Grand Rounds

JohnP

3:37 AM

I'm back to -2 after some reasoned discourse this afternoon.

kenorb

9:24 AM

@michaelpri You're on my up-vote list. You're a great mod on lifehacks.

michaelpri

10:48 AM

@kenorb Thanks :)

Nate Barbettini

1:26 PM

The silent downvotes on the Pro Tempore mod thread (including the question itself) are annoying. :(

@michaelpri I really don't know why you have -4.

JohnP

2:48 PM

@NateBarbettini - Probably because of age.

I have -2, probably because I can be a bit abrasive in comments. I tend not to sugar coat, which can be a bit off putting for some.

Tim

I think my list of why I'd be bad put people off, but someone has clearly gone down the list and down voted everyone.

JohnP

Possibly also because this is how michael gets a lot of his answers, and it is a bit concerning: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/20993952#20993952

@Tim - Well, you can probably count Jez in that group. I'm almost positive that he's one of my downvotes, because I disagreed with both his site and meta questions on closing.

Tim

Hmm probably. The serial dvs gave themselves away when the dved the question... :p

they clearly don't want mods :p

JohnP

On a good note, did anyone see that we have a practicing epidemiologist among our group now?

Fomite, United States

151 4

Yeah, I don't know how the question itself gets -2 votes.

Nate Barbettini

@JohnP I did, and am excited about it!

@Tim: yes, which I think is silly. obviously the site needs mods; if the serial dvs don't like the current candidates, they should propose new ones.

(agreeing with you, in case that wasn't clear in the text)

Tim

3:00 PM

:)

bbl gotta revise and render

JohnP

Susan has one DV from the serial, I've got 2, you've got 1, @NateBarbettini.

kenorb

5:24 PM

Don't worry about down-votes, you're not alone, somebody just did 4 in a row within a minute across different answers, probably didn't have enough time to read it :)

Nate Barbettini

6:02 PM

Opinions: do you think the final sentence of this question should be edited out, as it is more of a statement of opinion?
http://health.stackexchange.com/questions/506/how-to-avoid-fatigue-if-i-foresee-irregular-sleeping-time

kenorb

@NateBarbettini Melatonin (also a sleeping pill) is not harmful for health, as it's hormone which you already have in your body which balance your sleep. Sometimes it's referred as youth hormone.

@NateBarbettini So it could be edited-out. However on the other hand if OP is not interested in taking any pills, it should stay there. So I'm not sure:)

@NateBarbettini It also depends to which pills he's referring to.

Nate Barbettini

6:48 PM

@kenorb yeah, wasn't sure either.

@kenorb I guess I'm thinking that just the final part "as I believe those are harmful to health in the long term." is unnecessary

not because I disagree with it, but because it isn't relevant to the question. (In potentially the same way that on SO things like "Thanks in advance for help!" is edited out because it's unnecessary noise)

IMO the question is a good one and stands on its own, whatever the beliefs of the OP about sleeping pills.

JohnP

7:03 PM

I think it should stand in the question. He is clarifying what he is looking for, which helps refine the answers.

Fomite

7:26 PM

@JohnP and @NateBarbettini sheepish Glad to be here.

Nate Barbettini

@Fomite welcome. not trying to scare you away! just glad to have more people who can contribute good information.

michaelpri

7:57 PM

Hello everyone :)

howdy

How are you?

good! you?

Great :D

@Fomite don't be sheepish, it's baaaahd form. :p Seriously, I'm just pleased to see active professionals taking a part.

Nate Barbettini

8:08 PM

currently distracted by the SpaceX launch happening now!

JohnP

9:22 PM

@anongoodnurse - Yes, you are having an issue. I made a statement as a broad generality to underscore a point that we need to be aware in the future of knowledge change/decay. You have chosen to take that generality and nitpick the specifics, and focus on a tree when I'm talking about the forest.

However, I edited it to protect against someone seeing that meta post and changing their diet accordingly.

And, a moderator downvote. Gee, wonder who that could be? :) Guess if you disagree with someone that makes you unfit to be a moderator.

michaelpri

Wait, did you get another downvote?

JohnP

Yeah, right after anongood nurse and I discussed my meta post in comments.

michaelpri

Do you think it was her?

JohnP

Dunno, don't care. I either get selected or I don't, either way I will support the site.

michaelpri

I think you deserve it.

JohnP

9:36 PM

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Q: Moderation on Health.SE - do we need a different model?

Usually (and with good reason), mods are not expected to decide if an answer is incorrect. On some sites, though, the mod will take an action if a trusted user raises a flag. This occurs on occasion on Biology.SE where a user dispenses bad medical advice in comments. The flag is deemed helpful a...

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There's not really any "deserving" to it. Do I think I'd be a good mod? Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have put my name in. Are there other people that might be just as good or better? Sure.

michaelpri

I personally think you'd be at in the top 3 best candidates, but there are other good candidates that would make good mods, I think

anongoodnurse

@JohnP - That was rash. Maybe someone saw a nominee arguing in comments and thought it isn't reflective of a good mod. But to blame me as a guess and then call me out for something I didn't even do does show something as well.

@JohnP - in reality, I upvoted most of the nominees.

michaelpri

@anongoodnurse Same, I think it's a great pool of nominees

JohnP

Well, then that's the problem with post hoc ergo propter hoc. Consider my apologies tendered on that point. :)

anongoodnurse

@michaelpri I think so too.

michaelpri

9:43 PM

I'm still bummed out you decided to decline, though. But thanks for thinking about it

Feeds, M.D.

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Q: About Pro Tem moderator nominations... Is there a better way to discuss concerns with moderators?

Under one user's nomination (michaelpri) are some valid comments that might better be answered by a conversation with the users themselves. I don't know if this is done only for elected mods, but some sites create rooms where users can ask questions to their heart's content without leaving long ...

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anongoodnurse

There are a very few nominees that I don't know at all, and I didn't vote one way or another on them.

JohnP

Brb, gotta go reset a server.

michaelpri

Didn't notice that meta post. I agree that it would've been better had I been able to chat with the people asking the questions.

anongoodnurse

@michaelpri My being so new and uninvolved until recently, I couldn't do that to a new site.

@michaelpri yes, I do too.

michaelpri

9:46 PM

I felt that I couldn't give my opinion as clearly in the comments.

Nate Barbettini

well, the nomination period isn't over yet. We could set up a chat room and invite all the nominees in for discussion?

anongoodnurse

@michaelpri It doesn't seem the place to have a long thread about your age and expertise, with another mod candidate joining in, in the nomination thread.

@NateBarbettini This has been done on other sites. I think it was a great help.

Nate Barbettini

all for it, then.

anongoodnurse

Then, please vote yes on the proposal in meta. :-)

Nate Barbettini

@anongoodnurse upvoted already, did you mean something different?

anongoodnurse

9:49 PM

@NateBarbettini No, sorry. I hadn't checked it yet. :-)

Nate Barbettini

@anongoodnurse no worries. I wasn't sure for a sec if you meant to post an answer

JohnP

@anongoodnurse - Created for you.

anongoodnurse

@JohnP Link?

michaelpri

Pro-Tem Mod Q&A

Questions and answers for potential Moderators

anongoodnurse

Excellent!!!!

JohnP

9:51 PM

Sorry, I was posting it as an answer to your meta question.

michaelpri

@JohnP I can super-ping all of the candidates so they will visit the room

Nate Barbettini

@michaelpri woah. what's that?!

anongoodnurse

@michaelpri - what is a super ping and how does one get the power to send one out?!? :D

michaelpri

@NateBarbettini @anongoodnurse You can ping someone that hasn't visited the room

anongoodnurse

But.... how?

michaelpri

9:56 PM

It's a chat moderator privilege so @anongoodnurse has it

anongoodnurse

Really? I have a power I don't know about!

michaelpri

You do it by doing @@ then you can type in a users chat id or search for their username

JohnP

MWAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! DA POWA!!!!

anongoodnurse

Thank you!!!

I wish they had a mod-school on SE.

There's much the mods need to learn as they go, instead of having all the info at their fingertips (no pun intended!)

michaelpri

There is a moderator FAQ on MSE

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Q: Stack Exchange Moderator FAQ

As per the FAQ for Stack Exchange sites, this FAQ will serve the following purposes: To be the canonical reference for moderators across the Stack Exchange sites for things that are beyond question (typically, "how" questions) For situations that a moderator will face, provide information to he...

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anongoodnurse

9:59 PM

I have read that, and go to the teacher's lounge, and I press every button I see to learn more. :-)

JohnP

@anongoodnurse I push a lot of buttons too, but generally they belong to people :p

michaelpri

This is helpful too

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Q: Moderator Cheat Sheet

As an alternative to the other FAQ format being fleshed out here on Meta Stack Exchange, I'd like to propose something far more terse that covers the bare essential mechanics of being a moderator. Feel free to add more questions, but keep them short: this isn't the place to get into complex mod...

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anongoodnurse

@JohnP lol!

@michaelpri I find they are about policy, not the buttons...

michaelpri

Yeah, pressing buttons helps a lot ;)

anongoodnurse

Good, I am going to ask a question right now... maybe that's premature.... I will ask a question very soon!!!

:-/

JohnP

10:02 PM

@anongoodnurse - btw, I deleted my comments in the meta thread. I think we were discussing the same thing at different angles and running over each other.

anongoodnurse

@michaelpri OOoooo, I didn't see that one!

@JohnP Yes, I thought it was not a productive thread, but not because of your answers.

I just don't like comment wars. I'll erase mine right away.

JohnP

@anongoodnurse Agreed. Chat wars are much better :p

michaelpri

I have a ton of homework to do, see you all later o/

Nate Barbettini

@michaelpri cheers

JohnP

cheers!

I don't have much time before my wife arrives to drop off da bebby.

anongoodnurse

10:06 PM

@michaelpri Homework... a distant memory... ha! Now it's called "Continuing Medical Education"!

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JohnP

Hah! True!

anongoodnurse

@JohnP a bebby! Please consider asking questions on parenting if you haven't already!

JohnP

I just found out they changed the ACLS drug protocol I spent so much time learning in the ER :/

anongoodnurse

Yes, they have changed a lot in the past revision.

JohnP

@anongoodnurse - I've been reading a lot. He's 6 months 1 week. Was a month premature, but is already in the 5th percentile for weight on the normal charts, and 15th %ile height/head.

anongoodnurse

10:08 PM

congrats! Is he your first?

JohnP

was such a great mnemonic too...

Yep :)

Wife is 4'9" so we figured he probably be early.

anongoodnurse

Double congrats!

Mine are all grown. And married.

JohnP

15 minutes of labor, once it started. Which is good, short cord and wrapped, so thankfully no complications there.

anongoodnurse

wow! a precipitous labor.

JohnP

Mine should be, but I got a very late start on the whole family thing. Didn't even get married until 39.

anongoodnurse

10:10 PM

That has it's upsides for sure.

JohnP

Yeah, 15 hours of waiting, then once dilated it was "Ok, lets try a practice push....ok, I'm going to go get the doctor now"

anongoodnurse

I think older parents are often better parents.

JohnP

I think 3, maybe 4 pushes total?

anongoodnurse

@JohnP Yep.

I'm in awe!

I had a patient - one only - who did that.

JohnP

@anongoodnurse I dunno. I am certainly calmer than the average parent because of the education/medical background, and my wife (16 years younger than me) is pretty easy going.

anongoodnurse

10:12 PM

Good combination.

JohnP

Yeah, a friend of mine just had one, and the OB was furious. Wasn't able to be there, and they let her push in labor for 3.5 hours instead of C-section after 1.

anongoodnurse

My (limited) experience is that older parents worry more but make better parenting decisions; while younger parents worry less, but tend to default parenting to the way they were raised.

But by younger, I mean late teens, early twenties.

JohnP

Hah! Our checklist is pretty much "Is his diaper clean? Is he still breathing? Ok, we're doing good."

anongoodnurse

:-)

How early was he?

JohnP

He has discovered his toes, and the high pitched screech. :)

1 month, 2 days. 5 lbs .2 oz, and I forget height. 17.5" mebbe?

anongoodnurse

10:16 PM

That's pretty good. Lucky, because cord around neck could have been major problem.