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12:26 AM
@MikeHoneychurch Good idea. I just checked a class of bugs in Graph that affected me, and that one has been fixed.
It's also a question what to do with fixed bugs. Tag them with the version of the buggy release perhaps?
 
12:40 AM
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Q: What to do with [bugs] questions now that version 9 is released?

Szabolcs@MikeHoneychurch asked in chat what we should do with questions that have been tagged as [bugs] now that version 9 was released. Some of these bugs might be fixed in version 9. This post is to start a discussion for deciding this.

 
1:10 AM
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Q: What to do with [bugs] questions now that version 9 is released?

Szabolcs@MikeHoneychurch asked in chat what we should do with questions that have been tagged as [bugs] now that version 9 was released. Some of these bugs might be fixed in version 9. This post is to start a discussion for deciding this.

 
 
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2:35 AM
@Szabolcs You could always use tin to read news (need to compile from sources on OS X, though.)
 
0
Q: Has the Mathematica StackExchange uploader stopped working for anyone else?

George WolfeThe Mathematica StackExchange uploader stopped working after I installed V9. Has this happened for anyone else?

 
 
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4:52 AM
@F'x do you ever use Workbench?
 
 
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6:20 AM
can you tell me how to get x and y out of this
(x - x1)^2 + (y - y1)^2 = r1^2,
(x - x2)^2 + (y - y2)^2 = r2^2,
(x - x3)^2 + (y - y3)^2 = r3^2
if I know x1, x2, x3 and r1, r2, r3
x1 = 5
y1 = 16
r1 = 7

x2 = 16
y2 = 15
r2 = 6

x3 = 3
y3 = 9
r3 = 9
 
F'x
7:08 AM
@Szabolcs no, why?
 
7:38 AM
@KārlisBaumanis x=-12.1695 and y= -1.79924. Use LeastSquares[]
any one would know why my Mathematica 9 stopped beeping? I made sure all notifications have beep on them. But I see error messages go to console, and no beep. Audio works ok on PC. I can hear music. Looked at optionInspector, do not see anything there
Also when I do Beep[] I do hear a beep.
I fixed it! I had to turn on the "Minor user interface warning also". That was off for some reason. case closed
 
 
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9:28 AM
Can anyone offer a good into to mathematica syntax? (&, #, @, etc). I know what some of these are in the abstract (# means pure function for example) but I don't really know what they mean concretely. Is there a good reference?
 
9:52 AM
Anyone from WRI? I just posted a bug/cry for help, on support (M9 keeps crashing, and this is not the BSOD thing), and received an automatic answer on my e-mail (up to here everything is normal), stating "Mathematica 8 is available, See what's new at: wolfram.com/mathematica/new-in-8"; (this is the part that needs correction). Should I do a bug report on the bug report feedback message?
 
10:48 AM
thanks! Can you give an example how to use LeastSquares on this equation? I can't understand what is the right syntax

c1 = {(x - x1)^2 + (y - y1)^2 = r1^2}
c2 = {(x - x2)^2 + (y - y2)^2 = r2^2}
c3 = {(x - x3)^2 + (y - y3)^2 = r3^2}

a = LeastSquares[{c1, c2, c3}, x]
 
I had planned to download an install 9 in the next day or two but just came across this: groups.google.com/group/comp.soft-sys.math.mathematica/… Unfortunately I am still on Mac 10.6.8. Has anyone else experienced any problems running V9 on 10.6.8?
 
 
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12:27 PM
@KārlisBaumanis, just type

eq1 = (x - x1)^2 + (y - y1)^2 == r1^2;
eq2 = (x - x2)^2 + (y - y2)^2 == r2^2;
eq3 = (x - x3)^2 + (y - y3)^2 == r3^2;

c = CoefficientArrays[{eq1, eq2, eq3}, {x, y}];
LeastSquares[c[[2]], c[[1]]] // N

{-12.1695, -1.79924}
 
12:57 PM
Does anyone know what the issue is w version 9 on Windows? The windows variant is no longer downloadable from Wolfram.
 
1:19 PM
@FredrikD Due to font problems some of us suffered during installation, a repackaged version that resolves the installation problems will most likely be made available during the day.
 
 
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3:35 PM
I have something like this

During evaluation of In[282]:= CoefficientArrays::ivar: 370 Sqrt[797] is not a valid variable. >>

During evaluation of In[282]:= LeastSquares::matrix: Argument {370 Sqrt[797],{-((7667140 Sqrt[Plus[<<2>>]^2+Plus[<<2>>]^2])/2783)+(64009 (357604/797+4097152081/(635209 Plus[<<2>>])))/(1594 Sqrt[Plus[<<2>>]^2+Plus[<<2>>]^2]),-((1621895 Sqrt[Plus[<<2>>]^2+Plus[<<2>>]^2])/4056)+(48672 (17424/797+9475854336/(635209 Plus[<<2>>])))/(797 Sqrt[Plus[<<2>>]^2+Plus[<<2>>]^2])}} at position 1 is not a non-empty rectangular matrix. >>
 
@P.Fonseca ok, thanks for the update
 
@MikeHoneychurch I spent the entire V9 development cycle on 10.6.8, although I tend to have so many copies of Mathematica installed that opening notebooks by clicking on them has a near-zero chance of picking the version of Mathematica I want.
 
@rm-rf Can you delete this answer mathematica.stackexchange.com/a/15622/187
?
I worked it as solution into the question of the OP where it belongs.
 
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3:51 PM
@P.Fonseca Must ... stop ... obsessively ... checking ... if ... it's ... available ... yet ...
 
4:07 PM
@halirutan If it's an answer, why not let it be an answer?
 
@rm-rf Hmm, don't know. I asked him to work it as section into his question since I've seen this many times.
Wait, then I have to delete the section I added.
 
4:31 PM
Still don't have any answer to Pt. 2 of this question :(
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Q: Mathematica as a normal programming language

KiyuraI'm interested in Mathematica's core language for both practical development and as an object of computer science study. Actually, the former is more of a means to the latter. I would like to create complete applications, but mainly to get experience and ideas for creating my own language. I have...

I am still planning to accept an answer, btw, I'm just waiting till I can adequately research things and possibly add to the answers myself
 
acl
4:47 PM
@Kiyura you should probably just ask support; but eg read the home license agreement, it limits what you can do with it
 
@acl, I can't find a license agreement specific to the home edition; only this: wolfram.com/legal/agreements/wolfram-mathematica.html
And that doesn't seem to address the issue
My issue, to make it a little clearer, is this: If I compile Mathematica code and link it such that it can be run as a standalone C program, can I distribute that and the source freely?
It seems like yes, this shouldn't be a problem, but I just wanted to see if there was anything expressly forbidding that
 
acl
5:03 PM
@Kiyura well, go here and hover the mouse over the "i" under the red "Home"
@Kiyura try asking support. they should be able to give you the definitive answer
so after playing around with a trial, do you find it practical to use mathematica for producing C code for your work? because if you do I'd love to find out how
 
I haven't gotten to play around with a trial yet - support still hasn't gotten back to me
My email address borked their user portal so I can't download it
 
5:28 PM
Can anyone reproduce this crash with v9? --> mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/15628/…
@acl Since you're here, can you please try LogPlot[x, {x, -1, 1}, WorkingPrecision -> 10]? It crashes my kernel in version 9.
 
@Szabolcs crashes my m9 as well :-( man v9 is so awesome but so buggy ... I find I have to use v8 even though I really, really don't want to :-(
 
@Gabriel What OS are you on? I'll report it to support then.
 
windows 7 64bit
 
I've reported it already
Will be fixed in 9.0.1 bug fix update
 
acl
@Szabolcs here too
and my home license upgrade tells me it's a professional license for 1 month :) let's hope they fix that
@ArnoudBuzing I appreciate that you may not want/ be able to answer that, but will the be available for the home license users, or will it be like 8.0.4 which was not (to me at least)?
 
5:38 PM
Is the new version for v9 out for windows? Want to reload v9 to fix some font issues but thought I would wait for the new installer
 
@ArnoudBuzing Oh ... I sent an email describing the problem just before I read your answer. Sorry about that.
I think there was a question on this before, but I can't find it: mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/15628/…
 
6:13 PM
@Gabriel We're very close.
 
No answer to my Parallel PowerMod question (mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/15062/parallel-powermod) , means there's no way to parallelize it ?
 
@Gabriel It is just the fonts issue. V9 has added over 400 new functions or so by my count. This is amazing.
 
Mathematica 9 is now up on the user portal for Windows
 
@ArnoudBuzing have you tried installing M9 on Windows with Acrobat X Pro installed? For me it triggered hundreds of instances of Acrobat Distiller to start and ate up all my memory
@ArnoudBuzing oh, on a second attempt it seems not to do this. Have to have the Acrobat Tray thing running to trigger it apparently.
 
6:31 PM
@OleksandrR., I have Adobe PDF pro installed on my system. windows 7 64 bit. I have seen the exact same issue you are talking about just recently. AT this moment I do not remember when it happened, if it was when I was installing V9 or not. But I did see it for sure.
I just can't correlate it to V9 as I do not remember what I was doing when I saw it. it filled my task manager with adobe processes and had to kill them all
 
@NasserM.Abbasi I was just installing M9, haven't run it yet. Just installed Acrobat X Pro this morning and probably will remove it. Works very oddly/slow/buggily.
 
it happened one time only
 
With the exception of the Site 'Lab' version disk image file, Mathematica 9 for Windows is back on the portal.
This new version should address the Blue Screen issue from the initial release.
It would be very useful to hear from this community if this does not resolve the issue for you.
(Site 'Lab' version disk image file now also updated)
 
@ArnoudBuzing, I installed the patch (.exe) allready. Do I need to installed the new V9 or no? It is running now with no problems.
 
@ArnoudBuzing thanks, I just installed it. Seems fine.
Apart from the Adobe issue but that may well be Adobe's fault.
 
6:39 PM
I mean, for those who installed the patch, do they need to do anything more? thanks
 
We are going to recommend everyone install the new build, mostly so there is a common baseline for everyone.
 
@NasserM.Abbasi I finding a bunch of problems beyond the fonts ... NSolve being broken for my major use case, and a crash problems like @Szabolcs mentioned. Not to mention that ARMA models are unusably slow to fit. Don't get me wrong I love v9 I want to use it. But it is tricky with some of this issues. I am sure 9.0.1 will rock as v9 is my dream mathematica WhenEvent is beyond a killer feature for me
 
@NasserM.Abbasi Unfortunately, although I did not suffer from BSOD, I too complain of stability. I can crash it in 10 seconds, just by quickly clicking on different chapter in documentation center. And sometimes I wait indefinitely for the simplest calculation (with the kernel already started).
 
@OleksandrR. Just to confirm, when you evaluate: SystemInformation["Small"]
You get this: {"Kernel" -> {"SystemID" -> "Windows-x86-64",
"ReleaseID" -> "9.0.0.0 (3868239, 3824640)",
"CreationDate" -> {2012, 11, 20, 10, 40, 44}},
"FrontEnd" -> {"OperatingSystem" -> "Windows",
"ReleaseID" -> "9.0.0.0 (3868239, 3825039)",
"CreationDate" -> {2012, 11, 20, 12, 23, 16}}}
 
@ArnoudBuzing Um, I get:
{"Kernel" -> {"SystemID" -> "Windows-x86-64",
"ReleaseID" -> "9.0.0.0 (3825060, 3824640)",
"CreationDate" -> {2012, 11, 20, 10, 40, 44}},
"FrontEnd" -> {"OperatingSystem" -> "Windows",
"ReleaseID" -> "9.0.0.0 (3825060, 3825039)",
"CreationDate" -> {2012, 11, 20, 12, 23, 16}}}
Did I get the right version?
I thought the old one had been taken down?
 
6:51 PM
No, that is the old one. It is replaced, but only just went on the CDN (content delivery network).
 
oh no ... I am doing a fresh install with v8 open as a bug test ;-) might be another bsod in my future
 
@ArnoudBuzing oh, okay. Alright, I'll reinstall it then.
 
After download and before installation, you can check the md5: F3EEC3AFEC3186001A1A237C88B7A991
 
@Gabriel wow, that is incredible!
 
@ArnoudBuzing thanks. I was just about to ask about that actually!
 
6:53 PM
@ArnoudBuzing perfect thanks. Will make sure i have the correct one
phew it is the correct one. Bug test in progress!
@ArnoudBuzing also would this fix the issue of installing v8 after v9 ... as I find it overwrites the fonts so that v9 doesn't have some of the newer fonts like the wolfram "=" symbol
if I install version 8 first and then v9 all works correctly
 
7:06 PM
Yay!!! New installer works great. No BSOD on my machine even installing it with v8 open :-) Thanks for the great work guys. One step closer to having v9 be the default in our lab!
 
@MohsenAfshin No, you cannot split the built-in PowerMod between kernels when running it for a single number. Only a few programming constructs can be auto-parallelized, things like Table, Map, Outer, etc.
 
No problems here either. Not that I had a serious problem with the old one either, though.
 
@OleksandrR. lucky ... I had a dark, dark night with my install ... never seen so many bsod
 
@Gabriel I'm in the office but I am glad I didn't eagerly install the old one on my home computer. If I get a BSOD there I may have to rebuild my RAID which takes about 28 hours.
 
oh man ... that would make me cry
I'm just happy with how quick wolfram dealt with this. Was such a great weekend of playing with v9
 
7:12 PM
I was sleeping after submitting my thesis. So no great rush for me... now I have to do some kinetic modelling though so I thought it's time for M9.
 
@Gabriel I currently have a Windows 'Restore Point' called 'Blue Screen Issue' for the sake of being able to quickly get back to the 'bad state' ... :-/
 
@ArnoudBuzing ouch. You are a saint ... setting that up would make me worry I might tempt the cruel computer gods
@OleksandrR. congrats! Handing in a thesis is the best feeling
 
There is one nice torture test you could try, if possible: Column@Table[
Grid[Partition[
Table[Style[FromCharacterCode[i], 32,
FontFamily -> "Mathematica" <> ToString[n]], {i, 0, 255}], 16],
Frame -> All], {n, 7}]
 
@ArnoudBuzing done ... gives me a giant font table ... not sure if everything looks the way it should, but no crash :-)
 
@Gabriel thanks! Yes it is. :)
 
7:18 PM
@OleksandrR. Great! I slept, too. Then I talked with my adviser, it appears there was one glaring omission: why was I doing this? Could have smacked myself.
 
@ArnoudBuzing Output comes out garbled (huge fonts appear on top of the grids...?) but no stability issues.
 
@ArnoudBuzing some entries seem to have the tell tale missing font boxes ... is that expected?
 
@rcollyer congratulations! As for the "motivation"... blah. I almost left that out. I wasn't even sure why I was doing it to be honest!
 
@OleksandrR. if you maximize your windows does it fix the layout?
 
some slots in these fonts are still unused
 
7:19 PM
@Gabriel no.
 
weird for me it does
 
@OleksandrR. well, I opted for the overwhelm them with data, so that question became very, very important. I'm going to have to center my defense around that.
 
wait scroll the window after you have maximized so it redraws
 
there is a redraw issue, but this was present in V8 as well.
 
acl
@rcollyer "the availability of data from recent experiments [1-30] makes numerical study of this an urgent matter of practical interest"?
or something along those lines?
 
7:22 PM
@Gabriel you should be able to paste [WolframAlphaPrompt] and get that spikey with an equal sign.
\[Wol
\[WolframAlphaPrompt]
 
@ArnoudBuzing yep works like a charm now.
 
@Gabriel, OK, good.
 
Note: this was not included in what I turned in.
@acl would be helpful if there was that much data out there for some of these materials. Most of them are very hard to make. So, it was two fold: 1. supporting an experimentalist, and 2. the dearth of theoretical data (as well as exp data). The other ch., however, I retread some areas, and that motivation is I was looking for why one material is like it is, and related ones aren't.
 
acl
@rcollyer well then that works too
 
@rcollyer I cut out about four times as much data as I actually included in the end. I was talking about zinc oxide which is kind of not that interesting but people are mad for it nonetheless. But I found that zinc oxide actually does something interesting after all!
 
7:25 PM
@acl Yes, it does, and I even discussed it with my adviser. But, it looks like I may get a poisonous serpent this Wed.
 
@rcollyer So is it all turned in now, then?
 
@rcollyer wow so soon! My viva probably will not be until late January at the earliest.
 
@BrettChampion in the sense, my committee has it, but it needs work.
@OleksandrR. yeah, I was pushing my deadlines ... shit hit the fan at home which meant I couldn't spend the time it needed.
 
@rcollyer Do you have a trip back south in your near future, then? Or is that after a round of feedback from the committee?
 
Or, on anything I needed to this past month.
@BrettChampion I'm in BR, already. I present Wed.
 
7:29 PM
@rcollyer sorry to hear it. I'm just amazed that your deadline was so close to the defense. My final deadline was last Friday even though the viva is not yet arranged and could be months away. How can examiners meaningfully read a thesis in 5 days?
 
@rcollyer Ah! Good luck!
 
@rcollyer Good luck!
 
@OleksandrR. they can't, and hence the reason my defense will be evil. That and there are pieces missing from the thesis. :(
@BrettChampion @ArnoudBuzing thanks!
 
@rcollyer Good luck!
 
@EliLansey thanks.
 
7:32 PM
@rcollyer I see. Well, good luck!
 
@OleksandrR. thanks. Glad you didn't add the traditional line from the stage: "break a leg."
 
Okay, I need to go home now. Talk to you all later!
 
Bye.
 
@EliLansey Were you able to download from the portal (the new Mathematica 9 for Windows with checksum F3EEC3AFEC3186001A1A237C88B7A991 ?)
 
I need to work on a presentation. Bye all.
 
7:34 PM
See ya later.
 
guys, can you tell me why this works for Nasser M. Abbasi but doesn't work for me?


x1 = 5
y1 = 16
r1 = 7

x2 = 16
y2 = 15
r2 = 6

x3 = 3
y3 = 9
r3 = 9

eq1 = (x - x1)^2 + (y - y1)^2 == r1^2;
eq2 = (x - x2)^2 + (y - y2)^2 == r2^2;
eq3 = (x - x3)^2 + (y - y3)^2 == r3^2;

c = CoefficientArrays[{eq1, eq2, eq3}, {x, y}];
LeastSquares[c[[2]], c[[1]]] // N
 
@ArnoudBuzing Yup! Just finished installing it.
Thanks
 
@EliLansey Any problems?
 
None so far? I'm just playing around with it, nothing crazy thus far.
 
@EliLansey This is a good torture test: Column@Table[
Grid[Partition[
Table[Style[FromCharacterCode[i], 32,
FontFamily -> "Mathematica" <> ToString[n]], {i, 0, 255}], 16],
Frame -> All], {n, 7}]
 
7:36 PM
Love the new live syntax highlighting
don't want to try a torture test just yet... I have some calculations running which I don't want to break :)
 
@EliLansey OK
 
@EliLansey yeah the new interface changes are so, so awesome
 
@Gabriel The green highlighting is AMAZING. Hunting down which & goes with which # in a messy lazy function was always annoying
 
totally ... I have dreamed of paren matching since I started using mathematica ... so many dreams where answered in this version :-)
 
@ArnoudBuzing I decided to tempt fate ... it works fine
the formatting is weird
but no crashes
 
7:40 PM
@EliLansey Yes, there is an odd redraw issue in it, but this is not new to V9 (it's reported)
 
@ArnoudBuzing ok
 
@ArnoudBuzing I just tried your torture test. Besides the redrawing issues already mentioned nothing out of the ordinary happened.
 
@SjoerdC.deVries Thanks (this is with the new Windows download, correct?)
 
@ArnoudBuzing err.. no, just the old one with the quick fix. Would you advise me to reinstall?
 
You should be ok, but the recommendation is going to be for everyone to install the new version (just to have a common baseline)
 
7:50 PM
I restarted my laptop and equations that were not working before, work now. Exactly same copy and paste
 
@KārlisBaumanis Usually it's enough to restart the kernel: Quit[].
 
@Szabolcs ok, thanks. I will know that now
 
@KārlisBaumanis Or use the Evaluation menu to do the same.
 
maybe you can help me find the reason why results are different in Mathematica:

Seismology research station A is located at mile marker (100,100), B at (160,120), and C at (70,150). Analysis of the S and P shockwaves indicates that a particular Earthquake was 50.00 miles from station A, 36.06 miles from station B, and 60.83 miles from station C. Locate the epicenter of the Earthquake.

First find the equations for the three circles, using the distances from the epicenter as the radii.
A: (x-100)2 + (y-100)2 = 50.002
 
8:10 PM
probably LeastSquares is not the right method for my problem. Maybe you can suggest something else?
 
@Arnoud On a MacBook which has both integrated graphics and a dedicated graphics card, Mathematica 9 will trigger a switch to the dedicated card. Mathematica 8 does not. Do you know if this was intentional or just accidental? For most of the things one would do with Mma, the NVIDIA card is not needed, but it does drain the battery
 
8:37 PM
Anyone know if syntax highlighting will be updated to include the new V9 functions?
 
@EliLansey what you do mean? What functions aren't syntax highlighted?
 
Ah I see you mean in the website
 
@Gabriel yes. my question was entirely unclear :)
 
probably not ... I just have mathematica v9 on my brain ... assumed you meant the program itself :-)
 
 
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10:00 PM
I just installed the new, new M9. I can still crash it, but interesting enough, it takes a little bit longer. Can someone test the following: open documentation center, and always on the home page of documentation center, open and close the different chapters. Before, with the old M9, it toke me about 10 to 20 clicks to crash M. With this new M9, it takes a little bit longer (if I open and close the chapters really quickly, I can crash it in less than 30 seconds).
 
@P.Fonseca I can't reproduce this. What system are you using ... clicked like a wild man for a minute nothing ... guess it is nice, I have been a bug magnet up to this ...
 
XP SP3
 
do you have a discrete gpu?
 
with the old M9, sometimes it crashed on the first open of a chapter (that's why I found it...)
No. Standard integrated intel
 
ouch
Wonder if that makes a difference ... don't really understand how mathematica uses such things ...
 
10:06 PM
The problem is that I also get a crash from time to time, I think always when there's dynamics involved. And most likely the first page of the documentation center has dynamics.
 
ugh that sucks ... can't wait for 9.0.1
hope it comes before March like history would suggest it will ...
 
acl
@P.Fonseca no crashes here either (but it's on OS X)
 
@P.Fonseca, Hey, I won't keep bothering you, I'd just like to know if you plan to look at chapter 7 of that Wagner book at some point in the near future (I forgot what you said about it earlier). Otherwise I will give up on that route with respect to my question on MMA as a programming language
 
Well... I remember posting a bug report on something very very similar with what is happening on my documentation center. Don't remember if it was on 7.0.0, or 8.0.0. WRI was able to reproduce it, and the #.0.1 came OK.
Did you tried opening and closing different chapters? (not always the same chapter)
Anyone with the old XP?
@Kiyura I told you to e-mail me...
...I think...
 
thanks @BrettChampion
 
10:20 PM
@P.Fonseca sorry only have win 7 ... clicked every different chapter like I was playing diablio 3
 
@Gabriel thank you. Probably there are few of us still using XP.
 
@P.Fonseca, Oh, sorry. If you did, I must have forgotten
@P.Fonseca, And I definitely don't have your address saved
 
@Kiyura see my user profile
 
Oh, there we go. It's only on your Mathematica profile, not SE or SO
 
Sorry...
 
10:27 PM
Blame SE chat for not linking to the right profile
:P
 
@Kiyura Agree
Also, just after opening a notebook, when I press ctr+shift+= (it's what I use on my keyboard to the the inline Wolfram|Alpha sign), it stops Mathematica for a few seconds, and then does absolutly nothing. Only after doing it for a few more times does M answer with the expected equal sign.
After it has presented an equal sign, it starts to respond to respond to each equal sign I insert.
 

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