The Whiteboard

2:15 AM

@rwong asynchronous programming.

Or, if you like, eager/lazy, immediate/deferred evaluation.

2:33 AM

That you're mixing the two metaphors is not particularly noteworthy.

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Yannis

7:17 AM

@CandiedOrange I've given up on migrations. It's a failed system that simply isn't worth the trouble.

7:57 AM

Well I'm arguing that the real problem is not communicating with the OP. I don't see putting effort into salvaging one question as paying off as much as putting it into salvaging the OP.

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12:11 PM

Dang you Kyle Thomas. Deleted his question when I was halfway thru answering it. :P

12:38 PM

@CandiedOrange ?

oh just venting

What did I delete that I shouldn't have?

Also, I do need to respond to that Meta thread about migrations. Maybe today or tonight.

Not you. Kyle Thomas. Wasn't down voted or commented on. he just up and deleted it while I was rereading anemic domain model

Oh. I see.

I hate when people delete questions that I'm working on answering.

It's only happened a couple of times. Or when a question is closed as too broad or primarily opinion based, yet I'm writing a good, concise answer that is rooted in facts/experience with citations

yeah, just part of the way it goes I suppose. But really, no warning at all.

Oh well. What you got in mind for migrations?

I see very few migrations here. ELU is much more migration happy.

we're usually on the receiving end

12:47 PM

I want to read what everyone else has said, but I'm generally opposed to most migrations. They are useful in sending some of the license questions to Open Source and Law. But they are usually more trouble than they are worth.

I posted my view here. Wouldn't mind feedback. I don't mind going to trouble but I want to put the effort into rehabilitating the OP. Not so much the question.

I don't want to migrate anything I wouldn't post with my name on it.

But mostly I want to be sure I'm not misrepresenting us on meta.

It looks solid. I just want to add my 2 cents, too.

I don't understand why you're linking to the Meta post on Programmers for different rules, though.

I kinda took advantage of it as chance to educate about what our topic really is.

You mean different rules?

Some sites really do have different rules. For example, Project Management lets people ask about tools related to project management. We don't allow people to ask about tools related to software engineering. Resource requests have different levels of acceptability, as do homework questions and how to present them.

So linking to a list of related sites really doesn't address that some sites really do have very different rules.

Another example: some sites have rules about the difficulty/complexity of the question. Theoretical Computer Science is an example - if your question isn't a graduate level or higher question, it's not permitted, even if it's a theoretical computer science question.

We'll I have yet to find an aviation question wandering in here. I'm using that one for the "software engineering or software development" questions that show up here that don't really belong here.

12:59 PM

I understand what you're trying to say, but it can be confusing.

There's a difference between sites having different topicality and different rules.

The best example: back-it-up on sites like Parenting and I think Skeptics. If you don't provide a citation in your answer, it can be deleted.

Well I'm open to new ideas. I've been using it to impress upon new users that just picking a site based on the name is naive.

I don't think that you need to link to that page at all. Simply link to the /help/on-topic page like you are, since that page links to the SE sites index and that Programmers Meta post.

It's a true statement that other sites have different rules (regarding scope, question quality, answer quality), but we don't actually talk about that anywhere. You need to visit that site and read their Help Center (and in some cases their Meta).

I see what you're saying but that doesn't give them any impression of other options. I don't want them to feel like they have to conform to our rules. They need to find the best site for their issue and conform to that sites rules. They can come back when they have a better issue for us. Is there a reason not to do that?

You already accomplish that by linking to /help/on-topic. That page links to not only the Meta post with related sites and excerpts from their Help Centers, but the full list of SE sites in general.

What's confusing is that you say that other sites have their own rules. In fact, only a handful of other sites actually change the rules regarding good questions and answers. For every other site, the only thing that changes is scope.

BBIAB

1:59 PM

back

Yes, a lot of links appear on the on-topic page. I wanted to highlight this one when responding to questions that are better suited for other sites. That's the context I use this in.

I want to do more than just link to the off topic page. I want to explicitly point out that there are other places to take an issue. If the langauge is confusing I can change it and would welcome suggestions.

2:56 PM

Head's up: Meta post incoming. One new custom close reason, one small modification to an existing custom close reason.

Q: Custom Close Reason Updates

3:11 PM

First: We have a fourth custom close reason added. One of the most common close reasons that isn't accounted for by one of the current custom close reasons is for questions seeking legal advice or aid. In the last 90 days, we closed 11 questions with a comment that such questions are off-topic h...

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4:22 PM

Yay for abstractions. I get to create a new type based on my abstract type. :)

A: A proposed philosophy of question migration

As some of you already know, the problem of bad migrations to Programmers is so acute that we actually have a bot that picks up on migration suggestions in comments, so that we can get some early warning and have a chance to provide come clear guidance before a migration occurs. The most common ...

4:39 PM

> The most common misconception about Programmers is that it is the place where "softer" questions that don't belong on Programmers go.

I tried to help you on it, but it didn't take... :)

@AaronHall Yeah, sorry. I fat-fingered that one.

That's ok, karma will take care of me. :D

And to be completely honest, 85% is only that because the voters on ELL are extremely kind and disinclined to close migrated questions because they (we) know that they'll end up in limbo. Much is done to fix them when they arrive but that shouldn't be the job of ELL... if one site was constantly sending a bunch of ill-formatted, poor quality questions to your favorite site, don't you think you'd feel a bit like a trash can? — Catija Oct 7 at 19:34

Boy, that sounds familiar.

takes out the trash

Q: Users with edit privileges should have the ability to unilaterally approve (or reject) suggested edits

@AaronHall The Suggested Edits workflow is still a bit wonky. When I edited the same time as you, I got the message "This edit doesn't change enough of the post to be useful," a message which should not have been directed at me, since I'm the OP.

That's when it rejected your edit, I think.

Also, this:

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So I go to edit a post, and it already has a suggested edit on it, blocking me from editing. Well, fine. The suggested editor fixed all of the spelling errors, so I'll just approve his edit. 1 more users required to approve this edit. AAUGH! Anyone with edit privileges should just be abl...

discussion feature-request suggested-edits privileges