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Gilgamesh (; Akkadian cuneiform: [], Gilgameš, often given the epithet of the King, also known as Bilgames in the earliest Sumerian texts) was the fifth king of Uruk, modern day Iraq (Early Dynastic II, first dynasty of Uruk), placing his reign ca. 2500 BC. According to the Sumerian king list he reigned for 126 years. In the Tummal Inscription, Gilgamesh, and his son Urlugal, rebuilt the sanctuary of the goddess Ninlil, in Tummal, a sacred quarter in her city of Nippur. Gilgamesh is the central character in the Epic of Gilgamesh, the greatest surviving work of early Mesopotamian liter...

Epic of Gilgamesh

The Epic of Gilgamesh, an epic poem from Mesopotamia, is amongst the earliest surviving works of literature. The literary history of Gilgamesh begins with five independent Sumerian poems about Gilgamesh, king of Uruk. Four of these were used as source material for a combined epic in Akkadian. This first, "Old Babylonian" version of the epic dates to the 18th century BC and is titled Shūtur eli sharrī ("Surpassing All Other Kings"). Only a few fragments of it survive. The later, Standard Babylonian version dates from the 13th to the tenth centuries and bears the title Sha naqba īmuru ("He...

acl

@belisarius reading this sounds like a good plan

Mr.Wizard

Hello belisarius and acl.

belisarius

Think about this:

This first, "Old Babylonian" version of the epic dates to the 18th century BC

@MrWizard Mr~Hi~Wizard!

acl

@MrWizard hi

@belisarius yes, this is as much older than the homeric epics as they are from classical greece (if not more)

thinking about this is interesting

belisarius

Homer is modern compared with Gilgamesh

Almost everything is modern compared with him

acl

12:06 AM

@belisarius how old is it? I remember something about 2000BC?

belisarius

yep

acl

yes looked it up in wikipedia :)

homer's epics are set in ~1200BC (or anyway that's the number I have in my head)

belisarius

Gilgamesh is "He who Saw the Deep"

acl

it's hard to get a perspective on this sort of thing

belisarius

Hi @Rojo!

Rojo

12:07 AM

Hey @belisarius

belisarius

@acl Think of your grandparents, but older

Rojo

and all

acl

@belisarius and deader?

could work

belisarius

@acl I don't know your granpa

acl

@belisarius two of us then :)

belisarius

12:09 AM

@acl Oh well ... I am not going to regret it

Mr.Wizard

@RM You need to host a Gold-farming clinic! O_o

belisarius

@MrWizard Take a look a this "silly" Q

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Q: Adding a Parabola to a Catenary in Plot with the same Length

I wanted add a Parabola to my Manipulate/Plot, that have the same length and the same hanging points as the Catenary, so that when I Manipulate(Modify) the position of the Points A and B of the Catenary, it will also modify the form of the Parabola. So I'm trying to interpose the Parabola of the ...

sorry for the delay :D it is late here

acl

@belisarius how come? it's late here

belisarius

@acl I woke up at 5 today

acl

@belisarius always an excuse

belisarius

12:18 AM

@acl A teenager kid needed help with his homework

acl

@belisarius a teenager, up at 5? I don't believe you

or was he/she about to go to bed?

belisarius

@acl Yep. That's my son

acl

@belisarius in addition to other indications, that proves definitively that I am not your son

Mr.Wizard

Would you all please run some code for me and post the result?

core1[l_, p_] := MapThread[l~Take~{##} &, {{0}~Join~Most@p + 1, p}]
core2[l_, p_] := MapThread[l[[# ;; #2]] &, {{0}~Join~Most@p + 1, p}]
core3[l_, p_] := Inner[l~Take~{##} &, {0}~Join~Most@p + 1, p, List]
core4[l_, p_] := Inner[l[[# ;; #2]] &, {0}~Join~Most@p + 1, p, List]

list = Range@1*^7~Append~"x";
pt = Accumulate@RandomInteger[999, 15000];
First@Timing@Do[#[list, pt], {20}] & /@ {core1, core2, core3, core4}
First@Timing@Do[#[list, pt], {20}] & /@ {core4, core3, core2, core1}

belisarius

@MrWizard Nope

acl

12:19 AM

@MrWizard I'm running some other things so can't now

Mr.Wizard

Much help you two are. ;-p

belisarius

How long does it take?

Mr.Wizard

About 10 seconds on my machine, but you could use a smaller number in Do if you want to. I'm just curious to see the relative timings.

belisarius

ok running

Rojo

{5.506, 5.663, 5.538, 5.569}

and {5.476, 5.523, 5.896, 5.382}

belisarius

12:22 AM

{7., 8.5, 6.968, 8.375}

and {8.313, 7.109, 8.5, 6.938}

Mr.Wizard

I'm also starting to doubt the value in micro-benchmarking as WReach once said; I am certain I tested Take versus Part in the same version of Mathematica I use now and found Part faster; now on a new machine I am finding Take faster.

Rojo

I imagined Take would be a little faster

acl

@MrWizard really? I found large differences in linear algebra-related timings between machines, but did not notice differences otherwise

belisarius

@MrWizard It's like wine.

Mr.Wizard

Gosh you guys are either running antiques or v8 is a pig. My results are:

{0.983, 1.576, 1.107, 1.529}

{1.56, 1.045, 1.56, 1.014}

acl

12:24 AM

I get

{2.11458, 2.72413, 1.83663, 2.47748}

belisarius

I am running an Apple II

acl

{2.5348, 1.99254, 2.84281, 2.0652}

Mr.Wizard

@belisarius :D

acl

on a macbook air (i7 "1.8 GHz", it ramps up to 2.8GHz on single core I think)

belisarius

@Rojo He forgets he is talking to the third world

Rojo

12:25 AM

Yeah

CPUs run slower in here

Mr.Wizard

Sorry :-o

acl

and

{2.48262, 2.99854, 2.44863, 2.96655}

Rojo

What are you using @MrWizard

acl

{3.36149, 2.77258, 3.39448, 2.80757}

Mr.Wizard

@Rojo i5-2500K at 4.5GHz

acl

12:26 AM

on a xeon E5540

belisarius

@MrWizard I am making some voodoo dance and invoking the rain God while we talk

Mr.Wizard

@belisarius That's going in my profile quotes. LOL

Rojo

Nice @belisarius

I like sleeping with rain

Cheerio everyone

zz

belisarius

@Rojo Bye!

Mr.Wizard

Bye Rojo.

And hello Verbeia.

Verbeia

12:28 AM

{3.573, 3.619, 3.494, 3.541} and {3.51, 3.573, 3.822, 3.728}

belisarius

@Verbeia Hullo

Verbeia

Just dropping. Work beckons. Bye again!

acl

@MrWizard certainly with mma it is not the way to go in general

Mr.Wizard

@Verbeia Thanks. It's really interesting to see that the relative speeds between these two are not constant on different systems.

belisarius

Voting patterns are very different here (compared with SO)

rant ..

acl

12:29 AM

@belisarius how so?

there are more votes, but what else?

belisarius

@acl Good questions get much more upvotes. And silly questions get none

acl

@belisarius yes that's true

belisarius

seems a more educated audience is hanging here

also, less downvotes

@acl have you seen what @VitaliyKaurov did?

acl

@belisarius the puzzle thing? nice, yes

belisarius

@acl It is a wonderful advertisment for this site

acl

12:34 AM

@belisarius and to a more palatable (to me) audience than reddit

3

belisarius

@acl On the average, yes

acl

guess I'm getting older and less tolerant

(even less tolerant)

belisarius

@acl Try to stay out of the "grinch state"

acl

@belisarius that is my ground state

so much for gilgamesh being old:

guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jun/28/…

Oleksandr R.

@MrWizard Core 2 Quad 3.2GHz, 1600MHz FSB, dual channel 800MHz 5-5-5-15 RAM:
Version 8.0.4:
{4.031, 4.141, 3.859, 4.032}
{4.047, 3.765, 3.875, 3.828}
Version 7.0.1:
{3.093, 3.375, 3.047, 3.219}
{2.938, 2.953, 3.422, 2.812}
Version 5.2 (`Span` replaced by `Range`):
{2.953 Second, 3.703 Second, 3.234 Second, 3.704 Second}
{3.625 Second, 3. Second, 3.968 Second, 3.016 Second}

Mr.Wizard

12:39 AM

@belisarius Your humor is on point today. :-)

@OleksandrR Thanks for the extensive results!

Oleksandr R.

@MrWizard sorry they're a bit late. :)

acl

@OleksandrR how come these are so slow?

Mr.Wizard

Hardly a problem!

acl

(compared to mine on the air)

Oleksandr R.

@acl I don't quite know. i7 has a more efficient cache hierarchy than Core 2 and can perform macro-op fusion for 64-bit code, but I would say memory bandwidth probably.

Mr.Wizard

12:42 AM

@OleksandrR I must admit I am a bit disappointed that v8 is slower again; I've seen that too often now.

R.M

@MrWizard or you just have a faster monster crunching the numbers :)

Oleksandr R.

@MrWizard I agree; I've often encountered this as well. On the other hand, the time between versions is ~2 years. That's about a whole iteration of Moore's law, so the comparatively minor differences between versions perhaps don't really matter.

Mr.Wizard

@RM I'm referring to Oleksandr's timings. (Also, congrats on yet another Gold!)

R.M

Thanks :) Although, Sjoerd's responsible for that

And the bagels... no one can resist bagels.

Mr.Wizard

I've got my money on the Hypno-Toad.

Oleksandr R.

12:46 AM

@MrWizard what voltage do you have on that 2500K to get to 4.5GHz? Is that base or turbo (if you didn't disable turbo)?

belisarius

@MrWizard Philosophical rant follows (beware): lately I am thinking that Mma is more a flexible experimentation platform than a number crunching product. Probably the finest expert aboard (Leonid) keeps posting java code to make magic happens. I believe that if some code is really important and time matters you should program it in some C variant after testing it in Mma

acl

@belisarius yes: it's unpredictable, if you write sufficiently complicated code (because it is too smart)

Mr.Wizard

@OleksandrR Hang on, I'm checking that now.

Oleksandr R.

@RM 23 kviews now, wa wa wee wa!

Mr.Wizard

@OleksandrR Okay, the auto-regulation on these new CPUs makes this a bit more complicated. Since I cannot remember the BIOS settings I used CPU-z to check actual values. A single core runs at 4.6GHz and ~1.304v. Two cores take ~1.336v and also run at 4.6GHz. Four cores take ~1.336v and throttle to 4.1GHz. I didn't try 3 cores.

Oleksandr R.

12:59 AM

@MrWizard OK, so not too much above standard. 3 cores will be the same as 4 IIRC.

I take it you have a pretty good cooler?

R.M

@OleksandrR crazy, huh? Now if only this were Stack Overflow (note when the question was asked):

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A: Why is processing a sorted array faster than an unsorted array?

You are the victim of branch prediction fail. What is Branch Prediction? Consider a railroad junction: Image by Mecanismo, from Wikimedia Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Entroncamento_do_Transpraia.JPG Now for the sake of argument, suppose this is back in the 1800s - before...

Mr.Wizard

Yes, a T.R.U.E. if that means anything to you?

Oleksandr R.

@MrWizard that's the Thermalright Ultra-120, right (except solid copper)?

Mr.Wizard

Ulta-120 Extreme, yes. I see you are an enthusiast too. (No, not the copper one.)

I know I don't really push things but I prefer low noise.

Oleksandr R.

@MrWizard I don't have an i7 but if I did I'd probably go for 4.0-4.2 base clock, I guess, so the same as you. Currently I have a rack mount case, so it's not tall enough to fit a tower cooler; I just have a top cooler instead which isn't as efficient. But, as long as it doesn't get over 72°C running Intel LINPACK I don't mind.

Mr.Wizard

1:06 AM

@OleksandrR I'm using Prime95 for burns; I seem to recall that LINPACK is a bit hotter; is that true for i5/i7?

Oleksandr R.

@MrWizard for the more recent versions (of LINPACK), it should be, yes (Intel's LINPACK is pretty well optimized, as they provide it for people to produce TOP500 scores with). Problem with Prime95 is it's mostly FFTs, so you stress the cores (esp. vector units) but leave the cache and memory [controller] alone. I didn't find anything that runs hotter than LINPACK so far.

@RM that is an absurd number of views and rep points. Now I see why people on SO can get such extreme amounts of rep. But, the question and answer are quite nice.

belisarius

@OleksandrR You are right about the shameless rep gatherers in SO. See for example:

1175

A: Understanding "randomness"

Just a clarification Although the previous answers are right whenever you try to spot the randomness of a pseudo-random variable or its multiplication, you should be aware that while Random() is usually uniformly distributed, Random() * Random() is not. Example This is a uniform random distr...

Hi @rcollyer!

rcollyer

@belisarius you're still the only one even close to being eligible for a gold badge in math.

belisarius

@rcollyer Is that so?

rcollyer

@belisarius yep, and maybe the only one with the silver. Although, that may have changed at this point. You just have to answer 200 questions!

belisarius

1:16 AM

@rcollyer I don't crawl much on So lately

Oleksandr R.

@belisarius well, I think you made a point that needed making, in a clear and graphically intuitive way. The other answers are just rambling walls of text. Was this answer publicized on e.g. Reddit, or just popular?

belisarius

@OleksandrR No idea

rcollyer

@OleksandrR I don't think it was. Just insanely popular.

belisarius

@rcollyer Curiously enough, the OP is from Uruguay, a few kilometers from my home

rcollyer

@belisarius Weird.

belisarius

1:18 AM

@RM I was thinking the same

R.M

Thanks :)

rcollyer

For what?

belisarius

@rcollyer pest invasion alert

rcollyer

@RM I've had enough troll feeding for one lifetime, and that was just today.

belisarius

@rcollyer where? where?

We want a link

We DEMAND a link

R.M

1:21 AM

the same thing happened with the waldo question... I remember Arnoud felt obliged to create an account and quell some of the comments. Of course, him being a WRI employee, the flames were hotter

rcollyer

@belisarius There really needs to be a middle finger emoticon ... :)

belisarius

@rcollyer I can imagine it :)

R.M

@rcollyer ,,|,,

rcollyer

@RM yes, just denying it made it worse. I should have known better, but I thought (foolishly) that a calm explanation would do it. But, alas I forgot the first rule of life: don't argue with stupid people, with the essential corollary: most people on the internet fall into that category.

belisarius

most people fall into "that" category.

rcollyer

1:25 AM

I'm not sure that's true, but the internet certainly gives them license.

J. M.

@RM ,,⋂,

R.M

@JM you had a table saw accident or something?

J. M.

@RM Yes, the user forgot to read the manual for the table saw...

belisarius

@rcollyer The internet gives the anonymity. That is a like a license to exercise stupidity

R.M

I guess this is the only reasonable comment in that thread:

> In these examples, Mathematica did not actually compute how to make the cut: that was done by the programmer and specifed as a few formulas. All mathematica did was render (or animate) a mathematically defined surface. It's nice that it can be done in a few lines of code (you could do the same in, say, Pov-Ray, but it wouldn't be as succinct) but it doesn't show any remarkable abilities of Mathematica.

J. M.

1:27 AM

Why the sudden discussion on GIFT?

rcollyer

@RM That is absolutely true, and correct. Better than the comparison to excel.

@JM you didn't watch reddit blow up today, did you?

J. M.

@rcollyer Sorry, I've long made the promise to avoid wading in cesspools...

(Not all of that site is, but...)

belisarius

@rcollyer We DEMAND a link

rcollyer

@JM It started out innocently enough, then somehow we all got drafted into some large conspiracy to take over reddit.

@belisarius ,,|,, :)

belisarius

@rcollyer You are the best

J. M.

1:30 AM

@rcollyer Ah feck, it's like herding cats...

rcollyer

I know how to deal with cats, it people on the internet that's the problem.

J. M.

Yes, people are nuttier than cats, sure. :)

rcollyer

@belisarius I thought you'd appreciate it. At least it wasn't goatse.

J. M.

@rcollyer That guy sure went through so much expansion...

rcollyer

BTW, Jens made 10k!

J. M.

1:37 AM

Well, just checkin' on you guys. Later, y'all.

rcollyer

@JM see you later.

Brett Champion

3:10 AM

@rcollyer I wonder how many >10K users we'll have at graduation. Ten?

rcollyer

@BrettChampion Ten, at the most. Eight, definitely. Vitaliy could make it, if we give him another softball (for him) question or 3, but neither you nor I will be in that exalted crowd.

Brett Champion

@rcollyer A week of rep caps would put kguler (#11) over.

rcollyer

True, but I bet Rojo will make it first.

Actually, I suspect it will be Vitaliy and then Rojo.

Brett Champion

I expect people will get there pretty much in the current order, at least for the 9K crowd. I think Vitaliy's a bit busy right now

rcollyer

Ah well, work does get in the way, doesn't it?

Brett Champion

3:23 AM

(Have we seen Jin's concepts yet?)

rcollyer

No, we haven't.

Hi, @Matariki

Brett Champion

@rcollyer ^2

rcollyer

In an odd twist, a friend from high school posted the bagel question on facebook.

Especially odd since he's a web developer.

Brett Champion

@CHM Good evening!

CHM

@BrettChampion Evening :)

rcollyer

3:33 AM

Hola, @CHM

CHM

@rcollyer Hi

I'm catching up on what was said here

rcollyer

@CHM an interesting read.

CHM

Be back soon, have to take care of the GF!

rcollyer

@BrettChampion I know you've seen this code before (after the edit), but is that the simplest method for dealing with a Throw that may or may not have a tag?

CHM

(It would be nice to have chat statuses, like /afk or /brb or /away)

Brett Champion

3:39 AM

@rcollyer In what way do you want to deal with the Throw?

rcollyer

In the case used in the code, I want to catch it, do something else, and rethrow. The method used in Leonid's answer involves a double Catch. Instead, I alter the behavior of Throw to always use a tag, then deal with the effects later.

I was just wondering if there is another way to do that, as I am not a fan of using Unprotect. Although, there are times where it is necessary.

Brett Champion

Personally, I'd use a double Catch. Although I generally try to avoid interfering with other people's use of Throw. Although this leads me to think it's possible to cause a memory leak by using a poorly placed Throw in some of my code. Hmmm..... (I think this is mostly an academic possibility, and not likely to arise in practice.)

rcollyer

Mostly, I don't use Throw myself, but as this was meant to bullet proof the code a bit, I put it in there.

One issue with the double Catch is the difficulty in determining that something tagless was caught as Catch[expr, form, f] doesn't work with a tagless Throw. So, a flag is necessary if you want to know you've caught something.

Brett Champion

Need to go now. See you later!

rcollyer

@BrettChampion Night!

Bye all, have to go myself.

R.M

3:53 AM

@rcollyer And Heike crossed 20k. Congrats @Heike!

rcollyer

4:14 AM

@RM 29k views and counting! I think the term viral is appropriate. Odd to apply here, but appropriate.

@RM Yes, definitely a big congrats to @Heike!

CHM

4:28 AM

Back.

Stack Exchange

12:22 PM

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Q: How to demonstrate our enthusiasm for the product when newbie questions descend?

Leonid predicted that, as the site became better known, we would get more newbie questions. Questions like this one. I don't think we have yet seen an avalanche of such questions, but inevitably we'll get a few each day. In responding to these questions, I hope we never lose sight of what made u...

discussion new-users

Stack Exchange

2:24 PM

0

Q: Why Mathematica.SE and not ComputerAlgebra.SE?

Why at the creation of Mathematica.SE the decision was taken to focus only on Mathematica rather than the whole field of symbolic computation ? The beta seems to be successful so I can't really be critical, but I can't explain it either. Here are my arguments of the existence of SymbolicComputat...

discussion

István Zachar

Anyone around? I got stuck in the simple process of fitting a texture image to a Disk object. Any idea how I can do this easily?

rcollyer

@IstvánZachar I'm around, I just don't know how to do it easily, or at all for that matter.

J. M.

2:46 PM

@IstvánZachar I'd use a Polygon[] instead, if I was desperate...

rcollyer

@IstvánZachar I've been meaning to ask, what did you use to generate the word cloud on your profile?

István Zachar

3:09 PM

@rcollyer Sadly I had to use Tagxedo, as until Mathematica does not develop a proper way to convert raster images to vectors, we have no fast way to create such wonders.

rcollyer

5:54 PM

@RM the troll deleted the vast majority of his comments.

Arnoud Buzing

@Szabolcs I'm still around, just busy.

J. M.

@rcollyer He deleted it, or did a moderator do the deletion?

rcollyer

@JM good question. I don't know if there is anyway to tell.

J. M.

6:10 PM

Oh, no logs in Reddit? Hmm... :D

rcollyer

After the specific allegations that we were a voting block, he got a response of "go away."

At this point, I'm mostly amused. I may even post something there, again, someday. Probably not any time soon, though.

J. M.

Yeah, let 'em cool...

rcollyer

I definitely prefer this forum. Cool heads prevail most of the time. Well, here at least, other places on SE, it depends.

Of course, than there's this question currently topping the programming reddit.

J. M.

@rcollyer Now that's both convenient and assholish...

rcollyer

I like the comment: "Add his name to this field for every report." He's the boss, after all, so he is technically responsible. :P

Heike

6:56 PM

@RM @CHM thanks for the congratulations.

wow, the bagel question got 38k views in 2 days. Too bad the visits per day on area51 is a median and not a mean.

CHM

8:44 PM

@All I'm really happy this site is graduating. Some months ago I thought of Mathematica as only a fancy calculator. I started using MMA days before the private beta, just in time to commit to the proposal. I'm now hooked. The community is absolutely terrific, and the programming language I'm learning is great. Both contribute to my perception that practically anything can be done with MMA and the help from this community. Thank you, and I look forward to graduation.

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(I am aware of what has been said in the meta)

Stack Exchange

9:31 PM

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Q: LeapMotion developers

LeapMotion is presently looking for developers for its product. I've filed a request, but considering I've started programming a couple of months ago, I don't have that big of a chance. Would anyone be interested in filing a request, either in his/her name or in the name of the community? I woul...

discussion

alecco

11:20 PM

I want to apologize to the mathematica.SE guys, especially nintegrated and wyldeling, and also to other reddditors, for my aggressive behaviour yesterday on this thread. I overreacted and didn't stop. I'll try not to be "that guy". I'm sorry.
Edit: I deleted my comments, not a mod.

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public on the trhead reddit.com/r/programming/comments/vqtxs/…

Verbeia

@alecco Hello alecco, I'm not one of the people mentioned - I'm not on reddit but I read the thread. I just wanted to say that I appreciate your coming here and apologising. Not many people are big enough to do that. The ones you were engaging with on reddit (who go by different names here) are presumably not near their computers at the moment but I'm sure they will be along soon.

While you're here, feel free to have a look around the site. We do try to be pretty welcoming of newcomers, certainly more than StackOverflow can be sometimes.

Good morning/evening @ChrisDegnen

Chris Degnen

11:36 PM

@Verbeia @Verbeia - yes it's a good morning, 0.36am, checking out the chat :-)

Mr.Wizard

@artes please join me in chat

CHM

@RM Ah, now I can see your point. I'll remove the question.

Rojo

Night, people

CHM

@Rojo Good night.

Rojo

Hey @CHM, how's it going

Anything interesting going on around here?

CHM

11:45 PM

@Rojo I thought you were saying goodbye!

Mr.Wizard

hello and good-night Rojo.

oh lol

Rojo

Good night is how we say hi when it's dark outside, down here in Argentina

...and I expect the rest of the world to adapt :P

Hi @MrWizard

Mr.Wizard

@Rojo Here it would be "good evening" even if it's 10:00 PM.

Brett Champion

Looks like a party.

Mr.Wizard

Hello, Brett.

Rojo

11:49 PM

@MrWizard and when you leave at 5pm you say good night?

Hi Brett

CHM

Be back in a couple of minutes, I'm having supper.

Verbeia

@BrettChampion All of a sudden

Rojo

Night @CHM, see you back in the evening

Verbeia

Hello @MarkDominus - I don't remember seeing you here before - welcome!

Brett Champion

I sometimes wish SE would easily show you what timezone a person is in, or better yet, what time it is there.

Verbeia

11:53 PM

@BrettChampion Some people put their location in their profiles, but in my case, where I live isn't always where I am.

Mark Dominus

Sorry, I came in by accident. I was trying to get to Mathematics.

Brett Champion

@MarkDominus We're much more fun. :-)

Rojo

I forgive you @MarkDominus

but next time... you better come here trying to get here

Verbeia

@MarkDominus feel free to stick around, especially if you use Mathematica (or even if not)

@Rojo ;-)

Brett Champion

@Verbeia Even so, I don't remember what the time difference between Champaign and Australia is.

It seems the number of questions has shot up quite a lot recently; it looks like we'll pass the Mathematica tag on SO earlier than I was thinking at the beginning of the week.

Verbeia

11:59 PM

@BrettChampion It's 10am Saturday here. Gotta go soon and take my cat for her shots. Might be back later.

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