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12:15 AM
I guess if your domino layout is sparse enough, one pixel is enough
 
12:36 AM
posted my answer to the 7-segment display question
@Sparr final gif was only 36MB! visualmelon.onl/7segdisp.gif
 
1:23 AM
@VisualMelon i.imgur.com/KadZw3e.gif 650kB
 
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Stretch ManiacMove By Arrows Lets say I was writing something, and I accidentally wrote it in the wrong box: +-------+--------+ | Verbs | Nouns | +-------+--------+ | Truck | | | eat | Banana | | | Car | +-------+--------+ So I, being lazy, merely draw an arrow to the space it should be:...

 
 
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5:35 AM
Hello all
 
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Beta DecayCalculate the nth Triacontakaitetragon number code-golf A triacontakaitetragon (let's TCKgon for now) is a 34 sided polygon. I want you to calvulate the nth TCKgonal number. A TCKgonal number is like a square number or a triangular number, but with a TCKgon. To calculate the nth number, you ne...

 
7:25 AM
@Geobits for divisor 7 I only get 19694518 Total matches, got to j=86785434 ... sorry about that, I'll try with larger divisors
does javac have some optimisation flags that are worth turning on?
 
7:43 AM
22321132 Total matches, got to j=89411141 for 8... wow, either my laptop is really slow or yours is really fast
 
I think I have an idea for a question that's a little too rough for the sandbox
 
I need to catch a train, I'll read it later ;)
 
i'll post it later, then; I don't think anyone else is alive
 
(PS: I've still got some triangle centre code lying around that's waiting to be golfed ^^)
 
Okay; I'm going to bed soon, but I'll be around tomorrow. 'later
 
 
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9:15 AM
@Sparr thanks!
 
@VisualMelon your circuit is mental! :D
I love that you actually appended the 7-segment display
 
detail of the display can be seen at visualmelon.onl/7segdisplaydetail1.png
 
sweet :)
@Geobits when you wake up, could you maybe try to run my julia reference implementation for about 10 minutes to see if it's actually the difference between our computers' performance? julia: julialang.org/downloads
 
9:37 AM
@Sparr I presume you won't mind if I include your smaller gif in my answer ?
 
10:34 AM
@Rainbolt are you still looking for arguments to use single tips questions instead of answer lists? it would have avoided yesterday's "should we have two lists for different versions of the same language?" discussion.
 
10:58 AM
if you post on meta, I'm sure someone with enough rep will vote to reopen though
 
11:24 AM
that was in the wrong room...
I noticed that very quickly...
 
11:56 AM
@Rainbolt hi
hi
 
@user2179021 hi
hi
 
12:13 PM
all quiet on codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/37620/… .. maybe everyone is exhausted :)
 
maybe. I think it's actually quite a nice question, but I couldn't be bothered yesterday to write a submission. although I'm not sure I'd perform much better than the naive solution (mismatches + length difference)
are you gonna write a submission for False Positives? :P
 
what do you mean by a submission for false positives?
 
my False Positives on an Integer Lattice challenge
 
I can think of a very straightforward way to at least do a little better potentially
oh I see
let me take a look
you already have some good answers it seems
 
I haven't tested Peter's yet, but I'm very sure the other two can be beaten without too much trouble.
 
12:56 PM
@PeterTaylor regarding the challenge you gold-nuked, I think disregarding spaces and including symbols make the challenge sufficiently different
 
Mine's not nearly as good as the hard-coded ones, although it might be a better use of the remainder of the 10 minutes after outputting those special cases.
 
I see. so it'll probably boil down to rather small differences beyond 28k in the end?
 
I'm still not used to my vote being enough to close, but... Including symbols is irrelevant for most of the answers.
Probably, yes, unless someone comes up with a better way of finding the lattice points at a given radius.
I've done a bit of looking around, but the standard approach seems to be walking around the circle. Most people don't even bother with the Bresenham optimisation.
 
well okay... doesn't seem to be problematic though... all it does is offset all competitive scores by a constant
 
There is another way of doing it, but it requires factoring the radius-squared.
So I doubt it's any faster.
 
1:00 PM
do you count the cross product of all solutions for two colliding squared moduli?
 
@MartinBüttner Not on my desktop now, but I can run the Julia version later to see. If you have to bump it to 10 that's not a problem, that's why I left it to be tweaked.
 
Of course.
 
I just need to modify the score afterward.
 
As I commented in my answer, I was surprised that some things I'd expect to improve performance made it worse.
I did only test those for 20 seconds rather than the full 10 minutes, but the difference was quite marked.
I suppose maybe they would do better if the JIT has longer to kick in.
 
1:02 PM
hm, interesting
now that we have a floating-point tag I was wondering what we could fill it with (other than N variations of "let's have fun with floating-point inaccuracy). I was thinking what might make an interesting golf is to implement some floating point operation without floating point types. that is, given two integer (whose bits are to be interpreted as floats), return the sum of the two floats (again as a reinterpreted integer) using only arithmetic/bitwise operators.
if that sounds interesting, I'll try to condense the IEEE spec for addition into a sandbox post
 
Rainbolt complained that my scoring function at codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/37620/… didn't make sense. It seems ok to me
does it seem broken to anyone else?
 
@PeterTaylor whoa: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/37705/8478 (I'll have to check if that's correct)
 
@user2179021 Let me paste it here to study: "Your score will be the optimal edit distance, divided by the edit distance you find, multiplied by 100."
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

WrzlprmftHardware Random-Number Generator code-golf or popularity-contest, random, hardware Challenge Your task is to write a program with the following properties: It prints either 0 or 1 (and nothing else). The output depends on a physical process and not just the internal state of the computer. Th...

 
@user Why not just make it "lowest edit distance found"?
 
1:08 PM
@Geobits people like higher scores to be better
 
Assume the optimal distance is 100
 
and people like score out of 100 :)
 
The rest just complicates it unnecessarily
 
@Rainbolt the optimal distance is given in the input
as you get closer to it you get nearer 100
 
Oh I misread that miserably
I thought the more edits you found the better
 
1:10 PM
no problem
no :)
 
Haha ignore me
 
It's still more cumbersome than just "edit distance". People here are fine with lowest-wins. Golf and all...
 
well thank you for reading it at all!
@Geobits ok. I hope you won't mind if I keep it as it is . I like a score out of 100%
 
Although there should probably be a tie-breaker.
 
of course what I really need is >0 entry to score :)
@Geobits ah yes. A good point!!
 
1:11 PM
code golf tiebreaker?
Seems easy
 
Meh. I'm not a fan of code-challenges that use golf as a tiebreaker, tbh.
 
time seems better
 
It's okay and all, just not... optimal IMO.
 
just means I need to be able to run the code
it will be interesting if there is a tie break
tie-break added
@PeterTaylor do you think I have left enough time to award the win in codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/37484/… ?
looks like justhalf won
 
@user2179021 you can always reassign the checkmark if a better solution comes along
 
1:17 PM
true
ok win being given.....
the winning answers are amazingly good
I mean the top answers
 
The general feeling used to be that a week was a good time to leave it before selecting an answer, because that gave people enough time to start working on one.
But with the increased question rate, 4 days is probably enough.
 
ok thanks
 
People who haven't started working on it and who are discouraged by seeing a checkmark have plenty of other options.
 
like my next challenge :)
 
posted:
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Q: Find the Chromatic Number

Martin BüttnerSurprisingly, we haven't had any challenges on graph colouring yet! Given an undirected graph, we can give each vertex a colour such that no two adjacent vertices share the same colour. The smallest number χ of distinct colours necessary to achieve this is called the chromatic number of the grap...

I hope people don't mind if I ask for some feedback for this again:
12 mins ago, by Martin Büttner
now that we have a floating-point tag I was wondering what we could fill it with (other than N variations of "let's have fun with floating-point inaccuracy). I was thinking what might make an interesting golf is to implement some floating point operation without floating point types. that is, given two integer (whose bits are to be interpreted as floats), return the sum of the two floats (again as a reinterpreted integer) using only arithmetic/bitwise operators.
 
1:20 PM
@MartinBüttner how did you draw the graph?
 
"Found on Wikipedia"
(I would have used Mathematica if I had to, though)
 
ok thanks
 
The instructions for the submission directory for the sandbox are all nice and proper, but you need 1000 reputation to edit that post.
 
@Wrzlprmft done
 
@user2179021 Inkscape is also quite nice for making such graphs, if you know how.
 
1:22 PM
@Wrzlprmf It seems to require you to have a very careful eye unless there is some way to say "attach line to center of X"
which there might be :)
 
@MartinBüttner Thanks, but it would be nice if this issue was addressed in general – be it by only remarking this in the instructions
@user2179021 There is: diagram connectors
 
interesting, thanks
 
@MartinBüttner @Geobits @Rainbolt @PeterTaylor It's really comforting to always see you guys online when I hop in here.
 
@Wrzlprmft also done
 
@Flonk It's easy to keep a tab open and wait for pings to show up :D
 
1:25 PM
@Flonk Good thing you weren't in here yesterday
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I changed it back since it got starred
 
:D
I still need to get used to this chat's layout though
 
@Flonk I am actually here, but it will also claim I'm here when I'm not. I have an open tab in my browser at home, and I'm still trying to factor Dennis' 512-bit semiprime from the lockers and crackers so I'm not currently putting my home computer to sleep at all.
 
I have to say, scarves are a lot more complimentary than cellophane when it comes to faces.
 
1:28 PM
flu masks even more so (obviously not a big fan of scarves :) )
 
@Rainbolt why, thank you :D
 
@Rainbolt I'd say it suits me pretty well!
 
Geobits' fedora and creepy eye look kind of angry
(I'm judging everyone now)
I've always thought Peter Taylor was a gay guy because of his pseudo rainbow
I miss ProgrammerDan. He looked like a pothead
 
This coming from the guy with a disembodied block of dirt for a head.
 
@Geobits You're makin' me blush
 
1:31 PM
You might want to touch up your hair color, though. Your roots are showing.
4
 
gets punned to death.
 
@PeterTaylor fractional vertex colouring might still be nice for a code challenge, I think... although I don't expect more than two answers for that :D
 
I'm going to sandbox a tweaked version of the Create Your Wolf KotH and see how many people think it's a duplicate. I think I'll use it as an experiment to see how people react to some of the controversial topics on meta.
 
will it involve lists? ;)
 
1. If you fess up to being one of 23 specific people, you lose automatically.
 
1:37 PM
lol
24
unless one of them is immune for some reason ^^
 
Wait a second! I have an idea!
 
Uh oh
 
The problem with disqualifying people based on downvotes was the net loss in rep right?
What if you had to qualify to participate?
You needed a positive number of votes to make it into the competition
Like +3 minimum
 
Wouldn't that just tip it the other way with no real gain in quality?
As in more rep for the same posts we're getting now.
 
We'd still get crappy posts but I could safely ignore the bad ones.
Assuming bad posts hover around zero or one votes
So the competition itself would at least have quality submissions
 
1:41 PM
I think it might trip up newer posts, also, since they generally get less votes.
 
Oh wait. This has the exact same problem I just realized
I could still downvote everyone else just to disqualify them
If I made x = 1, my vote could be enough to include newer posts
 
I think "does it follow the damned rules" is a pretty good DQ test :D
Assuming the rules are done right, of course.
 
The problem is subjective rules.
 
Agreed, but voting is even more subjective ;)
or at least more unpredictable, IMO.
 
Then how does pop contest exist? The winning criteria is rock solid, and not subjective at all
How it gets there is a little fuzzy
 
1:43 PM
Right, the winning criteria is objective, but the voting criteria is not.
 
I wanted to enforce rules like no duplicates, because King of the Hill challenges (at least the two that I've done) seem to have that problem more than others and they go unnoticed
 
speaking of which, we still haven't made the koth "loopholes" in the tag wiki default
 
At least IMO, many popcon winners aren't the best entry at all.
@Rainbolt Duplicates in koth are tricky. For some games it's hard not to get dupes, since there are limited "good" plays.
 
Then the first person to post gets the cake
 
Agreed, but the dupe logic is often buried in fluff so it's harder to spot.
 
1:46 PM
Many people predicted that the dumb wolf would win. It lost to some kind of super computer wolf.
 
@VisualMelon did you see the smaller gif?
 
Yea, my lazy wolf was winning until around the 20th entry. That's why I bountied it, I couldn't stand to see it win.
 
Oh right that was you lol
 
@Sparr I did, and I included it in my answer (credited), hope you don't mind
 
not at all
 
1:47 PM
Didn't mean to call it dumb. Should have called it lazy. Obviously there is a difference.
 
it was a bit dodgy at times in my browser, presumably skipping frames, but it's light enough for me to not feel bad inlining it
 
Well, it's a bit of both.
 
@VisualMelon actually don't see it in your answer
 
@Sparr I assure you it's there ;) It's above the image of the last frame
 
@VisualMelon codegolf.stackexchange.com/posts/36364/revisions says you haven't edited your answer since Aug 22
 
1:52 PM
@Sparr the NAND gate answer
 
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A: Drive a hexadecimal 7-segment display using NAND logic gates

VisualMelonDominoes - Total Score: 243 NANDs ORs used: 61 (3 NANDs each -> 183 NANDs) NOTs used: 60 (1 NANDs each -> 60 NANDs) This solution is in dominoes and required a collection of pieces of software I wrote in the course of answering Martin Büttner's two Domino related questions to produce (Golfing...

 
oh
got it
I didn't even know that was a challenge
 
2:03 PM
I think I've become a ghost
let me try again:
57 mins ago, by Martin Büttner
now that we have a floating-point tag I was wondering what we could fill it with (other than N variations of "let's have fun with floating-point inaccuracy). I was thinking what might make an interesting golf is to implement some floating point operation without floating point types. that is, given two integer (whose bits are to be interpreted as floats), return the sum of the two floats (again as a reinterpreted integer) using only arithmetic/bitwise operators.
(if I still don't get any opinions I'll probably just take it as "nah, sounds boring" :D)
 
chirp
 
What would happen if I gave you facts rather than opinions?
Would it still be considered boring?
 
@Rainbolt depends on the facts :P
so what are your facts? ^^
 
You can fill it with things other than "Let's have fun with floating-point accuracy." If you think it's interesting, then it's interesting to someone. If you flesh out your idea and then post it in the sandbox, you might get better feedback.
Ok that was bad
I tried though
 
lol okay
 
2:10 PM
Fact: Over the course of a lifetime, humans shed an average of 40 lbs of skin.
 
Using the words "interesting" and "better" in a factual statement is an art form I have yet to master
 
I'll try to write up a spec tonight
 
I'm getting pretty tired of Dilbert
 
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Q: Implement an IEEE 754 64-bit binary floating point number through integer manipulation

Joe Z.(I've tagged the question "C" for the time being, but if you're aware of another language that supports unions, you can also use that.) Your task is to build the four standard mathematical operators + - * / for the following struct: union intfloat{ double f; uint8_t h[8]; uint16_t i...

 
so much for that :)
thanks
I also see that it was very successful :D
 
2:12 PM
It might have done better with a more detailed spec.
 
well too late
there's still the square root though :D
I'm afraid of even looking at the IEEE 754 spec of the square root algorithm though
 
It will say something along the lines of "Must give the correct result" ;)
It's the rounding that's where the real issues lie.
 
yes, that sounds likely
 
I cannot find the IEEE 754-2008 spec... is it not free or something? my IEEE membership ran out 5months ago
 
standards not being free... some people...
 
2:27 PM
I don't know enough about the real world to know if what I just said was stupid or not
 
ah okay, it's here ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/…
but there definitely are standards which you can't get your hands on without paying for
 
Um. Did you click on the "Sign in or Purchase" button?
$88 or $71 for members
 
I clicked on the "Full Text as PDF" button... but maybe some institutional single sign-on was still active
ahhhhh yes
so much for free standards...
 
how am I suppose to show off C# struct layout when I can't even look at the standard! :(
 
I wouldn't do it with structs... just a single integer of the same width and bit magic
 
2:30 PM
(my presence on PPCG is just one extended advert for how much I love C#)
@MartinBüttner C# doesn't have unions of that variety
but you can build a struct which has a float and int in the same memory space
 
@VisualMelon it's amazing how much one can love a programming language without having anything to compare it to :D (unless I'm mixing you up with someone else and you do know other languages)
@VisualMelon you wouldn't need to reinterpret/cast/union the integer back to a float
 
that is a good point... you don't even need the float
well I won't bother then ;)
 
I'd just provide test cases, which I'd create with floats and reinterpret them as integers (so integer in, integer out)
 
@MartinBüttner I started with VBA, then I learned VB.NET because VB6 wasn't free, then I learned C#, and at some point I became a competent programmer
 
ah okay
 
2:33 PM
at some point I also learned PHP and (My)SQL, but I hate the web infrastructure so I just try and stay away from it as much as I can
 
coming from basic, that's very understandable :D
 
oh, I also know C/C++
by which I don't mean I know both... I know C++, but I only used vector, string, and the C libraries ;)
(can't stand the C++ IO stuff)
while I'm at it, I also learned Ruby at one point, didn't like it, am subjected to Python all the time and have done work with it, don't like it, and I'm trying to learn F#, I'm pretty sure I don't like it, but it has some things that I wish C# had
 
okay I must be mixing you up with someone else
 
@VisualMelon It's pretty normal to hate PHP.
 
@Flonk indeed, but I don't think you can quite appreciate how much I hate it
one evening, the day before my first University exam, my father emailed me saying that one of his websites had broken (I say the day before, it was 12:00 AM)
it's a mangle of PHP and MySQL myself and some friends wrote in the past
an hour of debugging later, I fixed it by adding a space to a SQL query that was never run in a file that wasn't the file where the bug was
after that I drank 250ml of Ingredients Lemon juice, and went to bed
 
2:39 PM
@VisualMelon I hope you still passed your exam though!
But yes.. I've had my fair share of shouting at 1000s of lines of weakly typed PHP-code for hours on end
 
@Flonk it was horrible - worst 2 hours of my life, but I got 66% module average, so it can't have gone too badly
 
years ago, when JavaScript was much more horrible than it is today, I had a bug which Internet Explorer report to be in a line that wasn't even JS (i.e. HTML). while playing around with it, I noticed that changing the case of a letter in a string (which should not have mattered) changed the line where the bug was reported - to another one outside of the JS code...
 
@MartinBüttner I feel your anguish
 
Legacy software and a legacy programming language. ugh
 
today I'm actually quite fond of JS
but that happened long before there was such a thing as Firebug
well not "long" before. but before.
 
2:44 PM
I'd still prefer a more strongly typed language for the web, but yeah, JS has come a long way :)
JS engines are becoming crazy fast
 
TypeScript?
 
okay, i'm awake
 
@Rainbolt btw my earlier message regarding single tips questions as opposed to lists was completely serious. just in case it seemed like some cheeky stab at yesterday's argument ;)
@EricTressler I'm curious! :)
 
@MartinBüttner do you have time to listen to a question idea before I sandbox it?
 
ninja'd :P
(yes)
 
2:53 PM
okay, so we're on an n x n grid, and begin at 0,0
 
Yeah TypeScript is cool and these days you can even compile C and Haskell to JS using emscripten, but in the end it's still this oddball JavaScript (which is only as cool as it is because of Google's V8)
 
there are goals at some k points (x_k,y_k)
the catch to all of this is: it's a desert, and (0,0) is the only water source
and you can only carry k units of water (let's just say 100)
so you can move, leave arbitrary amounts of water wherever you like, and then return to get more water. you can refill to a max of 100 from any of your stashes you run across
each 1-unit move in an orthogonal direction (the only kind allowed), uses 1 water
you're not allowed to run out of water. the object is to reach all of the goals and return to (0,0) in as few total trips as possible
 
total trips? or total moves?
 
trips
 
hm
what's the benefit of leaving water anywhere?
ah I think I see it
 
2:57 PM
it extends your range beyond 50.
 
yes, okay
sounds like an interesting challenge, but I'm not sure I (personally) could be bothered to solve it
 
this is probably harder than the search party problem, but it seems cool. certainly easier conditions to check
 
it's the sort of challenge I would spend time on if no one else had, because I know I wouldn't do a good job of it
 
yeah, i don't even know if it is reducible to a solved problem. it might have something to do with sperner trees
 
It's a complicated graph search problem.
So reducible to Dijkstra's algorithm, although not necessarily via a polynomial reduction
 
3:00 PM
speaking of the horror party, I did write a solution, but my original plan was too boring, and it slowly morphed into something essentially the same as Martin's
 
@PeterTaylor are you sure it's a graph problem, and not at least a geometric graph problem?
Unless you count the unoccupied grid spaces as vertices
I suppose to really be a geometric graph problem, real coordinates would have to be allowed
so, in the sense that it's discrete, it's trivially not technically geometric... but it still probably involves Sperner-like trees
 
@MartinBüttner I didn't take it like a cheeky stab. Don't worry :)
 
@VisualMelon Did you use the buddy system, too?
 
@MartinBüttner It was helpful, but I won't be reposting it on meta (along with my own points) anytime soon. It would come across like a personal crusade if I posted it.
 
@VisualMelon that was the major drawback to Martin's solution, I think. IIRC, he had the teams walking in the exact same path, on top of each other
 
3:04 PM
@Rainbolt I think I could jump on board, but I feel like there are certain tips, which are too microscopic to possibly be the answer to any question.
 
@EricTressler I had pretty much the same behaviour as his answer described, just mine was flooded with random numbers with increasingly expensive constraints
 
@Rainbolt like the fourth tip in this answer. Question: "How can I save bytes for semicolons in JS?" Answer: "Omit them."
 
I was trying originally to give some personality to each class of actor, but it didn't work out
 
@VisualMelon thanks for trying, anyway. I did deliberately set out to make it impossible to solve with a non-heuristic algorithm
 
yeah, it was good fun to watch
actually, the reason I stopped was I couldn't run the controller
(I wrote my own visualizer for testing)
 
3:07 PM
oh, that's too bad. I don't know Python3 versus 2, really; that controller is basically the only thing I've written in Python for 2 years
 
yeah, Python 3 works on my machine, but Python 2 just refuses to install
and it was becoming a lot of effort to test something I was probably not going to be happy with
(the fact that my computer hasn't turned off since March might have something to do with it not installing, I'd hate to give the wrong impression here)
 
I understand. I ought to format my computer, but I can't at the moment, because I'm on a severely limited internet connection and it would take me whole weeks to download and reinstall the things I use on a daily basis
 
3:22 PM
@MartinBüttner I'd personally downvote that question because it shows little research effort
But I couldn't think of a good reason to close it. Welcome to the world of every other stack exchange
I'm envisioning a PPCG that is the same as everyone else plus challenges
And then finally, I can destroy the challenges themselves
And we'll all be the same
 
I didn't figure you'd be high on the conformity agenda ;)
 
On the contrary, I love standardization. But part of my last stream of comments was a joke. I hope it came across that way at least
 
It did, no worries. Well, assuming you mean the last two.
 
Right. The third to last one in that block was serious
 
I was joking about you wanting to avoid sensitive issues with your CEO :D
 
3:26 PM
Oh haha
 
@Rainbolt hm yes, I'd like that too. I guess there's still Peter's "non-challenge questions dilute the front page argument"... but specific tips questions kinda are no different from micro-challenges.
 
@Geobits I had completely forgotten about that. I'm going to continue freaking about about it now.
I can't call Mom, because she doesn't know about my religious beliefs (or lack of)
I just know he's going to ask me what Church I go to
If I try "I haven't been much lately but I need to go" then that's a lie.
If I leave off the "but I need to go" he might judge me
 
what exactly is this real world issue you are contemplating ?
 
My CEO invited me to do this charity thing with him. It involves two hours of driving and delivering food to disabled people
He's super religious (Christian to be more specific)
 
Do you know enough about Christianity to talk intelligently with someone about it?
 
3:32 PM
I was confirmed a Lutheran and I've read the Bible
I probably know more than he does
Especially given my tendency to question it more than he did
 
If so, you have all the specifics you need, and can simply say that you've fallen out of it in recent years. He may try to preach you back in, but most will understand that young people fluctuate.
 
he did say super religious (emphasis mine)
 
Right. The company is named after the first book of the Bible
Our logo is a dove, which only symbolizes peace because of a story in the Bible
Coincidentally that story is from the first book (didn't know that until JUST now lol)
 
I get that, and while he may privately think you're going to hell, if you tell him you've been confirmed and can speak about it in general, most don't absolutely dismiss a lapse in faith as outright evil.
 
I hope it doesn't get that far. I don't actually want to divulge my beliefs
 
3:37 PM
Fun fact: releasing a dove at the end of the flood comes from the Epic of Gilgamesh, which the Bible basically ripped off (or at least had a common ancestor).
 
Interesting!
I wonder if they know that
 
Why on earth would they want to know that?
 
Because our logo is a dove. And our name is Genesis
It seems relevant to know where all of that came from
It would be neat to tell customers who ask that
 
It doesn't change the fact that it happens in Genesis also. In my experience, the most ardent believers are the ones least likely to want to know where it actually comes from.
 
I'm just happy that I might have something to add if our CEO is slow to the draw when the next customer asks "Where did your logo come from"
If he doesn't know that, it's sure to get me brownie points
And I wouldn't be worried about being quizzed on my religion in front of a customer
 
3:41 PM
If your CEO is as religious as you imply, that may not be the wisest course of action :D
Some take offense when you imply that the Bible isn't a completely original historical account written by the hand of God.
 
yeah, like the pagan holidays that were reappropriated... probably not a good topic of conversation
 
Lutherans take the Bible as literally as believing that a flood actually happened, but even my pastor admitted that he didn't think it happened like that. Baptists, Methodists, and Catholics take a much less literal approach.
I doubt it would offend many to know that the story was borrowed
The moral is what is really important
No sodomy, no horse fucking, etc.
 
If your company name is Genesis and the logo is a dove, the correct answer is "It comes from the flood story in Genesis". At least that's the politcal way to handle it.
 
@EricTressler Yes. Let the vertices of the graph be n-tuples encoding the amount of water in each cell, the current position, the visited objectives, and the water you're carrying.
 
@Geobits Yea, you have a point
Torn between mentioning something cool and being judged
 
3:45 PM
@PeterTaylor I see. It's almost certainly too expensive to treat that way; it's also too complicated to post as a question
 
It's probably the literal truth as well. When the designers came up with the logo, they were surely inspired by Genesis, not Gilgamesh. So in that sense, the logo does come from Genesis.
 
@Rainbolt consider how long he's likely to remember your cool fact versus how long he'll remember it if it bothers him
 
I totally meant to edit the obscenity out of my comment, and then I got called away for a code review. Now it's too late. Oh well.
It was taking a while because I couldn't Google the correct term without making my history look suspicious. And I always worry that my company tracks my Google searches
 
bestiality?
 
That^
 
3:51 PM
I would love to see you try to explain why you were Googling that.
 
you actually made me look up sodomy because I thought it was synonymous with bestiality (and I think in German usage it is), but apparently not!
 
Sodomy is far too broad a term for my taste :D
 
It's technically a superset of beastiality and homosexuality
Because Sodom (a person) had sex with other men and with animals
 
Most of today's definitions include any non-vaginal intercourse as well, regardless of the gender of the participants.
 
@Rainbolt according to wikipedia it also includes (what geobits said) and other recreational sex
 
3:54 PM
And of course there's this: urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sodomy
> The study of grass-tufted squares of earth, usually placed on a horizontal plane in order to create a lawn, ballfield, or park.

I majored in sodomy while at agricultural school.
That sounds shockingly like your avatar.
 
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