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user55340

12:02 AM

@Duga Yep... thats a constructive comment. And no, its too broad.

Maybe it's still a better fit for programmers, I'm not sure, but it actually seems in the flavor of many questions that I've seen on this one. — Chris Beck 42 secs ago

Ixrec

12:21 AM

huh, today I learned some people use "STL" to refer to the entire C++ standard library, not just the containers and algorithms parts based on Mr. STL's pre-standardization library

I wonder how that usage got started; it's not like everything in the stdlib has templates in it

Telastyn

Dunno, but that's been common for over a decade at least.

Ixrec

I guess that finally gives me a legitimate reason to not use the term "STL" anymore, which is annoying; I always assumed that argument was total pedantry

Telastyn

Whatever. Terms are used for communication. If people understand STL to be the c++ standard library so much the better.

user114359

12:51 AM

@gnat Also keep in mind that while I try to be proactive about my delete votes, I have to wait until three days after a question is put on hold before I can VTD.

Duga

1:35 AM

@MatteoItalia: Programming specific questions goes to: programmers.stackexchange.com — Naveen 7 secs ago

Duga

1:50 AM

Nope, programmers.se is about "conceptual questions about software development"; SO is about actual programming. Here there's no programming involved, instead you are trying to make tools used in the Linux world (GRUB & co.) work to create a disk that boots correctly a Linux live CD; surely there's better expertise about this matter on unix.se. — Matteo Italia 9 secs ago

Robert Harvey

3:19 AM

@enderland I can't think of a better use for molten aluminum.

user20683

4:30 AM

@JimmyHoffa

user20683

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Duga

8:30 AM

I suggest you use programmers.stackexchange.com, SO is not a forum. — Зелёный 17 secs ago

Duga

10:30 AM

Solutions to the question may be too broad which might lead to discussion from users and this site is not a discussion forum.. You better might have luck in other stackexchange site like programmers. In order to be more specific post your code so other might help on your code.. else try another site. — TFrost 32 secs ago

Ixrec

10:42 AM

@Duga nooooo, we're not a forum either!

Duga

@TFrost Programmers.SE is not a discussion forum either; over there it'd be off-topic as well as too broad. — Ixrec 53 secs ago

gnat

11:26 AM

I would appreciate if 20Kers take a look at "questions" posted by this user: programmers.stackexchange.com/users/170972/zero-popular

Duga

12:26 PM

Since this is more a conceptional question than about a specific programming problem, it might be better suited for programmers.stackexchange.com — mensi 14 secs ago

Ixrec

12:53 PM

@gnat that user also made one of the best "not getting it" comments I've seen in a long time:

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's not about software development concepts, as explained in the help center. — amon 2 hours ago

sure it is I am trying to develop software but can't — Zero Popular 2 hours ago

user55340

1:31 PM

I've really gotta say that with:

user55340

That question wouldn't have made either criteria suggested by this question. How would you propose we prioritize? — Jon Ericson ♦ yesterday

user55340

I am very disappointed at the... lack of reading or site comprehension exhibited in those two links.

Ixrec

@MichaelT are you referring to the fact that both links are pointing to the main site rather than meta?

user55340

@Ixrec and that meta.programmers.se doesn't have bounties.

Ixrec

oh right

gnat

1:59 PM

@Ixrec was really difficult to abstain of replying to it with something like "oh, but this site is for those who can"

user55340

@gnat pinked.

Ixrec

I was tempted to say "there are many reasons why you might not be able to develop software, we only deal with the conceptual design issues"

but there were enough other comments I figured it was too late

user55340

2:11 PM

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user55340

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Ixrec

@MichaelT someone needs to find a terrible question on GraphicDesign.SE and reply with that

Duga

3:34 PM

I expect it would help to defeat cross-site request forgeries. However, you would be better off asking this question at programmers.stackexchange.com — squeamish ossifrage 36 secs ago

gnat

6:32 PM

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A: Recent Trouble With Popularity

It was quite interesting to observe impact of this meta post on the listed questions (""meta effect"). Or, more precisely, lack thereof. First thing I noticed is there were no attempts to improve / salvage these questions (except for an old one about indentation width). Attention brought to thes...

^^^ a week ago I couldn't even imagine writing this (not that I complain - I like learning new things)

Ixrec

and now I feel like an idiot for not attempting to doing anything to any of those questions myself

gnat

@Ixrec I think you should actually feel okay, because it seems normal, and that's the way I feel myself. "If many users are like me, it should indeed be that high score posts rarely get negative feedback, no matter how bad these are. People simply build an opposite habit by reading on-topic, good quality questions, where high score means that post deserves upvotes"

Ixrec

for me it's probably a combination of 1) too many priorities competing with SE for me to do any serious cleanup attempts 2) not knowing of any useful edits to make to such content when I do see it 3) the lack of 10k/20k/mod powers that would enable me to actually make a dent in the stuff that does need straight-up removal

user41796

Your delete vote counts are off. Just sayin' — GlenH7 45 secs ago

Duga

7:18 PM

Looks pretty clear to me. It probably belongs on Programmers, though. There's no code here. — Lightness Races in Orbit 28 secs ago

StackOverflow is about questions about programs, try programmers.se — muddyfish 58 secs ago

Ixrec

@Duga I can't work out how to explain it in a comment, but I feel like she's misrepresenting us again; that question seems too broad (and maybe opinion-based even with the stdlib restriction)

Duga

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nope, Programmers is about software development concepts (see their [help center](programmers.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) for details). Rather than about software design, this question seems to be about binary portability on Linux, which would be fine here, or possibly on Unix & Linux (though I'm not a regular on that site). Stack Overflow does not require that every question have code. — amon 12 secs ago

user55340

8:46 PM

@gnat several of them only need one or two more delete votes to go pink'ed. It is very hard to try to fix the questions as they get upvotes and popular answers keep rolling in.

Ixrec

8:57 PM

that last question we got looks like a potentially good one (albeit maybe a good SO question) if someone familiar with C# could edit it to focus on the real question about that particular security feature so it doesn't look like he's simply asking "How do I port"

gnat

9:12 PM

@MichaelT I just re-checked: 5, 2, 6, 7, 1, 2 more delete votes to go (in the order they're listed). And it's definitely the case that piled on and voted up answers make it almost impossible to edit. Except for maybe that question of indentation width where all the answers seem to roll the same 3 or 4 simple recipes over and over again - but there, I'd say all answers except for top one could be deleted and readers wouldn't notice

user55340

Amusing... reddit.com/r/learnprogramming sidebar's guidelines and links.

user55340

> Ask questions the smart way. Learn how to write the perfect question. Read the full guidelines for asking questions.

user55340

Note the second link.

Ixrec

nice

user55340

reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/wiki/index is actually quite reasonable... though I suspect it gets the same reading frequency that SO and P.SE do.

user55340

9:15 PM

Its just that they have a much lower rate of posting than Stack Overflow (bit higher than P.SE)

user55340

9:54 PM

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Q: Why do 'some examples' and 'list of things' questions get closed?

A common form of question that is often asked is the "what are some examples of..." While this is hinted at in the help center Please make sure that your question is not too broad, or strongly rooted in opinions. We should be able to answer your questions in the equivalent of a few pages of ...

Ixrec

10:08 PM

very nice, but I think there's a grammatical error somewhere in this part since my brain cannot parse it: "its just that structure of the site that Stack Exchange provides needs keep its focus on"

enderland

10:27 PM

Well I bought the mac today.... #donthateme

Duga

10:55 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit wasn't this your comment: "It probably belongs on Programmers" — gnat 19 secs ago

gnat

^^^ Duga failed to apply its usual gnat-filter :)

user55340

While your answer might not contain anything inherently wrong, as you noticed, it was downvoted and will be removed soon. In fact, Programmers.SE welcomes detailed, in-depth answers. One-liners are (mostly) always too superficial to make good answers here, so please avoid them. — MainMa 1 min ago

user55340

^^ a nice distillation with the problem of one liners.

Ethan Bierlein

11:11 PM

Hi

user55340

'lo

gnat

@MichaelT likely distilled from your answer to their meta question :)

Ethan Bierlein

Are there any Programmers.SE mods around right now?

user55340

Don't see any in the recent chat history, though you never know when @WorldEngineer will pop in on the weekend.

Ethan Bierlein

Well, I found a user that might need to, well... Change a few things about their profile.

Some of the stuff on there could be considered offensive.

user55340

11:13 PM

Can you flag a question of theirs?

I could

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A: Flag abusive users

If you flag a post from that user for moderator attention, it is highly likely that we will look at their other recent activities, including (but not limited to) questions, answers, comments, votes - and correlations to other users if there is a suspicion of a sock-puppet. If they are being a nu...

user55340

Ethan Bierlein

Ah, there we go

user55340

An earlier flag of mine - you will note that the OP's name is not not offensive anymore and the flag is helpful.

Ethan Bierlein

11:15 PM

The picture could still stand to be changed.

user55340

They can do that too.

user55340

11:27 PM

Office Nerf wars got... faster.

user55340

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user55340

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gnat

11:38 PM

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A: Recent Trouble With Popularity

It was quite interesting to observe impact of this meta post on the listed questions (""meta effect"). Or, more precisely, lack thereof. First thing I noticed is there were no attempts to improve / salvage these questions (except for an old one about indentation width, there was only one, more o...

^^^ "This probably won't make me many friends over here" :)

bikeshedders are camping for a nerf war on meta

oh it hurts!

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