The Axon Terminal

Damien

1:32 AM

@StevenJeuris well this just reaffirms my concern from a few days ago, that my contributions are no good.

jonsca

2:50 AM

@Damien I think they will probably be reversed by the script overnight

(also, did you edit all of those posts, because the votes should have "stuck")

Damien

I did not edit them, they were edited by Skippy

jonsca

She shouldn't have edited them to unupvote them, that's not very fair

Damien

meta.cogsci.stackexchange.com/questions/643/… this post and the subsequent discussion underneath explains it... also if you look at the edit logs of each of those posts, it is clear to see

for example cogsci.stackexchange.com/posts/4105/revisions

jonsca

Yeah, I was just reading the Meta answer

Damien

as I see it, the situation is untenable

what I recommend is - after my account is deleted - get rid of that thread and then carry on as though I never existed

jonsca

3:06 AM

I think we're just going to have to IP ban Australia in the future

Nah, don't be so hard on yourself

You have asked a ton of good questions and given some excellent answers. This will be resolved in the long run.

Damien

of course it will be resolved - my deletion, then the site running as smoothly as before - you won't lose the 'avid' status either, as I noticed there are 11 over 2000, the only thing that would be affected, and this would be temporary, would be people's rep (deletion of account = deletion of rep from that account)

jonsca

I would have a chat with @JoshGitlin before you do anything (if he's not asleep in his beer by now)

Josh Gitlin

@jonsca I'm not but it's been a difficult day for me personally

jonsca

Oh, sorry :( nevermind then

Josh Gitlin

I've been watching this situation unfold via my phone and been unable to do much about it. I'm going to see what I can do now

jonsca

3:16 AM

Please accept my apology for bugging you, then.

Josh Gitlin

@jonsca No apologies necessary, this needs to be delt with :-)

Why Do You Think That Is True

@JoshGitlin sorry to hear that about yr day

Josh Gitlin

@WhyDoYouThinkThatIsTrue Thanks. Just a difficult one on many personal fronts, all is good. Just life :-)

I'll sleep and tomorrow will be better :-)

Damien

@JoshGitlin hope all gets better for you

jonsca

@JoshGitlin I hope so

Josh Gitlin

3:22 AM

Thanks guys. I'll check in with everyone tomorrow morning and I pinged Jeromy.

Why Do You Think That Is True

@JoshGitlin sleep well

Josh Gitlin

Thanks

jonsca

@JoshGitlin He does speak Australian ;)

Be well

Damien

take care mate

hello @JonEricson

Jon Ericson

@Damien Hi there. I'm awfully confused about what's going on.

@WhyDoYouThinkThatIsTrue: How are you doing?

Damien

3:37 AM

@JonEricson long story

but I stand by what I said in my meta answer - all of it

and as I said to @jonsca earlier "of course it will be resolved - my deletion, then the site running as smoothly as before - you won't lose the 'avid' status either, as I noticed there are 11 over 2000, the only thing that would be affected, and this would be temporary, would be people's rep (deletion of account = deletion of rep from that account)"

Jon Ericson

@Damien Well, it sort of sounds like you are accusing Skippy of revenge voting. I have to say, I've never heard of revenge unupvoting and unaccepting.

It seems like a lot of people have had a rough day. Maybe it would be best to reconvene tomorrow.

Damien

Skippy (= WhyDoYouThinkThatThisIsTrue) admits it 5th comment from my post - where I do not accuse anyone

and s I have said in my answer and in the comments, I have no problem with unaccepting, it is the en-masse unupvote, which as was said in the comment was not given on merit.

Jon Ericson

@Damien Well, it's pretty clear who unaccepted your answers.

@Damien Were the edits any good?

Damien

removal of a few words

or fixed a single typo - example cogsci.stackexchange.com/posts/4261/revisions

Jon Ericson

3:52 AM

Yeah. That's not really how the system is supposed to work. You shouldn't edit a post just so you can change your vote.

Damien

it's all moot really, as I am going to delete my account here

my suggestion - I'll delete, then once that is actioned, get rid of that thread, continue as if I never turned up and those questions and answers appeared by unicorns

incidently, I have accepted another of her responses and awarded her the bounty I had on offer - the sole reason being that her answer was very thorough and very good.

I did unaccept one of her answers as the other answer was, I felt, better. Another I initially unaccepted, changed my mind and accepted again, and now have accepted 2 more. I am doing that on the basis of merit - her answers and questions are very good for the site, mine are not.

Jon Ericson

@Damien That's good of you. No need to hold grudges.

For the moment, I've locked the whole question. It sounds as if it's moot as well.

Damien

As WhyDoYouThinkThatThisIsTrue has stated in the comments most of the upvotes were 'loyalty', not merit

a few days ago, here in chat, I mentioned my concern about not being able to contribute positively... this and one other reason (that I am struggling to articulate into words) are the reasons I should leave

if any posts are of any use, they'll still be here

Taal

asking good questions isn't an inability to contribute

Damien

the 2nd reason, and this will be poor English....

Taal

4:09 AM

??? you don't have bad english

Damien

is that my confidence in contributing was shaky before, now pretty much gone - what happens when she gets the mod tools at 2000 rep?

Taal

she's not just going to ban you

i don't think she's that vindictive

Damien

I don't think so either, but after today _ I am not 100% confident

Taal

well this is the cogpsy section, people will get emotional sometimes...but those emotions fade

if i ever get to 2k points ill unban you

dont you already have like 9k anyway

ah im so confused

Damien

She is an exceptional asset to the site, she has qualifications and experience to share. With my confidence gone, I pretty much won't feel confident enough to post anything - so why stay? I would just be cybernetic ballast

Taal

4:13 AM

why is your confidence gone?

that isn't making any sense

citation?

Damien

it was already shaky before

Taal

uhh why was it shaky

people don't come to these boards to own everyone, everyone has joined them to ask questions and learn cool stuff

im pretty sure you've done the right thing & everything will blow over as does usually in things like this

Damien

I can't see how the site would benefit from me staying on - I have no confidence to post here anymore (that is questions and answers) and I am not qualified

Taal

damien.

noone here is qualified.

and all i do is copy and paste searches ive done from pubmed.gov, which isn't hard

i dont really know much past that

Damien

I don't even have the confidence to do that here anymore, to be honest. I'd just be a deadweight

Taal

4:19 AM

do i have to start citing your questions to prove you wrong ?

Damien

something just occurred to me... being a deadweight here would not harm me and would not result in people losing their rep if I were to delete

Taal

Why do prices ending in 99, e.g., 0.99, 199 or 1999.9 convince consumers to buy?

Jon Ericson

@Damien I'm not sure "deadweight" describes the second user (by reputation gain) this year.

Taal

that was interesting to me

Damien

@JonEricson that actually means little when you consider a good proportion of the rep was 'loyalty', not merit based

@Taal those answers will be there whether I am here or not

Jon Ericson

4:22 AM

@Damien Ah. I see.

Of course, I don't know what loyalty in that context means, exactly.

Taal

@Damien I think despite the overwhelming amount of evidence that you are an extremely high contributing member, you're just trying to find reasons....even if they don't make much sense....to delete your account.

a contributing member doesn't just answer questions or anything - they just...contribute

Damien

@JonEricson to be honest, I do not know how much is 'loyalty', as opposed to 'merit' (i.e. contributing)

Taal

@Damien well I'm going to point you to cogsci.stackexchange.com/questions/4369/…

Damien

@Taal the reasons are simple, as I stated earlier, I am not confident to post anything at all anymore

Taal

Obviously you are "ALL-OR-NOTHING THINKING"

Mental Filter

Disqualifying the Positive

Magnification

Personalization

Everyone does those, I do them all the time

Damien

4:28 AM

I recognise that some have found some use in some of my posts - however, I do not have the confidence now to post any further

Taal

but if you catch yourself

what took away your confidence?

Damien

@JonEricson 3rd comment: " voted for you, largely out of loyalty than merit."

Taal

Skippy I think is having alot of personal stress in real life - I'm just guessing this, not necessarily true - but if that's true then you gotta expect sometimes people bring that onto the internet

Damien

she is not the only one

Taal

and emotions are contagious

i however am resistant because of my continued use of prescribed amphetamines

Damien

4:33 AM

(found out something very bad healthwise in the past 24 hours)

Taal

what was it? lol a few weeks ago I thought I was going to die from an ekg result I just got

and then last year some stupid doctor told me I had cancer

but you don't have to share, thats a bit much of me to ask tbh

Damien

put it this way - picture this, a week, a month etc from now, my contributions will have stopped (lack of confidence), what is the point of that?

Taal

well whether or not you have confidence is your choice and what you base it on

so if you, i feel, perhaps tried to list some reasons why you SHOULDN'T leave the site , then maybe you'll make a more accurate decision

Damien

lack of confidence is not always a choice, certainly is not in my case... I have made a list indeed, but the 2 sticking points remain and for me, they are major

Taal

well at least you can probably do work without medication like I have to - which is a massive problem for me

lol i sound like such a hypocrite when i say that now

Damien

4:39 AM

no, you don't

Taal

well I"m saying "I have to have it to do work"

do i really?

is there any chance maybe I could do work or be less distracted without it?

maybe its better to not take it....

whatever sticking point you have, I have seen amazing things happen to people before. I've seen people transform...in very strange ways (good ways)

I don't believe you can't get over whatever sticking point you have or think of some reasons as to why it would continue to bother you

like....are there counterexamples to your claims you can find?

Damien

not to those 2 sticking points

Taal

i know i could find some, but i'll respect your privacy unless you want to go into a private chat

Damien

the two points have already been mentioned

Taal

Well, let me ask you this. If you had a magic genie that could magically solve those issues for you, would you let him?

I only ask because I doubt your motivation to actually want to change them....

Damien

4:47 AM

They can not be changed

Taal

but it's a magic genie

Damien

and i do not believe in 'genies'

Taal

even hypothetically?

Damien

look, I appreciate what you guys are trying to do, but I don't want to waste any more of your time

Taal

I think we'd be more pissed if you deleted your account.

and left

Damien

4:49 AM

why?

Taal

Because it's obvious to me you're part of this section of stackexchange

if we want it to grow

and it could become a very, very special place

we need people like you

Damien

it will still grow with or without me

i am not even remotely that important

this drama has taken too much of people's time and energy as it is

Taal

From looking at your profile you ask interesting questions and provide insight into answers. The drama part can be resolved pretty easily.

And I'm sure they have drama on every single section of stackexchange

like my first post on crossvalidated

I flamed almost everyone til the mods locked the thread - they kept telling me to go read a book....wtf

Damien

If i were to stay - this is what will happen - I will not post anything (no confidence for me means no motivation), and I'll have the constant doubt at the back of my mind and about the 2nd issue.

there will always be people stepping up and posting great questions, there are already many on the site as it is

Taal

the fact that you say you have no confidence almost makes it seem like someone hacked into your account and you arn't the real damien

WHERE IS HE

Damien

4:55 AM

I am the real thing, I assure you

I do not want to waste anymore of your or @JonEricson's (or anyone's) time

Taal

It'll only of been wasted if you delete your account or quit

Jon Ericson

@Damien You aren't wasting my time. It's been educational looking over the site and seeing what questions y'all have.

Damien

so, the alternative, me staying as a member, but not posting anything - how is that any different?

Taal

Because I think you'll eventually get your confidence back or perhaps realize what you were thinking before wasn't as true as you thought it was.

Damien

so, you are suggesting an experiment?

Taal

5:00 AM

Why not treat it as one? Try not posting for a while, just reading things and see how you feel.

Damien

reading and reviewing

Taal

I mean, you know how to cite stuff from pubmed right? One thing about this cite is I don't see people doing "pubmed wars" as we used to call them back on the old forums....

I can give you some tips....

about this site*

Damien

yup, I know how to cite - being doing that a lot for my PhD

Taal

so to answer a question here

you just go type it into pubmed

...and if you find a relevant study

that supports your hypothesis

Damien

ah yes, but I will just be reading and reviewing

Taal

5:04 AM

that's cool too

Damien

okay, you have convinced me (provisionally)

Taal

although, I havn't seen anyone here actually deconstruct other people's citations at all - so you could really just cite whatever you want

that's pretty much whta I've been doing hahahaha

i'll be on pubmed and find a contradictory study and just be like hrmm.....nooo lets skip that one

(shhh)

Damien

@JonEricson am I able to delete my meta answer?

@Taal the 3rd thing I'll do is vote

Taal

Another thing you could do is if you have time, not post anything...but just do a little bit of background research and see if you find anything....but no more than like 2 minutes for each question

no need to post your findings

Jon Ericson

@Damien Since I locked the question, I don't think you can. But I can. Is that what you'd like?

Damien

5:08 AM

@JonEricson yes, I think my answer and the subsequent banter needs to go

Jon Ericson

@Damien Done.

Damien

@JonEricson thank you

Jon Ericson

@Damien No problem. These things happen.

Damien

and I won't ask about the chat transcript, as I know it gets buried with time.

Taal

@Damien well I'm glad you're going to continue

Damien

5:13 AM

@Taal - in a very limited capacity

Taal

Gotta start somewhere

And getting started can be the hardest part

Damien

true

Taal

I'm not sure why you're here Tom, but it looks like you may be able to help me configure my amazon aws vpc subnet problem :p

Damien

Now I really do not want to be wasting anymore of anyone's time

Taal

But anyways I'll seeya later damien, I'm sure you'll grow with the site - any question you have is going to be posted here...which is undoubtedly the same question someone else has in the world too.....and that's why stackexchange works. Cause search engines love that shit

3

Damien

5:18 AM

@Taal that should be on the brochure

@Taal thank you again

Taal

no problem

if you'd like to vote up all my posts on the website

thats cool

lol

jk

Damien

lol!

Taal

like this is a

very specific question

2

A: How effective are pharmaceutical or therapeutic treatments for jealousy?

Pharmaceutical: Well, I can tell you there are no pharmaceutical treatments you can take that JUST help you manage "acute jealousy." Essentially, any drug you would take that may help wouldn't just target "jealousy." If there even is one that helps you to manage it it will have a global effect...

Why Do You Think That Is True

@Damien ok if you're not going to leave can I go back and reaccept your answers etc?

Taal

....silence....

Why Do You Think That Is True

5:23 AM

I dropped in to reply to the olive branch that Damien gave in accepting some of my better answers

g2g have an exam on monday and just come on SE to avoid studying

Taal

please change your picture at least

it makes me sad

like, really sad

oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/05/… here is a good pic

Why Do You Think That Is True

@Taal I drew it myself ... yr funny..

Taal

here this will make you feel better

Why Do You Think That Is True

@Damien I will go through and reread my questions and answers later and accept the answers

too tired no g2g

Taal

(judging by your picture)

its just 1 minute

Why Do You Think That Is True

5:29 AM

@Taal ok u talked me into it.

Taal

►

boom

Why Do You Think That Is True

But I g2g and rest now..

Taal

oh and my trollings over at the top question lol...english.stackexchange.com/questions/123468/… upvoted

cya

we all have workt o do

Why Do You Think That Is True

@Taal yes I lke matt damon.. he's a great actor.. oky doky going now bye

Taal

haha seeya get good sleep

and if you don't make sure to eat a breakfast high in protein

5

A: What factors improve mood and increase cognitive functioning when people wake up?

I've been wanting to share this study with people for a while. In my experience the light thing helps to a degree, but not as much as other concepts - it just depends on what sort of engineer you are I suppose. I think you could somehow creatively fit this into some sort of app or smart house -...

alright i should leave now

H.Muster

8:08 AM

Dang, I am completely out of popcorn...

Damien

11:34 AM

wow..fun evening here in hospital...

Why Do You Think That Is True

11:58 AM

@Damien the answers that you have posted, that I have accepted, are purely on the merit of your work. Meaning they are good answers.. hope you get out of the hospital cheers

Steven Jeuris

@Damien, glad to hear you are keeping the account. If being active on the site was stressing, indeed take a step back, be a bit less active and see when and where you do want to contribute. E.g. I no longer participate on SO meta as I don't have the time nor patience for it. (which actually makes me a bad mod, but @JoshGitlin makes up for that by being a meta addict) Conclusion, you don't need to give yourself 100%, help out where you want to/can and don't worry too much about it.

2

SE is a community, ... Its a community effort, en masse, even through little contributions, we are strong.

Also glad to see how the community here supported everyone and seemingly things are almost resolved. Couldn't answer earlier as it was night, and now my laptop is broken, sorry. Using my cellphone which isn't as straightforward.

Damien

suspected heart attack - there are several pressures happening at the moment. Am at home now... As per what I agreed with people earlier, I'll stay, but in the background (not posting questions, nor answers whatsoever), reading and reviewing

@StevenJeuris Thankfully, the tests revealed my heart is fine, however have to wait for the blood tests to find out about the other potential nasties.

hello @BenBrocka

Ben Brocka

12:22 PM

@Damien good morning

Damien

how are you?

Ben Brocka

Pretty good since it's friday

Waiting for the weekend, 9 more hours

Damien

12:40 PM

it is the weekend (sort of) here... 10:40pm I hve not had a fun Friday

@BenBrocka that would probably make an interesting question for you or someone to post - why is it we wish our Friday away? what is the psychology in waiting?

@JonEricson hello!

Jon Ericson

@Damien Howdy!

Damien

@JonEricson I did not have good time after our chat... I had to go to the hospital

Josh Gitlin

Morning everyone

Raghav Sood

Morning

Josh Gitlin

@Damien Oh, wow, I'm sorry to hear this! Are you okay?

Damien

12:49 PM

good evening

Jon Ericson

@Damien I'm sorry. I hope everything is ok.

Damien

I am okay, for the most part - suspected heart attack

but the heart is fine

but it could be another nasty that Ihave to wait for the results of

How are you all?

Josh Gitlin

Ug. I hate waiting for results like that

I'm doing better now after a good night's sleep. Ready to tackle the day! :-)

How's the reaction time testing @Raghav?

Damien

@JoshGitlin just to bring you up to speed - all is good, mostly. I am going to stay at cogsci, but I am not going to be posting anything (at last for the foreseeable future), but I will review and read (and very occasionally comment.

this was my decision

Josh Gitlin

@Damien I'm very glad you have decided to stay! And please do not let the site cause any amount of added stress, certainly not enough to give yourself heart trouble!

If you ever feel overwhelmed or stressed out, just take a break. You can also message/email me any time. I may not be able to respond immediately but I will respond.

Damien

12:55 PM

@JoshGitlin the heart is fine

Josh Gitlin

@Damien very glad to hear that!

Damien

something wrong however with the stomach and oesophagus

Raghav Sood

@JoshGitlin Haven't had time to look at it recently. Having exams right now, so busy with that

@Damien Hope you get better soon!

Damien

@RaghavSood good luck with the exams