The Nineteenth Byte

Alex A.

5:00 PM

^ fragmented sentences

⁣

^ not a sentence

"English golfing"

Go.

i win the english golf competition

Sparr

317 bytes for my halting program generator. I'm not happy with a lot of the things I had to do. I might reimplement it in another language. The syntax will be mostly the same, but just going to a language with python's defaultdict behavior by default will save me a lot of characters.

Alex A.

5:06 PM

"I'm not happy with a lot of the things I had to do." Such is the tragedy of war.

Thomas Ross

Alex is being philosophical today.

Alex A.

No philosophy here.

Thomas Ross

lieeessss

Alex A.

Nah man. True facts.

@ThomasRoss That's what browser bookmarks are for.

Like exactly what they're for.

Thomas Ross

fine

Dennis

5:13 PM

Does anybody know why I just got a chat notification? As far as I can tell, nobody pinged me...

Thomas Ross

@Dennis Clearly, the PPCG gods needed you

But, no. No idea.

Unless somehow ThomasRoss == Dennis

ProgramFOX

@TheNumberOne Eh, good night! Well, not sure what that ping was for anyway, I didn't even receive it but I stumbled across it on the transcript.

Dennis

@ThomasRoss You might be on to something. perl -e 'print ThomasRoss == Dennis' prints 1.

Alex A.

That's kind of weird.

Re Perl and your chat ping

Thomas Ross

@Dennis haha

null == null

ProgramFOX

5:17 PM

@Dennis If someone pinged you and deleted the message afterwards, you still get the notification but you won't see the message anymore. Perhaps that happened here.

Dennis

@ProgramFOX Wouldn't that show (removed)?

Alex A.

The pinging system on chat has seemed kind of weird lately.

Thomas Ross

@Dennis "you still get the notification but you won't see the message anymore"

ProgramFOX

@Dennis Not on the transcript.

Dennis

But I was in the room already.

ProgramFOX

5:20 PM

Hmm... well I just got two pings for your reply. Weird.

Alex A.

It seems we have quite the mystery on our hands.

ProgramFOX

Eh... I just got a ping for @Alex's message but he didn't ping me...

Dennis

Another ping. Sweet.

PhiNotPi

lol

Alex A.

@Dennis Are you a fan of pings? Sarcasm doesn't always translate well to ASCII text.

@PhiNotPi lol indeed

PhiNotPi

5:22 PM

I don't think sarcasm translates that well into Unicode text either.

Alex A.

No, it does. I've checked.

Dennis

@AlexA. Both false pings I got were for messages from you. I think you broke something.

Alex A.

UTF-32 only though.

@Dennis Were they false though?

Sparr

is anyone working on a /// entry for the halting challenge?

ProgramFOX

oh wait... I see what you did on the transcript

Alex A.

5:24 PM

It was something we determined yesterday.

(Or early this morning, depending on your timezone)

ProgramFOX

Oh so that was what TheNumberOne did with that ping that did nothing.

Alex A.

You can ping someone in a link using [ text ] ( http:\\@Dennis ), omitting spaces and replacing \\ with //

You can be a sneaky little sh-- by using a punctuation mark for the link text.

Like I've been doing.

Dennis

That@Dennis" rel="nofollow">'s kind of weird.

ProgramFOX

I was just about to submit a bug report on Meta but then I saw the transcript :P

Dennis

Haha, very funny.

PhiNotPi

5:25 PM

I used a zero-width space.

Thomas Ross

Hi Dennis!

Alex A.

Clearly some of us find it more amusing than others.

Now that I've sufficiently trolled strangers on the Internet for the day, I should really be going.

TheNumberOne

@Katya Your execution time limit is unrealistic for programs executed from command line. I would suggest using IO through pipes instead.

Thomas Ross

That's pretty funny actually

Dennis

I knew all along. If in doubt, blame the geese!

:P

Alex A.

5:27 PM

@Dennis Usually I would say blame @Geobits.

TheNumberOne

We all know who the number one suspect is :P

ProgramFOX

You can also spin The Wheel of Blame to know who to blame exactly :P

2

Thomas Ross

It's Marc Gravell's fault!

Alex A.

I got the SO dev team.

Let's submit a meta post.

Thomas Ross

I always get Mark Gravell

TheNumberOne

5:30 PM

same

Alex A.

Then clearly he's to blame.

Thomas Ross

We need a PPCG wheel of blame

It's always Geobits.

True

Or the aliens'.

5:33 PM

Choices: Geobits, Aliens, Geese.

Thomas Ross

@AlexA. okay, jsfiddle.net/fpudeqgy/1/embedded/result

Alex A.

@ThomasRoss PERFECT

Thomas Ross

oh we need aliens and geese too?

TheNumberOne

@AlexA. No it isn't

Alex A.

Well Dennis wants to blame aliens and geese.

Thomas Ross

5:33 PM

Okay. Give me a minute

Alex A.

@TheNumberOne Mmm... pretty sure that's incorrect.

PhiNotPi

It should spin with just Geobits' name.

Alex A.

^ yes

Thomas Ross

@PhiNotPi It already does

The one I gave Alex only has Geobits

Alex A.

Doesn't spin though

It just shows his name

Thomas Ross

5:37 PM

Okay, give me a couple of minutes

Alex A.

Granted

PhiNotPi

It would also be funny if there were a bunch of names but it only ever landed on Geobits.

Alex A.

^ YES

Thomas Ross

Okay, there's aliens geese and geobits

wait what

why does aliens have geese's picture

LOL

jsfiddle.net/fpudeqgy/4/embedded/result

Alex A.

I still just get Geobits with no spinning

PhiNotPi

5:41 PM

I don't see anything different.

Wrong link?

Thomas Ross

@AlexA. it's because jQuery doesn't load over SSL

Alex A.

@ThomasRoss add an http://

Thomas Ross

(It's a JSFiddle Problem)

jsfiddle.net/fpudeqgy/4/embedded/result

Alex A.

Now it works :D

PhiNotPi

Yeah, it works with http:

Alex A.

5:42 PM

Nicely done

Thomas Ross

@Dennis jsfiddle.net/fpudeqgy/4/embedded/result

you should star it lol

Alex A.

Your next task, Mr. JS Developer, is to add several PPCG users but have it only ever land on Geobits.

Thomas Ross

Okay

Alex A.

You'll get paid $0 USD for every hour spent for this contract project.

Thomas Ross

@AlexA. can you make a list of users and their SE profiles?

Alex A.

5:45 PM

I can in a little while. In the meantime let's brainstorm on who should be included. Certainly the mods, plus you, me, Phi, Geobits (obviously), Calvin...

Geobits

I'm not sure whether I should feel pride or offense right now.

Alex A.

Dennis, ProgramFOX, The Number One, Sp3000

@Geobits Some mix of the two is probably ideal

Geobits

Oh, ok. Well then, back to The Witcher. Have fun, see you guys next week.

PhiNotPi

I figured out how to make it land on Geobits always.

Alex A.

@PhiNotPi I just get geese

ProgramFOX

5:47 PM

@PhiNotPi That landed on the geese for me, not on Geobits.

PhiNotPi

wrong link

TheNumberOne

same

PhiNotPi

must not have updated

Thomas Ross

@PhiNotPi yeah, just add li.first().css("marginTop", 0);

to the callback

PhiNotPi

jsfiddle.net/yvt6cp3m/1/embedded/result ???

Thomas Ross

5:48 PM

jsfiddle.net/eb04pwc7/1

@PhiNotPi lol?

Martin Büttner

oh crap... I found a 13 byte version for crossword counting half an hour ago, but didn't get around to edit the post... now I'm late to the tie with Jakube :/

Thomas Ross

oh wait

TheNumberOne

@PhiNotPi Doesn't spin

Alex A.

@TheNumberOne Spins for me

Thomas Ross

@TheNumberOne same https problem probably

PhiNotPi

5:49 PM

I edited it to remove the s

should work now

TheNumberOne

now it does.

Thomas Ross

Okay give me a minute

Alex A.

Oh Dennis and his removal.

Dennis

This works: jsfiddle.net/bj18dk9s Embedding doesn't.

The E

The embedded works for me (jsfiddle.net/bj18dk9s/embedded/result)

Alex A.

5:53 PM

@Dennis YES, YES! You've done it!

PhiNotPi

@Dennis I see Math.floor(Math.random()) in there.

Thomas Ross

@AlexA. I'm working on a more extended version right now

PhiNotPi

Here is my version, which sometimes does more spinning for one spin than another. jsfiddle.net/yvt6cp3m/2

Thomas Ross

@AlexA. I've done it VVV

"official"

Dennis

Doesn't spin for me.

TheNumberOne

5:56 PM

same

Alex A.

Same

Thomas Ross

oh wait strange give me a sec

Alex A.

And the code uses aliens and geese

I see them lurking in the shadows

Thomas Ross

OK HERE WE GO

@AlexA. Do you have something against aliens and geese?

PhiNotPi

Mine, with improved spinning: jsfiddle.net/bj18dk9s/1/embedded/result

ProgramFOX

5:57 PM

@ThomasRoss doesn't spin for me

Thomas Ross

@ProgramFOX It's the ssl problem

Try that

ProgramFOX

ah, that works

Thomas Ross

if you use HTTPS everywhere you'l have to allow loading unsecure sources

oh its broken

Alex A.

@PhiNotPi This is exactly what I was hoping for. This should be linked in the PPCG help page.

Thomas Ross

I'm stealing PhiNotPi's spinning thing

PhiNotPi

5:58 PM

Let me edit the footer text though.

Thomas Ross

jsfiddle.net/eb04pwc7/5

Dennis

@MartinBüttner 1b -> ,

Thomas Ross

Ok, that one is good

Martin Büttner

@Dennis nope, doesn't work if there are 0s in there

Dennis

Right...

Thomas Ross

5:59 PM

jsfiddle.net/eb04pwc7/5

The E

@ThomasRoss that sometimes ends up with a white box as the result :(

PhiNotPi

Removed MSE text: jsfiddle.net/bj18dk9s/2/embedded/result

Thomas Ross

@TheE Yeah, I don't know why, It uses @PhiNotPi's spinning thing, blame him

Calvin's Hobbies

@ThomasRoss I just registered the url cgse.tk to forward to PPCG for a year. I'm not sure it will actually work.

PhiNotPi

He needs to increase the range of the for loop near the top to make sure that enough items are placed on the spinner list.

TheNumberOne

6:02 PM

@PhiNotPi You should of replaced the text with The Nineteenth Byte.

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies Doesn't work for me, says page not available.

Thomas Ross

OKAY, THIS ONE WORKS, ONCE AND FOR ALL: jsfiddle.net/eb04pwc7/6

TheNumberOne

doesn't spin

PhiNotPi

Doesn't spin because of https

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. I only just did it. It may take a while to register

Thomas Ross

6:03 PM

@TheNumberOne Click on the link again

Alex A.

@ThomasRoss Spins if you remove https, but it ends on a blank box for me.

@Calvin'sHobbies Did you have to pay for it?

PhiNotPi

You didn't increase the bounds of the for loop like you need to.

TheNumberOne

@ThomasRoss Went off the board.

Thomas Ross

cries

jsfiddle.net/eb04pwc7/9 -- PPCG Wheel Of Blame

try that

Alex A.

Yep, that works for me. :)

TheNumberOne

6:05 PM

works

Thomas Ross

Yayyyy

Alex A.

You should do an embedded result thing though.

TheNumberOne

link to the nineteenth byte doesn't work

Thomas Ross

@TheNumberOne works for me

TheNumberOne

Grumble, I keep forgetting middle click.

Doesn't work with left click.

Alex A.

6:07 PM

^

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. No. It lets you have a domain for free. Freenom does too, though I tried it once and it didn't work very well

Alex A.

Good to know!

Thomas Ross

jsfiddle.net/eb04pwc7/9/embedded/result PPCG Wheel Of Blame

4

^^ Star that one

Alex A.

Remove the https

TheNumberOne

same

Alex A.

6:08 PM

Left click still doesn't work

TheNumberOne

same

Thomas Ross

what are you talking about??

Alex A.

The 19th byte link

Thomas Ross

Oh

Probably a JSFiddle Restriction

PhiNotPi

My current wheel: jsfiddle.net/bj18dk9s/4/embedded/result

2

TheNumberOne

6:09 PM

PhiNotPi

Once we pick a wheel we should get it pinned.

TheNumberOne

^ Best so far, not perfect.

PhiNotPi

The link doesn't work.

Thomas Ross

ᵖᶦᶜᵏ ᵐᶦᶰᵉ

@PhiNotPi Yeah, I think JSFiddle disables <a href> elements

@PhiNotPi did you steal my user list lol

PhiNotPi

I ditched the Alien though.

Thomas Ross

6:12 PM

And the geese

Well, I guess our wheels are effectively the same

apart from the footer

I stole your spinning bit

the marginTop: -(li.first().outerHeight(true) * (Math.floor(Math.random() * 3) + 3)*li.length) - 2

@PhiNotPi ^^

PhiNotPi

Okay

We should add Optimizer

Thomas Ross

How could we forget him

Which one should be the official one?

@AlexA. ^^

@TheNumberOne ^^

PhiNotPi

I'm adding some more people now.

Thomas Ross

Okay. Let's use @PhiNotPi's then

TheNumberOne

Link fixed

@PhiNotPi ^

PhiNotPi

6:21 PM

I'll fix the link.

Alex A.

@PhiNotPi Do we have Calvin and Doorknob in there too? Maybe add a touch of trichoplax and randomra for good measure.

PhiNotPi

I added Calvin.

I don't think DoorKnob is, but he should be.

Alex A.

Definitely

PhiNotPi

I added aditsu and randomra

and optimizer

randomra

lol, what are you doing? :)

Calvin's Hobbies

6:26 PM

@PhiNotPi Just query this and add all of them

PhiNotPi

So far, I've improved the link by adding #1's improvements over top of a regular link, so it has underlining and a cursor change.

Dennis

@MartinBüttner qN/_z+:~1-,

randomra

Thought quite some time about a good cat program for the cats&catchers koth, but haven't found one yet.

Dennis

Unless I'm missing something again.

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies Not all of them are active in chat though

@randomra Developing this

Calvin's Hobbies

6:31 PM

@AlexA. Just don't forget Sp at least

Alex A.

I had mentioned him before. Is he not in there?

@PhiNotPi ^^

PhiNotPi

I'm slowly working through the list.

Just added Door

Calvin's Hobbies

(See, getting the users automatically is more maintainable :P)

Alex A.

@PhiNotPi But what about its accompanying knob?

@Calvin'sHobbies Is there a way to query chat users?

Dennis

@AlexA. Sure. Ask me anything you want.

PhiNotPi

6:33 PM

Should I add Peter?

I think so.

Martin Büttner

@Dennis brilliant! :)

ohhh, just got the Zachtronic Industries email newsletter. "TIS-100 is the assembly language programming game you never asked for!" I'm sold!

3

Alex A.

@PhiNotPi Without question.

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. Not with the api I think. but some data is here

Dennis

@MartinBüttner Now hurry up before Pyth beats you to 11. :P

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies Weird, I'm not in "frequent in room"

PhiNotPi

6:35 PM

And jimmy

Alex A.

JIMMY

Martin Büttner

@Dennis done :)

thank you

what's this guys, are we getting our own wheel of blame? who curates the list?

Thomas Ross

@MartinBüttner me and @PhiNotPi curate the list

Alex A.

@MartinBüttner Yes we are! We're haphazardly adding people

Thomas Ross

@MartinBüttner It always lands on @Geobits though

Martin Büttner

6:37 PM

:D

It makes me so happy

Rainbolt is missing

@PhiNotPi ^^

will add

also, any decent wheel of blame should contain the possibility of blaming caching

5

Alex A.

6:38 PM

What is that?

Is it relevant if we only ever blame Geobits?

2

Thomas Ross

@PhiNotPi We need an updated link

PhiNotPi

jsfiddle.net/bj18dk9s/7/embedded/result

5

I actually slowed down the spinning a little so it isn't completely unreadable.

Martin Büttner

Once it's done I'll put it in the page description.

Thomas Ross

Maybe it's just me but I think it takes a little too long to spin

PhiNotPi

Great!

I can speed it up.

Martin Büttner

6:41 PM

you also forgot Chris

Thomas Ross

We also need Dr. Brian Steel, MD

PhiNotPi

How many seconds do you want the spinning to take?

Martin Büttner

-3

Dennis

At least 600. This is code golf.

Thomas Ross

Did you hear that, Dr. Brian Steel?

Alex A.

6:45 PM

He actually forfeited his doctorate, legally changed his first name from Brian to Brain, and changed his middle name to have length -1. His name is now BrainSteel.

Thomas Ross

StackOverflow failed with their review queue tests