CURED - 2017-10-01

Simply Beautiful Art

1:25 AM

Possibly low quality

user12692

2:09 AM

delete? math.stackexchange.com/q/1773296/9464

Martin Sleziak

8:59 AM

reopen After reading Andrej Bauer's comments, I would be glad to see this question reopened: Base having open compact members. (I agree that the formulation of the question is far from optimal, but it seems that this class of spaces is actually useful.)

Probably this boils down again to: "Is it worth keeping the question for the sake of answers?" As mentioned in the past, there are different opinions on this. But this room seems like a reasonable place to try before posting to reopen request thread.

I have also asked Andrej Bauer whether he could improve the question bit. (If you look at the comments, he mentioned that he would like to see the question reopened so that he can post an answer.)

@AndrejBauer Perhaps if you could edit the question to add a few words explaining why the question can be considered interesting, that might improve the chance of getting reopened. I have tried to find some support for reopening the post also elsewhere - we will see how this turns out in the end. (Needless to say, I am not that surprised that question containing two sentences with no motivation at all got closed.) — Martin Sleziak 57 secs ago

I have added at least one sentence mentioning a class of such spaces. (I guess that probably is not enough to consider this sufficient context.)

Martin Sleziak

9:24 AM

The question Base having open compact members is already through the reopen review with 2 reopen votes and 3 votes to leave closed.

Simply Beautiful Art

12:19 PM

Dupe with some low-quality answers that @user21820 and @Did will probably dislike.

^ Hopefully @amWhy or someone else can dupe hammer that

@Jack deleted.

Grr.... why doesn't anyone ever define their $e^x$ when asking $e^x$ questions!? So frustrating! x.x

Simply Beautiful Art

12:45 PM

Hey @Moo long time no see

@SimplyBeautifulArt closed as dupe and the low quality answers have been deleted.

Moo

1:03 PM

Hi @SimplyBeautifulArt, I enjoy reading your answers and comments on the site

Simply Beautiful Art

@Moo =P Thanks

Simply Beautiful Art

1:30 PM

This question doesn't make any sense.

Simply Beautiful Art

1:55 PM

Please destroy related answer @amWhy @user21820 @Did @Jack

Martin Sleziak

@MartinSleziak I made a post in the reopen request thread about the question 2191926 Base having open compact members.

Simply Beautiful Art

@SimplyBeautifulArt Dead

user21820

@MartinSleziak Isn't the obvious solution to be for you or Andrej to post a new good question (as example to others) and to leave the old question closed (instead of rewarding the poster)? If you post it, you can then pass the link to Andrej to answer it. As I see it, improving bad questions just to keep the answers is contrary to the notion of wanting good quality questions on Math SE, because people will be emboldened to post lousy questions because the net result is positive reputation gain.

Martin Sleziak

@user21820 Not much to add. We have talked about this a few times before and, as said in our past discussion, I see it differently. (BTW as a result of my past discussion about similar situation - when I reposted the question to add more context, I got some downvotes. Not that I am in danger of question ban, but at least it's worth trying this way first.)

The solution you suggest would also need help from mods to move current answers.

Anyway, it seems that the question has been reopened, so the discussion seem to be a bit moot - at least in this instance.

user21820

@MartinSleziak Can you give me an example where you reposted it? I can't quite see why people (even of my type) should downvote a question that you think has more context.

Martin Sleziak

2:09 PM

Here is some our past discussion about viewing votes as reward: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/2165?m=40146239#40146239

Simply Beautiful Art

An old PSQ

Martin Sleziak

@user21820 Of course, it might have been a coincidence. But as you can see on the timeline, I got a downvote on a repost relatively shortly after I mentioned it in this room.

Of course, it is normal that people have different opinion, so I can live with a few downvotes - whether they were cast to express view on the quality of the question or whether they were cast as a sign of disagreement with the way I handled that situation.

user12692

delete? math.stackexchange.com/q/2376637/9464

user12692

delete? math.stackexchange.com/q/2375397/9464

Simply Beautiful Art

@SimplyBeautifulArt Also abandoned from OP

user21820

2:16 PM

@MartinSleziak I'm 99% sure it's not because you mentioned in this room, but because your first comment under the question just 1 min after posting it was to draw attention to the fact that it was a repost of a bad question that had a delete/undelete war... lol...

Incidentally, 7 upvotes is already very good. I don't think the average score of my questions is even 3, despite me putting much more effort into each of them...

Okay maybe it's more than 3, but certainly less than 5.

Simply Beautiful Art

@SimplyBeautifulArt OP has changed the question to "Is there enough information to solve...?" What do we think of this?

Martin Sleziak

@user21820 As I said, it might have been a coincidence. But considering the fact that it was on the same day as the discussion here in chat, 99% seems a bit too high to me. (Of course, the other downvote was well before that discussion, so the other one definitely does not have anything to do with it.)

user21820

I think you didn't get my point. You posted the following comment only one minute after the question:

The reason for posting this was the delete-undelete war on this post. (See also meta.) This also means that I know the answer - I have seen it on the deleted post. The repeated deletion and undeletion suggests that some users consider this question useful and some do not. I hope that this version of the question has the better form than the original one. Perhaps in this way everybody is satisfied. — Martin Sleziak Sep 2 '16 at 21:32

Martin Sleziak

But I brought it up not to complain about downvote - but the downvote can be seen that some users do not like this approach (of reposting with more context). And this is independent on whether they learned about reposting from comments on the question, or from meta - this was mentioned in the reopen request thread, or from this room.

@user21820 Yes, I did.

user21820

That very comment was immediately visible to every reader of your question and naturally invited downvotes.

I think it's clear that it's the likely reason for downvotes that are related to the delete/undelete war.

Martin Sleziak

2:25 PM

I now regret I brought this up, since it's completely unimportant.

user21820

Okay I agree it is unimportant. Not your fault to bring it up.

Martin Sleziak

@user21820 I agree with that. But the timing suggests that attention of one of the downvoter might have been brought to the delete/undelete war from this room. (By that I mean that the downvote and the mention of this here in chat were on the same day. At the same time, the question was bumped on the same day, so they might be completely unrelated.)

user21820

@MartinSleziak I see. I completely misunderstood your point just now. It's clear what you meant now.

Martin Sleziak

But again, the question was very likely bumped as a result of discussion in this room - since the editor is regular user of this room.

Anyway, the question is reopened, now it's Andrej Bauer's move. Probably after he posts an answer, the comments can be a bit cleaned up on that question.

user21820

Yeap. Did you ping him to inform him of the reopening?

Martin Sleziak

2:30 PM

Indeed, I did.

BTW Did probably has a rather difficult time if they want to find out whether their username was mentioned in chat.

user21820

@SimplyBeautifulArt Now ready for deletion.

@MartinSleziak Hahaha. They can try case-sensitive search.

@quid @ParamanandSingh: We just need one more downvote to delete one of the two rubbish posts in the following:

Sep 22 at 5:11, by user21820

@amWhy @Did @Jack @SimplyBeautifulArt @Xam @LeakyNun @MartinSleziak: Please help! This and this are utter rubbish. We're going to need all the downvotes we can throw at them to be able to delete them.

amWhy

@user21820 Did my part to help. The first is open for deletion, the other needs two more downvotes before it's open for deletion.

user21820

2:47 PM

^ @Did @SimplyBeautifulArt @LeakyNun: Just one more downvote needed here!

amWhy

2:57 PM

@user21820, @SimplyBeautifulArt, @Did, @Jack, @all. Does anyone agree with me that the Do-four-proofs-for me needs to be closed? "Off topic" is valid reasonable, as is "too broad".

user21820

@amWhy Off topic, because the math god does not need anyone to help it with math.

amWhy

@user21820 XD

@user21820 There are some questions that need to be closed, that should allow closers to vote for "any/all close reasons below: ... "

user21820

@amWhy No they just need one more reason: "Reason not listed." =P

amWhy

3:39 PM

Yet another post from "the math god" seeking someone to prove something for them: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2443961/…

This question is a "find the sum for me" question. A problem statement requiring both the title and the appeal for "help" (rather "do it for me")

I'm really getting perturbed by PSQ askers using something to the effect: "Help me do the following", "Help me prove ...", "Help me solve ...". Maybe asking for "help" is simply a way around saying "Do the following," "Prove the following for me" etc.

Simply Beautiful Art

Possibly low-quality PSQ and hello @LeakyNun

Leaky Nun

hi

Simply Beautiful Art

Very low-quality answer, doesn't even address the question.

I wonder how close Dr. Sonnhard Graubner is to an answer ban

because the amount of deleted answers he has is a lot

Leaky Nun

4:00 PM

"Dr."

user21820

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Paramanand Singh

@user21820: good and amusing piece of information.

user21820

@ParamanandSingh: Hello and nice to see you around!

Simply Beautiful Art

Very low quality?

Fails to answer the question?

amWhy

4:34 PM

@user21820 Okay, self disclosure: "Rufff, Ruff", wags tail incessantly Ruff, slobbers over everything

user21820

@amWhy Lol! Did you smell the cookies baking in the oven?

amWhy

@user21820 If I could, I'd sit up for a cookie! :)

@SimplyBeautifulArt gone.

user21820

@amWhy If I'm reading you right, I sincerely wish it would soon be easier for you.

amWhy

@SimplyBeautifulArt will be deletable, if $$\exists x, y (x\; \text{is downvote} \;\land y\; \text{is a downvote}\; \land x\neq y)$$

amWhy

4:57 PM

Time for closure: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2285501/…. Five downvotes, too many answers, no context PSQ -> close.

Simply Beautiful Art

@amWhy 1 more downvote needed

amWhy

:)

Up for deletion: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2452611/… one more delete vote needed.

Simply Beautiful Art

@amWhy *poof*

user21820

This is firstly not an answer (due to low rep not being able to comment), but secondly is mathematically wrong as pointed out in a comment, so worth deleting.

Simply Beautiful Art

@user21820 Flagged as very low quality

Did

5:09 PM

@SimplyBeautifulArt Oh, so you think that some given amount of obvious crap posted to the site, causes an answer ban? Graubner's farce, which goes on for ages now and is countered only by a few users with no high powered mod tools, not by any mod action that I would be aware of, seems to show that this amount, if it exists at all, is fixed so high as to be useless.

Simply Beautiful Art

@Did :| sadly so

user21820

@Did: Totally agree, but decided not to star so as not to attract unnecessary attention to you.

Simply Beautiful Art

lol

user21820

@SimplyBeautifulArt: Eh what are you doing. =X You know I can cancel stars right.

Simply Beautiful Art

@user21820 =P I'm just sitting around listening to electro swing

amWhy

5:12 PM

@user21820 Gone!

Simply Beautiful Art

So I've been having a problem with my rep notifications

Actually, I'm gonna head over to the mod office

amWhy

@SimplyBeautifulArt In what way? Do you mean the "green" alert at increase in rep?

Simply Beautiful Art

@amWhy Basically I'm getting notifications for increases in rep and there is no change in rep

Did

@SimplyBeautifulArt Seriously, my impression is that no SE site except math.SE allows this. The reasons why our mods refuse to act escape me. I asked several times but no answer ever came, except the ritual reminders of the (inadequate) (well-known) tools at the disposal of us mere users. Pah...

Simply Beautiful Art

@Did :-/

user21820

5:21 PM

@Did We just need to be careful and convincing enough to recruit the right people to help us use the tools we have.

Simply Beautiful Art

This question doesn't make sense, and on top of that, it was answered and accepted by you-know-who.

amWhy

@SimplyBeautifulArt :-/ You know who's answer is now deleted. Any accept dies with the answer.

SmokeDetector

5:37 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, no whitespace in answer, repeating characters in answer: The limit of Riemann sums $\sum_{k=1}^{n}\cos(\frac{k\pi}{2n})\frac{ \pi}{2n}$ by koo122 on math.SE

Simply Beautiful Art

@SmokeDetector Ought to black list you-know-who instead

amWhy

@SimplyBeautifulArt If only we could have coffee with @SmokeDetector, hey?

Simply Beautiful Art

Doesn't answer the question

The question isn't even about the integral along $(0,\infty)$. — Simply Beautiful Art 26 secs ago

Self-deletion yippee!

Leaky Nun

@SimplyBeautifulArt congratulations

Simply Beautiful Art

:P

Another answer that fails to answer the question.

Leaky Nun

5:50 PM

@SimplyBeautifulArt "Dr." Sonnhard Graubner

Simply Beautiful Art

@LeakyNun What of it?

Leaky Nun

@SimplyBeautifulArt as you said he's posting low quality answers often

so "Dr." is a mockery

Simply Beautiful Art

Oh, okay

:( Only 5 more votes left today

Very low quality... calculator only answer basically

Fails to answer the question.

I suppose we shouldn't spend too much time on this one user for today

Say, if I downvote something that gets deleted, do I get my vote back?

amWhy

6:16 PM

@SimplyBeautifulArt yes!

Simply Beautiful Art

nice

amWhy

@SimplyBeautifulArt Yeah, your daily vote count replenishes the votes you cast prior to deletion in any given day, and no matter when, if you downvote an answer (and lose -1), when that answer is deleted, it credits you back that vote.

Simply Beautiful Art

Ah, cool

amWhy

6:38 PM

WHY is THIS still open?? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2285501/…

Well, I guess the fact that it is four months old may play a role.

Simply Beautiful Art

Already voted

amWhy

7:06 PM

@SimplyBeautifulArt =)

SmokeDetector

7:33 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body: Trump Takes to Twitter as Puerto Rico's Crisis Mounts? by Drama Queen on math.SE

Simply Beautiful Art

wtf

amWhy

@SmokeDetector Oh my... ten downvotes and counting and flags....

Simply Beautiful Art

@amWhy Downvoted to oblivion :D

amWhy

@SimplyBeautifulArt Our un-sung hero @Community $\diamondsuit$

Simply Beautiful Art

:P

Simply Beautiful Art

8:23 PM

Doesn't answer the question.

@amWhy Dupe hammer? math.stackexchange.com/q/2453418/272831

Daniel Fischer

@SimplyBeautifulArt Voting to close such stuff is a waste of time. Just spam-flag it. Thanks to Smokey, it doesn't live long.

Simply Beautiful Art

@DanielFischer Okie dokie

Daniel Fischer

@SimplyBeautifulArt If you're nowhere near using up all your close votes for the day, it doesn't hurt to VTC additionally. It's just superfluous.

Simply Beautiful Art

@DanielFischer Yeah, okay

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: Characterising reals with terminating decimal expansions by Gone on math.SE

Simply Beautiful Art

8:35 PM

...

@SmokeDetector @DanielFischer Well... I suppose I'm gonna leave that business to you and your mods...

Vidyanshu Mishra

Yes I see.. Mixedmath and @DanielFischer have started their job..

Simply Beautiful Art

9:03 PM

Very low quality

SmokeDetector

9:15 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, mostly dots in body: Stuck on a formal proof by jelly silly on math.SE

amWhy

@SmokeDetector Rolled back, Smokey.... Thanks; it was an attempt by said asker to obliterate their post. Rolled back. The question does deserve a valid closure, though math.stackexchange.com/questions/2453393/…

@SimplyBeautifulArt DV and CV... more CV's needed.