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Ѕᴀᴀᴅ

1:20 AM

D1, D2, D3 (down vote needed)

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Larry Freeman

3:45 AM

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Hi @Jakobian

I would appreciate if you could help me to understand why you voted to delete the question on the cauchy condensation test? There was an answer that would be of value to those who are interested in the question. I read through this discussion and was not clear. I am open to talking with you about your review of these different questions.

Arctic Char

4:10 AM

I suggest that we should add the proof using Cauchy condensation and integral test into this FAQ question (and edit the question, of course).

5 hours later…

Jyrki Lahtonen

8:57 AM

@ArcticChar A good idea. But I think Harald's answer essentially does that?

Arctic Char

9:28 AM

@JyrkiLahtonen Indeed, let me do several edits.

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Sine of the Time

11:15 AM

@ArcticChar the edit (of the question) seems in clear conflict with OP intent

I think the post should be rolled back

user

Yes indeed in this form, also an answer by integral test would be fine. I've also noted there is already an answer by condensation test.

Sine of the Time

@user yes, the OP wanted a self contained proof. I've added an answer a while ago and Mittens pointed out that it was not self contained but the theorem I used can be proven without condensation or integral test

user

11:30 AM

@SineoftheTime I mean that according to the question as it is now, also an answer by integral test or condensation test would be fine, I don't understand why it has been changed in this form.

Sine of the Time

yes, in this form it's ok. But the edit is not good imo

user

@ArcticChar Why was the question edited in this form?

1 hour later…

Arctic Char

12:53 PM

@SineoftheTime Yes, the edit differs from the OP's intention. However, this is an old post and had since attracted lots of attention and answers, and I don't think a post that refused several methods do any good, in terms of exposition of knowledge. All methods should be put in the same places, and future users should be directed to one post where all the methods are present.

If you think of that as a wikipedia page, then it makes no sense that we need two different pages for that.

user

@ArcticChar Then what is your opinion about an answer with integral test?

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Srini

2:48 PM

May I request a response to my post in that thread? math.meta.stackexchange.com/a/37710/335418 my

Separate topic - I see a comment from SAAD saying "down vote needed" on some question links. What exactly is the goal of that?

Xander Henderson

@Srini Posts with positive scores are harder to delete, and may require downvotes before they can be deleted. So if someone has the goal of deleting a post, they may first request downvotes to make deletion possible.

@Srini What response are you expecting? The post has been deleted...

Srini

Is undeletion technically feasible?

Jakobian

3:44 PM

@Srini yes, the post can, in theory, be undeleted

Jakobian

3:54 PM

That's not to say any action will be done

Srini

4:09 PM

@Jakobian, thanks. What is your view about the points I raise in my post?

Jakobian

4:37 PM

@Srini which point? You're asking me to read whole of it and form opinion on all of the points?

Because if so, that's a lot to spend my energy on

Srini

@Jakobian. no, let me narrow it down. There are only 2 main points. One related to the stated reason for closure/deletion. That one already has a history where there is no consensus among "mod"-users (or whatever the right term is for users with power to make these decisions related to closing/reopening etc).

The second point is related to whether a reasonable number of up votes are an indication of community finding the question useful and why they should not be deleted. I am only talking about a "good faith" scenario regarding my second point (sure, it is possible for a gang of friends to serially up vote a super bad question, ignoring such scenarios...). You can pick either one to comment on. But if you ask me to narrow it down even further, then the second one please

Someone pointed to me that the deleted question actually had 9 up votes and 5 down votes (and I am not even sure if those downvotes were a result of someone in this or similar chatroom deliberately seeking downvotes to close, referring to answer from @XanderHenderson regarding my "separate topic" question above).

Arctic Char

4:52 PM

@user The integral test definitely answers that question, and should be posted as an answer there IMO.

Jakobian

5:10 PM

@Srini I don't think that up votes are a good indication of community finding the question useful

Even if upvoting is meant to indicate that one found a question to be useful, it often isn't that

It just means you are given a gratification of sorts because e.g. someone answered your question and wants gratification themselves. Or that someone found the question to be interesting. And so on.

There can be multiple reasons and finding something useful might be the last thing on someone's mind for giving you an upvote

However, I think that down votes are a good indication of there being something bad with a post

especially if there is a proportionally big amount of such downvotes

The problem with the gang of friends scenario isn't that it's not in "good faith" but that it's highly improbable

I can't ignore scenarios where people are being selfish and so on, because they very much occur, and I'd be restricting myself to a very small amount of scenarios

A lot of people have good intentions, for a lot of them this doesn't even matter

Xander Henderson

5:30 PM

In general, I don't think that voting (up or down) should be taken, in isolation, as any kind of judgement about the quality of a question. People vote for all kinds of reasons. Voting is one kind of indicator, but it is a kind of weak one.

Soumik Mukherjee

What should be done about unanswered solution verification questions like this one?

Xander Henderson

5:58 PM

But, again, anyone can vote however they like for any reason, so long as they are not targeting a particular user. There is absolutely no way to ensure that votes are indicative of something so nebulous as "quality" or "usefulness".

So while there is some correlation between votes and quality, it is weak.

user

6:48 PM

@ArcticChar Thanks, I've seen that the answer was downvoted so I thought it can be motivated by a controversial on the question which I'm not informed about. Have you any other informations about that? Thanks

Sahaj

7:06 PM

Hi, I think this is most definitely a duplicate but I'm unable to find it. Can anyone look into it?

Q: Find $x$ such that $3^x=x^9$

Find $x$ such that $3^x=x^9$ What I Tried: from $3^x=x^9, $ we have: $$3^\frac{1}{9}=x^\frac{1}{x} \ \ \text{and} \ \ (3^3)^\frac{1}{27}=x^\frac{1}{x}$$ we obtain $x= 27$, But I think, there is another answer besides this one, which is shown in the figure. But I really don't know if this is ri...

Nevermind, I found it.

Semiclassical

7:30 PM

this question is very confusing: math.stackexchange.com/q/4969317/137524

it feels AI generated, but i can't tell if it's that or just a really confused person

(based on their answers over at the Music SE, i'd guess it's the latter)

Sine of the Time

this old question popped up and I've notice this wrong answer. what to do?

Feeds

7:50 PM

A: Requests for Reopen & Undeletion Votes (volume 01/2022 - today)

Closed This question was closed originally because the question asked for a proof-check without specifying the step which needed clarification. I marked the step that needs clarification, and shortened the post considerably, and reposted it but it has not been re-opened yet. I request you to plea...

Xander Henderson

@Srini Any user with 3k XP can cast close/reopen votes. That is not a terribly high threshold for someone who is actually interested in content curation on this site. Many, many, many users have this privilege.

@SineoftheTime If an answer is wrong, you can (a) leave a comment, (b) downvote, (c) vote to delete. Choose one or more.

Semiclassical

8:18 PM

looking at their answer more closely, i think i can solidly identify the above as a crackpot: "So, the word hyperbolic is correctly understood as a cycloid. It is taliking about Taylor's solution. This blows you theory of Fourier analysis out of the water. You guys really think a string can vibrate in an infinite number of modes? Cannot even vibrate in two modes, because each mode has its own critical point set, and critical Morse points cannot add to wave."

Semiclassical

8:48 PM

huuuuuh

Q: Questions from Dr. Terry Allen

Recently Math.SE has had a spate of questions by Dr. Terry Allen. These questions involve topics like music topology and manifolds formed by sums of functions. So far, the "new" Dr. Terry Allen has had every single one of his questions closed. I don't mean to be offensive but can the moderators j...

discussion

for context, the author of the above post is Terence Allen. that is, at the least, a heck of a coincidence

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Ѕᴀᴀᴅ

11:46 PM

→ 27 messages moved to Trash

I've removed the latter half of the back-and-forth because: 1. there're other CURED requests interleaving; 2. the part that is useful to everyone else can be found somewhere else like the Meta.

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