The Nineteenth Byte

Cyoce

7:00 PM

@mınxomaτ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ಠ_ಠ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

are there any more of those

mınxomaτ

@Cyoce disapprovallook.com

Thomas Kwa

@AlexA. I'm looking

TheDoctor

@quartata idk, was hoping for help

Alex A.

@ThomasKwa ありがとう！

TheDoctor

someone posted it to reddit but they don't know either

quartata

7:01 PM

@TheDoctor I'm too scared to click on it :P

Is it that weird puzzle thing again?

Alex A.

How does become real Python master very fastly? code-challenge tips

Cyoce

how does become real English master

Thomas Kwa

there's this @Alex

Alex A.

(For real, what are some good resources for getting really good at Python really quickly?)

@ThomasKwa Hm. Not what I was thinking of. The R solution to VTC's recent challenge is something I know I've written here before for an identical challenge, I just can't seem to find it.

mınxomaτ

@AlexA. Free?

Alex A.

7:05 PM

@mınxomaτ Preferably, yeah

I could be open to paid resources as well provided they aren't prohibitively expensive.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ETHproductions ~A & B = B - A, for bitwise NOT and AND and when B >= A, but the way we implemented NAND, A NAND A != bitwise NOT A. Should this change, do you think? (For NTFJ)

Thomas Kwa

@AlexA. Are you thinking of a snippet from this?

Alex A.

@ThomasKwa Hm, maybe. I could have sworn I've done the zeros thing specifically though

mınxomaτ

@AlexA. I've been recommended this one: learnpythonthehardway.org/book

Alex A.

@mınxomaτ THANK YOU!!

Thomas Kwa

7:10 PM

@mınxomaτ That's Python 2

Alex A.

I need Python 2

So that's perfect

Thomas Kwa

Oh, good

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Python 3 > Python 2, because 3 > 2 :3

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ no

Alex A.

I actually prefer Python 3, but for my current purposes I need 2

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:11 PM

AFAIK py.3 has different print syntax than py.2. Anything else different?

mınxomaτ

I prefer no python.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Thomas Kwa

@ӍѲꝆΛҐӍΛПҒЦꝆ It's disrespectful to the cultures that own those languages.

The letters actually mean something

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ it's looser and golfier. e.g. you can mix tabs and spaces for indentation, with 1 tab ~= 8 spaces

Thomas Kwa

Λ is a lambda

it sounds like an l

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:13 PM

@ThomasKwa I don't think we need to go self-righteous on languages...

Thomas Kwa

not an A

Alex A.

@ThomasKwa I wouldn't consider it disrespectful. I just find it annoying. :P

Thomas Kwa

Making emoticons using the shape of letters is one thing

quartata

@VoteToClose thanks for joining right now that reminds me I need to get off my ass and implement custom arg parsing so AST works

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce huh!

quartata

7:13 PM

bye

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

You changed your avatar! :D @quartat

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ not just print, but some other built-in functions work more like operators, such as eval and exec

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce Oh, cool!

Alex A.

@quartata For what?

Thomas Kwa

We all enjoy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, even though we're not using the character in the middle as a tsu

Cyoce

7:14 PM

xis the repr function

Alex A.

@ThomasKwa That's not small tsu, it's regular tsu. ツ

muddyfish

@VoteToClose posted my answer ;)

Cyoce

uggh how do I do this

surrounding something with backticks stringifies it

Alex A.

スアッテ <- that's small tsu

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

` `something` `

Thomas Kwa

7:16 PM

but ignoring the meaning of letters and using them for their resemblance to your own shows an ignorance of where they came from.

Thanks @Alex

Lynn

I give up, someone tell me how to read “ӍѲꝆΛҐӍΛПҒЦꝆ”.

Alex A.

Molarmanful

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa So why not pick on me? ;) I do the same thing.

Lynn

Ahh

Alex A.

What is that starred? That's what it is. :P

quartata

7:17 PM

@AlexA. chat bot

VoteToClose

@muddyfish It's pretty awesome. c: Can you make a pull request to my repository with the source code?

mınxomaτ

@AlexA. No one kew.

Thomas Kwa

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Hm? Where?

Lynn

The L's don't even show up for me

Alex A.

@quartata Oh, okay. I'll miss you. Come back soon.

quartata

7:18 PM

@Lynn I have no idea honestly I've tried all the devices in my house and none of them render it correctly

mınxomaτ

@Lynn It was even worse before.

Lynn

Same. ;-;

Alex A.

My computer does it fine but my phone hates it.

VoteToClose

@Lynn @Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ's name looks like @DoNG to me.

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Lynn

Haha, I see that one, mysteriously

Alex A.

7:20 PM

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

quartata

I still don't understand why Unicode decided it was a good idea to include a bunch of weird characters

Cyoce

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Lynn

I know ESMin's name doesn't render for me

mınxomaτ

ಠ◡ಠ

Roujo

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Alex A.

7:20 PM

@quartata Because weird characters are best characters

muddyfish

@VoteToClose sure

Cyoce

ಠ_ಠ

Lynn

@quartata Probably compatibility! Depends which characters you think are weird, though

Alex A.

(╯ಠ ͜ʖಠ）╯︵ ┻━┻

quartata

@Lynn I'm talking the 100+ different emojis

I forget the code points

Cyoce

7:21 PM

@AlexA. that looks hideous

Lynn

Most of the “small caps” are actually used in the International Phonetic Alphabet, I think

Alex A.

Those were included out of necessity

@Cyoce :(

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa C o (Uvular nasal) o (Uvular trill) O ' B (Uvular trill) (Near-close near-front unrounded vowel) (Latin Letter Small Capital E) (Uvular nasal). Maybe not, I remembered wrong.

Roujo

@quartata To standardize how emoji should be sent over text =)

mınxomaτ

@AlexA. It seemed shorter when I wrote it offline. Yet my most popular answer is the three byte infinite brainfuck loop...

quartata

7:22 PM

@Roujo Why can't you phone people be satisfied with text emojis

Do we really need knife emojis and cats and forks and bus signs

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Lynn Yeah, but a lot are in the pronunciation key thing

Roujo

@quartata I don't know, but by then they were in standard use already anyway

Alex A.

@quartata yes

quartata

@AlexA. ok

Alex A.

You never know when you need to text your friend that you've knifed a cat on the bus.

Roujo

7:22 PM

They took what already existed and standardized it to help with interop

Lynn

Well, they are used, so it's more or less Unicode's job description to universally enode them.

Roujo

^

Lynn

That's how we got U+1F574 MAN IN BUSINESS SUIT LEVITATING.

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Martin Büttner

Oh, CS.SE got colours! :)

Roujo

@MartinBüttner Yeah, the new design is pretty neat =)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:23 PM

@Lynn wat

Alex A.

What the hell

Lynn

The best emojum.

Alex A.

hahaha

Is emojum the singular of emoji?

Lynn

No, I made that up :<

Roujo

emoxen

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:24 PM

No, it's emoju

quartata

@Lynn lolwat

Alex A.

@Lynn It's perfect

mınxomaτ

> That kind of behaviour is, of course, inevitable in any kind of Innarwebs™® interaction. Pseudo-anonymity makes doorknobs of otherwise-normal people. There is something else, however, in the whole Stack Exchange hierarchy that bugs me: the creeping authoritarianism.

Hah!

Cyoce

emojus if it's male, emoja if it's female, emojum if it's neuter

Lynn

Well, in the second case, the plural'd be emojae

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:25 PM

And emojip if you're hip.

quartata

@mınxomaτ @Doorknob

Cyoce

@Lynn true

Roujo

emojiⁿ, where n is the number of emojiⁿ used - left as ⁿ if the number is unknown

Alex A.

"Emojo" sounds like something Austin Powers would use in a text.

Lynn

The chat notification sound here is so satisfying~

Alex A.

7:26 PM

I KNOW

Roujo

How can I turn that on? =)

Cyoce

@AlexA. emojdo - where emojae fight

mınxomaτ

@Roujo Click that speaker icon

@AlexA. Emo.O

quartata

in The Bridge, 57 secs ago, by badp

"Lol this is really slow I'll fix it with memoization!!"

Lynn

It's a good little Genesis-ish sound

Alex A.

7:27 PM

@Cyoce Emodojo, where sad musicians fight

quartata

python in a nutshell

@Lynn It does kinda sound like that sound when Sonic bounces off a spring

Assuming you were referring to Sega Genesis

Lynn

Yeah!

muddyfish

@VoteToClose pull request made

Thomas Kwa

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ to me, that's even less questionable than the shrug emoticon. The small caps are used for that purpose, but the use isn't so ubiquitous and tied to the letter to make it the meaning of the characters. Small caps have plenty of other purposes.

Roujo

@mınxomaτ Great, thanks ^^

Alex A.

7:29 PM

@ThomasKwa How do you feel about ArtOfCode's sister, who uses the display name Åna?

Lynn

cdn-chat.sstatic.net/chat/se.mp3 Trrwm~

@AlexA. Is that actually pronounced “o-na” or is it just “Ana with a fancy ring over the A”?

Thomas Kwa

@AlexA. Is it pronounced correctly?

Alex A.

@ThomasKwa Who knows? I think her actual name is Ana though.

Roujo

@ThomasKwa I don't share your opinion. As long as you're not voluntarily making fun of the languages and/or people involved, using glyphs for uses they weren't intended for isn't a lack of respect or an issue to me. It feels like art, a creative expression. It's even better if it does fit, or if it's pronounced the right way, but I don't think it should be required.

Lynn

There's a smorgasbord of words where English just completely neglects the å.

Roujo

7:34 PM

@Lynn I see what you did there

Lynn

( ͡° v ͡°)

quartata

@Roujo I don't

Roujo

In Molarmanful's case, people's negative-ish reaction to the name is enough for me without having to appeal to a sense of respect which people might or might not agree with.

Cyoce

@Lynn I'm assuming "smorgasbord" means "a lot" and has a thingie over the "a"

quartata

Oh wait

Lynn

7:35 PM

@Cyoce Yep. It's actually a kind of buffet but people use it to mean “varied collection”

quartata

@Roujo I think most people are OK with a bit of Unicode (minxomat's name has some actually) but molar's doesn't show up right on most devices and is a little annoying

Roujo

I'm just realizing that it's possible to use MAN IN BUSINESS SUIT LEVITATING as an exclamation mark of sorts🕴

Alex A.

:O

quartata

@Cyoce do you actually not know what a smorgasbord is

Or just didn't know that it had an accent on the a

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa Ah.

Cyoce

7:37 PM

@quartata no I only know platypar detour javascript and english. also platypus anatomy

Alex A.

Do you not know platapus anatomy?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce learn Jolf

Roujo

@quartata My point exactly. Using glyphs in annoying places is reason enough to disagree with their use. I don't see a need for deeper justifications, since it can turn into a debate re: whether those are founded or not - as they did here =P

@quartata I didn't know what that was until I learned about it, either.

Cyoce

1 min ago, by Cyoce

@quartata no I only know platypar detour javascript and english. also platypus anatomy

Alex A.

@Roujo I don't think anyone knows what anything is until they learn about it. :P

quartata

7:39 PM

I speak English and I use smorgasbord in casual speech all the time to mean "a varied selection"

Alex A.

@quartata You're British?

quartata

no

Roujo

@AlexA. ... s/about it/about it recently/ Oops. =P

Alex A.

haha

@quartata rekt

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

quartata = british chap confirmed

Or should I say "validated"? :P

Alex A.

7:40 PM

quarteatime

quartata

I like tea.

Alex A.

Same

What's your favorite kind?

quartata

I pretty much like all kinds except rooibos

Cyoce

@quartata I don't like tea. :(

Roujo

Likewise. I have a cup of green tea next to me, as I do most days.

muddyfish

7:42 PM

I like tea

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6.5K - 1 :D

muddyfish

woo!

Alex A.

@quartata >:O Rooibos is good

Roujo

Company stopped supplying us programmers with free coffee, so I switched =P

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quartata

@AlexA. Sorry I'm just not a big fan

Alex A.

7:42 PM

@quartata Ok

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ there you go

Lynn

Mint tea is so good! Don't know if it's a popular thing universally.

Alex A.

Ok, plan B: Fly a kite into the blades, with a rock in a sling dangling below it, and create the world's largest trebuchet.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm still happy: Rien number is 2^5 votes

Cyoce

and now you have 6.5K+

Alex A.

7:43 PM

@Lynn My girlfriend likes it. I like it on occasion but it isn't something I have often.

quartata

@Lynn I've had it before and liked it but dunno if it's a popular thing here in the states

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce I also have -1K+ O^O

Lynn

I see

Doorknob

@AlexA. woah an xkcd I haven't seen before :O

Lynn

Usually, I drink black teas, I guess. With lots of honey!!

Alex A.

7:44 PM

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I have 0.8K+

Doorknob

@mınxomaτ /me is living proof

Alex A.

@Lynn Oh shit dawg black tea with honey is boss as fuck

@Doorknob O__O

Doorknob

@quartata really? I see people get like 10 upvotes by answering super simple questions all the time

quartata

> super simple questions that get closed as dupes within a day

Alex A.

7:46 PM

You must hang out in high traffic tags. :P

quartata

I'm just talking about looking at the main page of SO

ETHproductions

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Change how, exactly? I'm not sure exactly what the other formula would be.

Doorknob

@quartata hah, within a day? If it's not closed within 15 minutes, it most likely never will be. :P

Alex A.

I have like twice the necessary number of R answers to get the silver R badge but like a quarter of the score.

Doorknob

@AlexA. I had the opposite problem here on PPCG with gold code-golf. P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:46 PM

@ETHproductions Just use ~(A&B), I guess. I don't know how else subtraction would be possible.

quartata

@Doorknob day 15 minutes it's all the same

Cyoce

@AlexA. there are badges for languages?

quartata

@Cyoce Tag badges

Alex A.

@Cyoce Yeah, because on SO there are language-specific tags

ETHproductions

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That makes the result negative

quartata

7:47 PM

@ETHproductions That's means it's signed use unsigned

mınxomaτ

BTW: Is there a "simpler" algorithm for non-optimal, but acceptable text justification than Knuth-Plass (TeX)?

quartata

How do you make something unsigned in JS anyways

Alex A.

Remove the sign

Doorknob

@quartata You don't because JS sucks :P

ETHproductions

@quartata How do I make an unsigned bNOT operator? Just remove the sign?

Cyoce

7:48 PM

@Doorknob how dare you

quartata

@ETHproductions I don't know

In C you just slap an unsigned on the variable declarations

Cyoce

to remove the sign use Math.abs

Doorknob

@Cyoce how dare I what, speak the truth? ;)

quartata

@Cyoce ... he means how do you make a variable unsigned

Alex A.

REKT SON

Cyoce

7:49 PM

@Doorknob how dare you blasphemize js

Alex A.

JS is bad and everyone knows it

quartata

@Cyoce I hope you're kidding. I think even JS developers agree that JS is trash

ETHproductions

Removing the sign == -~(a&b) == (a&b)+1 :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ETHproductions True...

Cyoce

@quartata oh. but JS is dynamically typed so your point is moot

quartata

7:50 PM

@ETHproductions Yeah just do -(~(a&b)+1) I guess

Alex A.

Math.abs() ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Roujo

"Just"

Alex A.

Gotta flex your mathematical abs

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Cyoce

and what exactly is wrong with A-B ?

quartata

@Cyoce ???

ETHproductions

7:51 PM

@quartata That's exactly equivalent to a&b :P

Lynn

What do you mean by “unsigned not”?

Alex A.

@quartata ???

quartata

@Lynn He wants the numbers to be unsigned but JS treats them as signed

RikerW

@quartata I agree with this.

Cyoce

@AlexA. ???

Roujo

7:51 PM

let ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ(x) = Math.abs(x)

quartata

@ETHproductions Oh oops

Sorry I'm stupid

Martin Büttner

this hasn't been in the sandbox for very long, but it seems straightforward enough that I don't see what could go wrong. any comments before I post it?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

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