The Whiteboard

2:35 AM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is about boolean algebra, boolean logic, and Mathematics instead of programming or software development. — Pang 37 secs ago

Duga

5:18 AM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is about linear programming and Mathematics instead of software programming or software development. — Pang 51 secs ago

deostroll

6:28 AM

Hi. Would anyone be interested in discussing about an open cms engine which has to be api-first...?

CandiedOrange

has to be api first?

deostroll

Something like sharepoint, but opensource, and, api-first...meaning every aspect (like model creation, workflow, etc) has a http-based api...

CandiedOrange

that some meaningless buzz word?

deostroll

why 'meaningless' and why 'buzz word' ?

CandiedOrange

because you haven't said anything to give this "api first" requirement meaning

http based api... do you mean rest or what?

there is an idea in design of focusing on your API first but that isn't a feature of the product created. it's a technique to help you produce a well designed product.

deostroll

6:37 AM

one of the features that sharepoint gives out-of-the-box is designing web forms...it has some fancy ui to do this...when I say "api first"...no fancy ui...just an http api to do this...

its just an idea...open for debate

CandiedOrange

sorry but I don't follow what you mean well enough to debate it.

deostroll

so how complicated is it to design something "api first" ... thats what I am hoping to know...

CandiedOrange

not hard. Just write client code before the service code.

Duga

8:39 AM

I think it will be better if you ask your question in software engineering community not here link — Ahmed Ragheb 10 secs ago

Stack Exchange

9:01 AM

Stack Overflow - Counting Developers with Providence

Kevin Troy on November 22, 2016

Our data platform, Providence, has evolved over the last two years. We look at how and why it has changed, and the effects on our counts of developers.

Duga

10:35 AM

Open letter to students with homework problems — Jay 37 secs ago

amon

11:40 AM

So one month back, I hypothesized that in the wake of the name change, we would see a 20% reduction in questions closed as debugging.

The numbers are in. Debugging questions have been reduced from 14.26% (517/1241) down to 9.04% (86/951). That means the prediction has held, yay :)

However, total question volume has also sunk by 23%. Are these changes caused by the name change? Or are there simply less off-topic questions due to seasonal reasons? I don't know.

But for this one arbitrarily picked metric, the name change seems to have been a success, or at least not have a negative influence.

oops, that should have been 177/1241 debugging questions one month ago.

Duga

12:00 PM

Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow — Takarii 56 secs ago

jrh

12:20 PM

@amon interesting; I wonder if the situation could be improved by providing some examples of questions that are considered unambiguously on topic in the help center?

I've been occasionally looking at some of the comments on questions that get closed, I haven't got enough rep to look back but IIRC there were a few that seemed to me like they had the general idea of what SE.SE was supposed to be but might've been missing a couple specific things.

Duga

Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. — Rad Lexus 31 secs ago

gnat

@amon did you count deleted questions for volume? SEDE allows for that (PostsWithDeleted table)

amon

@gnat I just used the 10k tools: softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/tools/…

@jrh I don't have the feeling many 1st-time posters look at the help center before they post their question. However, the higher-visibility tour currently uses “Is fixing bugs made by other people a good approach?” as an example question, which might set a slightly too opinion-based theme for the site.

gnat

12:41 PM

@amon I see. This should probably work too - as far as I can tell 10k stats include deleted questions - amount of closed questions reported for today and for 2 days is easy to count and it is noticeably more than are visible in search by closed:yes

jrh

@amon I've been following the site for a year now and I'm still not 100% sure what's on and off topic here, to be completely honest

I find the topic of software design very interesting though.

amon

12:56 PM

@jrh If you see a question and wonder why that question is or isn't off-topic, just ask here in chat. That would help me too, since I'd like to understand what parts of the scope are unclear.

The teacher's dilemma: once I understand something, I can no longer comprehend not understanding it.

Duga

2:13 PM

Whoever voted to close, give me a reason? Should I move this to programmers? Try to help instead of troll. — Zoomzoom 31 secs ago

Robert Harvey

4:19 PM

@amon The student's dilemma: if you can't explain it, you don't really understand it.

Duga

4:32 PM

Oh for crying out loud: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_(software) — T.J. Crowder 59 secs ago

This feels off topic for Stack Overflow as there is not a programming question. Perhaps it would be better on Software Recommendations SE at softwarerecs.stackexchange.com ? — paisanco 25 secs ago

This probably makes the question more appropriate for programmers.SE or softwareengineering.SE. — Barmar 15 secs ago

amon

4:47 PM

@RobertHarvey A student can articulate their (possibly incomplete) understanding. A careful teacher can then prune mistakes and affirm the correct parts, and fill in what is missing.

There's no good response to “I don't understand X” if X was already explained – repeating an explanation in different words is frustrating for all involved.

Instead, “I think X = Y because A, B, C. But we have X = Z. Why?” does allow efficient communication. Maybe Y = Z, or B is wrong, or D is missing. See also: X-Y-Problem, Socratic Method.

Duga

Thanks, I'm deleting this question in 5 mins. I've moved it to softwarerecs.stackexchange.com — Kayot 50 secs ago

Thomas Owens

woot woot. I asked for and got us a mention in the latest Stack Overflow Code for a Living blog post.

Duga

6:01 PM

It may good if you ask this question to Software Recommendations — Div 50 secs ago

Duga

6:13 PM

Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. — Amy 27 secs ago

Alternatively, you may find better luck on SoftwareRecs.SE. Remember to read their question requirements as they are more strict than this site. Also, please note that cross posting is generally frowned upon, so be sure to delete this question if you decide to ask one there. — Scott Weldon 22 secs ago

Duga

6:33 PM

Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. — BSMP 14 secs ago

It's more secure because recreating the hashes in a brute force manner becomes more computationally expensive. Check out some of the answers to this question — castis 51 secs ago

Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. — BSMP 25 secs ago

Aaron Hall

7:39 PM

20 minutes left to cast your vote on StackOverflow moderators if you haven't.

Robert Harvey

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Q: Where is OK to use automatic mappers in DDD + CQRS

As far as I understood CQRS, events are delivered to sagas (aka process mangers) and then saga sends command to handler that is re-hydrating aggregate root using repository and calls some method on that aggregate root. Since events and commands are just DTOs, is it OK to use automatic mapper in ...

Aaron Hall

:/

Robert Harvey

Sigh. All these folks who want us to "just tell me the way I should do it, so I don't have to think."

@AaronHall Should we conduct an exit poll that fails spectacularly?

Aaron Hall

@RobertHarvey IDK, I'm voting for Aaron Hall. :P

Robert Harvey

Liar. :P

Aaron Hall

7:44 PM

Took me a while to come to that conclusion, other candidates made compelling cases, but Aaron was the only one who mentioned being fair...

user114359

I voted for the only candidates who promised me pizza and beer.

Aaron Hall

Yeah, free pizza and beer tonight at the Python meetups. :)

(If you can get to NYC in time...)

user114359

At 500 MPH I could get almost anywhere in the USA today.

Aaron Hall

Ok, then, one's the Python deep-dive meetup - track record of (pretty good) pizza and beer (and wine) but the organizer has been threatening to do burritos. The other one is Python office hours - always cheap pizza and moderate beer.

I intend to hit the first, and then the second if there's enough time left of it to justify the stop.

Shall I ask them to turn off the boilers?

:D

brb

Robert Harvey

I'll take the chance of good pizza over the certainty of cheap.

Two minutes. Clock is ticking...

I wonder if they still have that bug where it says 1 minute left, then after that minute passes, it says "59 seconds left?"

Yep. Still there.

Duga

8:00 PM

HI @dmxhZGp1c2hh , please check the rules before posting. This is not place for software questions. — driconmax 9 secs ago

user114359

I wonder if "dmxhZGp1c2hh" is a fake throwaway account.

user114359

No, can't be. Looks legit to me.

user114359

@AaronHall unfortunately, the Python group is not running for SO mod.

user114359

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Q: November 2016 Community Moderator Election RESULTS

Stack Overflow's 8th moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied, and the 3 new moderators are: They'll be joining the existing crew shortly — please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice with them as they learn the ropes! For details on ...

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Aaron Hall

I'm back, anything happen?

Thomas Owens

8:03 PM

Welcome to the blue club, @AaronHall.

Now, go do your thing and turn your name blue.

Don't post another message in here until it's blue.

Aaron Hall

?..

haha

Thomas Owens

DAMMIT. Don't make me kick you.

Aaron Hall

8:15 PM

I don't know if it works on stackexchange chat...

Robert Harvey

Before everyone on the planet weighs in with their congratulations and this comment thread has to be purged... I'll just say on their behalf "Welcome to the official Stack Overflow Janitorial Team™. It's worth every penny of the pay you'll receive." — Robert Harvey ♦ 4 mins ago

Duga

8:29 PM

Alternatively, you may find better luck on SoftwareRecs.SE. Remember to read their question requirements as they are more strict than this site. Also, please note that cross posting is generally frowned upon, so be sure to delete this question if you decide to ask one there. — Scott Weldon 30 secs ago

gnat

9:30 PM

@AaronHall congratulations! and - keep an eye on this room, Duga messages here indicate questions you need to migrate (because you can now:)

Aaron Hall

@gnat thanks, mod powers are supposed to propagate to stackexchange according to shog, so... I'll get right on it when I'm comfortable that I'm not going to push the wrong buttons.

Hey, it's blue!

jrh

10:45 PM

@amon sounds good, I need to spend some time looking through some of the questions I bookmarked (if they're still here)

for what it's worth it's not just SE.SE, SO's scope seems a little odd to me in some ways as well, though in SO's case it's partially blog posts that seem to go in circles IIRC (I'm not sure if it's old content that never got updated, though)

though I guess to start out with... what might be a rather controversial one (note: I like this question and I upvoted it, I don't recommend closing this)

183

Q: My boss asks me to stop writing small functions and do everything in the same loop

I have read a book called Clean Code by Robert C. Martin. In this book I've seen many methods to clean up code like writing small functions, choosing names carefully, etc. It seems by far the most interesting book about clean code I've read. However, today my boss didn't like the way I wrote code...

design-patterns refactoring clean-code functions

How is this not a rant in disguise and primarily opinion based?

- He didn't post the function in question, do we have enough information to be sure if this is really a good practice or not in this case?

Or is the coding style in question (Bob Martin's) so well established that it's not considered primarily opinion based?

I like the question and I try to write small functions/methods; I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the OP here or saying it's a bad question, I just don't understand how this fits into the scope of SE.SE

Duga

11:17 PM

Questions about general software and hardware are explicitly off-topic for this site unless they're about programming tools. — EJoshuaS 39 secs ago

Duga

11:36 PM

Double off topic: a) not programming related. b) asking for recommendations for software. And for bonus points "industry standard" quite often has a healthy dose of "primarily opinion based"... — John3136 42 secs ago

jrh

@RobertHarvey Not sure if you're familiar with John Carmack but here's another article you might like, I found it in one of the comments on the question I mentioned earlier number-none.com/blow/john_carmack_on_inlined_code.html

I try to read most blogs on programming style that I can find, but articles that mention specific cases where the programming style did or didn't help the author are especially interesting for me.

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