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2:15 AM
@ArnoudBuzing Wouldn't this be something that can be changed with a fair amount of work? Right now, you have to handle your internal database and you are tracking issues reported through SE too. Isn't there someone who could convince Steven Wolfram to make a step into using a public tracking system?
With this, everyone could lookup whether an issue was already reported, developers could comment on their issues. It opens even the opportunity that developers can communicate with guys that know their stuff so that they can help to track down hard bugs.
@ArnoudBuzing I hope you (and I don't mean you..) are aware of how much support you would get from the community!
 
 
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Q: Mathematica SE Popularity

kaleI saw this plot the other day and was amazed at how much of an outlier Mathematica is. Not necessarily in how little it is on GitHub, but how popular it is on the y-axis. Which got me wondering... why? Is the language that hard to learn? Is the language so powerful that questions keep on popping...

 
 
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6:03 AM
@rcollyer, daaaang…
 
 
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8:37 AM
@Pickett although WolframAlpha will do it: wolframalpha.com/input/…
 
9:28 AM
Is it just me, or does the third form of ImageAlign[] not work? i.e. ImageAlign[{image1,…,imagen}] - I just get an error message :-(
 
 
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11:15 AM
@PatrickStevens Questions with Wolfram Alpha answers are explicitly off topic, so it doesn't matter :)
 
11:35 AM
Wrong in so many ways :-)
 
12:29 PM
@Guesswhoitis. I was on while it was in progress. So, every few seconds I got a notice that I was being upvoted. :P
 
@rcollyer Do you know that problem where a MatrixPlot or ArrayPlot renders "fuzzy" in some PDF readers when it's exported to PDF format? Is there any chance this will be considered by WRI? I have the feeling they don't really treat it as a real bug.
 
Yep, 180 points gone. Oh well.
@Szabolcs interesting. I've not heard of it internally, but output formats are not my thing.
Which readers?
 
@rcollyer What OS are you using?
 
mac
 
@rcollyer Preview.app mostly, but I've seen it in Acrobat occasionally ... though Acrobat is fine most of the time. Let me show you:
Export["~/Desktop/mat.pdf",
 MatrixPlot[AdjacencyMatrix@RandomGraph[{10, 20}], Mesh -> All]
 ]
 
12:33 PM
ok, one sec.
that's interesting. I wonder if its bad pdf code or bad apple code.
I'll pass it along to the appropriate tester, so he can poke the appropriate people.
@Guesswhoitis. Hey, don't mess with my lord Baal! :)
 
This is not actually wrong. The underlying Graphics primitive is Raster. It is exported in a way that is suitable for images, so some PDF readers will upscale the image with (apparently) linear interpolation instead of nearest neighbour. But in this particular case (and in most cases that are important to me) we need to have sharp rectangles, without any interpolation.
So it's not a bug, because in some cases it's preferable (images).
But it would still be very very useful to be able to choose to export a sharp image.
Also, what we get in the exported PDF depends on whether we use Export or Save As..., and sometimes even on the presence of frame labels or other seemingly random factors. Save As... usually produces sharp results, but not with frame labels.
 
that would be a nice to have. I'll pass it along to see what I can stir up.
 
Sorry for going missing suddenly, something came up here, so I need to leave for a while ... will be back in some hours
 
ok. later
email me, if you need more.
 
12:57 PM
@Szabolcs It looks fine in Adobe Products. When you use the Preview on Mac, you can go to Preferences->PDF and turn off the smoothing:
it's the checkbox "Smooth text and line art"
After that your blurry version looks like this:
it doesn't solve the problem because now you lost antialiasing of text and lines, but at least it's a start. I'm not sure whether this is really a problem of Mathematica or the Preview itself.
 
1:14 PM
@halirutan I like that, thanks.
 
1:34 PM
@halirutan Nevertheless, such a PDF figure is not suitable for publication, nor for sending to colleagues. You can't tell your audience that if they use Preview they have to adjust the settings before they can read your paper.
Well, I've completely forgotten about it:
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Q: PDF exports of ArrayPlot's are fuzzy (OS X)

kjo[The following problem occurs on OS X; I don't know if it also occurs with other OS's.] If I produce a Graphics object with ArrayPlot, right-click on it, choose "Save Graphic As...", and save it as a PDF file, the resulting PDF graphic is absurdly fuzzy/blurry (which is particularly perverse, co...

 
@Szabolcs Yes, this is for sure.
@Szabolcs but I see a valid point for WRI here in using Raster. These functions have to work on very large matrices where Raster (or an Image) is the correct thing to do (instead of using many polygons or rectangles). Interpolation is then not a problem any more since you have many points
although... blurryness seems to be worse then I expected it, even for 200x200 matrices..
 
2:19 PM
@halirutan I agree that Raster should be used. What I am wishing for is some Raster option that will control how it's displayed (and exported): to use or not to use interpolation.
 
2:45 PM
"Thank you once again for taking the time and bringing this issue to our attention and helping us improve Mathematica."
I know it's a machine-generated boilerplate, but just now noticed those words... :I
 
@kirma ? is there somethign wrong with it?
 
Not really. My Finnish sarcasm-o-meter just detects a false positive, I guess. :)
 
I generally write something like "Thank you for taking the time to let us know about this issue."
 
Hi all
 
Around here, that kind of a statement would typically be interpreted as "you seem to have become a constant nuisance." :)
But that's a cultural difference, I'd say.
 
2:51 PM
Is there something that escapes me to turn {f,a,b,c ..} into f[a,b, c, ...] without using replacement rules?
 
First@# @@ Rest@# &@{f, a, b, c} ?
 
@kirma :) thnx. Awful :(
 
@kirma That doesn't happen all that often for people from stackexchange.
 
@belisarius Heh :)
 
Occassionally, I've said something like "Thank you for reminding us of this issue..."
 
2:55 PM
@Searke Well, this was really from a bug report through official feedback.
 
@kirma I mean Thanks! The awful part isn't your fault :)
 
np :)
 
@kirma #1@##2 & @@ {f, a, b, c}
 
@belisarius Yes, I thought of it, but somehow failed to succeed testing it on my notebook...
Maybe it's the sun shining on beer terrace.
Eh, yes... ...@##... construct, yes yes.
Er, well, with @@.
Apply[#@##2&]. It's almost as obscure as the original.
v10 curryable operators and composition are occassionally quite pretty, but also I feel when I do something like Applying @* chains that I'm really just attempting to obfuscate the code. :)
 
3:15 PM
There's a point where insisting on putting everything in infix just becomes absurd… ;)
(That issue was among things discussed in the early days of this chatroom. ;) )
@kirma, now, if the very first bug report you submitted had "once again" somewhere in the reply, that's something quite different… :)
 
@kirma sun ... beer
sun beer
@kirma Anyway,just FYI, I ended up using Outer[#1[#2, t] &, {MinValue, MaxValue}, r@t]]
because I really had lists
 
@belisarius Hmmm....
Eh
 
@kirma "I seem to have become a constant nuisance." :D
 
:)
 
3:33 PM
Damn you @bel, I can't afford beer right now… stop tempting me! :P
 
@Guesswhoitis. Beer has been declared a basic human right here. You should emigrate :)
@Guesswhoitis. Beer here sells in 1Lt. returnable glass bottles. I haven't seen that much while traveling around
 
We have 1 L bottles here too, but the corresponding tax is also much higher.
So, most people opt for the smaller bottles. Counterintuitively, the price of the equivalent number of smaller bottles is cheaper than the one liter bottle. Eh…
 
@Guesswhoitis. stupid thing ...
 
One litre glass bottles... well, I think I've seen them in real use like five yeas ago, or more.
Market mechanics have pushed people to drink canned beer here. Also, cans weight much less, and people usually want to puchase at least 24 beers. Just for personal after sauna refreshments!
 
Since aluminum is slightly more expensive to recycle than glass (IIRC), the cans are almost always a little more expensive than the bottles.
OTOH, the cans get cold more quickly. :)
 
3:44 PM
I don't drink any alcohol home, though. 99% at bar... I mean restaurants, and 1% on other occasions, that's actually quite realistic description and not just some random 99-1 rule.
 
@kirma Well, here cans are much more common when the economy is better. Right now we are on deep sh*t, so glass bottles are everywhere. They are cheap
 
@belisarius I doubt glass bottles would be making a comeback here, but of course it's hard to say...
 
I tend to drink more at home than at a bar; I have yet to see a bar here that will let me drink in peace and quiet… kind of like in a coffee shop.
 
@Guesswhoitis. Also, no all countries make their own Aluminum, so the price is subject to import expenses too
 
@bel, ah, I forgot that too; processing plants for bauxite are actually not that common.
 
3:55 PM
Here all local bottles/cans are refunded at least somewhere for a per-item basis for a quite reasonable price. Items have to be recognizable by machine vision for their class in local system, though. I think aluminium cans get recycled quite efficiently as a result.
 
@Guesswhoitis. We have a big one here, but it's highly inefficient and polluting (old tech)
@kirma But you need high temp to recycle Al.
 
Here, glass bottles have a "deposit fee"; in addition to paying for the beer/some other beverage, you also pay for the bottle. Returning the bottle to the store will refund the deposit.
 
@belisarius I don't know how they do it, but traditionally various metalwork industries have consumed something like 30-50% of national electricity consumption...
 
@Guesswhoitis. Yeah, that's the standard here too (for returnable bottles)
@kirma he!
@kirma And the other 50% trying to get cellulose out of nice trees :)
 
Yes.
Nowadays closed energy-intensive factories are being converted to large-scale data centers, but that mostly applies to paper mills. Metalworks are on the scale of their own.
 
4:07 PM
@kirma Yup.The world needs more space for WikiLeaks and AshleyMadisson
 
:)
 
4:51 PM
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5:25 PM
@blochwave I was just reading your post. ImageAlign[{i1,i2,..}] seems to work OK for me.
 
5:53 PM
@SquareOne Hmm maybe it is just me...how odd...
 
 
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7:18 PM
There appear to be errors in the following question, e.g. invalid input and output that does not make sense. Could we try to improve that while keeping the answers applicable?
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Q: Is there a way to Collect[] for more than one symbol?

niklasfiOftentimes you find yourself looking for polynomials in multiple variables. Consider the following expression: a(x - y)^3 + b(x - y) + c(x - y) + d as you can see this is clearly a Polynomial in x-y. Is there an equivalent of Collect, that works on more complicated expressions than just a sin...

 
8:06 PM
@Mr.Wizard I made a stab at. By the way, in mathematica.stackexchange.com/a/56328, I noticed you wrote "appends... to the front..." I wasn't going to bother, but as long as I'm pinging you in chat, I thought I'd let you know that I changed it to "prepends." You change it to something better, if it's not clear enough.
 

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