
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

DowngoatParse a Formal Grammar Given a type-2 formal grammar, and a string, parse the string using the formal grammar and output the matches for the non-terminals. Examples First line is string, following lines are grammar, last line is output, examples are separated by --- 123 n -> any of 0 1 ...

 
@Typogoat are you outsourcing to PPCG? ಠ_ಠ
 
I prefer Downgoat to Typogoat to be honest.
 
@Maltysen no, I already wrote my grammar parser
proof:
 
@Typogoat k
 
@Dennis Strangely the suggestions for pastebin are heavily downvoted while the one for gists is on top.
 
4:23 PM
@flawr Because Gists is better.
 
@wizzwizz4 Why should gists be better?
You have to register, and there is the risk of someone deleting his stuff at any time.
 
@flawr Is GitHub something we all use, rely on and (some of us) pay for?
Is it likely to disappear overnight?
Does it say that it can (disappear overnight) in it's T&Cs?
Does it have better UX and a better UI?
 
@wizzwizz4 No
 
Does it have revision history?
 
@wizzwizz4 Perhpas, what about pastebin? It's been here even longer IIRC.
 
4:29 PM
@wizzwizz4 why is revision history helpful?
 
@wizzwizz4 It doesn't even let you organize your gists.
 
@Typogoat Why is it helpful on SE?
 
@flawr Pastebin doesn't preserve whitespace. They're dead to me.
 
@wizzwizz4 but for test cases they are redundant
 
@Dennis The biggest and best single argument on this topic.
Actually, you can't prove that.
There may be, or may have already been, a use for that.
 
4:30 PM
Well anyway, my point is that I think in the philosophy of SE the q/a's here should not rely on external sources but rather should be fully self cointained.
 
^
I got 10 rep :D
 
@flawr In which case we should increase our post size limit to the max.
 
@wizzwizz4 But then again we have huge posts cluttered with e.g. koth-controller code that nobody wants to read.
 
@flawr Which is safely hidden in a hidden snippet for those that don't.
Anyway, whatever happened to js and html minimisation?
We do it, we golf it all.
 
@wizzwizz4 I think it is not the way to go to abuse snippets for hiding code.
 
4:34 PM
@wizzwizz4 snippets also are un-hidden on mobile
 
@flawr Sorry, I forgot that KOTH-controllers weren't always written in JavaScript.
@Typogoat Shock, followed by horror.
 
Random idea: someone I know had a birthday a couple days ago, which led to a bunch of people posting on her Facebook timeline. My theory is that some people post birthday messages more than others, but when they do, they post birthday messages to their closest friends. This can serve as an additional metric for the strength/direction of a friendship.
 
I'm bored, have nothing to do :|
 
If people X and Y are facebook friends, and they post the same number of birthday messages over the course of the year, but X posts to Y but Y doesn't post to X, then we know that it's a "more directional" friendship of X to Y.
 
@PhiNotPi You suggesting using the Facebook API to analyze this effect?
 
4:39 PM
@wizzwizz4 I think you have a typo in your testcase about yourself
it says 2250 instead of 250
 
@LegionMammal978 That would be neat.
 
@PhiNotPi Perhaps some people do not like using facebook for birthday messages, but rather show up in person?=)
 
I don't have any experience with the facebook API.
 
Let me look at it
 
@flawr I suppose that's also possible.
 
4:40 PM
@wizzwizz4 oh nvm, that's a bug with my code, I misunderstood the question
 
@StackExchange ಠ_ಠ for changing <kbd>
 
@Typogoat What did they change?
 
@flawr <kbd>
 
<kbd>Ctrl</kbd>... :-(
 
@Typogoat O really? But what exactly changed?
 
4:44 PM
@flawr oh, the CSS
 
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Q: Where to store framework code for challenges?

flawrSome challenges are provided with some kind of framework in which the submissions should be ran in, e.g. king-of-the-hill challenges. I wrote the catch the cat challenge, which needs multiple files for the controller. These are currently stored as a gist. Recently I wanted to delete my github a...

 
@flawr why would you delete your github account D:
 
@PhiNotPi Lol, had to create a Facebook account just to look at it
 
@Typogoat Because it is quite inconvenient to use if you do not understand git.
 
@flawr but it doesn't hurt to have a github accoutn even if you don't use it
 
4:47 PM
Dang
It also needs my phone number
Guess I'm not looking at it, then
 
@LegionMammal978 convert your name from base 36 and use that as your phone number
 
@LegionMammal978 Do not create a Facebook account if you value your privacy.
@Typogoat It texts your number for verification.
 
oh
 
@Typogoat No, the number is to send a verification code
What @wizzwizz4 said
 
@Typogoat But there is no point in keeping it either.
 
4:49 PM
Facebook: Who needs privacy when you can give us your SSN?
 
They want your details so that they can "provide a more immersive experience". We all know what that means.
 
@flawr there is, so your gists stay
 
IDK, I'll look into getting a burner phone
K, found one
 
Oh hey, turns out plain ol' libperl works fine with C++
 
@Typogoat Well this is exactly the problem. I think there should be a way to preserve this challenges without depending on a single user.
 
4:51 PM
@LegionMammal978 Ok, but I would recommend against putting in any real data (e.g. name, IP, etc.)
 
@flawr use pastebin?
 
@wizzwizz4 I know, I won't
 
or ask SE to icnrease post limit
 
@LegionMammal978 Use Tor.
 
@Typogoat That seems to be frowned upon.
 
4:52 PM
I know
 
@flawr But why?
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@LegionMammal978 I don't think I'm actually going to be able to follow through with this idea.
 
> There was an error verifying your contact information: The phone number you're trying to verify was recently used to verify a different account. Please try a different number.
:(
Well, we have proof
Maybe write a scraper for Facebook?
That's possible
 
@LegionMammal978 Ask the downvoters=)
 
4:58 PM
Also, a valid reason for leaving Facebook:
> I spend too much time using Facebook.
As if it was run by human beings :p
 
Well, here goes nothing.
2
A: Reverse Greek Conversion Golf

DennisJulia, 82 70 bytes x->10.^((t=findin([1:5;76;6:16;72;17;19:25;80]+912,x)-1)÷9)⋅(t%9+1) Try it online!

 
> Facebook is on Facebook. To connect with Facebook, sign up for Facebook today.
 
@Typogoat I approve of your name change.
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ :D
 
@PhiNotPi Could you give me to sample Facebook accounts for testing?
 
5:00 PM
@Dennis Note the last three words.
 
Wait, no I said that wrong. I meant:
@Typogoat I apropve of yuro naemcang
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ tank yuo :P
 
In the developer console:
"



 .d8888b.  888                       888
d88P  Y88b 888                       888
Y88b.      888                       888    This is a browser feature intended for
 "Y888b.   888888  .d88b.  88888b.   888    developers. If someone told you to copy-paste
    "Y88b. 888    d88""88b 888 "88b  888    something here to enable a Facebook feature
      "888 888    888  888 888  888  Y8P    or "hack" someone's account, it is a
Y88b  d88P Y88b.  Y88..88P 888 d88P         scam and will give them access to your
 
@LegionMammal978 D: my console doesn't display ascii art
 
@Typogoat That's when viewing the console on a Facebook page
 
5:06 PM
I know
 
that's a genius scam
of course, bookmarklets exist
 
The number of sources is scary:
 
... Yeah.
 
@wizzwizz4 I actually fixed it this time
plz upvote again
 
-1 for upvote begging.
 
5:16 PM
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ he had upvoted me, but then retracted it after he saw that it didn't work. it works again
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Please don't -1.
 
Fine, <C-x> Is that better?
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ ... Undo?
 
No, It was a vim joke.
<C-x> == -1.
Wow, your last edit on that post makes me sad. I need 15k rep. o_0
 
@Maltysen Actually, your answer doesn't work for `1`.
The question specs specifically stated that answers should. You still have my +1, but please fix it. :-)
 
5:21 PM
k
@wizzwizz4 oh that's an easy fix
only 2 more bytes
 
@LegionMammal978 o_o
 
back to 77
 
@PhiNotPi thanks! :D
 
@wizzwizz4 why isn't new user 0
 
@Maltysen Because new users are 1. I didn't make the system.
 
5:26 PM
@wizzwizz4 no, I meant shouldn't they need 0 rep
cuz they have no privs
and that doesn't change
they have 1 and they need 1, 1-1 = 0
oh, good, I was worried that my answer was still wrong
 
There is nothing wrong with my question. Nothing wrong at all. Look away, nothing to see here...
 
5:49 PM
That sounds like being replicated to me.
 
Cheddar:PIT_REPL> a := "Hello, World!"
Cheddar:PIT_REPL> print a
"Hello, World!"
2
\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
 
@QPaysTaxes niec spelign
pn :P
 
@Typogoat 2/10 "Hello, World!" is spelled correctly
 
That's a bug in cheddar.
 
5:56 PM
@Maltysen fixed:
Cheddar:PIT_REPL> srtign := "Halo, Wulrd!"
Cheddar:PIT_REPL> print srtign
"Halo, Wulrd!"
please give javascript versdion and wil limplement
I should of come up with a better acronym, rather than "PIT" now that I think about it :/
 
@Typogoat what does it stand for?
 
@Maltysen property interface test
 
is that downgoat?
 
no, is't tyopgaot
 
were you downgoat?
 
6:05 PM
yaeh
 
@Typogoat Changing your name is not a valid excuse to make even more typos.
 
@QPaysTaxes D:
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ with a name change I can fully embrace the nature of my hooves to make typos without being judged
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ at least "typogoat" is spelled correctly
 
@Maltysen oh shjt
 
6:09 PM
@Typogoat are you gonna change it ಠ________________ಠ
 
yaeh
 
Seriously, I prefer Downgoat.
 
Im' stil Dwongaot on PPPCG
1 hour ago, by Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ
Wait, no I said that wrong. I meant:
@Typogoat I apropve of yuro naemcang
@mod can my profile be refreshed?
 
Wow, a different wild goat appeared!
 
6:12 PM
avatar isn't updated for me
\o/
 
@wizzwizz4 O_o
 
6:16 PM
Has anyone here put there own language on Tryitonline? How difficult is it? Does it make it harder to add changes to the language?
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Ask the lord of tryitonline.
 
@Dennis ^^^^^^
@QPaysTaxes wat
 
6:20 PM
seriously is actually that bad?
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ If you need to change something, you just ping me here and I pull the changes. I'm currently experimenting with sandboxing, so that should be automatic soon.
 
@Dennis sandboxing = CI?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ hahaha
 
:D YOU'RE BACK! :D :D :D
 
@Dennis Oh, okay. How much support is there for changing around how individual languages work?
 
This time, he agrees out of an array.
 
I'm thinking about eventually putting V up there, but it works differently than a lot of languages do, most notably with having a "Starting buffer", e.g. it takes input via how the original text is laid out.
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Not sure what you mean. Whatever you change will be changed.
 
> 
That's your juic right there
 
@Dennis I mean that ^^^
 
6:23 PM
@Optimizer this is my juic:
>[7, [-1, 7], 1, 1.0, 3.0, 36.8019662871682, 'I agree', 0]
[]
[0]
0
4.12310562562
0
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Interpreters are run on the server side. Whatever the interpreter does, TIO just shows the results.
 
@QPaysTaxes ._____________.
 
[]
[0]
[7, -1, 7, 1, 1.0, 3.0, 36.8019662871682, 'I agree', 0]
2
0
 
@zyabin101 :D
@Mego +1
 
@Dennis V takes "input" by operating on files that have the input already entered into them. (Among other ways)
Is that doable to allow a user to enter some text into a file then run the interpreter on that file?
 
6:26 PM
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ STDIN is saved in a file called input.
 
What do you see instead of the ó on the Try it online! main page?
I see russian letters.
 
I see the regular letter.
 
@zyabin101 I see óu
 
6:28 PM
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ same
 
@zyabin101 That should be fixed.
 
@Dennis Oh, okay, that would actually work really well. Although, I suppose that means I couldn't make it read a file and STDIN, which I was planning on doing, but haven't gotten around to yet.
Not a huge deal though.
Files are more convenient anyway.
 
@Dennis what do you use to host TIO?
 
Gotta go. We'll talk later.
 
6:30 PM
@zyabin101 [] is truthy in JS
 
Seriously doesn't like their home online. ._.
He should.
Either way, he doesn't. ._.
 
Uhh, not as awesome as the other ones.
 
6:36 PM
Latency won't make me go back to Eclipse, don't tempt me
 
Wow. I tried using atom for a while, but in the end I couldn't handle how slow it was.
 
@Fatalize from Atom?
 
@Fatalize But latency would make you make your switch to Vim, wouldn't it? :-)
 
Although, my computer wasn't great either. It's nice to see Gvim at the top!
 
6:37 PM
you know right that Eclipse is not really great in that chart
 
@Optimizer Switched to IntelliJ for Java, not going back to Eclipse
 
What about notepad? :D
 
Do you people notice that IntelliJ is second in the list?
 
it appears 2 times
which is confusing
 
its a mode.
on linux, it kicks vim's butt
 
6:39 PM
it kicks ss's pointer?
 
a pity that there's not Visual Studio on that list
 
blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2015/08/experimental-zero-latency-typing-in-intellij-ide‌​a-15-eap/
 
Well, sure but when vim is already that fast, I don't think it really matters at all.
 
but sure, you are probably saying only because you aren't able to exit vim yet.
 
6:41 PM
@Optimizer Me? Are you saying I don't know how to exit vim?
 
well, the jokes over now.
 
Everyone knows how to reboot a computer
 
hahahaha
 
<esc><C-q><C-q><CR> halp
 
that's emacs
 
6:42 PM
<C-x> <C-c> <esc> <CR> <C-q> Nothing works!
 
vim made you quite emacs
 
I've actually never really used emacs. I tried it once for like 5 minutes, but didn't really grok it. Obviously, I wasn't trying super hard if I gave up after only 5 minutes.
 
109 bytes, 12 languages!
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Ctrl+C : w q Enter
 
I'm coming for you, SP! XD
 
6:45 PM
Does that work?
 
@wizzwizz4 why do you use IE ಠ_ಠ
 
I hope it's because you have to.
 
@zyabin101 No. That brings up Type :quit<Enter> to exit Vim
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Then it looks you're in normal mode.
: w q Enter
Does it work?
 
I do know how to exit vim. I was joking.
 
6:47 PM
<esc>:q!
and open intelliJ
 
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad!
 
oh btw, the comparison is already flawed coz vim, sublime, notepad etc are simply editors while IntelliJ, Eclipse, Atom are full blown IDEs
having said that, Atom was slow just because of Chrome hogging up all the memory (on a 4gb machine)
user image
6
 
SFGITW'd /o\
 
S?
anyone from Europe/Britain here? (having access to itv channel)
 
VTC is
@Optimizer second
 
6:53 PM
@Optimizer I'm from Russia.
 
I could figure that from your name.
 
Language idea: A variant of Seriously with a deadly twist: The program is put in “...» and run in Jelly. The result, with a space prepended, is run in Cinnamon Gum, from where the output is finally run in Seriously.
 
wanted to know if Britain's Got Talent aired tonight..
 
Twice as hard to use as Perl :P
Yup, this program fails to output anything.
 

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