The Whiteboard

12:44 AM

@MichaelT Cooking posts? Do share, I always enjoy some good cooking ideas.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa shagie.net/category/cooking

user55340

I used to do a fair bit of cooking for myself. I'm going to say my former employer made that difficult (the stress of get home -> I don't even want to think, much less think about cooking).

user55340

And I've gotta redo the kitchen some day - the workflow for the stations isn't right.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT I know exactly how that goes. My wife and I both cook quite a bit but sometimes it's just too much work or stress if we're moving or when the kid was younger etc. We've been doing a lot more cooking again lately though.

user55340

Current layout of the kitchen:

user55340

12:48 AM

+–––––––+––––––+––––––+–––––––––––––+
|frid   |      | sink |        micro|
|       |      |      |        wave |
+–––––––+––––––+––––––+–––––––––––––+
|                                   |
|                                   |
|                                   |
|        +–––––+                    |
|        |stove|                    |
|        |     |                    |
+––––––––+–––––+––––––––––––––––––––+

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT Yeah - this is key, I learned after having one or two apartments that just didn't have enough counter space that I'll never cook because the amount of effort if I don't make sure everywhere I live has enough space

user55340

Stove has no counters next to it.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT yeah, need more counters. that right there is nowhere near enough

user55340

The stove should be where the microwave is. And if you look at the house, it was there originally.

Jimmy Hoffa

need an island

user55340

12:48 AM

Too small for an island.

Jimmy Hoffa

ah, yeah that makes it tricky

user55340

There's a vent + fan above the microwave to the outside.

user55340

With a gas hookup below... and a water hookup for the ice maker below the stove.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT RE: Sauteed Chicken - just missing butter + lemon juice + garlic salt

user55340

Former owner, when they put the dishwasher in put it under where the microwave is for some reason - and moved the stove.

user55340

12:50 AM

I did a lot of cooking with tin-foil for awhile.

Stack Exchange

2:43 AM

The Codeless Code: Case 141: Ill Met By Moonlight

posted on April 20, 2014

At the conclusion of a presentation, Jinyu was approached by several of her abbots. One said, “In your talk you mentioned the Four Types of Meeting Attendee. What are these?” Jinyu counted off on her fingers: “Those who come to inform, those who come to learn, those who come to be dutiful, and those who come to be noticed.” A second abbot nodded his head, sa…

user55340

1:52 PM

> “Those who come to inform,
those who come to learn,
those who come to be dutiful,
and those who come to be noticed.”

user55340

2:04 PM

Btw, one more 10k vote to delete on programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/180339 please (its a leslar (Andy alias) post).

gnat

@MichaelT ...and those who come to sleep

user15026

@MichaelT I have no idea who that is (being not really on your site), but man that is a weird little ramble that person went on

user15026

@gnat Sleep. I could use sleep right now.

user55340

2:20 PM

@AshleyNunn An earlier incarnation of our resident troll.

user41796

@MichaelT poof

user41796

I can't believe this is in the reopen queue.

user41796

But since it already had 2 reopen votes, I went ahead and edited out some of the crud within it

user55340

@GlenH7 Paragraph 2 in meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/6610/40980

user41796

But where did the 2nd vote come from? :-)

user55340

2:25 PM

Note that gnat and I are in the first round on that... if it goes through you'll need to start the close votes... though that said, if we can muster the delete votes on it in a day...

user15026

@MichaelT oh, lovely.

user55340

@GlenH7 Check the review: programmers.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/60152

user41796

Yay! I kicked it out of the queue. And I edited prior to voting so my edit shouldn't return it to the queue

user55340

This is the one that gotta watch. I don't want to delete it because its not that bad... programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/160048/… but 3 reopen votes on it... and I am sure I know of two of them.

user41796

If I ignored the OP on that question, I could see it as a marginal / meh newbie type question. But the comment history has been purged, and that's when he played his "gotcha" games

user41796

2:29 PM

Might be a good candidate to lock. I saw the 2 delete votes on that a while back. It's not delete worthy

user55340

Btw - any other 10ks want to snipe some closes at programmers.stackexchange.com/… (look at most votes)

user55340

@GlenH7 Good point. Flagged.

user41796

2:52 PM

Still growing:

user41796

user41796

Reference link: quantcast.com/programmers.stackexchange.com#!traffic

user55340

Over a week to smooth out the per day variation.

user41796

That's a better way of looking at it

user41796

2:57 PM

I wonder what hot questions triggered those one day spikes

user55340

One trend that you see there is a ramp up in fall, a peak in January and then a bit of a slide in the spring and summer.

user55340

That appears to be a recurring seasonal trend.

user41796

I noticed that too. Looks like we have started our spring slide

user55340

Yep.

user55340

Also that this year's spring slide still appears to be greater than last year's peak.

user41796

3:00 PM

That's a good point - shows that the site is retaining traffic even with seasonal slides.

user55340

One other bit with the week is that it makes that first spike less extreme.

user55340

The public open was the all time highest activity for one day - but that week is lower activity than 2013's peak week.

user41796

Must've been one hella question... And it's probably deleted by now

user55340

That was the "new site - everyone look here"

user55340

But despite being super active that day, it didn't retain much of anyone at all.

user55340

3:04 PM

Its also worth noting (though more a .SE thing) is that mobile is a not insignificant portion of total traffic.

user41796

I want to twist that into an argument of NPR was doomed from the start.

user55340

For comparison with SO:

user55340

Note that they also have the 'spring slide' and 'fall ramp up'

user41796

The ebb and flow of students asking questions

user55340

3:06 PM

Mobil is a higher percent of our activity than SO.

user55340

Probably because you can read and browse P.SE from a phone / tablet more easily... there are things you just want to read rather than solving a problem.

user41796

That's what I was pondering as well

Robert Harvey

3:21 PM

What does the dark blue mean? Are those regulars?

user41796

@RobertHarvey mobile is in dark blue

user41796

3:37 PM

Are "how to structure" VS solutions with respect to 3rd party add-ons (from nuget) on-topic on Main or better suited for SO?

user55340

Borderline. Could be either site. I think I've answered maven structure questions here in the past that I didn't feel were off topic.

user41796

thanks. I'm checking to see what's already answered on main before I ask mine.

user41796

We need to restructure our solutions. We're currently checking in the nuget packages to source control, but that's creating other issues if people have the package manager set to automatically update.

user55340

Not being a C# dev, dunno about the package manager or nuget...

user41796

nuget is a pretty slick package manager. OTOH, TFS and Visual Studio are pretty archaic when it comes to managing separate projects & solutions.

user41796

3:47 PM

TFS appears to have some new contructs to better support things, but if I become too knowledgeable then I run the risk of become a configuration / build manager.

user41796

That's not necessarily bad, just not where I want to play

user41796

(Hey | Hi) @KarlBielefeldt.

Karl Bielefeldt

Howdy. I have a question for the web developers in the room. Anyone know of a reactive framework that goes all the way up the stack. For example, I check a checkbox, it notifies the backend, which stores the value in the database and transmits the new value to all clients which are displaying that checkbox, and those clients automatically check that checkbox.

Most of what I've found only does the reactive part within the one page on the client.

user41796

breeze + angular are what you want

user41796

I haven't heard of any that go all the way up the stack as you asked

user55340

3:52 PM

You'd be keeping open connections to all of the clients running.

Karl Bielefeldt

I'm already planning to keep an open comet connection.

user55340

I don't know of any framework that does all of client and server, but if it existed it would be nodeish.

user55340

Most frameworks tend to have a strong client / server separation so that one can use them with different back or front ends.

user41796

breeze can handle local data caching + notifying the server of changes. I forget where the hook is for the rebroadcast is out to other systems. One of those two I mentioned has signalR added to enable that

user41796

I think it's angular that has the signalR components to enable binding & notifications

user41796

3:55 PM

breeze makes local caching + object manipulation easier

Karl Bielefeldt

Makes sense. I can implement the backend part myself. I just didn't want to reinvent the wheel if I didn't have to.

user55340

In the past, when I've gotten to that level of interactivity (client / server tightly bound) I've started to look at non-web clients.

user41796

angular utilizes MVVM / MVC patterns. And you can hook it into a couple of different service types. ASP.NET or regular REST service calls are both options

Karl Bielefeldt

@MichaelT Do you mean like RPC?

user55340

The statelessness of the web works against this - you're going to be fighting it all the way through the stack... and more than just keeping a session.

user55340

3:58 PM

@KarlBielefeldt Some form of it.

user41796

@KarlBielefeldt - also have a look at bootstrap to simplify the CSS handling if you need to support multiple screen sizes / configurations

user55340

Stand alone app, keeps its own port open for server to client to messages. Registers itself with the server when it launches.

user55340

If your'e in a Java world and want to get 'fancy' (not fancy, just not things people normally do with Java): docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/lang/reflect/Proxy.html

user55340

And your model is only and always on the Server. Everything else just maintains a proxy to it.

user55340

The danger of the web with the other approach is that the client (web browser) is going to hold a copy of the model, and the server is too... and you're not guaranteed that anything will update when something happens (client model changes or server model changes).

Karl Bielefeldt

4:03 PM

Cool. Thanks for the input guys.

user41796

@KarlBielefeldt yw

Jimmy Hoffa

@KarlBielefeldt You may look at fitting a pub/sub tech in there for that. I've used ActiveMQ's websocket STOMP connector to send messages from services that all web browsers on a certain page get updated with. ActiveMQ is just one example, but you can surely use others, probably MongoDB could be used for such fashion as well as Redis has pub/sub and other MQ's may well have websocket connectors like ActiveMQ does

user41796

@JimmyHoffa signalr via angular takes care of that

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 Fuck SignalR.

user41796

Tell us how you really feel... :-)

Jimmy Hoffa

4:05 PM

I'm tired of hearing people blab on about signal R, it's all hype

user55340

haskellforall.com/2014/04/… (note: not about haskell)

Jimmy Hoffa

it's just a complex abstraction over a host of things that doesn't let you get your hands into it very well, like WCF if WCF was doing stuff that you could easily do without a framework.

user41796

Everything I have seen with it is solid. Granted, you need to be running modern browsers (no IE8), but it does what it advertises to do from what I've seen

Jimmy Hoffa

The last point I made there is the thing that annoys me about SignalR. People talk it up so much, but doing the things it does without it is easier than with it...

user55340

> Scenario 1: You write a useful library or programming language, but it is incredibly buggy and problematic. This generates several scathing blog posts criticizing your work, prompting others to clarify in response how to work around those issues. Don't forget to check Stack Overflow, which is full of people asking for help regarding how to use your project. Did you know that people measure popularity in terms of Stack Overflow questions?

Jimmy Hoffa

4:07 PM

The only thing it does is the fallback-to-polling stuff, woopty doo, there are libraries that have been around for ages that do that for you without the huge complexity of SignalR

plus SignalR ties you to .NET which is shit. You should never tie your client side of a web app to a specific server side tech.

user55340

13 mins ago, by MichaelT

Most frameworks tend to have a strong client / server separation so that one can use them with different back or front ends.

user41796

@JimmyHoffa I need to verify, but I'm not certain that's true. But I need to see what angular is using for the equivalent notification component

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 SignalR is a client and server tech, and they are both dependant on eachother; you can't use one without the other (or an emulator of the other - for instance Node.JS has emulators of the SignalR client just so they can access your SignalR server - because SignalR servers are not easy to access like normal web sockets or rest URLs)

@MichaelT SignalR is not that way. If only...

...looks like somebody has a case of the Mondays....

gnat

> Those moderators on Programmers don't delete enough questions

9

Q: New Custom Close Reason: Specific Only To A Certain Site

Part of the promise we made when we split MSE away from MSO is that users of MSE would keep most of their reputation and privileges. In order to make sure this happens, we must curtail migration of questions that are Stack Overflow specific to an essential minimum - reputation is lost on migrated...

love this example!

Robert Harvey

4:55 PM

needz moar monkeys with guns in there hands.

user55340

@RobertHarvey That would be an interesting question...

Robert Harvey

2

user55340

Why do people keep bumping those old education questions today?

Zeroth

snickers

user55340

11

Q: Why must we learn Procedural programming before we learn Object-oriented programming

I'm in the 4th year at an IT university now, and when I talk with my professor about this topic he rejects my opinion and gives me a very heavy criticism (in my university, we were being taught C (ANSI) (in Procedural Programming class - in the 1st year at university ) before C++ (in OOP class in...

object-oriented education

user55340

4:58 PM

I mean sure... its nice that they're alerting me to the opinion questions... but I'm almost out of close votes (I am out of regular votes).

Zeroth

Heh, yeah, that one seems to significantly misunderstand OOP and procedural programming...

What do you write your method bodies with? Fairy dust?

Robert Harvey

Would be nice if the edits were actually good ones.

This is a professional website, not an Internet Forum. We expect a nominal amount of effort from our users to post actual English sentences. We don't believe that requirement is unduly onerous. — Robert Harvey ♦ 47 secs ago

user55340

@RobertHarvey And British even... respect the Queen's English.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey hah, that's the long and the short of it, at least your problems are abstract afterwards

user15026

@RobertHarvey It's worse because he was on a laptop....so it's not like he couldn't take the time.

Zeroth

5:09 PM

What about learning disabilities like dyslexia?

Jimmy Hoffa

hooray for the maybe monad

ugh... trying to encode the maybe monad with .NET's Expression Trees... I'll figure it out but these expression trees are damned ungainly

at least the resultant API is decent

Robert Harvey

@Zeroth People with dyslexia say "I have dyslexia." He doesn't have dyslexia.

user55340

dyslexia is no excuse for 'i'.

gnat

7

A: Are the Downvoting police too active?

Some of these questions were valid, though they could have been written better. But is that enough reason to mark them down? Sure. There are other reasons to downvote something, but "hard to read" is legit. This isn't some grade-school essay contest where you get points just for completing t...

Robert Harvey

Heh. That's a drive-by meta-post; the OP was just venting, and never came back to follow-up on his meta post. Although, to be fair, all of the activity except for the most recent edit happened on March 31.

Jimmy Hoffa

5:20 PM

The C# compiler has awesome sugar for automatically digesting code into expression trees, but you can't guarantee everything will get bound into the environment in a way that guarantees serializability unless you manually construct them, C#'s automatic code digester will just pull complex objects from scope into an arbitrary binding environment with a pointer, but that binding environment won't exist on remote systems so you can't send the expression for execution to another machine

So I have to hand-weave these trees which is fugly

Zeroth

wow.

Robert Harvey

@JimmyHoffa If the problem is serialization, there are some techniques for improving that story. Not sure if they apply to expression trees.

You could try using a DataContractSerializer, for instance.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey sort of - the problem is expression trees can pull in local scope things by pointers to a binding environment, but that binding environment wont' exist on remote machines

Robert Harvey

You mean like closures?

MetaFight

or captured variables?

Jimmy Hoffa

5:23 PM

like when you write:
MyObject foo = new MyObject(42);
Action thingDoesStuff = () => foo.Bar += 22;

MetaFight

and foo get's quietly promoted to a member variable.

Jimmy Hoffa

as an expression that may stuff foo onto a local binding environment that the local expression references, but serializing that expression just serializes the pointer

MetaFight

actually, nm.

Robert Harvey

That doesn't look exactly clean, from a functional standpoint.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey Oh I wouldn't encourage such things - but I'm designing APIs, I have to account for what others may do, and few recognize why that right there is different than something referentially transparent

Robert Harvey

5:25 PM

It would be better if you passed in foo.

rather than relying on the local scoping.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey Which is why I'm designing methods that manually construct the expressions to ensure that's how it must be done rather than allowing other devs to willy nilly just hand expressions to my methods, because their expressions may have those uncommunicable binding environments I refer to which will cause dereferencing upon attempts to compile or execute

Robert Harvey

Makes sense.

Jimmy Hoffa

But that's my point, manually creating expression trees - the API is shit. You can say Expression<Action> actionExpr = () => foo.Bar += 22; and that's a nice great sugar that the C# compiler digests into a proper expression tree. But I can't allow that, I have to manually create each node in the tree

and the API for creating the trees sucks

Robert Harvey

Why can't foo simply be moved into a parameter of the expression method?

making it first-class.

user55340

Ruby on Rails is exotic?

Jimmy Hoffa

5:30 PM

@RobertHarvey it can be, but it's up to the developer to do that himself, which he may not know if he doesn't understand about how Expression binding environments work. I've ferretted out those dereferences before for other devs because most don't understand how all that stuff works.

user55340

> It be coded in an exotic language (ie no Python, no php, no Node.js)

user55340

Ruby on rails - that's a fun language :). I'll give it a try. — VicAche 51 mins ago

user55340

I wonder if they think that a Java backend was 'exotic'.

Robert Harvey

@JimmyHoffa Seems like that could be made a guideline of the API. Not everything has to be specified by the API itself.

No API is completely safe. OSHA regulations notwithstanding, you can still burn your hand on a stove.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey If it were less complex sure, but it's not something most devs are going to be able to spot in their code off hand.

@RobertHarvey I can burn your hand on a stove. Don't test me!

...sounds like somebody's having a case of the Mondays...

Robert Harvey

5:34 PM

Some efforts are not worth the trouble. This one doesn't sound like it's worth the trouble, unless it was handed to you specifically as a software requirement.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey I disagree. The resultant API will be very pleasant to use - and there's no way I'd be allowed to do it if I let people use C#'s sugar because other devs would run into those dereference exceptions asap with no understanding why - they'd just say my design was faulty and wouldn't allow expressions at all then.

Robert Harvey

There is that.

I'm simply agreeing with you that it's a major pain in the ass. This is one of those edge cases that makes for good Eric Lippert blog entries.

user55340

(whee, expired close votes:

user55340

0

Q: Is this a design pattern?

I have following C# code. It helped me to avoid some code repetition in a good way. The ExecuteQueryGenericApproach<T> method receives a Func generic delegate as argument. The delegated method has a parameter which receives IDataRecord as argument. That is, the ExecuteQueryGenericApproach<T> ...

design-patterns .net

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey You know I should actually ask about this and see if I can't get an answer from Eric Lippert about the whole scope of when those binding environments are dangerous. I don't even know exactly all the cases they become dangerous, I just know ways that are completely safe.

user55340

5:47 PM

programmers.stackexchange.com might be a better fit. I cannot tell if it will be closed if you ask it there, but at least it is better than asking here. — sawa 2 hours ago

user55340

Leads to...

user55340

-1

Q: About Ruby on Rails

I have been working with PHP and Python for a year and now I found Ruby. I suppose PHP didn't help me in my programming language knowledge, but truly did in my skills. In fact, like everyone said, it helped me to start. Then I took up Python and I liked it, but I found that most people prefer R...

programming-languages object-oriented ruby ruby-on-rails

Zeroth

6:01 PM

added third downvote

user55340

6:18 PM

One Night with Clojure makes a Scala Guy Humble (from '11)

Robert Harvey

@MichaelT Many comments below the article arguing about how LOC is a useless metric. The article's point is not about LOC; it's about the expressivity of each language.

user55340

Yep. They kind of miss it. LOC is a poor metric for "how much work did I do", but not a bad proxy for "how expressive is the language"

Zeroth

science20.com/quantum_gravity/blog/…

(50/50 chance Kepler-186f has alien (intelligent) life)

user55340

LOC can be used for a proxy for other things and shouldn't be counted on its own. LOC -> how long it takes to write. Or LOC -> how expressive is the language being two off the top of my head.

Jimmy Hoffa

6:34 PM

@RobertHarvey fun little trick I just used in C# that you learn from Haskell - How do you get rid of the assignment in this little block without re-executing the function that generates the value being assigned:

var someAssignment = SomeFunc();
return someAssignment == null
    ? default(FooBar)
    : SomeOtherFunc(someAssignment);

how do you get rid of the above assignment and only ever execute SomeFunc() once

Robert Harvey

By using a null coalesce?

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey how does that stop you from executing SomeFunc() twice? Show me the code that executes SomeFunc() once and has no assignments

Robert Harvey

By using a delegate instead of the function assignment?

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey bingo

how?

Robert Harvey

The above code only calls SomeFunc() once anyway.

Jimmy Hoffa

6:39 PM

@RobertHarvey but it has an assignment

How do you get rid of the explicit assignment and not call SomeFunc() twice

Robert Harvey

Oh.

Jimmy Hoffa

Most ways people know to get rid of the assignment would cause SomeFunc() to be called twice

Robert Harvey

Whatever that would be is almost certainly more complicated and less clear than the assignment.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey perhaps, but scenarios may occur where you want to do things in a single statement - came up now as I'm trying to design the expression tree because block expressions get trickier than the alternative I'm thinking of

user41796

@JimmyHoffa I'm going to accuse you of having a solution that was looking for a problem. :-P

Jimmy Hoffa

6:43 PM

@GlenH7 Nah, it is a problem in the expression trees there. It's also a problem when you try to write referentially transparent code.

Robert Harvey

OK, I give.

I assume you're using some sort of lambda expression?

Jimmy Hoffa

(someAssignment =>
    someAssignment == null
        ? default(FooBar)
        : SomeOtherFunc(someAssignment))(SomeFunc())

user55340

I want an omega expression - one expression to finish them all... and in the darkness, expose their bindings.

Jimmy Hoffa

assignment by parameter which isn't assignment at all really, but that's how you create and carry state around when you want to be declarative rather than imperative - you create scopes with inputs

Robert Harvey

Wow, that's cool. Reminiscent of pattern matching.

ahmed ali

6:46 PM

wow!!

Jimmy Hoffa

you can say it's a solution looking for a problem, but it just exemplifies one of those things you'd never see if you don't learn declarative solutions, they're so foreign from imperative ones

Robert Harvey

I'm having trouble parsing

SomeOtherFunc(someAssignment))(SomeFunc())

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey one of those parens closes the lambda

then it executes the lambda with the parameter of SomeFunc()

Robert Harvey

How does SomeFunc() get bound back to someAssignment?

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey it's handed in as the parameter to the lambda

user55340

6:47 PM

(someAssignment => ... : SomeOtherFunc(someAssignment)) (someFunc())

Robert Harvey

Ah, now I get it. It's just one big function body, declared on the fly.

Jimmy Hoffa

just used that form for an expression tree to avoid using the Expression.Block and Expression.Assign because they don't seem to behave as I'd like and require more setup than simple lambds and invokes

Robert Harvey

That looks like it might solve some of your scoping problems.

user41796

@JimmyHoffa I've been out for a bit, so you'll have to forgive me for being rusty in finding potshots to take.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 fair enough, here: Just say it's not monadic and I got nothing... :)

Robert Harvey

6:51 PM

@JimmyHoffa So what are your returning? That whole thing?

user55340

@GlenH7 Do some delete vote therapy programmers.stackexchange.com/… and you'll be fine.

user41796

@RobertHarvey - you'll laugh at this one: programmers.stackexchange.com/q/9840/53019

Robert Harvey

ADHDDD

Thomas Owens

Hey guys. Just popping in to say that I survived a 5k, all of the runners parties afterwards, and just spent about 3 hours photographing the marathon.

user41796

@ThomasOwens I'm most impressed by your surviving the runners parties

Thomas Owens

7:00 PM

@GlenH7 So much drinking at like 9am.

I thought engineers drank a lot.

user41796

Yeah, watch out for the hashers. They are truly nuts from that point of view

Thomas Owens

I did think that I convinced my friends to do the full medley next year. A 5k in April, a 10k in June-ish, and a Half Marathon in the early fall. I've found some 12 week half-marathon training programs, so I figure we can do it in 52 weeks.

user41796

That reminds me, we should ask @Ampt how his marathon training is coming along.

user41796

@ThomasOwens I have never been much of a runner, so more power to you. I'm gonna claim I'm big boned and therefore not suited to being a runner. :-)

user55340

@GlenH7 Starring that one for future lols.

user55340

7:06 PM

@ThomasOwens What lens did you use the most?

user41796

@MichaelT yeah, I got a good laugh out of it while rolling through delete therapy.

user55340

@ThomasOwens Need to get 'em to go to Bay to Breakers in SF.

Thomas Owens

@MichaelT The new 85mm f/1.8 for runners. My 35DX or 50 f/1.8 FX for crowd shots.

user55340

Primes FTW.

user55340

@GlenH7 I got 5 regular votes back!

user41796

7:09 PM

I hit the 30day view under the assumption that some of them might be getting close to rolling off the views

user55340

@GlenH7 Data.SE can always find 'em again.

user41796

That's true. And it's not like the query is that many clicks away...

Robert Harvey

stackoverflow.com/revisions/23201723/2 "Added Capitals To Please Grammar Nazis"

user55340

@RobertHarvey I was tempted to go get a dozen rep from suggested edits to fix the caps in all his posts...

user41796

@RobertHarvey Could ya have fixed the wall 'o text while you were at it too?

Robert Harvey

7:18 PM

@MichaelT I'll approve them all, if you bother going through the trouble.

user55340

Fighting JPA currently...

Robert Harvey

I just don't understand why people under the age of 25 think that writing sentences without capital letters is OK.

Reminds me of the Ebonics debates.

user55340

@RobertHarvey People under 25 have never heard of the Ebonics debates...

user41796

@RobertHarvey How dare you oppress my innate right to be lazy!

Robert Harvey

lol

user55340

7:20 PM

@RobertHarvey That's a referee doing 'field goal good' ... right?

Robert Harvey

Yo, bro.

user41796

The Village People were playing at Epcot in Orlando 2 weekends back. The boat driver was trying to drum up interest for them by announcing the schedule over the PA system. I totally trolled him by deadpanning "Village People? Who's that? I've never heard of them."

user55340

@GlenH7 Thats a modern group that is composed of musicians from rural Africa.... I heard they got over here by joining the navy and now stay at the YMCA.

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user55340

Side bit... I hope it wasn't the original band... I'm not sure, but the biker guy without a shirt and... 70? could be disturbing.

user41796

@MichaelT He started to list a few of their songs, saw me smiling, and realized he had been played.

user41796

7:24 PM

@MichaelT I didn't head over to that side of World Showcase when they were playing, but my understanding is that it's as many of the original band members as possible. Dunno if they kept to their original costumes though...

user55340

7:56 PM

SO makes me sad sometimes.

user55340

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Q: maven cargo deploy to war file to tomcat8 works on windows machine

However on deployment to linux machine, get the following error : the container configuration directory "/BuildAgent/work/68d4a71c8dc5cfd9/target/cargo/configurations/tomcat8x" does not exist. Please configure the container before attempting to perform any local deployment. The releva...

java maven tomcat ubuntu teamcity

user55340

That title is awful

MetaFight

8:07 PM

yup

Jimmy Hoffa

8:32 PM

@RobertHarvey you can read that block as (functionParam => functionBody)(actualParam) which is simply doing three things in one statement: Declare function, instantiate function, execute function (with given parameter)

Zeroth

9:02 PM

booo

user55340

@RobertHarvey ahh... shuffling.

Zeroth

shuffle shuffle shuffle

I have an animal gif here

some kind of adorable rodent that shuffles up to the camera

Zeroth

9:20 PM

Ugh, cleanup needed on Aisle "Opinionated opinions seeking validation": programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/236551/…

I really don't appreciate the casual slur in there either.

user55340

@Zeroth Blam (oded)

Zeroth

Excellent.

user55340

And a speedy delete on it.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Zeroth programmers.stackexchange.com/posts/236551/revisions

user55340

(the real answer is, of course, he's never been exposed to php programmers...)

Zeroth

9:24 PM

hehe

I forgot I could edit it myself.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT the real answer is, of course, he should go get his CPA and leave our industry alone

Zeroth

I would say they're likely fairly young, that or overcompensating for a lack of skill with overconfidence and aggression

user55340

Blurb.

Zeroth

Hmm.

Jimmy Hoffa

> Yes, yes; I see you.

Zeroth

9:28 PM

how would I ensure a method only runs on load of a form, without using a boolean state var?

user55340

@Zeroth Javascript?

Zeroth

no, c++/delphi

its a method that can be called when recalculating data

but I only want it called the once.

Hmm.

I will think.

user55340

Ahh, stand alone then... dunno.

Zeroth

eh, it wouldn't be so important if this entire section wasn't so goddamn arcane.

side-effects everywhere

Ampt

@GlenH7 It was going pretty well til I got diagnosed with an ear infection on thursday. Definitely put me behind on the schedule, but I think I'll be able to do the whole thing in <60 minutes

Robert Harvey

9:51 PM

Nice, content-free answer.

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A: What to do as an intermediate programmer?

First of all, do you acknowledge the contradiction between being a "complete noob" and being able to solve a problem if given one? I wonder how well do you own your past of what you've done and that you have learned some of the basics. As for the "what now" part of the question, have you conside...

user55340

I'm out of close votes - can't get that 5th on there.

Robert Harvey

Closed.

Jimmy Hoffa

10:40 PM

@Zeroth the value is null or has your value. no bool needed.

oh method running

yeah, you need a state flag if you want to guard, otherwise just be sure you only ever fire the method once.

Zeroth

yeah its going to be necessary :/

Jimmy Hoffa

@Zeroth What's wrong with having some state to ensure you don't re-execute the code?

Zeroth

The code I'm working in is 11 years old

Jimmy Hoffa

Personally I'd cache the method result rather than having a bool check and the method on entrance just returns that value ?? execute

Zeroth

Its about the most complicated and obtuse piece of code in the application

Jimmy Hoffa

10:50 PM

@Zeroth why is code so commonly obtuse, but never acute?

Zeroth

one(of the five main code files) is 8000 lines

there's complex inheritance issues, years of crufty design, no refactoring

Jimmy Hoffa

@Zeroth the source control server could have a terrible mishap.

Zeroth

Our current dev goals are to A) not add to cruft where possible and B) clean up cruft we're directly dealing with if risk is low or time is available

so adding a state variable is adding cruft, and I wanted to find a way to avoid it.

@Jimmy

@JimmyHoffa Basically, I'm adding extra state information to a bunch of objects, and that state information can range from 0 objects to more than 1.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Zeroth why not add state to one object which holds the flags in a dictionary so each new object just has to reference it's slot in the dictionary to see if it should/shouldn't fire the method

then all those objects don't need state added to them, but just referencing state maintained centrally where you may centralize and DRY up any logic about that decision

Zeroth

Hmm, interesting, but doesn't work. Oh well. :) I might have an idea overnight.

Jimmy Hoffa

10:58 PM

@Zeroth Good luck with that, 11 year old code is never so cut and dry, I know how that goes.

Zeroth

I deal in scheduling software.

Basically, its a whole series of might-be-aligned might-be-overlapped time blocks with different data in them

offs, ons, reliefs, empty shifts, etc

Jimmy Hoffa

@Zeroth hah yeah, discrete event processing is always colorful; I had to do a lot of that with some medical device software I worked on, two uploads may have duplicates, or overlaps in various ways of discrete events previously uploaded and we'd have to merge the events etc so lots of discrete event boundary comparison shit

Zeroth

YEP.

New feature, which means new state, and said feature offers a... fourth list of time blocks

wonderful :D

Jimmy Hoffa

@Zeroth I found drawing timelines on the whiteboard constantly a necessity when I was messing with that code

Zeroth

Yep. Luckily, most of that isn't needed here, or there are code base helper methods to do the work for me.

actually, I am going to steal some of that, cache the results

if the cache has items, don't call the method, otherwise call method that fills cache.

and caching the results helps solve an algorithmic validation I had to do. Thanks!

aaaaand IDE dies.

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