The Nineteenth Byte - 2016-04-14 (page 5 of 8)

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10:03 AM

@Katenkyo (x==3 and 1or 0) -> x==3 and 1or 0

@Katenkyo #c>i and-1or i-1

hum, fucked up somewhere, can't execute anymore

where is your code?

@KennyLau need to put spaces anyway, and parens allow me to control this ternary, else, it may fucked up

i just tested it

the opening parenthesis doesn't need a space

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Q: Can I set a challenge using Box-256?

I've just stumbled upon http://box-256.com/ which used a bastardised form of assembly. This isn't an actual languge per-se (depending on what your definition is) so are we allowed to create challenges based on this "on-line game" seeing as it is a programming game? Although I wouldn't call it a...

discussion asking-questions rules

LegionMammal978

10:09 AM

249000000 soups processed...
249010000 soups processed...
249020000 soups processed...
249030000 soups processed...

@KennyLau orx==3 wouldn't be a really good instructions ^^

LegionMammal978

(That's 249 030 000)

@KennyLau updated my post, missing some #m etc

alright

LegionMammal978

SPOILER ALERT: In the new Star Wars, things get killed!

10:10 AM

@Katenkyo m[i] ...

@LegionMammal978 You made a GoL emergence searching program?

LegionMammal978

@zyabin101 No, using apgsearch

@KennyLau ?

LegionMammal978

See catagolue.appspot.com/home

@LegionMammal978 Looks like apgnano.

10:12 AM

@Katenkyo m[i] -> k

LegionMammal978

@zyabin101 No, apgmera

@LegionMammal978 What is your username?

LegionMammal978

You should hear the CPU fan right now ;)

@zyabin101 Same as it is here

Just started though

Yay, just uploaded 250 000 000 soups

See catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C1/…

@KennyLau Yeah, should be possible, just fixing all the bugs for the moment

looks like it doesn't like the inlining of the first y

i see

10:22 AM

Oh, and still need it

h=(j-2)%#m-1 should be h=(j-2)%#m[1]-1

i see

10:34 AM

@Katenkyo why not replace m[i]?

@KennyLau I did, just updated the golfed code 2 mins ago :)

oh, i was looking at the ungolfed code

@KennyLau Didn't have time to update it yet

I will eat, then update the whole thing

Thanks again!

welcome

10:52 AM

why is this room named the 19th byte?

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A: Let's think of a creative name for our chatroom

Well, the traditional generic name for the country club bar is "the nineteenth hole", which suggests The Nineteenth Byte or something like that.

I see

11:15 AM

@zyabin101 help

Ehrmegehrd its true!

That name is perfect; it is exactly 19 bytes in size — Justin Feb 15 '14 at 19:32

11:52 AM

@KennyLau updated the ungolfed code

I hacked up something for zyabinVI! \o/

Should I create a team for the Deskcalc project?

@zyabin101 fail ping?

@Katenkyo Nope, just a separate question.

@zyabin101 depends on how much operations you want to include

@Katenkyo Use the JS REPL

12:03 PM

Really eat pizza lots

the statement is backwards

@MarsUltor I mean, how far would you take your calc? solving integrals etc? I fnot, I think it can be done by yourself without lots of trouble

@Quill lots pizza eat Really?

@Katenkyo But JS REPL is no trouble at all

otherwise, I'd use the Cheddar REPL

@Downgoat ^ have a mention

@Quill ?

@MarsUltor Oh, just saw the write it in any programming language

12:06 PM

@MarsUltor I'm the type of person to not let compliments slide without people knowing about them

> Write a desk calculator in any programming language.

For example, if he's not online and I still call @Alex a good mod, I ping him so the compliment still gets to the person ;)

@Katenkyo The project by itself is just inputting a number and the basic arithmetic and = and q operations.

But people can make extensions inside their own forks.

^^^^ I helped Downgoat a bit on Cheddar, not sure if that means I've written one

But I agree Downgoat's work in Cheddar is impressive - the parser system is surprisingly easy to use/extend, and it already has (an 100% operator) REPL

@zyabin101 You forgot ^ => **

@MarsUltor I'll write it in a file EXTENSIONS.md.

12:11 PM

@zyabin101 and stuff in JS' Object.getOwnPropertyNames(Math)

e.g. sqrt, cbrt etc

@zyabin101 BTW, you have - and / backwards

i.e. wrong order

@QPaysTaxes efficient work???

@MarsUltor Object.keys too

@Quill Math isn't a dictionary 0/10

chicken soup 4/10

Okay, stop overloading Deskcalc right in the source. The current README.md is definitive. I can only write your suggestions in EXTENSIONS.md.

That should be good for now.

@zyabin101 But you need to fix - and /

12:15 PM

@QPaysTaxes Sorry for not responding. I've been trying to catch up on assignments

I don't know Ruby's Regexp well enough to say and it looks like you might have your answer

are we allowed to swear here?

re: swearing that happens here

@Lembik Nope.

@QPaysTaxes good use of damn

Can I suggest we don't swear here.. it has some advantages

basically we don't want to make life difficult for 12 year olds who like to code

do we?

@Lembik 12 year olds?

@MarsUltor they do exist and they do write code :)

do you doubt this?

12:22 PM

@Lembik None here

how on earth would you know?

the youngest is EasterlyIrk, he's 13

see above

@Lembik ?

how on earth would you know?

12:23 PM

I don't think you're allowed to create an SE account until you're 13

No

You're allowed apparently

@Sherlock9 how on Earth could they know?

it's like facebook

Only with your parents' consent

Like Minibits

@MarsUltor how exactly is that enforced?

It isn't

12:24 PM

right.. it's just political nonsense. I think we can ignore it

But you can tell everyone here is almost certainly 12 or older

12 == 12 :)

bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13129150

*13 or older

and many other similar articles

But

12:25 PM

in any case.. it's my vote fwiw

there's been a few cases where users have been removed for being underage IIRC

But the most common age for people here is 15

that's surprising

@Lembik ?

I saw one a little while ago where someone posted on gamedev and a few other sites saying something like "im 12, how do I make de game"

12:26 PM

can I ask again.. how on Earth could you know?

@Quill ah.. not so smart :)

I think people scapegoated the age thing to the low quality

but back to the topic.. I think not swearing here has more advantages than disadvantages

@Lembik Nobody knows for sure.

but the posts were removed at least

@MarsUltor right.. well you can do an external survey about facebook but i won't know if anyone has done one about *.SE

12:27 PM

But, anyone that can pass as 13 or older is mature enough, and it shouldn't be a problem

@MarsUltor negative

@Lembik ?

:)

I just disagreed

Well, I seriously doubt many under 12 come to SE at all

Lembik, I think the consensus opinion is, until the underaged person is a problem (at which point, when we will deal with them because they are a problem, not because they are underaged) until then, who cares?

12:29 PM

@Sherlock9 I think you have misunderstood me

I don't want to stop underage people using *.SE

I want to stop the swearing on chat

@QPaysTaxes thanks! At last someone asked the relevant question

I think it potentially causing problems for us

complaints from parents/the media

That's reddit

also I personally don't think a swearing filled room it's a great atmosphere for a 12 year old

I know.

is your point that other people do worse?

Vulgarity is an unattractive quality of chat rooms in most cases

12:31 PM

But, everyone in SE is sensible enough to swear in moderation at most.

@MarsUltor you would think, but the chat flags really disagree

I am not the boss here :) I just expressed my view

Hey there @Doorknob

Anyone that isn't sensible enough is flagged/banned robably

if the majority disagree then I will not win :)

@QPaysTaxes I am not sure I want to be making parenting decisions for children I don't know

12:33 PM

then don't make them? the leave button is right up in the corner

@Quill ?

that was a non sequitor wasn't it?

You don't need to make decisions for others, if they act up, we have moderators and CMs and willing 10k users to step in and resolve the issue

I said I didn't want to decide for other children that they will not be harmed by swearing and you said "then leave"?

@QPaysTaxes thanks :)

@Lembik Well, it's probably worse that the 12-year-olds are here when they shouldn't be able to sign up

@MarsUltor you could be right

maybe it is me but I always thought these minimum age restrictions were transparent nonsense designed to keep the idiot media happy :)

ooh.. that sounds american.. googling

12:36 PM

@QPaysTaxes In Australia, it's over around 9

it was a joke

@MarsUltor github.com/zyabinVI/deskcalc/commit/…

later

@QPaysTaxes Use this

amazing that this nonsense "tell us if you are over 12" rule complies with coppa!

coppa.org/coppa.htm

12:37 PM

@zyabin101 ??

later

@MarsUltor Yup, - and / are intended to be the backwards order. >:D

@QPaysTaxes because it's a joke! It in no sense prevents anything

Evil coder is evil. >:DDD

@QPaysTaxes I would count it as no effort and empirically one can see by the percentage of people of people under 13 who use facebook

byee

12:39 PM

o/

@Lembik Facebook is slightly different to SE

@MarsUltor true

In SE, you either contribute (where it's easy to see if someone's immature) or don't participate (where you don't even know they exist).

I was on facebook for a little while earlier, it shocked me for the umpteenth time how crappy it is

@Quill crappy?

12:41 PM

yeah, people have no self-moderation on there; there's no foresight or thought to the consequence of their actions. delusional thoughts of safety in their virtual sandbox

SE is better, there's a sense of professionalism, which thankfully isn't exclusive to fun

:29006560 wat

well, this is interesting.

:29006598 stop deleting stuff

Settle your whatever somewhere else.

has no idea what's going on

12:59 PM

@MarsUltor I decided to fully delete the repository deskcalc.

Thanks.

@zyabin101 ???

@MarsUltor Because I did a very large error making the project, I decided to delete the repository.

@zyabin101 what error?

Hum, I just discovered a thing I didn't know about lua

@MarsUltor You wanted to make an even larger error, by making - and / the forward order.

1:02 PM

@zyabin101 how is that an error?

function f()foo=123 end f() print(foo) will actually print 123

@MarsUltor - and / are intended to be the backward order.

@zyabin101 Then it was working perfectly fine

@zyabin101 as in 3 6 - => 3?

@MarsUltor Yup.

user image

\o/

1:04 PM

Makes more sense now that I remember it was postfix

@mınxomaτ can you copy-paste that?

*the command

Which one?

really needs the command-counting command

@mınxomaτ insider build?

Yes. Bash works fine, but only in root mode. The command for the 10 most used commands is history | awk 'BEGIN {FS="[ \t]+|\\|"} {print $3}' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr | head

Now I actually don't know what to do for zyabinVI ;_;

Tab-completion is very flaky though.

1:10 PM

user image

TIL I use python a lot

user image

oh boy

Maybe I should take a look at what bash snippets do before I blindly paste them into my Terminal

meanwhile @mınxomaτ is ssh'd into my machine

@Quill And that's how you copy/paste a forkbomb ^^

> 474 q

What is q?

q_q

@zyabin101 Well, I have a Deadfish implementation in Python.

Should I add it to zyabinVI?

1:33 PM

P.S. if you want to scare the people at code golf with the complexity of the problem, link them to this paper. — J. M. ♦ Apr 5 at 12:07

Martin Büttner

which reminds me, I still haven't submitted that bug report...

@MartinBüttner :)

@Quill but they should be afraid of Ton Hospel!

in Mathematics, 5 mins ago, by Anush

but the codegolf code is frankly amazing :)

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whose code is infinitely better than theirs

that's a seriously cool question

1:35 PM

@Quill mine? If so.. thanks!

but the answer is cooler than the question

infinitely cooler :)

@QPaysTaxes o/

@MarsUltor What is q?

@QPaysTaxes you can smell your name through TCP/IP

Some people on PPCG truely do some wonderful piece of code

@Quill what is the command tool q?

MacBook-Air:~ Quill$ q
-bash: q: command not found

1:47 PM

for me, "history" only lists 16 commands

@aditsu you're not using your shell enough :p

there's a number at the beginning of each line, they go from 992 to 1009

that's the number of use...

forget what I said Oo

~/.histfile has 1015 lines (and that's probably because of a limit I set)

HISTFILE=~/.histfile
HISTSIZE=1000
SAVEHIST=1000

ah, "history 0" is the way

182 youtube-dl
 98 cd
 77 hg
 48 java
 47 wget
 39 ls
 38 locate
 32 cat
 30 rsync
 26 convert

You download videos from YouTube? o_O

1:59 PM

from various sites, not so often youtube

cc.com is probably the top one

cc.com?

Martin Büttner

cc.com/bobreaker

6

It has c shouted four times, and one in combobreaker.

c-c-c-c.com/bobreaker

Martin Büttner

I'm sure they've got a suitable subdomain set up...

Also, cc.com is squatted.

Whois returned:

Registry Domain ID: 1806509_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.markmonitor.com
Registrar URL: markmonitor.com

y'know, revision history

c-c-c-c.com is registered, too.

Whois returned:

Registrar URL: wildwestdomains.com
Registrant Name: Russ Wilson

@aditsu Seriously, what is cc.com?

2:15 PM

@zyabin101 you could just browse it, you know?

@aditsu Comedy Central?

"Yup."---aditsu

yep

bbl

bbl?

Martin Büttner

@Doorknob did you have a go at histocrat's latest Ruby cop?

Mono runs in Windows Bash. Which means Mono devs can now have both the windows and Debian build of Mono running at the same time.

2:34 PM

@mınxomaτ it's strange that ./script.exe doesn't work

Not really. binfmt is somewhat unpredictable and usually only works in Ubuntu, so it's not a "standard" Mono feature.

You can do a dummy mkbundle without any deps to make a native image.

(I won't because i don't use mono, but I take notes :))

2:53 PM

Schroedinbug: A bug that should never have allowed it to work in the first place. When you try out the code, the bug promptly shows up, and the software fails

Hmm. I thought a Schroedinbug was an issue that you weren't sure even was a bug (until you looked into it of course).

well, if the bug should have prevented it from working in the first place, then you aren't sure if it is a bug (when you first hear about it)

Sometimes, there's bug that turns into feature in the end, that should be the definition of Schroedinbug

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