The Nineteenth Byte

Alex A.

9:00 PM

Cat's fine.

Hiya guys!

Hello

Hammertime XD

Dope Zebra - Rhett & Link (Official Original Video)

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aditsu

do dragons wear parachute pants?

TheNumberOne

9:04 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Hi, Hola, Aloha, Hello

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TheNumberOne Bonjour ^_^

Alex A.

@aditsu article <- cat's fine, I wouldn't watch it otherwise

TheNumberOne

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ According to your SO profile, you're trying to learn calculus, right?

Alex A.

@flawr What the hell did I just watch

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TheNumberOne Yes, I am! Working on integration right now. Thanks for giving it a read :D

aditsu

9:09 PM

@AlexA. that half man in a wok is quite disturbing

Alex A.

For serious

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. The video was... terrifying, on some deep, subconscious level.

flawr

@AlexA. I am going through my video playlists and finally found the right video.

OBI Hammer-Werbung

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Alex A.

Haha we just lost like 8 people from the chat at once

@flawr That's... incredible.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I know that I'm board when I'm trying to re-create 2048 in ><> :P

*bored

Alex A.

9:17 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You can edit chat messages by pressing the up arrow key or from the dropdown menu when you click the left side of a chat message.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. Whoa. That's cool ^_^ Lemme try that edit

Alex A.

You can only edit messages posted within a 2 minute or so window though

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Q: Goodness, it's covered in tabs!

Space indentation users, unite! We must fight against all the lowly tab users! Your mission (should you choose to accept it) is to write a program or function that takes in two arguments: A string: This is the input. A positive integer: This the number of spaces per tab. You must go through ...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. Ohhhh that explains why I can't edit the problem post %D

Doorknob

@NewMainPosts yesssss :D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

9:20 PM

Tabulators FTW

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ NO

Dennis

@NewMainPosts I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it asks for malicious software.

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. ^_^ I'm actually for \n's (see xkcd.com/1285) Too bad they're no programming languages that use \n primarily except for whitespace (that I know of)

Doorknob

@Dennis Flagged as offensive ;)

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9:36 PM

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Q: Tweetable animations

With a language of your choosing, write a function that takes one integer and outputs a 2D array of rgb values. The input of this function is which frame of the animation we're requesting, where 0 is the first frame. The output of the function is the image (in rgb values) at that frame. The fu...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

prntscr.com/8ejfam

Geobits

Hmm. Me no read good.

Alex A.

Anyone else think this is too broad and/or underspecified and/or unclear?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. Yes. It is not clear which animation(s) he has reference to, or how the input will be given

Doorknob

I'm not sure who pinned my flags message, but I'm gonna unpin it because obviously it isn't a recurring issue.

Alex A.

9:43 PM

I have SE's Hammer of Moderation™, so if I vote to close it's closed immediately.

Geobits

I'm not sure. It seems a lot like tweetable art, except even more constrained.

You get only 140 chars here, where the other was 140 per channel. Also, you need to differentiate frames.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. I say swing the hammer. Tell the guy to go to the sandbox and refine the challenge?"

Alex A.

I'll wait a bit to see if others vote to close. Unilaterally closing something can be a little unnerving when it's not immediately clear that something is, for example, a duplicate.

TheNumberOne

@AlexA. Ahem, that's SE's hammer, not Thor's.

Alex A.

@TheNumberOne Better? :P

TheNumberOne

9:46 PM

:)

Richard

Doorknob

(@Richard really likes that GIF)

Alex A.

I think @Richard just likes hammers.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Hammers are love. Hammers are life.

Richard

@AlexA. - They go hand-in-hand with my delusions of godhood

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Alex A.

9:49 PM

Do you dabble in SE-themed gif creation, @Richard? :P

Richard

@AlexA. - I'm a dabbler

Alex A.

Uh okay

Richard

My frustration is that I'm good enough at photoshop to know that I could be much better if I actually learned to use it properly

Alex A.

Ah, yes. I understand this problem well. (Except not with Photoshop)

TheNumberOne

@AlexA. The easiness of making an answer has convinced me that you were correct.

New Main Posts

9:58 PM

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Q: A Program that Print Programs

Challenge Your goal is to write a program that prints another program. That printed program should print another program, and the new program should print another program, until the end. Rules Each program must less than 256 bytes. (If this needs to be changed, leave a comment) The last progr...

code-challenge code-generation

Alex A.

@Geobits should really change his username to Dr. Downvote.

Geobits

That came out of nowhere... I haven't downvoted anything here in a few hours.

Alex A.

The most horrid thing I've had to do in recent times is locate and copy a tab character and paste it into an editor so I could test my submission to Kirby's challenge. shudders

@Geobits I checked the vote breakdown on Kirby's challenge and noticed that there were no downvotes so I assumed you hadn't seen it yet.

Geobits

@AlexA. If you did things correctly, you'd just have to press the tab key in your editor.

Odd how that works. Hitting the tab key inserts tab :P

Alex A.

Actually, it works by inserting spaces up to a tab stop.

Which means that it's functioning correctly.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:05 PM

^_^ I still go for tabs

Geobits

You have an odd definition of "correctly".

TheNumberOne

@Geobits Only in notepad.

The worst ide ever.

Alex A.

@TheNumberOne I think @PhiNotPi would disagree with that. :P

Geobits

If my IDE entered spaces when I hit tab, I'd have to file a bug report. There's a different key on my keyboard for that; the space bar.

TheNumberOne

The only time you should ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ... ... use tabs is in a Makefile.

Alex A.

10:12 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies I think we need a team KOTH spaces vs. tabs challenge.

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TheNumberOne

(As long as the tabs never win)

Alex A.

Now that I know how to unstar chat messages, I feel the urge to do so every time I see a pro-tab comment get starred.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

.______________.

"PRO-TAB" ees "PRO_TAB"

TheNumberOne

10:38 PM

Has anyone in here played Trimps?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Nope

TheNumberOne

It's a fun idle game: trimps.github.io/#

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Huh

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:54 PM

@TheNumberOne That game is addicting. Thanks ^_^

TheNumberOne

I've been playing for days.

Oh wow XD

Screenshot:

XD That is fantastic

@AlexA. But tabs is the obvious winner

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:59 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies YUS IT IS

TheNumberOne

@Calvin'sHobbies That's debatable, hence the need for a challenge.

Calvin's Hobbies

11:09 PM

@TheNumberOne Spaces are less conducive to learning. I wonder how many professors around the world can't think over the clatter of dozens of students pressing the space bar 4 times every few seconds.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Calvin'sHobbies True. Tabs also make for faster coding.

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Okay, that's just blatantly false.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. Think about it. One key verse 4.

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies You press tab and your editor/IDE inserts spaces. That's how they all work.

(all the ones worth using, that is)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. Notepad++ ;-;

Alex A.

11:14 PM

I configured Notepad++ on my work PC to use 4 spaces when I press the tab key.

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. Not every novice programmer knows about that. Sometimes you'll need to hit backspace 4 times to delete your indent anyway.

Alex A.

That should be the first thing taught to novice programmers.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. I think the general programming concept is more important than semantics.

Alex A.

Nope

Not when it comes to tabs

They breed sin

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. So does a hard-coded for loop.

Alex A.

11:16 PM

Yes, so you agree. Using tabs is as bad as a hard-coded for loop.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

In reference to breeding sin.

Alex A.

@Timwi You're an accomplished programmer. I beseech thee: Spaces or tabs?

Calvin's Hobbies

If this SE chat webpage used tabs instead of spaces it would be around 21% smaller.

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Alex A.

I believe you mean 21% less good.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

... erm

that would be interestingwouldn't it?

PhiNotPi

11:20 PM

I believe you mean 21% golfier.

Timwi

@AlexA. Fair evening to all you fine coders. I do not habitually frequent this fine establishment, therefore my input on such controversial matters would surely set volatile embers akindle

Alex A.

They're already akindle, so you might as well. :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Timwi words from the wise ^_^

Timwi

Let it be said truthfully, that he who programmeth in a tongue whose bylaws place no significance on said choice of whitespace, shall not worry about such puny earthly matters

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Let's all make whitespace programs x3

Timwi

11:24 PM

He, on the other hand, who programmeth in Whitespace, shall be forever lost in bewilderment should he consider the banishment of either one of said characters.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

... or not o_o

Timwi

Honestly though, spaces. Definitely spaces.

Alex A.

<3

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

D:

C'est la vie :P

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. Can you unfreeze the chat relay room?

Timwi

11:29 PM

Is it worth coming here more often? Last time I was here there was nothing interesting going on. Granted, that was years ago.

Alex A.

It's quite lively now

(if I do say so myself)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Timwi Yup! With hammers and dancing zebras

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies Done

@Timwi What's your language of choice for general-purpose (non-golfing) programming?

Timwi

C#

@AlexA. Yours?

Calvin's Hobbies

@PhiNotPi I'm keeping the room restricted

PhiNotPi

11:33 PM

okay

Alex A.

@Timwi Is that C# on .NET or Mono (or some other I don't know about)? My language of choice really depends on what I'm doing. Most of my non-golfing programming is specific to statistics, so I usually use R (and SAS for my job D:).

Timwi

I tend to claim that it depends on what I’m doing, too, but truth be told, 99% of my code is in C#. (Currently I’m on .NET with VS, but I’ve also thought about trying out Unity for games development.)

Alex A.

Oooh, my girlfriend has dabbled in Unity (though mostly from the art assets side) and it looks really cool.

Timwi

Someone commenting on meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/6944/668 suggested creating “a challenge that involves golfing Funciton programs.” Any ideas of what kind of challenge I could post that wouldn’t be totally lame because it’s too language-specific?

Alex A.

I'd be willing to bet that not too many folks know Funciton.

Timwi

11:39 PM

Hence my question.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Timwi I am in love with your Funciton programming language.

Timwi

Thank you :) You have no idea how much it means to me that you say that :)

Have you ever written anything in it?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

No, I just found it from previous link. I'm working on making a simple program, not sure what yet. ^_^

Alex A.

It's been used a few times on the site. :)

Timwi

Can you amend that search query so that it excludes my own uses of it? :-p

Alex A.

11:44 PM

Haha

I'll try

I can't figure out how to exclude by user, but by visual exclusion the only other person to use it on the site is LegionMammal.

:/

(The other hit on the search is a guy who misspelled "function.")

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Does funciton allow decimal values?

Timwi

No, the only datatype is the arbitrary-size integer.

I saw LegionMammal’s answer. In fact, I helped him reduce it by 1 character (and then we both deleted the comments, shame on us).

Sp3000

@Timwi metagolf - except for Funciton half the challenge is reducing the amount of non-ASCII border chars there are (and also whitespace :P)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Fun! I'll make a program writing the decimal expansion of e. Not sure how hard that will be.

Alex A.

@Timwi I might be able to undelete comments with Mod Powers™.

Timwi

11:49 PM

I tried writing a program to approximate Pi, but I gave up, hope you have better luck! :)

Zgarb

@Timwi I second the opinion that Funciton is one of the most awesome esolangs ever. I saw it on esolangs.org a while ago and went "whoa".

Timwi

@AlexA.: I think we were both of sound mind when we purposely and voluntarily deleted those comments :)

Alex A.

:)

Timwi

@Zgarb: Thank you :)

Zgarb

Every program is so pretty!

Alex A.

11:51 PM

I just looked it up. It can confirm that it is indeed awesome.

Timwi

Now that several of you have looked at Funciton, I have a question. As you can probably tell, part of the design goal was to have a minimalistic instruction set, hence I have only a bare minimum to get Turing completeness. But then, some years later, I added lambda expressions. The downside of that is that the instruction set is no longer minimal. But it was a huge boost in expressive power (just look at all the lazy sequences functions). Was it a good or a bad choice to add lambda expressions?

Alex A.

IMO expressive power > minimalism

Timwi

Okie, thanks, that’s reassuring

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Timwi I'm with @AlexA. on that one. I'd rather have ><> over BF (expressive power versus minimalism)

Ypnypn

Rule 110 is minimalist

Sp3000

11:58 PM

*Foo over BF

Alex A.

I still have residual Foostration.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Overcoming cluster size code-challenge polyglot string math ascii-art Fed up with the reliability of Flash storage, you decided to store all your programs on a good old 1,024,000 byte floppy. However, after copying not even 2,000 programs, the disk was full. How's that even possible? Skilled in...

Timwi

I’m getting an invalid HTTPS certificate. o.O

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