The Pantheon

durron597

12:08 AM

@Semaphore Hey semaphore

Semaphore

Oh! Thanks!

durron597

I made that community wiki. Feel free to edit other awesome facts about yourself

Semaphore

haha i'm super lame though

durron597

@Semaphore You're pretty good at history and Mythology though, that's a start

Yannis Rizos

7:49 AM

@durron597 I don't agree they should be synonyms.

I also feel that any discussion about tags until we have, for example, 1K questions, is a complete waste of time.

Yannis Rizos

8:11 AM

@Christofian Thank you for your kind words.

Ero Sɘnnin

Congrats @Yannis :D

Yannis Rizos

@EroSɘnnin Thanks. And glad to see you throwing your hat in the ring. You, @Semaphore and @senshin are our most active editors so far, and fixing posts - especially from new users - is the bulk of what a beta mod does.

Ero Sɘnnin

I love editing and fixing posts :D Its what I mainly do in Anime.SE

Btw @Yannis did you del-vote these? mythology.stackexchange.com/questions/117/…

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Q: Are all of the monsters in Rick Riordan's Percy Jackson and Heroes of Olympus books canon to Greek mythology?

I'm not asking if they behaved in the same way or had exactly the same abilities. I consider myself rather familiar with Greek myths, but I've never heard of a fair amount of the ones in his stories. I want to know if any he invented any, or that they all mentioned in the myths and he's some s...

greek

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Q: How strong and big was Hercules?

I was reading Greek mythology in the elaboration of Paradowski and I've noticed Hercules was described as 'giant'. It would make his physical strength obvious - being of enormous size means also having enormous strength. I've started imagining Hercules as someone like Rubeus Hagrid. But is it s...

greek hercules

Yannis Rizos

@EroSɘnnin Yes. The Percy Jackson one is unsalvageable imho. The Hercules one could be turned around.

Ero Sɘnnin

8:26 AM

Yes. Could change Hercules into reference-request

I'll just remind @Semaphore to del-vote ^^^

santiago

8:59 AM

great nominations, I have upvoted all of them!

Ero Sɘnnin

:D

Yannis Rizos

9:28 AM

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A: Who should our moderators be?

I would like to nominate Christofian. I would like to invite you to take a quick look at his comment history. The pattern of him mercilessly hunting down sourceless answers is hard to miss. His always-polite-but-firm comments have inspired quite a few of our posters (myself included) to improve ...

naltipar

Isn't it a bit early to make nominations for mods? How will this be taken into consideration?

Ero Sɘnnin

+1 ^_^ He has definitely made the site better

@naltipar Earlier the better?

Yannis Rizos

@naltipar It's early, yes. However, since the Meta q has been posted, there's no harm in posting our nominations.

@EroSɘnnin I have exactly zero comments helping people fix their posts. @Christofian, on the other hand, is close to becoming the site's first meme: Cite your sources, or @Christofian will get you!

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Ero Sɘnnin

XD

Yannis Rizos

@naltipar At this stage (beta), SE appoints the moderators. The nominations is just our feedback.

naltipar

9:34 AM

Thanks for the answers, I was just curious on how that topic would be taken into consideration.

Yes, thanks @YannisRizos I had heard that, that's why I was curious.

Yannis Rizos

At some point they'll start approaching candidates. The people they'll approach may or may not be in the nomination thread.

Ero Sɘnnin

But most of the time its from the thread

Yannis Rizos

@Semaphore @fredsbend Since you've been nominated by other people, you should edit your nominations to let us know if you accept them (alternatively, you could post a comment under the nominations).

Ero Sɘnnin

@Yannis you haven't edited yours yet :P

Yannis Rizos

@EroSɘnnin Yes, they usually don't ignore community feedback unless they have good reason (e.g. a nominee having made an ass of themselves on a different SE site).

Ero Sɘnnin

9:40 AM

lol

or sockpuppets

:P

Ero Sɘnnin

11:06 AM

lol all noms downvoted for 3rd mod

excepted for one

I wunder whoo whoo

naltipar

@YannisRizos and @Semaphore are not downvoted

Ero Sɘnnin

lol all noms for 3rd mod downvoted

**

Yannis Rizos

I don't like seeing nominations downvoted. This is one of the very rare instances where we vote on people, not posts.

Ero Sɘnnin

Ikr :/

if you dont want the person to be nominated, then just dont vote

but noo .. there had to be downvotes

naltipar

I agree with that, I personally don't find a reason to downvote someone as a person.

Yannis Rizos

11:14 AM

That said, I just noticed Semaphore's nomination is at +10. brb, have some downvoting to do ;P

Ero Sɘnnin

Lol

naltipar

:P

Ero Sɘnnin

I'm tempted to downvote the person who downvoted other noms. But then I wouldn't be any different

:P

Ero Sɘnnin

12:09 PM

Lol I'm out of the race

naltipar

Hmm the question about Odin's ravens seems better without my first sentence @YannisRizos. Thanks, I just thought I should include it.

Yannis Rizos

@EroSɘnnin It's not a race. Also, you never know who SE will pick.

Ero Sɘnnin

@YannisRizos Whups. Yes I'm aware of that :)

Yannis Rizos

@naltipar You could post that sentence in a comment, if you will. However, I don't think you should have to explain why you posted the question. It's an interesting question, and you want it answered. That's as good an explanation as any.

naltipar

Ok, I'll keep that in mind.

Yannis Rizos

12:33 PM

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Q: What is the story behind Thor wearing a wedding dress to get Mjölnir back?

I often hear of a story of Loki taking Mjölnir away from Thor and selling it to giants. Thor then gets angry and makes Loki join him in wearing wedding dresses to enter the giants place unnoticed to get it back. What is the actual story behind this and who were these giants and were they actuall...

norse thor mjolnir myth-identification

Our first myth-identification question.

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Q: Is asking for resources and myth identification allowed?

On most SE sites, eventually someone comes along looking for a specific resource. The usually ask a question in the form "Where can I find a [book, site, etc] about [insert topic]?" These aren't necessarily bad, but the community needs to decide if they are allowed or not. The close cousin woul...

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Ixrec

cool, it was specific enough to answer easily

Ero Sɘnnin

woakayy

@Ixrec Yeah. Now that's a good example question for myth-id

Ixrec

12:48 PM

I'm curious how exactly Thor managed to pass himself off as a bride, but apparently it was "the stupidest of the Giants" so maybe a dress was enough

Ero Sɘnnin

Lol

I wonder if the use of cosmetics was involved

Ixrec

I recall many norse characters disguising themselves with magic, so maybe

I still can't quite believe someone passed off the midgard serpent as his cat

Ero Sɘnnin

The gods discuss...

1:10 PM

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Q: Which tag to use for Biblical tales?

Which tag we should use for Biblical stories? My initial idea was to use bible (because of simplicity) tag for myths described in the Bible. However it was changed to abrahamic-religions instead. In my opinion this tag is not so obvious for new people. Should we use abrahamic-religions, bible, ...

discussion tags

El'endia Starman

1:21 PM

A bit late to the party, but my self-nomination.

Yannis Rizos

@Ixrec There's a certain satirical element to the story. The giants are a bit suspect of the bride's manly characteristics, but Loki manages to convince them all is good.

Ixrec

@YannisRizos nice

Yannis Rizos

@Ixrec according to wiki, the comedy is enough for some to theorize that the tale is actually a Christian parody.

naltipar

2:08 PM

Is this really too broad? Comments have argued that the criteria are very specific and I'm 50-50 on this one. mythology.stackexchange.com/questions/219/…

Yannis Rizos

> 26.7 questions per day

Wow, that's impressive.

@naltipar You should start a discussion on Meta about it.

naltipar

Ok, I will do so. Thanks @YannisRizos.

Yannis Rizos

I'm also undecided. I would like to read any answers, but I'm not entirely sure we can cope with similarly broad questions.

That said, if we're 50-50, I'd prefer it if we erred on the side of re-opening it.

The gods discuss...

2:22 PM

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Q: Why is this question too broad?

I'm referring to this question, which is now closed as Too Broad. I think this should be discussed, since I myself cannot decide whether it is too broad or not and some users seem to have cast reopen votes. How should we treat this now and similar posts in the future? EDIT: As of now, this quest...

discussion specific-question close-reasons

Ixrec

2:38 PM

it sounds like an open-ended list question to me, though I'd also love to read some answers to it...tough one

Ero Sɘnnin

It still seems broad :/

But I cant grasp why

Ixrec

is "open-ended list question" not why?

Ero Sɘnnin

I don't think so

The question is specific enough to ask for something which stayed in its base form

And it did not mix up with other cultures

So, the target is specific whilst the area is huge

and also, I'm not making any sense

~o~

Ixrec

yeah I couldn't tell if that was just me or not

Ero Sɘnnin

lol

Ixrec

2:44 PM

but I'm guessing you were trying to say that the criterion "similar creation myths" is specific enough while the target area of "any cultures ever" risks being too broad

Ero Sɘnnin

Yes

naltipar

I understand what you are saying @EroSɘnnin and you have a point

Yannis Rizos

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Q: How Enkidu was created out of clay and saliva?

On Wikipedia page we can read: Enkidu was formed from clay and saliva by Aruru. How somebody can be created out of clay and saliva? Was is some kind of magic or today we could say it was a hybrid cloning? Do we know something more about the process of creation such beings using clay and s...

mesopotamia creation demi-gods beings heroes

> hybrid cloning

???

Ero Sɘnnin

:)

Ixrec

lol

so the worst-case scenario for that question is every hour someone pops up with an obscure creation myth from a random island culture that bears superficial similarities to a popular one

just checked, we do know a little about the Easter Island creation myth

Ero Sɘnnin

2:46 PM

@YannisRizos Mud Clone Jutsu :P

@naltipar I think the question would require a lot of research :/

Ixrec

maybe it'd be better if it was asking if one or more specific aspects of a creation myth appear in other cultures

durron597

Okay @YannisRizos:

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A: Who should our moderators be?

I'll also nominate myself, @durron597 Top 10 in reputation on Main Top 10 in participation on Meta Been an active user in the Stack Exchange community for more than 3 years, with 12k rep on StackOverflow Recently I've been taking a much larger interest on being a janitor on StackOverflow and on...

Yannis Rizos

@durron597 Ah, you fell for it. Nice. ;P

durron597

@YannisRizos You could have just nominated me yourself, you know.

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 upvotes ^_^

Yannis Rizos

2:50 PM

@durron597 But then you'd blame me for whatever happened ;)

Also, I prefer it when people nominate themselves. It takes a bit of courage, and it tells me the nominee isn't afraid to step up.

durron597

@YannisRizos Like when you nominated @Christofian? ;)

Ero Sɘnnin

lol

all noms have big bold intro

(goes to change mine too)

Yannis Rizos

@durron597 He stole my chance to nominate myself, so I thought it was only fair to reciprocate.

Ero Sɘnnin

This nomination thing is turning out to be funn :D

Ixrec

I pretty much upvoted everyone

Yannis Rizos

2:58 PM

It's supposed to be fun @EroSɘnnin. We are all volunteering our time here, it's not really worth it if it isn't fun.

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El'endia Starman

@Ixrec Much the same here.

durron597

@YannisRizos ^^ this

El'endia Starman

In fact, I would probably be in the lead for 3rd place if I didn't upvote the other candidates. :P

durron597

I was also a Super Moderator (site-wide moderator) on www.twoplustwo.com many years ago

naltipar

You are in the lead @El'endiaStarman

durron597

3:00 PM

That's not really relevant for SE, so I won't put it in the nomination post

The gods discuss...

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Q: Are questions about who worshipped what on-topic?

So @YannisRizos asked this question: Which cities had chthonic Zeus cults? I am quite conflicted about whether such questions are on topic. It's a question about "whom did the people from this time period worship"? Not "what are the details of this particular mythological story? I think it's bo...

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Ero Sɘnnin

@YannisRizos It's my first and so far, it's awesome and turning out good :D

I'm writing up a nom for senshin :D

El'endia Starman

@EroSɘnnin I thought about nominating him too.

durron597

I'll say this:

Ero Sɘnnin

@El'endiaStarman Are you doing the writing or you didn't start?

durron597

3:08 PM

We are not short of good candidates.

Ero Sɘnnin

I'm halfway done

El'endia Starman

@EroSɘnnin I considered it.

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 True that :D

El'endia Starman

Please, go ahead. I'll upvote it for sure.

Ero Sɘnnin

I'll do it asap

Semaphore

3:28 PM

wow explosion of activity

Ero Sɘnnin

KAPOW!

:P

whats a good synonym for very good?

(as in amount)

Ixrec

sufficient? suitable? appropriate? adequate?

naltipar

great?

Ero Sɘnnin

amm

nope

the sentence: He has a very good amount of experience

Ixrec

his experience is impressive?

Ero Sɘnnin

3:35 PM

That links to quality rather than quantity

Ixrec

vast?

extensive?

Ero Sɘnnin

ahan

extensive it is :D

Ixrec

=D

Ero Sɘnnin

thanks @Ixrec :)

Ixrec

too bad you can't give fake internet points for chat answers

Ero Sɘnnin

3:36 PM

Lol

here it is +15

btw does this sound right ? :P

He has an extensive amount of experience

or

His amount of experience is extensive

Ixrec

I would say "he has extensive experience"

Ero Sɘnnin

Thanks again :D

+15

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A: Who should our moderators be?

I would like to nominate @senshin He is quite active on this site main and meta, and has a range of useful expertise on other sites and in other domains.His meta posts are very advantageous and thoughtful. He has a good amount of reputation on the site and is a prolific editor. He is very activ...

Tadaa

Luna

Had to jump on the massive heading nomination bandwagon too, I felt left out :P

HDE 226868

3:52 PM

@Luna I have to go, but I have another arthurian question you might like. . .

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Q: How old was Merlin when he died?

There are many different accounts of the life of Merlin, one of the noted magical figures in the tales of King Arthur. Some accounts do not cover the end of his life, while others state that he died at the hands of the Lady of the Lake or by Niviane, his lover. How old was Merlin when he died? I...

arthurian

Luna

I'm on it already :P

durron597

@HDE226868 I gave you a comment answer relevant to your interests

Ero Sɘnnin

4:14 PM

@naltipar nailed it :D (the meta comment)

The gods discuss...

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Q: Are fictional mythologies on topic?

Are mythologies from fictional sources on topic? Questions about the Old Gods of the Forest from Game of Thrones? Questions about the Nine Divines from the Elder Scrolls series of video games? Etc. I'm thinking no, but I thought the question ought to be asked. We could ban these questions ent...

discussion scope

durron597

@EroSɘnnin Of the post I just made?

naltipar

@EroSɘnnin which one?

Ero Sɘnnin

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Q: Who should our moderators be?

It maybe a bit early, but it is something definite to start thinking about. From the Moderator Pro Tempore blog: About a week into the public beta, we will seek out members who are deeply engaged in the community’s development; members who: Have a reasonably high reputation score t...

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@durron597 No no

naltipar

oh :) It seems to me as something we could all agree with (it was proposed by several others here in the chat)

Ero Sɘnnin

4:17 PM

Yeah :D

But there was a Meta.SE post about it

durron597

@naltipar Wait, I'm not following, what are you saying?

A downvote on a nominaton is just like a downvote on a primary nomination in a regular election

Ero Sɘnnin

It creates a sense of negativity

Semaphore

We have an experiment on History.SE where for for questions that ask for examples (e.g. mythology.stackexchange.com/questions/441/…)

we make a community wiki answer, mark it accepted, and everyone else posts an example as answer then edits a link into the community wiki

so its basically like an index to a bunch of examples

naltipar

I suppose that many downvotes come from other nominees. I also agree with @EroSɘnnin

durron597

@Semaphore List questions don't really fit the SE model

You can never have an authoritative answer on a question asking for a list

On programmers we vote to close them as too broad

Semaphore

4:22 PM

i know, was just mentioning history's experiment, seeing as the topic is brought up on meta

i'm not a huge fan personally, but its one way of dealing with list questions - lettting a community wiki be the answer

durron597

Heh, @RobertCartaino made the moderator post featured and cw

Ero Sɘnnin

Yup. Noticed it now.

Luna

I read somehwere that you should flag it to ask a mod to make it featured so it comes up on Featured Meta posts, so I did :)

Ero Sɘnnin

OP did too

Luna

ah, fair dos

Ero Sɘnnin

4:28 PM

:)

I still don't understand why people downvote on noms. Like I've said before,

5 hours ago, by Ero Sɘnnin

if you dont want the person to be nominated, then just dont vote

naltipar

Or at least the downvoter should express an important reason on why they downvoted (e.g. bad behaviour on a question etc).

Luna

I also concur with this

Ero Sɘnnin

@naltipar exactly. Just the downvotes will induce a bad feeling and combined with the anonymity, it would lead to doubt

Luna

considering SE staff will be the ones to select mods, downvoting them does not achieve much, as SE staff have no clue why you think they wouldn't be a good mod. If you genuinely think they wouldn't be good, a comment would at least clarify

Ero Sɘnnin

@Luna Agree with you

durron597

4:34 PM

> Everyone has their own reasons for voting, it's a private matter, and you might well never know why you received an up- or down- vote unless they felt like telling you.

naltipar

I agree with your last posts, @Luna and @EroSɘnnin.

durron597

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A: Why are people downvoting my question on Meta?

Because S[OFU] are Q&A sites. Meta is actually a replacement for the UserVoice bug report/feature request site (with a bit of discussion thrown in...). The rules are different because Meta is... kinda misusing the SO engine. And it's ok because we really do need a bug report / feature request / ...

Luna

I need to go, but I'm sure I'll speak to you all soon :)

b_jonas

@durron597 I don't think the SE model calls for a single authoritive answer: in fact I think one of the Area 51 criteria for a site to graduate from beta state is that question should have about two answers each in average. Wait, let me look it up.

Ero Sɘnnin

@Luna Bye :)

naltipar

4:35 PM

Cya @Luna.

durron597

Voting is entirely subjective. It means different things for different people... and that's status-bydesign

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 Those are questions. We're talking about users -->people

b_jonas

That said, questions that call for a long list of examples are bad because they usually result in stupid lazy people not reading the existing answers nor even searching for exact words, and posting the same examples again.

durron597

Downvoting a moderator nomination means "I don't want xyz to be moderator". It doesn't mean "I don't like xyz"

Note that, in the primary phase of actual moderator elections, people are actively encouraged to upvote and downvote the candidates

Ero Sɘnnin

But why downvote? The person can just upvote others rather than downvoting an individual

durron597

4:38 PM

@EroSɘnnin I don't know? You'd have to ask the downvoter(s).

That's what being arbitrary and subjective means

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 If I meet em, I surely will help them understand the point of view

durron597

@EroSɘnnin Your point of view or theirs?

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 Both.

We cant force someone to do this exact procedure

But surely we can try to make them understand better

durron597

@EroSɘnnin The bottom line is this: if Stack Exchange didn't want people to be able to downvote nominations, they would either prevent it in code or ask us not to

Ultimately your opinion on this issue is just that... an opinion. That doesn't mean you don't have very good reasons or that other people don't agree agree with you (you do have good reasons and other people do agree), but it's still an opinion.

And people who have a different opinion are probably going to downvote. That's okay, too.

Ero Sɘnnin

Yeah, I get it

naltipar

4:43 PM

@durron597 Accepted.

Ero Sɘnnin

This room's active a lot lately :D

naltipar

Hmm I've been in the chat for like 7-8 hours today.

durron597

@EroSɘnnin Good!

Ero Sɘnnin

yuup .. it's guud

We've covered a lot of topics today

Lol I got downv .. again XD

durron597

People may not want a Lvl 4 pervert to be moderator

Ero Sɘnnin

4:49 PM

tsk tsk

"Normal people" doesnt know what it feels like

durron597

@EroSɘnnin Wander around in the wilderness, kill a few baddies, maybe a level 5 or 6 pervert will be more appealing

b_jonas

Also, hello all, and I'm glad this proposed site is finally launched as a closed beta.

durron597

@b_jonas I will be absolutely stunned if it doesn't launch into public on time

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 Done all that. But I like the number 4

naltipar

Hey there @b_jonas

b_jonas

4:51 PM

There's still some customization and help text that needs to be written, but sure.

durron597

There ya go @EroSɘnnin now I have a downvote too. High five

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 Thanks for the remind btw. I suppose some people can't understand typical anime humor. So changed it lol

@durron597 Woa. If I get these people, I would love to ask em why

@durron597 High Five! :D

durron597

@EroSɘnnin Because they felt like it. Flipping a coin for every user, upvoting the ones that come up heads and downvoting the ones that come up tails is a valid reason

Ero Sɘnnin

Sure. Solid logic there

durron597

@EroSɘnnin The idea is that, in the long run, the community will generate the wisdom of the crowd

b_jonas

5:00 PM

The wisdom of the crows?

Ero Sɘnnin

In the end, votes will be votes and people will be people

Sounds familiar

durron597

@b_jonas The wisdom of the Crow?

@HDE226868 So I was surprised today to discover that you are a moderator of HSM, but not of World Building

Of course, this was my only previous interaction with you on the SE network

Piper

5:15 PM

Oooh an Arctic mythology Q!

HDE 226868

@durron597 Yep. I'm still one of the highest-rep users on HSM; WB is simply a higher-voting site.

Yannis Rizos

30 mins ago, by durron597

People may not want a Lvl 4 pervert to be moderator

Yes. You need to be at least Lvl 6 to be a moderator.

30 mins ago, by durron597

@EroSɘnnin Wander around in the wilderness, kill a few baddies, maybe a level 5 or 6 pervert will be more appealing

Ah, and @durron597 has already made that joke.

Ero Sɘnnin

@YannisRizos I hid my details from this stack >.> My level is over 9000

@YannisRizos Speaking of which, you're a mod on 2 sites. Soo ... your pervert level is ... ?

durron597

5:31 PM

@EroSɘnnin I posted a Mr. Satan image on StackOverflow a few days ago

Semaphore

Hah, my tumblr is probably more perverted than the rest of the channel put together.

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 andd?

durron597

@EroSɘnnin I got a couple upvotes

Ero Sɘnnin

@Semaphore Lol. Being a cool pervert is cool

naltipar

:P

durron597

5:32 PM

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A: How does Gson TypeToken work?

From §4.6 of the JLS (emphasis mine): Type erasure is a mapping from types (possibly including parameterized types and type variables) to types (that are never parameterized types or type variables). We write |T| for the erasure of type T. The erasure mapping is defined as follows: The...

@YannisRizos Indeed :D

Woohoo Mythology Convention badge

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 XD dat face

naltipar

that's hilarious @durron597

Ero Sɘnnin

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Q: How did Jiraiya find out Tsunade's breast size?

Jiraiya stated that Tsunade's oppai size was 106cm. From Tsunade article: Despite being known as flat-chested in her childhood, she now has a rather large bust; 106 centimetres in circumference, according to Jiraiya. From Jiraiya article: when caught spying on Tsunade in his younger y...

naruto

:P

durron597

@naltipar :) Only if you've watched a rather lot of DBZ

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 congrats :D

> Who wouldn't want a Lego Jedi to be moderator, anyways?

@durron597 Lego Vader

durron597

5:44 PM

@EroSɘnnin I don't see no stinkin' breathmask

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 I'm sure Vader and the Siths are working anonymously

durron597

@EroSɘnnin Right, my lego vader took his breathmask off so as not to be noticed.

...

Ero Sɘnnin

Possible

OR

It's Vader's grandson

Hmm .. I wonder when Ep 7 releases

durron597

@HDE226868 Do you see what I'm saying with that most recent comment?

HDE 226868

6:07 PM

@durron597 I do.

You meant the focus, right?

durron597

I mean the scientific basis question

The gods discuss...

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Q: Are questions about the scientific basis of mythology on topic?

This is inspired by How Enkidu was created out of clay and saliva?, which (to my understanding) discusses the scientific basis behind a myth. My opinion was I'm downvoting only because it asks about the feasiblity of a myth. Any and all myths are impossible in some way. "All" is a poor choi...

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HDE 226868

Yes, I meant the link you gave.

durron597

Basically what I'm saying (you may already understand this, but even if so, for the larger chatroom audience) is that scientific basis of mythology is on topic if it's still ultimately about the mythology, not about the science.

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A: Are fictional mythologies on topic?

Yes Fiction Mythology should be on topic. Mythology is mythology whether it exists solely in a fictional world or existed as a form of worship for actual people. So long as the question is about the mythology and not about the fictional work it should be on topic here.

HDE 226868

Good, that's what I thought. I'm curious to see what others will say.

durron597

6:13 PM

Oh, he's just creating canonical answers for the two positions.

Yannis Rizos

If you're creating canonical answers for the two positions, you should make them community wiki. — durron597 29 secs ago

HDE 226868

@durron597 I meant your comment before that stack post.

Yannis Rizos

Eh? Why?

All CW does is lower the edit threshold.

durron597

@YannisRizos So that others can edit the canonical position

@HDE226868 Okay even with my ADHD I can't keep up with what we're talking about now.

Yannis Rizos

Oh, well. I guess that's not a bad reason.

HDE 226868

6:16 PM

@durron597 It sorted itself out. I think. Bottom line, I agree with what you said.

Christofian

7:26 PM

@YannisRizos thank you for the kind words; it's faltering just to be considered, and with so many qualified candidates, this site will be successful no matter who is selected.

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durron597

@Christofian I agree totally, the list of names in that question is very strong across the board.

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7:42 PM

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Q: Are questions about literature related to mythology on-topic

Some works of literature are heavily based on existing mythology. Are these works on topic here? To be clear, I am not referring to entirely fictitious mythologies, like Cthulhu or Star Wars mythos. A few examples: The Homeric epics ("The Odyssey", "The Iliad") The plays of Sophocles ("Oedi...

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Christofian

Regarding downvoting on nominations:

1) being a moderator means that someone is in a position of power, and if someone feels that (for whatever reason) that a community member wouldn't make a good moderator, then they need a way to express that.

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durron597

@Christofian ^^ this

Christofian

2) My suspicions as to why people aren't leaving comments when they downvote nominations: people are probably worried about looking mean, although they may have a legitimate concern for not wanting someone to be a moderator (whatever that concern may be).

naltipar

It may be so @Christofian

Ero Sɘnnin

You're right @Christofian

Christofian

7:52 PM

My nomination has received it's fair share of downvotes, and while I wish we could have a more open dialogue about whatever issues people may have, I respect that people may feel pressured to remain silent, and I would rather that people downvote my nomination than say nothing at all.

durron597

@Christofian ^^ this also

naltipar

It's just that it leaves no room for improvement and one can imply that many downvotes are from other nominees, as said by other users here in the chat.

But in the end, I accept what you're saying, @Christofian

Ero Sɘnnin

It seems weird that the magic number is 2

durron597

@naltipar What does it mean if a nominee upvotes another nominee and downvotes yet another nominee? Does it mean that the upvote is for "good reasons" and the downvote is for bad reasons / spite?

naltipar

Sometimes the downvotes do happen for a bad reason, I never implied that this is absolute.

Obviously you, as nominees, are users after all and you might not agree with some nominations, hence the downvotes, I just wanted to express my opinion that they do not sit well in me.

durron597

7:55 PM

@naltipar Sure, but, the idea is that someone can also upvote for a bad reason (they like the idea of nominating a ~~lego jedi~~ lizard), and that it will work itself out in the end.

naltipar

@durron597 What you're saying is logical. I'm convinced.

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9:06 PM

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Q: Why is the Norse Giants/Trolls question being voted to close as too broad?

What is the difference between giants, Jotuns and trolls in norse mythology? It has three votes as too broad. Here's the review task: http://mythology.stackexchange.com/review/close/254 I don't agree. I don't know the answer, but it likely could be answered quite succinctly, with an answer in t...

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Ixrec

10:07 PM

I love how the Greek creation myth opens with "It all started when X, Y and Z started sleeping with each other..."

(referring to mythology.stackexchange.com/a/472/87)

fredsbend

@YannisRizos Thank you. I've commented accepting the nomination.

Piper

Pretty much ^^

I'm suspecting there's more to my mythology-as-fanfiction theory... Canonical endings and all mythology.stackexchange.com/q/464/38 ;)

Ixrec

it does take some effort to work out criteria to distinguish them

durron597

@Ixrec I totally agree about the trolls question, by the way. If it wasn't obvious from my Meta question.

Ixrec

I suspect a big one would be that anything designed for entertainment, like a stage play, is probably an adaptation (or "fanfic") since it has some constraints imposed by the medium that typically encourage some editing of the original myth which you wouldn't see the "worshippers" do

@durron597 I had a feeling that was your position too

durron597

10:13 PM

@Ixrec If I didn't agree, I would have probably just downvoted, voted to close, and moved on. I was disturbed that it managed to get up to 3 close votes during private beta

fredsbend

@El'endiaStarman I'm glad you're in. I was going to ask if you would be.

Piper

Yes exactly. But from our point of view, or the casual reader's POV, there's little difference nowadays. Most people don't know which are the original sources; they're just stories.

Ixrec

makes you wonder if executive meddling was a thing back in ancient greece

I assume Sophocles had to make a profit at least

Piper

Exactly. How much have we missed out on because it wasn't popular?

Because someone decided to change the beginning/middle/end?

fredsbend

@YannisRizos I think setting some tags early is a good idea. Working on tags that we're not really sure, we should probably wait.

Ixrec

10:18 PM

which leads to unfortunate questions like why were all those rape stories the popular ones among ancient greeks

Piper

Yeah. Kinda gross.

All the murdering and kidnapping. I guess it sold big bucks and here we are.

Ixrec

at least the one about Narcissus has a clear moral lesson to it

Piper

True.

Ixrec

hm, I think neither of the meta answers about myth identification really cover the "Is there a creature in mythology that is a frost bird or a frost phoenix?" one we just got

Piper

I know, this is a tricky one

I suspect we'll get lots of these types of Qs

Ixrec

10:25 PM

I'm inclined to agree it's not particularly good, but at the same time, if there is one, it's clearly answerable

El'endia Starman

I think the OP makes a good point though:

I believe other person could be searching for this exact sentance on Google and would probably be pretty happy to find the answer. Plus, I believe Myth Identification makes sense on a website like this one, since the same question won't be asked hundreds of time, they will be asked once and then people will be able to find it on the internet. What do you think ? — Yann Chabot 27 mins ago

Ixrec

yeah, now that it's here I can easily see them being popular

El'endia Starman

What if someone else has the same question?

Piper

Yep

I don't think we can really avoid these kinds of Qs

Ixrec

I think right now it's the sort of Q I would not vote on in either direction

closing seems excessive

there's no way to answer definitively that such a bird does not exist, but if one does, then mentioning it is a clearly useful answer

so it's at least half-answerable

Piper

10:28 PM

So leave it unanswered until someone finds evidence of a frost bird myth?

Ixrec

probably

Piper

10:38 PM

Did we ever establish where we stand on Q's that ask about pop culture versions of mythologies? I.e. I know we had a question about Marvel Thor versus mytho-Thor.

Semaphore

10:50 PM

I think that one asked for a comparison. It was kinda broad.

El'endia Starman

@Piper I would vote that they're on-topic, but they must be connected to the original mythology in some way. Like asking if the notion that only Thor is worthy is based in original Norse mythology.

David Stratton

11:04 PM

So, I did a horrible job addressing this the first time around, so i edited my answer and would humbly ask the interested community members to take a look and see if my clarified answer makes more sense as a site guideline.

Ixrec

since we already have a site that does an exceptionally good job of answering questions about Marvel Thor, anything asked here should probably be focused primarily on mythical Thor

citing some Marvel movie as the reason you thought to ask a question about mythical Thor would be fine of course, eg "Can Thor's hammer actually fly back to him like a boomerang?"

...I should go ask that

@DavidStratton I don't think I was around for the original version but what I see now sounds pretty similar to what I've posted on other meta Qs, so +1 from me

Piper

Ok

So, as long as the focus is primarily mythology.

Ixrec

we'll find out very soon if the rest of the beta users agree with me on this

HDE 226868

11:20 PM

@Ixrec I think it's okay.

Piper

We shall see

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