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4:16 AM
@anongoodnurse Hey :) I've nominated you for moderator pro tempore. I hope that you'll think about it
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A: Who should our Moderators Pro Tempore be?

michaelprianongoodnurse Meta Anongoodnurse (aka medica) has been extremely helpful in advancing this site. In my encounters with her, she has been very friendly and polite and she has also helped me improve the quality of my questions and answers. She is also a Parenting.SE moderator, so she is fami...

 
5:12 AM
@michaelpri - Thank you. That's really kind of you. I haven't been here long, so your trust in me is doubly appreciated. :-) I will think about it. I like SE and like to participate in its communities, so even if I don't run, I will still be involved. But, again, thank you.
 
@anongoodnurse I really hope that you will accept
 
@michaelpri :-)
I will really think about it.
 
This site really needs people like you
 
And you.
You're a great contributor to this site.
 
Thanks :)
 
5:15 AM
I think you would make a fine mod.
 
But you seem to really understand Health more than me
 
Seriously. You're everywhere.
Well, I'm a doctor, so there's that.
But you're a community-oriented user, which is invaluable.
 
Yeah, I'm only a student, but maybe I will be a doctor someday
 
What country?
 
United States
 
5:17 AM
Really? What zone?
 
ETC, near Philadelphia
 
Wow! We're neighbors!
I'm in PA too.
We're night people, I think.
 
Haha, we really are :)
 
Shiftwork messes with my circadian rhythm, so I'm up all hours.
Life hacks, that's a fun site.
You have moderating experience. Valuable.
 
Not much, only about a month, but it has been useful to me so far
 
5:20 AM
I think Susan would be a very good choice for mod, as well.
 
I do think that moderating Health would be a lot different than moderating Lifehacks, though
 
Yeah. Might be really hard, I don't know.
 
Yeah, Susan's contributed a lot
 
I've never been (yes, she really has!) in on the ground floor of a site like this.
I think it's a tumultuous time, potentially, when people have strong opinions of what a site should be.
 
I think this site has has a lot less disagreement than many other sites
 
5:23 AM
There's pulling in several directions. It can be hard on users.
Hmm.
Parenting is the most gentle site I'm involved in.
It's really a pleasure.
Some sites are harder. Some easy. They all seem to have a personality all their own.
 
SO is probably a bit harder to be a mod on than Parenting or Lifehacks
 
I've heard stories! :-)
 
From what I can tell, they have to deal with a wide range of crazy things
 
EL&U, too, I'd bet. Busy site, really hard to try to "enforce" (well, impossible, actually) "standards".
New users come in so fast, it's impossible to... define ourselves well.
I don't know that there's any way around it. I think most sites face similar struggles.
 
Wow, you're very active there, surprised you're not a mod
 
5:29 AM
We'll see that here as well.
EL&U?
 
Yeah
 
No, there are a lot of high rep users there. And a lot of people who have been on the site for 3-4 years!
I ran once, though.
 
Did you come close?
 
But I was up against people who had been there for years.
No, not even!
Let's see...I came in 6th, I think.
 
That's not that bad
 
5:31 AM
For three positions.
Nine candidates.
 
Hey, you beat out 3 people :)
 
It was a really interesting experience.
lol, yeah, someone has to be 6th.
better than 9th!
Actually, the person who was eighth is really a wonderful person.
Would have made a great mod.
 
Well, not everyone can win
 
:-)
The right people won. They are an excellent, hard-working team.
How about you? Are you goin to run for mod here?
(Did I miss your accepting the nomination?)
 
I haven't accepted yet, but I probably will soon. LH isn't that busy, so modding two sites wouldn't be a hassle at all
 
5:35 AM
Yep. Same with Parenting.
Ultimately, it won't be decided by votes, but by Robert, no? Or am I wrong?
 
Votes matter a little, like if someone has 15 more votes than the next person then that makes a difference, but if it's close by 1 or 2 votes, then the SE team looks at how good of a user you've been on beta and meta
 
Susan has mod experience too. There are a lot of good candidates.
I'm too new here, I think.
 
The Health mod team could be all people who have been mods before ;)
 
There are other good candidates though, too
 
5:39 AM
Have you ever noticed how much the top mods around?
 
Like the CM's?
 
There are people who have been mods on 6-7 sites
No, regular mods.
Some start on slower sites and move to more active ones.
 
Oh wow, I haven't seen anyone with more than 5 I think
 
At least, I've seen that.
Let me check brb
Yep. Rory Alsop: "I only actually have 68 helpful flags on this site, but I have been an SE mod for nearly 4 years now - across the Stack Exchange network I currently moderate 6 sites (5 as a pro-tem, and one as pro-tem from beta to graduation and then voted in as a mod) and am very active on quite a few sites, both in reviewing and editing and in questions and answers (current network-wide rep of >150k)"
So, I think it's seven for him now.
 
Oh my goodness that's a lot of sites
 
5:44 AM
Makes me look like an infant. :-)
Very good mod! Knows all the ins and outs.
 
I might nominate him here even though he might not even have an account :)
 
Very even handed, and yet decisive when needed.
LOL!!!
That would be hilarious!
He'd be a good mod, I'm sure of it.
:-)
 
Many people would probably be very confused :P
 
:D (I still think it would be absolutely hilarious! Imagine his surprise!)
I'm laughing just thinking about it!
 
Imagine a mod with 101 rep
 
5:48 AM
@Rory: you've been elected to moderate Health.SE.
lol! 101! hahaha
Ah, that is too funny.
 
He'd probably manage to get that number up pretty quickly though
 
I'm sure he would!
 
I'm surprised SE hasn't hired him yet
 
Yeah, I'd be surprised, too, if he didn't get offered a position.
 
SE has hired a lot of people recently, usually people who were mods before
 
5:51 AM
Yep. They have.
You are our top user here. :-)
 
It's only because I have 30 something answers
 
That's a good reason, I think! Proves your interest and dedication.
Asking questions is so much harder than answering them.
 
Asking high-quality questions is hard.
 
You ask questions, too.
 
Only a few
 
5:53 AM
Yes. I was trying to think of good questions earlier.
Oh, I think I'm going to answer that zinc question.
 
Your question about the zinc lozenges?
 
I'm taking zinc right now (blushing)
Yes. I think they're great!
The studies are interesting, too.
 
I remember being up until 2:00 a.m. researching about that. It was very interesting
 
I think it's a strange element, zinc. Toxic in larger doses...
@michaelpri I'm glad you thought so! I upvoted your answer, but I realized I didn't really ask it well.
If I edit the question, do you want to take a stab at it again?
 
Sure
 
5:56 AM
For instance, the studies favor zinc gluconate.
OK, that's great!
I don't want to make more work for you, but I think it's really interesting.
 
No, I've been waiting for something to do :)
 
The US is somewhat lagging on "alternative" medicines, even those with good track records in Europe.
I'm not well versed in alternative medicine, but I tey to keep up on things that might actually work.
In the US, that's few and far between.
OK, I'll rewrite, and thank you!
I hope it's worth your while.
Nasal zinc, which was initially pretty effective, turned out to be too toxic for your nose. :-O
Scary.
It is nice chatting with you.
 
You too :)
 
I should try to get some sleep. :-)
Kinda have a full day tomorrow.
CU soon.
:-)
 
Goodbye
Cya :)
 
6:02 AM
(oops, today)
Goodnight!
 
 
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1:19 PM
Anyone on?
 
Tim
kinda :)
 
@Tim Hey :)
 
Tim
1:32 PM
Hi :)
my sister's God mother is round so I'm on and off
 
Oh ok
 
Tim
you doing much today?
 
2:07 PM
argh.
 
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Q: Question that should not be closed is being closed

JezAt the time of writing, my question here is on the verge of being closed: Sudden neck pain when leaning back This is exactly the kind of thing I was worried about when I wrote this meta post: Should we try to reword "personalized" questions instead of closing? This question is, IMHO, not off-to...

 
 
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3:28 PM
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Q: Are asking for users experience off-topic here?

Why_SE_bulling_new_usersIs it here allow to ask users about her own experience about something like medications, illnesses, operations, therapies etc? Example questions could be: Have you ever made a mandibular osteotomy operation and how what it? Pain after the opeation? Something who got wrong with that etc. What i...

 
4:18 PM
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Q: How can we help the community to develop a more discerning approach to ideas presented here?

SusanThis was prompted by Mad Scientist’s recently updated Meta post, a Meta answer by Anongoodnurse that has received disturbingly little attention, and my own recent response to a question on Main that ended up revealing as much about my interests in site-wide education on critical data analysis as ...

 
 
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Tim
5:51 PM
@JohnP ???
 
6:35 PM
Hello everyone :)
 
Tim
hi :)
What do you think of this:
 
@Tim Looks pretty good
 
Tim
:) Is it too long?
I'm going to do a desk accessories series.
 
Not really
 
Jez
hi guys, how's it going?
 
6:47 PM
@Jez Hey
 
Jez
@Tim talking of furniture, how about you (and anyone else here) follow my Furniture proposal? area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/86175/…
 
@Jez I'm not really interested in furniture, but I'll check it out
 
Jez
cool
follow it please
 
I followed it
 
Jez
yay thanks
 
6:57 PM
I'm not sure if it'll make it though
 
Jez
shrug
you could say that about any proposal
 
Yeah, but it might not be a broad enough topic
 
Jez
@michaelpri do you know anyone else who is interested in furniture? i wouldn't be surprised if it were more female-centric, actually.
@michaelpri possibly, although i think it would be surprisingly broad. there's quite a lot of info about the design/cost/etc of different pieces of furniture, and how to lay it out
it is, after all, stuff that people use every day
 
I wouldn't really know that well, I don't usually think about that kind of stuff
 
Jez
well that's the point
not enough people do
we just had an office redesign where i work, and the new chairs suck
they hurt my back.
 
7:04 PM
well was that more of a cost based issue or poor choices?
 
Jez
hmm
not sure. I'd say poor choice, because i heard they cost a fortune
and my boss chose them, not me
 
i know a lot of choices get made on cost
got lucky where I am and have good chairs
ones that I would actually use at home
 
Jez
that is lucky.
the main gripe i have with the ones they just bought at work is the back.
it is one of those backs that reclines - not a problem except for one thing - you can't lock it in position
normally, when i have a chair whose back reclines and doesn't lock in position, I think it's broken. but these ones are by design. ffs.
I want to lean back to a certain degree, then lock the back there. can't do it.
it's a terrible design
 
ah
i like mine in the free mode position
 
Jez
sigh
just why?
you lean back and thing gives
 
7:14 PM
on another topic wonder how long people will have to accept/decline the moderator nominations
 
Jez
dunno, but i won't agree with medica being in there
pfft.
 
Tim
it would be nice if you gave us a link @Jez and if she gets it by vote then she gets it.
you just made a claim with no evidence at all.
 
@JoeW Depends
@Jez I saw what you linked to, but personally I think she'd make a great mod
 
Jez
@Tim go check. i did link.
@michaelpri she get in temper tantrums over stupid little things.
good mods don't do that.
 
Tim
Umm different site for a start...
 
7:18 PM
I don't see an issue with any of them atm
and if there is an issue there are ways of dealing with it
 
Jez
@Tim what does that matter?
@JoeW yeah like not choosing them for mod
 
@Jez I mean if there are issues with a mod there are ways of dealing with it
and people can change behaviors when they become a mod
act one way when not a mod and change when a mod
being a mod doesn't mean you can't have disagreements with others
 
Jez
well she told me not to ask her anything again. so i think she would be biased against me from the start.
so much for a good mod.
 
just means how you handle them where you are a mod has the be fair
 
Tim
I don't think that chat transcript backs up this claim that well:
She has shown a volatile and at times hostile attitude to me. I would recommend against her being a moderator. — Jez 20 hours ago
 
7:21 PM
whats wrong with that?
you can't be a mod if you don't want to help everyone?
 
Tim
I wouldn't call that hostile, and it was one time.
 
Maybe she was having a bad day
 
Tim
you seem to have over reacted. she is entitled to be annoyed if you question what she does for a living, especially after 7 years of training.
Another good explanation ^^^
 
and she does have mod experience
but that might also mean she doesn't have the time to add another site for mod duties
 
Jez
@Tim it was clearly a joke
 
7:23 PM
so have to see if she accepts before it matters
 
Tim
That doesn't mean it is funny.
 
@JoeW I was talking with her last night and she said Parenting.SE isn't very busy
 
yep
 
Jez
"mod experience", great
 
figure it wont be an issue but I didn't have any knowledge about how busy that site is and she is
 
Jez
7:24 PM
but do we want people having lots of power over many sites?
if anything, i'd want to avoid giving people overarching power
might go to their head
 
I think two or three sites is fine, there is even someone who is a mod on 7 sites
 
Jez
and that's a good thing? that's merely a fact
 
Good mods won't let power go to their head and if they do, you can kick them out
 
Jez
it's pretty hard to kick them out
 
Tim
weeel, no it's not that hard
 
7:26 PM
If they do something really bad it's not
 
mods can be removed if they are not doing what they should be
 
Tim
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A: Handling Calls to Remove a Moderator

Shog9Moderator Action Review Process After much discussion, debate, reflection, consultation, frustration, revelation, constipation and inspiration, we've settled on the following process for allowing a team of moderators to remove one of their own. It is, by necessity, somewhat formal: this process...

 
Jez
2/3ds of mods have to agree to remove the mod
and as mods get to be all buddy-buddy that's less likely to happen
that actually seems like a really bad idea
it should be down to a community vote, not a mod vote
or maybe a community OR mod vote
if either doesn't have confidence in the mod, the mod goes
 
Tim
they voted them in
not how democracy works.
 
If she's hostile and volatile as you said, then the mods wouldn't get buddy-buddy with her
 
Jez
7:36 PM
@Tim ever heard of recall elections?
@michaelpri oh, she'd be selective in who she was hostile to, i'm sure
 
Tim
Nope, I'm from the UK, "There is no recall procedure in the UK, although following the MPs’ expenses scandal the main political parties proposed introducing different forms of recall."
 
Jez
quite.
 
Tim
@Jez well if she is selective then those that dislike her can flag the behaviour. To those she isn't, no problem.
 
If you really don't want her to be a mod, but other people do, then she will become a mod
 
Jez
it may be about to happen. people elect someone (although not ALL people), and then they may discover that person isn't who they thought they were
 
Tim
7:37 PM
Just down vote her nomination
 
Has she ever been hostile to you besides that one time?
 
Tim
fine, she gets elected, the other 2 realise she is bad and kick her out?
 
Mod's don't become buddy buddy because they are mods
and most will want to get rid of a bad mod
 
Jez
@Tim you don't think a mod would ever brown-nose the people they need to?
that's kind of how most people work
 
one thing you need to remember is that it is hard for a non mod or non se employee to see everything that a mod is doing
 
Tim
7:39 PM
Ask @michaelpri says, currently your argument is "once she got offended at me when I made a non funny joke".
 
Jez
@JoeW well maybe it should be
 
Tim
I wouldn't call her response hostile
 
And you don't think they wont listen to the community if complaints about a mod are raised?
 
Jez
@Tim ahem, non-funny is subjective
 
Tim
@Jez then make a feature request.
 
7:40 PM
nope there is a lot of private infromation that mods deal with that not everyone needs to know
 
Jez
most people in the chatroom found it hilarious
@JoeW who cares whether they "need" to know it?
 
Tim
yes it is. and you made a bad judgement, and she found it offensive and she is entitled to. I wouldn't have done.
 
stackechange cares
 
Jez
this site should be as open as possible. it doesn't even allow private messages
 
and the mods have to sign agreements with what they are allowed to share
 
Jez
7:41 PM
they seem to care about avoiding secrecy
another thing i don't like about medica is that she seems to be in the camp of "aggressively closing questions" if they're "too personalized"
it's gonna get like StackOverflow where no-one can ask anything
 
pretty sure there have been posts on meta stackexchange on why they don't show all of what a mod does
 
Jez
she was even talking about not joining this site because it might be too permissive of questions
 
Tim
lol don't bring that up
 
Jez
erm, why?
 
strange I see lots of new questions getting upvoted there all the time
 
Tim
7:43 PM
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Q: Question that should not be closed is being closed

JezAt the time of writing, my question here is on the verge of being closed: Sudden neck pain when leaning back This is exactly the kind of thing I was worried about when I wrote this meta post: Should we try to reword "personalized" questions instead of closing? This question is, IMHO, not off-to...

 
Jez
@JoeW I see lots of questions getting closed there, and comments saying "this shouldn't have been closed. it was useful, and so were the answers"
 
Tim
You mean the funny ones? examples?
 
useful does not mean it is a fit for the site
 
I don't really see any benefit to continuing this discussion. The SE employees choosing mods look into the history of the users, they will be aware of any such issues. You commented on the nomination, that is sufficient. And we don't even know if we get any mods, the site is still not out of private beta
 
:)
 
Jez
7:45 PM
@JoeW fit for the site, sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
what is "fit for the site" has been being reduced all the time, and for little-to-no reason
the fact is, Stack Overflow would never have been that popular if they originally took the same question closing policy as they do today.
people wanted to go and ask a very broad spectrum of questions, and they could
they got a bunch of questions, then they cracked down. i think it sucks.
 
then take it up on the meta site
 
Jez
no, i can't be bothered. it's one big groupthink there.
waste of time.
 
@Jez If you want to really change the site, run for mod
 
then stop complaining about it
 
Jez
i'm not complaining about it. i'm talking about this site's policy.
 
7:47 PM
this site is different
 
Jez
and how it should frankly be different and more inclusive.
yes, i know.
 
if you got problems about a question that got closed then bring it up
otherwise don't worry about it
 
Jez
so people like TIm can tell me to shut up?
hum.
 
you seem to be complaining about something that hasn't happened yet
 
Tim
I didn't say shut up
my mother says that is rude
i said that based on your recent meta posts, you may not enjoy participating in this site - there may be a better one for you. This site may be a bad fit because you want it to be something it isn't
 
Jez
7:51 PM
i find your attitude hostile
 
Tim
Hmm, you find a lot of things hostile
"showing or feeling opposition or dislike; unfriendly."
 
To whoever flagged this, please only use those flags for truly offensive posts
 
Tim
yeeh, maybe
 
Jez
i have already participated in this site plenty
one question comes up and you suggest i "might not enjoy participating"
how ridiculous
 
Tim
@Jez and continue to participate, but please ensure you keep to the voted rules.
 
Jez
7:53 PM
the voted rules a) do not necessarily make my question off-topic and b) are not settled on yet
 
Tim
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A: OMG... A site about Health?

ScimonsterRegarding personal advice, some other sites have close reasons for this. Judaism.SE has a close reason for "ask your rabbi". Christianity.SE has a close reason for "ask your pastor". I think that when Health moves out of private beta we could also have a close reason for "ask your doctor".

Currently, we are closing based on them
 
Jez
i already read that
yes, there is a rule about "ask your doctor"
 
Tim
I'm just posting it so people know what I'm referring to.
 
Jez
so what?
it just means that some questions are not appropriate for the site
 
guys if you feel like using SE sites upsets you and you have better things to do, I know it's gonna sound obvious, but you would probably enjoy doing other things better
peace!
 
Jez
7:54 PM
well i could've told you that before it started
 
Tim
so what? I deemed that question to be too personalised and beyond editing to make it broader, and it fits under that umbrella.
 
Jez
neck pain is a very general thing and a very common thing
 
Tim
And 4 other agree on that
 
Jez
it is not a particularly personalized question.
yes, once there is one close vote, i have noticed a tendency for people to dogpile
 
Tim
Well then again, bring it up on meta.se that the system needs to change
"I was leaning back in my chair and I got sudden neck pain. It's a sharp pain" sounds to me like it is about you that makes it very personalised.
 
Jez
7:56 PM
in this case it was about me, but it can and does happen regularly
there's no reason general advice cannot be given out about this phenomenon
 
Tim
Well the community has said there is a reason.
 
How can we know what is the root cause? All that was posted is when leaning back a sharp sudden pain happens
there is more then one cause to that issue and no idea of knowing how serious it can be
 
Jez
you can't know what the root cause is, but that post TIm linked to actually has Robert saying that we shouldn't worry too much about that
> We are not your doctor and we do not dispense PERSONALIZED medical advice here. But I've been watching this self-inflicted moratorium on legal and medical advice permeating this network for years, and it's just not prudent to freak out over someone asking how to remove a splinter… followed by all the grave concerns that such "medical advice" could cause infection or cause the loss of the entire arm... or worse.
>
> That's just nonsense.
 
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