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4:00 AM
@Mego oh it's a disaster
@Mego ?
There's a meta post about it. Let me go find it...
Yeah, as a room owner I can confirm that it's absolute trash
It's not so much bad as that there's basically no moderation.
What's Mos Eisley though?
4:00 AM
@quartata Mos Eisley is closed.
It's kick or nothing AFAICT.
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Q: Flags in chat are defective by design

Benjamin GruenbaumYes, I know the topic has been discussed before. I know that Meta already has threads that complain about how flagging doesn't work. I wanted to give a practical example. Today, a user came in to the JavaScript chat and asked the following question: Hey guys, as soon as I embed javascript,...

Well, it was their chatroom
see also: linked posts
@Mego no, no it's not
it's SE's chatroom
4:01 AM
@Doorknob lmao I love the amount of bounties on that thing
They, you know, should do, well, that. — Denys Séguret Nov 7 '13 at 14:22
@AlexA. I saw that, too
I, too, made note of this thing
4:03 AM
I also did
I saw it as well.
lo vi también
it was i that indeed saw this article of interest
Nay, it was all of us
4:04 AM
translate: lo vi también
(from Spanish) I also saw
@AlexA. that's a bad translation :P
translate: それを見ました
(from Japanese) I have seen it
it's "I saw it also"
¡todos lo vimos juntos!
translate: ¡todos lo vimos juntos!
(from Spanish) We all saw him together!
4:06 AM
s/h im/ it/
why do I always spell "emperors" as "emporers"
The mods:people message ratio is going up in here.
And yes, that kinda implies you're not people.
4:07 AM
Why would you think that mods are people?
I dunno, just putting it out there before someone called it out.
Mods are people modulo responsibility tacos
So if you take away as much responsibility as you can from people, what you have left are mods? That sounds... backwards.
Who said responsibility? I have tacos.
4:09 AM
Well of course Doorknob has tacos. He's in Texas.
I'm surprised at you, Seattle-man.
There are more tacos per capita in Washington.
I find that hard to believe, but I've only spent limited time in each state.
@Doorknob Hi
that happens to me all the time
"... wait, why am I replying to this message again?"
Mods are the fun police
4:11 AM
Indeed. See my chat profile for reference.
Fun police tacos
Fun taco police
Did someone say tacos? I want tacos.
You did
You don't get tacos. You're people modulo tacos, remember?
4:13 AM
5 mins ago, by Alex A.
Mods are people modulo responsibility tacos
@Geobits Which is why he needs tacos. He has a deficit to make up.
I'm taco deficient
With enough tacos he might become a people
Then he wouldn't be a mod. Tough call.
4:14 AM
We'll just make Calvin a mod against his will
What could possibly go wrong?
Sounds good to me.
@Calvin'sHobbies Alex is giving up his diamond for tacos. It's yours now.
Whats a very simple one line ascii art taco?
Tbh Calvin is the most modly a user can get without actually being a mod - well-respected, impartial, fair, and mostly-sane
@Mego :)
4:16 AM
> mostly-sane
ha ha, that's funny
none of us are sane :P
Yeah, thanks for that
@Doorknob Relatively speaking, of course
Peter's up there too, but I'm pretty sure he'd need modhood forced on him physically.
He's one of the most sane members, that's for sure
(re: Calvin)
4:18 AM
But I have no desire to be a mod (except to id @ಠ_ಠ)
That doesn't matter, it's been decided on a whim by a minority.
@Geobits Peter's endless quest to fight ambiguity sometimes comes off as abrasive, though, to some people. He's a great guy, though, and very helpful for getting sandboxed stuff ready for main.
though though though though though
@Geobits You could at least appease me and answer my taco question
Sandpaper is good sometimes. I'd rather have that than one who's out to make friends more than improve quality, at least.
@Calvin'sHobbies The ASCII art one? Have you met me? I don't do ASCII art :P
4:22 AM
@Geobits Agreed. I'm just saying, I don't know that he'd be popular enough with people to win an election. I'd support him, but I don't know about the majority of the site.
I mean the actual art, like (( or something. I was gonna use it in a mini challenge
@Mego Ah. Elections. Yea, maybe that's true. I think the election system is bit flawed in that respect.
@Geobits ... :(
@Calvin'sHobbies I really don't know. I tried for a minute or two to think of something, but nothing ended up looking like tacos :(
@AlexA. You're the one that wanted tacos.
(and defined mods to be people without tacos)
I've confused myself
What do tacos have to do with moderation
4:25 AM
You should eat them in moderation
I didn't think they had anything to do with it until a moderator told me otherwise.
Now I just assume that's part of the SE Moderator Agreement.
The Taco Clause
With sour cream it's the Taco Clause Supreme.
@Geobits I think the elections system is fine. With the recent removal of one of SFF's mods, it shows that abrasive people may be great as users, but not great as mods. The ideal mod is well-respected, well-liked, and positively contributes to the community.
@Mego Maybe. I've voted in them in the past, but it always has a high-school-student-council feel to it to me.
4:28 AM
If people don't like a mod, it doesn't matter how much good work the mod does for the site - it has a negative influence on the site.
Hypothesis: Adding xor to an answer approximately doubles the number of upvotes it receives.
@Geobits Election Time!
Hypothesis: Blatantly copying somebody else's answer and posting it as the same language, but different version brings in lots of downvotes
4:31 AM
Hypothesis: Exhibiting blatant copying in chat results in even more downvotes (except from Conor)
I have no issue with calling out someone in chat for blatantly copying an answer
@ETHproductions does Japt have any variables that can be used for variable names?
I don't either, just adding to the hypothesis chain.
And I certainly don't have a problem downvoting blatant copies ;)
So, I've been reading through the chat moderation Meta.SE threads
4:33 AM
This gem
> The Comms Room is more suspicious of someone who doesn't drop F-bombs.
Mini-ch: Given a nonzero integer n, output a posiburger (|] with n layers or a negaburger [|) with -n layers, depeding on the sign. e.g. -3 -> [|||), 5 -> (|||||].
@Mego I'd like to think that I contribute positively to the community... but I don't think anyone likes or respects me.
@AlexA. I respect you. You're just fun to mess around with.
@Calvin'sHobbies Java: class A{public static void main(String[]a){ oh screw it.
4:35 AM
@Calvin'sHobbies <3
@Calvin'sHobbies n=input();a=abs(n);print('[%d)'%('|'*a))[::n/a] Python 2
@AlexA. I like and respect you. See Calvin's answer
@Calvin'sHobbies TI-BASIC can do this in about 80 bytes, I think
(not that anyone cares)
@Mego <3
,;'|*'('[@++`R```(0>Iƒ will work I think (Seriously)
4:38 AM
cba to test it
Good night guys
cant be activated?
@Calvin'sHobbies close enough
assed/arsed, depending on locale.
4:40 AM
Input N:N<0→S:"(:If S:"[:For(X,1,abs(N:Ans+"|:End:Ans+sub("])",S+1,1
48 bytes, if I'm counting correctly and that actually works. Better than I thought.
The : need to be replaced with newlines so it works without close-quotes. Same byte count.
What challenge are you guys doing?
The one I just starred
(I think it's useful to star chat challenges; don't y'all?)
9 mins ago, by Calvin's Hobbies
Mini-ch: Given a nonzero integer n, output a posiburger (|] with n layers or a negaburger [|) with -n layers, depeding on the sign. e.g. -3 -> [|||), 5 -> (|||||].
@phase We're doing the "ungolf o.c" challenge
@ThomasKwa Agreed
4:44 AM
@Mego I don't believe that could be accomplished. A lot of our aliases are recursive.
You should cap the input so nobody dies trying to eat one of these posi/nega-burgers. 5 layers is already a bit much.
@Mego How does this work? Is that an empty function literal I see?
@phase So it's in the recursively-enumerable category :P
@Geobits Not a problem; the negaburgers cancel out the posiburgers
Do they destroy each other on contact? If so, that seems fun to watch.
4:47 AM
@ThomasKwa Yep. Get input, dupe, push "|", repeat n times (n = input), push "(", push "]", swap, concat x2, push `R`, push `` (empty function literal), rotate copy of n back to top, if n > 0 push empty function, else push `R`, execute function on top
It should actually be instead of >
The majority of the code is deciding whether or not to flip the burger :P
Sounds like you need a bifurcate operator
Wait, never mind
I was, momentarily, being an idiot
4:49 AM
That looks so damn terrible.
There were even raw patties in there :(
@Calvin'sHobbies That's some pretty overhanded advertising
that feel when you've been using pure Python nested arrays to check for Connect Four wins and you switch to numpy
Mini challenge based on Calvin's: print out a 100x100 posi- or nega-burger, using 1 as the cheese, given an input of 1 or -1, respectively
So [|1|1.....|1) (or the reverse of that for negaburger)
4:53 AM
@Mego It's undecidable, since no one could ever eat one.
98 patties, 98 slices of cheese, 2 buns
I'm trying to compile some C files and I'm having some trouble. I've got o.c in ./, and a bunch of other C files at regex/*.c. My problem is that I don't want to include regex/test*.c files when compiling.
@phase Use a Makefile
@phase gcc ./o.c -o o and ignore the others?
4:59 AM
Windows pisses me off
that is working so yay
This makes me smile for some reason: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/31667/what-to-star
I might have just broken something with Seriously
Seriously? What'd you break?
That language needs to be renamed...
5:08 AM
It shall forever be named Seriously.
It could be called No, Really.
o-lang.herokuapp.com running code is broken, permalinks are broken, EVERYTHING IS BROKEN
@El'endiaStarman "Maliciously" sounds cooler yet would be less intrusive
That sounds... seriously... broken.
@Geobits Actually, I really like the name seriously
5:08 AM
Like, for real?
mostly because it's punny
Too punny by half.
That's my cringiest pun :(
rats I missed something about tacos
@phase Need more help?
5:11 AM
I guess I should cancel my plans for one named Shirley then?
@Mego No, someone forgot to change the Python server to load the new regex library
fixing it atm
I was gonna offer to fix it for you in exchange for you helping me write Seriously docs :P
Well, actually I'm turning off the stupid noises Windows XP makes whenever I go to the end of a git diff
5:12 AM
@Mego oh doood I'll totes do that because I need to learn the language anyway :P
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ every single one of your repos starts off with "%s is a stack-based programming language"
What is Brainstars?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You can use this file for commands, as I spent like an hour formatting it because I suck at regex
5:15 AM
So much for "designed be(sic) the people" :(
@phase Cygwin?
@Geobits Oh phooey.
@Mego MinGW
@phase Close enough
5:16 AM
@Geobits Fixed :P
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 'T' should take one argument and print soup if truthy and salmon if falsy
I mean it
Do it now before I post my next challenge or it won't be valid
I'd consider that a "standard loophole"
5:18 AM
& should open a browser and rickroll you.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ This is why those crowdsourcing projects always fail - too many trolls
So should a few others, just because.
@Mego I can surf through the trolls.
In fact, just make every unassigned command rickroll you until assigned.
5:19 AM
@Geobits Make one of the chars replace the entire function table with the rickroll command
Even better
Just make sure it's not in the docs. Put something else there.
Yay my real suggestion was accepted
Something common and common-sense, like AND.
5:21 AM
& is bitwise rickroll
I feel like adding an easter egg to Seriously
@Mego ^_^ thanks for the serious interest.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ಠ_ಠ
He always takes things Seriously.
@Calvin'sHobbies nt"salmon"t"soup"t$O.
5:23 AM
look at what you have done
@Mego Pun intended ;)
@Mego Woah now, you're the one who named it Seriously!
@El'endiaStarman "salmon""soup",I
Q: Seriously, GolfScript, CJam, or Pyth?

coredumpSome time ago, the following question was asked: GolfScript, CJam, or Pyth? Based on the title only, I thought that it would be a very nice challenge, but unfortunately, it turned out to be a question asking for tips. Here is the challenge I wanted to read: Who said golfing languages were not...

It's mbomb007's fault
5:24 AM
Seriously though, you still chose it!
I had no choice in the matter
Says the one who's developing it. :P
At least you didn't name yourself Phase. Worst decision I ever made in life. Well, maybe I'm just going through a phase.
@phase I like that username :D
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ <2
5:26 AM
That name wouldn't faze me. I've seen worse.
@phase What is less than two? :/
At least one lonely number exists below 2.
It's the loneliest number.
@AlexA. Plus a constant
5:28 AM
@phase There also happens to be a good song about this.
Have we had a challenge on identifying every pixel/square a line passes through?
I think so
Now seriously, good night. ^_^
This one is close @El'endiaStarman
G'night! :)
5:31 AM
Q: Grid crossing sequence

xnorIf you take a sheet of graph paper and draw a sloped line that goes m units right and n units up, you cross n-1 horizontal and m-1 vertical gridlines in some sequence. Write code to output that sequence. For example, m=5 and n=3 gives: Possibly related: Generating Euclidian rhythms, Fibonacci...

@ThomasKwa My idea would basically be a duplicate. Thanks! :)
you could do it in multiple dimensions, maybe?
@Mego so how do you want le docs?
Anyone up for a challenge race? We both have an hour to make a challenge and the one with the most upvotes wins!
Too late for me tonight. Maybe another day?
5:33 AM
@Calvin'sHobbies /me posts immediately from Sandbox :P
@Calvin'sHobbies at 0500Z?
this is like the least active time
oh wait, you mean an hour to compose the challenge?
@ThomasKwa Meh, it gets more active. I often post around this time
Yea, I'd say an hour to compose, two days to tally votes sounds good, right?
Speaking of which, @Calvin'sHobbies, do you think the -30% bonus I included is good?
Unfortunately, my best challenge type (vote-wise) seems to be KotH, and those take slightly more than a hour from conception to posting.
5:37 AM
@El'endiaStarman Maybe. I was thinking you could measure how much bigger you euclidean code is vs manhattan to get an estimate of the bonus.
Guys, I did something my Math professor hadn't seen before.
For a sanity check
@Calvin'sHobbies That's basically what I did. Manhattan: 211; Euclidean: 327.
In terms of lines of code.
@Justin I'm going to need more details unless you want me to make an off-color comment about this ;)
5:38 AM
Basically, I used L'Hospital's rule in reverse
Though not so much off-color as just...weird or unexpected.
@Justin ....go on....
@Calvin'sHobbies So should I make the bonus bigger to incentivize it? 40%?
@El'endiaStarman Oh idk, 30 sounds good
Rather than using $\lim_{x\to a}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)} = \lim_{x\to a}\frac{f'(x)}{g'(x)}$ when we meet certain conditions, I went from $\lim_{x\to a}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}$ to $\lim_{x\to a}\frac{F(x)}{G(x)}$, where $F'(x) = f(x)$ and $G'(x) = g(x)$. Made a proof 3 lines long rather than 8.
5:41 AM
I love having ChatJax. :D
@El'endiaStarman download where now what yes please
oh wow
5:45 AM
Here was the actual problem I did: Let $f$ be differentiable on an interval $A$ containing 0, and $(x_n)$ be a sequence in $A - \{0\}$, with $(x_n)\to 0$. If $f(x_n) = 0 \forall n\in \mathbb N$ and $f$ is twice differentiable at 0, show that $f''(0) = 0$. (Well, that's part b, part a was showing that $f(0) = f'(0) = 0$)
^ my mind has already exploded
@El'endiaStarman do you have a link?
3 mins ago, by El'endia Starman
@phase Link.
@Seadrus 4 lines below
@phase Markdown, in the docs/ folder
5:47 AM
@Mego I was doing RST because RTD has waaaaay more support for RST
@phase That's cool too
Organize commands by type of first operand
the link is dead for me
@Seadrus then u be ded
5:47 AM
haha right
Oh wait
So have a page for numeric commands, string commands, list commands, and function commands
And misc commands that are 0-arity (like the infamous N)
$\omega$ test
Wait, we have a slave labor volunteer force for writing documentation now?
5:49 AM
@phase :3
I have a language that needs to be documented
@feersum oh lordy
I will document your language if you will implement mine
@Seadrus Do you have Chrome?
@El'endiaStarman Yeah
1 min ago, by Seadrus
Oh wait
"it is working now"
5:49 AM
Ah, that part was missing. :P
$ahhh cool latex stuff \sc hi$
$just chillin$
$\displaystyle x = \frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}$
$\frac{1}{2}$ im so cul
@Mego what about a page for complex stuff? just in the numeric-ssss?
@phase Yep, since there's very little complex-specific stuff
5:52 AM
doood rad
$$\lim_{x\to 0}{\frac{e^x-1}{2x}}\overset{\left[\frac{0}{0}\right]}\underset{\mathrm{H}}{=}}\‌​lim_{x\to 0}{\frac{e^x}{2}}={\frac{1}{2}}$$
aw shisct what did I do wrong
Here was my proof: $f$ is continuous, so $$f(0) = \lim_{x \to 0} f(x) = \lim_{n \to \infty} f(x_n)\\ f'(0) = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{f(x)}{x} = \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{f(x_n)}{x_n} = \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{0}{x_n} = 0$$. $$f''(0) = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{f'(x) - f'(0)}{x - 0} = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{f'(x)}{x} = L$$ For some $L$, because $f$ was twice differentiable at 0. By L'Hospital's rule, $$L = \lim_{x\to 0} \frac{f(x)}{\frac12x^2} = \lim_{n\to\infty} \frac{f(x_n)}{\frac12x^2} = 0$$
Can we stop with the LaTeX, please? It eats up a lot of screen space and is getting really annoying
5:54 AM
Sorry... I really like my proof...
@Mego It's mere discussion.
Why is that message getting starred? I don't understand
@Justin People will star literally anything here, it's really dumb
It's a good thing they're anonymous, otherwise you'd know it was me. oh wait
@Justin Your proof is neat. But, using LaTeX that much makes it very hard to carry on other conversations, as that one single message shoves a lot of others up and off-screen.
5:56 AM
Only if you turn on LaTeX...
You can turn it off? That's news to me
You should only see it if you have the extension enabled.
If you don't use an extension, then it's worse because the messages are only spam.
@Mego For me, ChatJax is a bookmark; simply reload the page and it's off.
5:57 AM
Oh neat, the MathJax button will disable it
@feersum Unless you read LaTeX like the back of your hand, like I do.
@feersum valid point
Why do you write things on your hand? For exams?
I just ask that you please be mindful of other conversations going on :)
what if we compiled mathjax
5:58 AM
@Mego There were other conversations going on?
Python seems to be looking at my return statement and going "lolnope"
I'm not being sarcastic or anything.
@El'endiaStarman Mine and phase's about docs, for one
I'm being (sigh) serious.
hi, I exist!
@Mego just pushed the basic files for the commands
5:59 AM
That language name decision is simultaneously the best and worst decision I have made

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