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user114359
12:11 AM
@StackOverflowNewbie Take Jimmy Hoffa with a grain of salt. He is a dead teamster after all, you can't take him seriously.
 
user114359
 
user114359
And look at me, I'm made of snow! That makes no sense!
 
Y'all scared away the newbie.
 
@Snowman Huh? It makes perfect sense. You're a snowman. Why would you not be made of snow? Stoopid.
 
Perhaps @Snowman is worried about what might happen if he tosses a few grains of salt over his shoulder.
 
user114359
12:23 AM
@RobertHarvey right now? It would probably confuse my cat.
 
Now, a snowman having a cat is senseless.
 
@Snowman I encourage this behaviour.
 
(since salt melts ice)
 
roll up roll up it's primary school chemistry time
 
@RobertHarvey depends on the salt
 
12:24 AM
dingaling
 
user55340
@amon 10k'ed.
 
it depends on the ambient temperature, too
 
of the Sodium Chloride variety.
 
& salt in itself doesn't melt anything
other than that, spot on
 
No other salts fulfill the superstition.
 
12:25 AM
snowperstition, surely
 
user55340
Trivia: the largest salt mine in the US is located under Detroit.
 
user55340
The Detroit salt mine is a salt mine located 1,100 ft (340 m) below Detroit, Michigan. The mine opened in 1910 and covers 1,500 acres (610 ha) underground. In the beginning, the leather and food industries were the primary customers. Today, road deicing salt is the primary product. == HistoryEdit == Rock salt was discovered in 1895. The Detroit Salt and Manufacturing Company was formed to extract the salt. The company went bankrupt before finishing the shaft down to the salt. A new company was formed and the shaft was completed in 1910. A second larger shaft was completed in 1925. The first shaft...
 
Trivia: If you want to make a civil engineer's head explode, show them video clips of sewer covers blowing off of manholes in movies.
 
user55340
@JimmyHoffa oh, we can do better than that...
 
user55340
Volcano is a 1997 disaster film directed by Mick Jackson and produced by Andrew Z. Davis, Neal H. Moritz and Lauren Shuler Donner. The storyline was conceived from a screenplay written by Jerome Armstrong and Billy Ray. The film features Tommy Lee Jones, Anne Heche, and Don Cheadle. Jones is cast as the head of the Los Angeles County Office of Emergency Management (LAC OEM) which has complete authority in the event of an emergency or natural disaster. His character attempts to divert the path of a dangerous lava flow through the streets of Los Angeles following the formation of a volcano at the...
 
user114359
12:35 AM
@MichaelT how many movies showing LA being destroyed do we have to make before it actually happens?
 
@MichaelT you just made me actually do a bit of searching on a rumor I had heard when I was a lad; apparently one of the main suburbs of Denver was (still is somewhat) sitting on top of many miles of tunnels filled with natural gas. Finding out a perposterous rumor from your youth is true: Weird.
 
<-- stoopad.
 
 
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2:11 AM
15
A: Request for community attention on a moderator's behavior

Brad LarsonThis is an extremely distorted depiction of what happened in the C++ Lounge earlier today. What actually happened was this: Stack Overflow moderators received several flags about offensive messages in the C++ Lounge. Among the messages that we saw in that chatroom was the following (warning: lan...

You go, Brad!
Shenanigans in The Lounge... Again.
 
user55340
2:27 AM
If it ever got near that bad here, I'd put this room in galley mode so only @JimmyHoffa could talk. ... and that's not something any of us want.
 
user114359
2:57 AM
@RobertHarvey I've been in that room a couple of times for serious questions. The conversation was never about programming, but I never saw it as bad as those transcripts.
 
user114359
...and nothing of value was lost.
 
3:26 AM
I think I've spent too much time in professional environments, because that all boggles my mind.
 
user114359
@JimmyHoffa I have no faith in humanity.
 
user15026
The whole thing just makes me feel so icky, just reading it.
 
@Snowman the thing I don't get is - that's just not the sort of things adults say. I mean, I'm unfamiliar with teenagers having strong C++ knowledge, and I can't connect those types of communications with anything other than teenagers so, well, I'm going to pour a cider and play a video game. Because wat.
 
user114359
I do not understand how anyone can survive to adulthood with that type of attitude. At some point someone else will "correct" the attitude with a fist or a pink slip.
 
The Lounge refers to moderators as "the echo chamber," without a hint of irony.
@Snowman I think the folks in the lounge view it as their chatroom, which is why they're always surprised when folks from the outside beg to differ.
They see it as their way to blow off steam without consequences.
 
3:32 AM
@MichaelT I was going to make a jest about supporting that we just format the room like that generally; but in lieu of actually reading the linked post, all I can say is if this room ever got anywhere near that, I'm sure I would've stopped participating long before
 
user114359
@RobertHarvey Last time I checked, Stack Exchange was a privately-owned corporation that runs the entire network of sites, including chat rooms. The whole shebang could vanish like a fart in the breeze at the whim of their management, and they get to make the rules including how to moderate it.
 
user55340
I don't believe we'd ever get there with the current blue ratio... and that we really do endeavor to keep the conversation such that our co-workers, overhearing it wouldn't be offended. And we do have the tools here to make that so long before it got near that level.
 
user114359
@MichaelT just like the main site, the volume is low enough that those of us who are active can keep the signal to noise ratio high.
 
user55340
We've got the necessary tools to keep chat reasonable. I'd much rather put the room in galley mode for a day or a week than let it get to the point where other mods start having to visit the room to cool it down.
 
user114359
Nothing I have seen here indicates it will reach that inflection point. Even when things get a little out of hand, everyone involved knows to reign it back in. There is not a critical mass of idiot users who can ruin the place.
 
user114359
3:44 AM
Of course tomorrow we could have 20 users with enough rep decide to make this their new toilet bowl, but the odds of that happening are low.
 
user55340
@Snowman Yep. Just noting that we do have rather powerful tools to maintain the current community if need be. That this is the current community and the discourse is acceptable is key (and the key part of the other rooms having difficulties).
 
user114359
Context does not always matter. if someone flagged (I am making this up) "I hate C++ template metaprogramming" then even out of context that is not bad: one may disagree with that opinion, but it is not offensive. Misogynist comments are rude, sexist, unprofessional, and have no place on this site regardless of context. — Snowman 23 secs ago
 
user15026
@Snowman Amen to that.
 
user15026
@MichaelT THe problem is when there aren't enough mods, or there are enough people with mod-like powers to act on flags on things before they get wider, so terrible crap like what happens in the lounge stands for longer because they created, effectively, their own walled garden, except this tim,e it got noticed
 
user114359
Hah, I edited a bunch of misspellings in a closed question and it put it in the reopen queue. If I thought it should be reopened, I would have voted to do so. programmers.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/125361
 
user114359
4:01 AM
I am a strong supporter of freedom of speech, but I think a lot of people don't really understand what that is.
 
user114359
 
4:18 AM
@Snowman yeah, well, you know that's just like uhh, your opinion man. Now sit down and listen to my rant because otherwise you'll be oppressing my freedums of speech.
classic
 
user114359
All the Dude ever wanted was his rug back...
 
user55340
5:01 AM
And returning to topicality for the room... beer and Canada. ... and the article even mentions Keurig. Century-Old Beer Washes Up Off the Coast of Nova Scotia ... ok, thats a bad(?) idea... The Keurig of Home Brewing Batches Craft Beer at the Push of a Button
 
user55340
For some reason, I don't think I'll find that in the break room or cafeteria where I work.
 
user114359
Please don't let this one migrate to SO:
 
user114359
0
Q: Accessing indirect super class variable that has been hidden in a third extended class

With A SpiRITSuppose i have a code as below : class A { int a = 1; } class B extends A { int a = 2; } class C extends B { int a = 3; void print_it() { int a = 4; // Local variable "a" to the " print_it " method System.out.println(a); //Should be 4 System....

 
user114359
Needs one more vote for that new close reason
 
5:45 AM
Let's say I asked a question about instrumenting an expression tree. Would it be on-topic on programmers? I think it's right down the middle with regard to implementation vs. design.
 
user114359
@RobertHarvey Given who's asking, you could probably ask at either site and get away with it.
 
What most people don't realize is that people will always bend the rules if the question is well-written and interesting. Alas, most people don't take the time.
 
user114359
11
A: Why was my question asking who is developing Wakelang closed?

SnowmanWhile Thomas' answer accurately addresses your concerns, I do want to add one caveat. Questions asking about programming history, while marginally off-topic, may escape close votes if they are interesting. Furthermore, history is history: it already happened, and if a question can be accurately ...

 
user114359
Eleven people agreed with my point about well-written and interesting questions bending the rules a little
 
6:38 AM
0
Q: Instrumenting an expression tree -- How to get the computed result of each subtree?

Robert HarveyI'm doing some work in Expression Trees, a rules engine of sorts. When you call ToString() on an Expression Tree, you get a lovely bit of diagnostic text: ((Param_0.Customer.LastName == "Doe") AndAlso ((Param_0.Customer.FirstName == "John") Or (Param_0.Customer.FirstName == "Jane...

 
 
2 hours later…
9:04 AM
Please check the FAQ - How do I ask a good question? on how to ask good questions, so that you get good answers. This question might fit better on programmers.stackexchange.comAndreas Fester 51 secs ago
 
 
3 hours later…
12:07 PM
Welcome here. Regardless of your good intentions, this site is about helping for programmers, and not a free code writing service. :) So, you will get more correct answers if you shows some your own effort - what do you tried. Please read How to Ask and tour. — jm666 43 secs ago
 
0
Q: How to understand an application through a developers perspective?

Pratik DholeI have recently join a developers team in an organization and they have assigned me a project, now I want to understand that project through the developers perspective. the project is developed in JAVA and GWT. what step should I take in order to get into the application. as I have no experience ...

how the heck did he get the job
 
1:13 PM
This question is off-topic on SO. Ask it here programmers.stackexchange.comЗелёный 40 secs ago
@Зелёный Nonono. Programmers.SE is only about software engineering concepts. Questions about using a specific API are not well received there, and will be quickly downvoted, closed, and deleted. Please read their on-topic help center page. — amon 1 min ago
 
1:46 PM
@MyLetonianLife, Los Angeles, CA
Letonian: A non-drinking, non-smoking, drug free, compassionate, philanthropic, environmentally conscious, spiritually aware, vegan, yogic way of life.
29 tweets, 2.7k followers, following 1.9k users
Is this guy supposed to be a parody?
 
2:21 PM
I don't like how JAXB2 got rid of ways to validate an object model against the schema. It looks like you need to marshal an object model and then discard the results of marshalling to get validation results. That's...disappointing.
 
@JimmyHoffa far too many people find immature things hilarious and thrive on "one upping" other people's immaturity... :\
 
2:34 PM
@Snowman no, no no freedom of speech means I can say anything I want wherever I want and you have to listen and respect and tolerate me no matter what I say! that's in the constitution, right?? ;)
 
@RobertHarvey heh, I heard
@Snowman damn straight
@enderland might be in yours; it ain't in mine
it's not in SE's either
 
maybe I needed to make the ;) more prominent. :P
 
3:05 PM
@enderland ehh... one-upping is one thing, that there was zero-self-awareness-disease, totally different thing.
 
user41796
So.... skimming over the lounge explosion from yesterday. Yet another reason why I have no interest in being a mod on SO
 
user55340
Yannis for SO mod!
 
3:26 PM
@GlenH7 just delete everything and call it good, you're probably right
 
user41796
I'm sure I'm missing a nuanced point here, but this seems to be an exact repeat of the last time the lounge exploded. Just with different user names and a slightly different context.
 
Snowman pretty much nailed it above, people think they can say whatever they want using someone else's technology and it's "free speech noobs!" when.. it's not
 
Has anyone else here ever tried the Pomodoro technique for developing software? I've tried it, and it's pretty terrible when I'm writing code, since it takes longer than 25 minutes to do a small unit, I think.
Although maybe I can tailor it to better meet my needs. Just curious if anyone else thought more about it than me.
 
@enderland eh, to be sure, the more activist and radicalized some parts of our country become; the more I find myself wondering if we should have some hate speech laws like all of Europe does..
 
user55340
Coworker at employer^ did. Not sure how well it worked.
 
user55340
3:33 PM
There are times when zone is > 25 min and entering zone > 12. For this, such an approach is 'bad'
 
@MichaelT I think you can adjust the times, though. The methodology is more about controlled blocks of work followed by much shorter breaks.
 
user41796
@ThomasOwens I thought you were going to be the room's guinea pig.
 
@GlenH7 I'm looking at it again.
 
user41796
And given that the technique has failed you, we have unanimously declared it to be a worthless for helping with coding.
 
3:36 PM
In fact, I'm looking at this ToDoist blog post. Some interesting ideas.
Things can be combined in interesting ways, I think.
 
user55340
There is a neat UNIX task list app...
 
user55340
 
user55340
The customization possible with it can do for some neat things.
 
The main idea behind Pomodoro is time-boxing, not 25min work units. The 25mins happens to be very planable because two pomodoros add up to one hour, with a bit of buffer + recuperation.
It's completely sensible to estimate a task to take 3 pomodoros of 25 mins each, then complete them en bloc in hopes of getting in the flow.
 
This page has alternative methods: 25/5 (the standard), 52/17, and 90/"extended".
 
3:48 PM
@GlenH7 Are you sure the usernames are different?
 
user41796
@LightnessRacesinOrbit tbh, the last one I remember had DeadMG as the center actor. So that may not have been the latest episode
 
It's always the gruff, self-important middle-aged Americans, the embattled Europeans in their early 20s who think everything in the world sucks, and the maladjusted late teen from the UK who hasn't quite left his parents' house yet and thinks this is probably a good justification for dictating what SO policy is and isn't
@GlenH7 Well, granted, he appears to have been missing this time
Poor Machara - he was unprepared for The Lounge.
 
user41796
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That sounds uncannily accurate. You wouldn't happen to spend much time in that room, would you?
 
@GlenH7 I was a regular until this year.
Ultimately, the gruff, self-important middle-aged Americans, the embattled Europeans in their early 20s who think everything in the world sucks, and the maladjusted late teen from the UK who hasn't quite left his parents' house yet and thinks this is probably a good justification for dictating what SO policy is and isn't made me realise that I was wasting my energies
 
user41796
Yeah, it sounds like the room is merely a rehash of the same thing(s), over and over again.
 
user41796
3:52 PM
At some point, you have to walk away from it. Otherwise, you just get sucked into the downward spiral.
 
@GlenH7 right
@enderland lol
 
@ThomasOwens you can change the timebox length, which I think is critical for software dev pomodoro
making it maybe 50 min box, 10 min break etc can help
the point is not being distracted and focusing on ONE task
how you get there? less important. the important part is having a plan to timebox and focus on something
 
user41796
My next game - while reading the MSO tirade, I'm trying to figure out which of the 3 categories the Lounge members fall into...
 
4:14 PM
missed it
 
Happy Coffee Day Progs
can someone check my JS knowledge? I want to stringify all the JSON objects in my array of JSON objects using the following
JSON.forEach(function(obj) {
    obj = JSON.stringify(obj);
});
 
I only got this much lol
 
I don't think that's going to work though.
 
@Ampt no, it's not because .. you didn't give it an array
also, why don't you just stringify the array?
 
user41796
@LightnessRacesinOrbit - caught that one?
 
4:16 PM
@JimmyHoffa sorry, that should be lowercase json
fuckit, I'll give it some other name
foobar.forEach(function(obj) {
    obj = JSON.stringify(obj);
});
there we go
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's awful. I know as much (or at least can apply it better than) our "expert consultants" and I've never even touched an ETL tool prior to about 7 months ago :|
 
user41796
@enderland Sheesh. We try and help someone keep up with the transcript and they go and run away.
 
@Ampt ok, now why don't you just JSON.stringify(foobar) ? You want independent JSON strings for each element?
 
@JimmyHoffa it's... complicated. the backend is actually Java, so it's not a javascript array, but a Java array, which means that it has no toJSON method.
> Caused by: org.mozilla.javascript.EvaluatorException: Java class "[Ljava.lang.String;" has no public instance field or method named "toJSON".
@JimmyHoffa which means that yeah, I pretty much need this.
 
user41796
:25849906 Was gonna say that I don't think I've seen you swear that much in quite a while...
 
4:18 PM
@GlenH7 you can delete my bad words :) sorry
Figured as much, but who knows, maybe they've got some janky backend system to convert C# to Java for the lulz
 
user41796
@Ampt Context, flags, and yogurt. What else can I say?
 
back to the original problem - what do?
@GlenH7 will it really trigger a ban if you delete my messages?
 
user41796
@Ampt Nope, not if a mod deletes the message.
 
I don't understand why you can execute a JavaScript .forEach on a JavaScript array that's not a javaScript array ? in not JavaScript ... ?
 
user41796
Delete means the message just goes away.
But a mod can also flag which instantly kicks and suspends.
 
4:20 PM
Ever heard of rhino?
 
@Ampt yeah, I saw the mozilla bit - I kind of have an idea what's going on there- but I still don't understand why you JavaScript's .forEach method is even available if it's not a JavaScript array
 
@enderland c'mon, let him walk into the trap on his own.
@JimmyHoffa it might not be, but I want to at least try it
 
user41796
@enderland Oh, I dunno about that. Sometimes deletion is the better route. It's a way of saying "don't say that" without kicking the person, and allowing for a corrective conversation to continue.
 
if it's not a JavaScript array -> That's not JavaScript's .forEach, which means we have no idea what functions are available on the object. because it's a ??_?_ object
 
what would be the JS way of doing it?
lets pretend that its JS, but we don't want to stringify the whole thing
 
4:22 PM
@Ampt JSON.stringify(foobar)
oh ok
your forEach should work I believe
 
@GlenH7 yeah, I'm being sarcastic (I apparently am not sarcastic enough for people to assume that :P)
 
@enderland @GlenH7 that's why I gave him the go-ahead to delete my messages because I'm in a fowl mood.
 
user41796
@enderland You do need to crank the snark levels up if you're wanting to become a real programmer.
 
hit f12 right now and do var foo = [1,2,3]; foo.forEach(function(x) { console.log(x); });
 
> from sarcasm import snark
 
4:24 PM
that'll tell you if you have your foreach right
anytime you want to figure out how to JavaScript - open chrome and hit f12 - JavaScript REPL FTW.
 
> Caused by: org.mozilla.javascript.EvaluatorException: Java class "[B" has no public > instance field or method named "toJSON".
 
@Ampt toJSON is executed by JSON.stringify - if it's not there well.. you may need to get a JSON lib
 
nope, not happening. Ok cool, I'll keep poking it to see what it does
 
Execute that to get JSON2 - then use it's functionality to generate your JSON
you may need to snip these lines to make sure it does reconstruct the JSON object:
if (typeof JSON !== 'object') {
    JSON = {};
}
 
user114359
The poopstorm continues:
 
user114359
4:36 PM
Regardless of how one splits hairs over whether the comments were misogynist, about sex in general, tame, invective, or anything else... why is this even a discussion? Chat guidelines are basically "stuff you could say around the water cooler at work." If I had heard any of that stuff at the water cooler, y'all would be fired. Here we have representatives from Stack Exchange, who own the chat room, saying that what happened is not acceptable. Then we have others using this free service that can be revoked arguing the point. I just don't get it. — Snowman 1 min ago
 
@MartinJames if that staff was present for many days around those comments but didn't seem to care, mind, or take any action to correct the visitor from making those sorts of comments consistently? — enderland 8 secs ago
 
user41796
Too many pinned items. Time for a little cleanup
 
quick star/pin all the things
3
 
user41796
I'm torn between starring that and deleting it
 
4:52 PM
holy crap what did I miss yesterday....
 
user41796
@Ampt The Lounge misbehaving, again.
 
user41796
Honestly, I just saved you 30 minutes of reading
 
@Ampt yeah I'm asking
 
@Ampt the technical term is, Explosive Hyperuria
 
@GlenH7 here, lets give this potentially good candidate another trap to fall into hahahaha
 
user41796
4:55 PM
ding! :-(
 
@Ampt neither situation is valid: Here, let's contact their current boss now that we made an offer - so they may have put in their 2 weeks and we're going to give their now-possibly-angry current boss a chance to sink their future chance while showing them the door!
Before or after offer, nobody get's to talk to my current employer. I give previous employer references
 
thoughts?
 
user41796
@enderland It's reasonable enough
 
@enderland seems perfectly reasonable to me
 
pew pew sent
I probably could yeah
but meh, I want to 0% risk this since it's trivial to avoid risk
 
4:58 PM
However, I have used current colleagues in references in the past. But only in-so-far as I know I can trust them on a personal level because of generally good relations overall
 
user41796
@enderland y'know, that's a brilliant idea...
 
@GlenH7 brazilliant idea. FTFY.
 
user41796
"Hire a reference." All you have to do is come up with the details of a few projects and give the reference a script to work from. Pretty much all of the reference type questions are bog-standard...
 
@JimmyHoffa I doubt this would be the case, since this process is very organized but... like I said, no point in unneccessary risk
 
@enderland of course
@GlenH7 as I've said in the past; I strongly disagree with your hiring practices :P
 
5:04 PM
.... they weren't json objects
it was just a string
 
user41796
@Ampt I'm laughing for you
 
user41796
'cause I don't think you're laughing at all right about now
 
btw going to clean up a bit of that convo earlier @Ampt @GlenH7
 
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user41796
@enderland nuke away
 
5:04 PM
go for it :)
I can't
 
hey, I know, maybe I should turn this disagreement into a sissyfussian uremic extrusion all over the whiteboard thanks to my first Amen-dment rights! You there! Bite me! You over there! Words that shouldn't be said! Haha! I am winner!
does it feel like you're all in TL yet? did I do it? Did I do the needful?
 
user41796
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ha! Both of us reposted it for you too....
 
user41796
You didn't miss that much.
 
well you keep deleting your messages and I'm not glued to Whiteboard every minute :(
 
user41796
5:08 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The problem is obvious
 
@enderland that the west what? Do go on. Unless you meant than the west. At which point, no! Bad grammar person! Bad person! Bad! Stopit!
 
user114359
 
@Snowman funny, I thought they gave out arm bands and not badges....
 
@GlenH7 yeah cos I just told you what it is
 
user41796
So stick around more often then... :-)
 
user41796
5:14 PM
I mean, sheesh, you can tell me what your problem is, how can you not see the obvious solution? :-D
 
5:25 PM
They hazed me for some 2 years before I got room owner haha
in all honesty, the deleted stuff isn't even that interesting
just personal
stuff like employer names, home locations, etc etc
I think most of us could find eachother with some effort, but it would be hard for someone outside this chatroom to do so, which is the point.
 
I had to become a moderator...
 
(We still don't trust @enderland)
 
lol
 
user41796
@enderland You just needed a nudge to run for the diamond anyway
 
yeah, this is true
I made a lot of people happy doing that, I think
 
user41796
5:28 PM
I'm still surprised at how differently I look at the engineering site having become a mod
 
surprised that @ThomasOwens didn't go for that one
or maybe he did and I missed it :)
 
user41796
@Ampt Engineering or Workplace? He's been fairly quiet on Engineering
 
Engineering
 
user41796
Not a lot of SW process type questions so far
 
Not a lot of software questions in general. Not really interesting to me.
 
5:32 PM
you just seem to be the epitome of the calculated engineer
lots of weight on process and standards and all that
 
engineering is a site I could participate more in but.. meh
 
user41796
Shameless trolling, sorry
 
@GlenH7 lucky I didn't flag that...
hahaha
 
I saw that before it was deleted.
 
user41796
I've had that one thrown in my face many a time, actually
 
user41796
5:34 PM
true
 
user114359
@GlenH7 I am quite honest about what I am: a software developer. The closest I get to engineering is "sanitation" engineering, i.e. cleaning up after offshore resources.
 
I only took one non-software engineering engineering course in school, and it was Engineering Economy. I also took mostly computer science and math courses for those electives, so I don't even have a strong physical science background. I don't even remember much from the two quarters of physics and quarter of chemistry I took.
 
I take that back - I may have just been subjected to that more than people here normally are.
 
user41796
@Snowman ha! I hadn't thought of that play on the words. I kinda like that
 
user41796
@Ampt Likely so given where you got your degree from
 
5:36 PM
@GlenH7 Even got told I was just a "software technologist" from someone who "built a couple websites" once
 
user114359
@Ampt I hate HTML "programmers"
 
user114359
That is only slightly more difficult than setting up a layout in Word, especially since most people are blissfully unaware that Word has styles and other tools for advanced layout.
 
user41796
I usually remind myself to consider the source prior to acting
 
I have an engineering degree, so haters gonna hate but I can call myself an engineer
I should take the FE
 
user41796
But I would have been annoyed too
 
user41796
5:38 PM
And yes, you should take the FE
 
user114359
What does the chemical Iron have to do with engineering?
 
user114359
aside from it makes steel which is useful for bridges and skyscrapers
 
user41796
@Snowman It's used in making the little whatchamacallits for tau beta pi
 
user114359
@GlenH7 ah, so it helps with frobnicating widgets
 
@enderland I have an engineering degree as well, which is why it irks me to no end.
 
user41796
5:40 PM
@Snowman ding!
 
@enderland I should also do this.
 
user114359
I have a graduate computer science degree and people get annoyed if I call myself a "computer scientist" because I am not published
 
user41796
That's kinda funny
 
@Snowman FE = Fundamentals of Engineering Exam - first step in getting your PE - Professional Engineer License
well, the first step is getting a degree, but the FE is the first official step in the PE
I think the hardest part for me to get a PE would be to fill the "mentorship" requirement
 
user114359
yeah I know the PE part, that's the final stamp of approval for the "engineer" title. But not having an engineering degree or career I don't know all the steps.
 
user41796
5:42 PM
Degree -> FE -> 4 years -> PE
 
@Snowman you could get a PE with a CS degree
they have an SE PE now
 
user41796
Or: Degree -> Grad Degree -> FE -> 3 years -> PE
 
user114359
@Ampt I have heard that, I was looking at a D.Eng in SE and there was not much engineering in the degree program other than the SE classes, many of which I already have
 
user114359
So it is not surprising
 
user114359
Problem is, I like my free time and a Doctoral program sucks it up like a vacuum and won't give me much in return other than a title and the satisfaction of having a terminal degree. Sort of like climbing Everest, I've accomplished the top degree.
 
5:45 PM
@Ampt what would you know you're not even a real programmer
 
@Snowman A lot depends on where you go - some CS programs are very theory heavy, some are implemention heavy
 
@Snowman could get a Masters in SE
those are fairly common
I think the big difference for me between what I did and the CS courses is the amount of math, physics and chemistry I had to take
 
user114359
@Ampt my M.CS was more on the practical side, but I have enough theory classes to move into research if I wanted. Right now though I am happy earning a nice salary as a lead developer
 
on top of the 2 years of practical software development
 
user114359
5:47 PM
and using my free time to play PS4, not go to class.
 
@Snowman Fallout 4?
 
user41796
Anyone playing Battlefront?
 
@GlenH7 you FOOL! you gave money to EA!
.... I'll allow it.
I'll wait til they release the 8 DLCs and the game for 20 bucks at walmart
 
user41796
I have lost track of the number of hours he's already logged
 
no way am I paying 60 for a game, and another 80 for all the DLC
 
user41796
5:49 PM
I think the first round of DLC is supposed to be free
 
or 110 for game + season pass
@GlenH7 it should ALL be free. they shipped a game with like 4 maps
I mean come on, it's getting ridiculous
 
user114359
@GlenH7 yeah, I got it. First time I played the Endor speeder scenario I ran into a tree and died. I blame the fact that scenario is played as a stormtrooper.
 
user41796
It's a bit more than that, but not much, I'd agree
 
I'm still playing World of Warships... it's still fun
 
user41796
I haven't played the vehicle portion of it much. Still having a hard time with the controls on it
 
5:50 PM
@GlenH7 especially with an ME background
 
@enderland I hear steel ocean is a solid upgrade.
 
@Ampt yeah, I've seen a fair bit of "why you suck WG" on their forum because of that
 
I just dislike the grind in warships, and the ridiculously OP 50 dollar ships.
The actual gameplay is pretty fun - especially small and fast stuff like destroyers
 
6:06 PM
@Ampt I disagree ships are that OP
they definitely give you a lot more credits though.... which are my main limitation right now. :(
It's definitely a wallet warrior game though in that if you can't devote 5 hours a day you practically need to spend money to get the higher level ships efficiently/effectively...
 
user41796
@enderland that's why I stopped playing both SW Commander and SW Uprising
 
user41796
they were both a case of grind it out or spend cash to speed up the grind
 
I bought a "premium" account that gives you 1.5x for both credits and XP
but, I am like 10M credits short of getting my next USN battleship (the tier 8 of 10 tiers) since I just got another ship, and... you only net like 200k credits a good battle. So... that's 50 battles at like 10-20 min... that's far too many hours
but.. WWII ships.
 
6:26 PM
I have tons of cash. not enough xp
 
@Telastyn really? what tiers are you on?
I guess I could sell some of my ships, too....
 
5-7 mostly.
well, 5-6 mostly. I think my cv is 7
 
Ah, yeah. I have unlocked the North Carolina, but... need so many credits (like 9.3M just for base ship)
Also just bought the Nagato, which burned the rest of my credits
 
HATS.
 
user41796
@ThomasOwens finally.
 
6:34 PM
There is a countdown.
 
user41796
@ThomasOwens Are they asking for per-site opt-in this year? Or is it just a given that all sites will be participating
 
who doesn't like hats. haters gonna hate. hatters not gonna hat.
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@ThomasOwens that's so annoying, I have no idea what it's doing but it's mesmorizing
 
@GlenH7 No idea. But I'm making a moderator decision here: We're having hats. And if you don't like it, go away.
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user41796
@ThomasOwens Sounds like a reasonable and balanced policy, IMO
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yeh, I have like 20k gold just sitting here with nothing to spend it on.
 
6:43 PM
@Telastyn doubloons you mean? I could use that to convert a lot of xp into free xp :P
 
whatever the free stuff is
er 20m
not 20k
 
that's impressive
you must play more than me :P or be a lot better..
 
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