The Whiteboard

user15026

12:00 AM

I have no idea what I am going to do if interviewers etc want references, because my last two jobs have refused as "company wide policy"

user20683

12:15 AM

I've got 4 managers at my work now + another half a dozen professors

user15026

Ah, so you've got options :) I was kinda deadbeat in my last uni years so I don't have anyone there, and my jobs are all like lolnope

psr

12:29 AM

@durron597 Because people must pay proper attention to the version number or they shall pay.

Ampt

1:32 AM

I need a house... with a garage

so I can install one of these babies

user20683

only $2970

user15026

@Ampt Oh, nice. :)

Ampt

@WorldEngineer honestly. for the convenience they provide, I'm surprised they're that cheap

as a fall back option, I'm trying to convince my father he needs one in one of his garages

user15026

I can definitely see how it would be useful, as long as you know what you are doing (my dad has some horror stories involving hoists like this at the shops he's worked in)

user15026

and hey free shipping

Ampt

1:36 AM

right? I only have to have a forklift on site to get it off the truck...

user15026

And you can rent those!

user15026

Just....make sure you position the lift plates correctly, okay?

user15026

I'd hate for you to get crushed.

Ampt

that would totally suck

also my mother has said no to all of my pleas, so I doubt I can swing that one...

sigh

guess I have to buy a house

user15026

sadness!

user20683

1:40 AM

@Ampt go into "import/exports" and con a warehouse?

Telastyn

meh, I pay people to do things to my car that need it to be airborne.

Ampt

Wheres the fun in that?

I mean I could pay someone to do it (and sometimes I do, depending on how busy I am) but it's fun to work on something like that

Telastyn

meh. I'd rather be doing a dozen other things. So I exchange money for the freedom to do those dozen things.

or doing classwork, like now.

/me shakes fist

Ampt

and you exchange your freedom for money! It's the ciiiiiiiiiiircle of liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife

Telastyn

indeed.

but I make more money per time than I spend money for time.

at least in the car realm.

user20683

1:54 AM

@Telastyn Master's?

Telastyn

naw, just bachelors. Spent too much time screwing around when younger.

could teach these courses, but HR/recruiters/idiots don't care because they have no idea about programming.

user20683

@Telastyn why I have mine

Telastyn

s/screwing around/learning how to be an adult/

user20683

@Telastyn same difference really

Telastyn

pretty much

user20683

1:56 AM

mine was called "a liberal arts degree"

Telastyn

yeah, if I did that I could've at least screwed around in the presence of women.

user20683

@Telastyn I probably should have taken more advantage of that but alas

user15026

I also missed out on taking advantage of that ;)

Telastyn

shrug was not the first thing on my mind when choosing schools/majors

either

user15026

I picked schools close to my geographical location

user20683

2:01 AM

likewise

user20683

I picked liberal arts because I was convinced that math was beyond me at the time

Telastyn

I went to one that offered to get me out of the depths of hell known as high school a year early.

only to my dismay to find that people are asshats everywhere

user20683

@Telastyn I wish I'd had that option

user15026

I took english because everyone told me to

Telastyn

yeh. but going a year early didn't help my learning to be an adult.

why did they recommend English?

user20683

2:03 AM

@Telastyn because they were dumb

user15026

Because i like to read books and stuff I guess

user15026

and I had no idea what else I wanted to do

Telastyn

interesting.

user15026

So now I am trying to teach myself things that really I should have gone to school (college rather than uni) for

Telastyn

enh, programming is ill-taught everywhere it seems.

Jimmy Hoffa

2:06 AM

@Telastyn what's been your experience with other undegreed coders? I used to think it was a great thing because I'm the same and figured anybody else who was put in all the independent practice necessary to learn it like I did, but my experience has been the majority of undegreed coders I've actually worked with were not very good

user15026

I don't want to be a dev, myself

Jimmy Hoffa

which I've found a bit paradoxical

Ampt

I hate to say it but sometimes it's not just the material that they pack into the courses that makes an undergrad degree more desireable

@AshleyNunn that's weird... why are you here :P

jk, please don't leave, we need cupcakes

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt of course, it's the paper for HR and all the co-ed experiences

user15026

@Ampt beer, @WorldEngineer, cupcakes

Ampt

2:08 AM

@JimmyHoffa also the ability to follow through on something for 4 years, put up with bullshit (for 4 years) and be able to manage yourself fairly independently

Telastyn

@JimmyHoffa In my experience, about half of the very best coders have no degree or completely unrelated degrees. The top 2 programmers at the little startup, 2 of 4 architects at current job, the top 2 programmers 2 jobs ago.

Ampt

I mean learning that going to class, even when no one is making you, can be an important lesson

Telastyn

I've not seen any bad non-degree coders that actually gained employment.

user20683

It's like being an NCO

user15026

@Ampt I'd liked if it also had come with any sort of job prospects but that's why liberal arts stuff sucks

Jimmy Hoffa

2:09 AM

@Ampt pfah. You want to manage yourself independently? Try living on your own for those 4 years without a big organized guidance structure built arouund you

Ampt

yeah, but I would surmise that most of the people who choose not to go to college aren't doing that :P

Jimmy Hoffa

@Telastyn interesting. More fodder for the theory that almost every company I've worked at has been seriously troubled.

user15026

@JimmyHoffa I did this! (well alone for 2, 2 before that with my then-wife off campus)

Ampt

did you say then-wife?

user15026

yes, as in wife that was but isnt now

Ampt

2:11 AM

as in ex-wife

user15026

because we separated middle of my uni career

user15026

yes, exactly so

Ampt

do you get together with middle aged men and complain about your ex wives together? TV tells me that that's what people with ex-wives do

preferably in business suits over single malts

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt what do you think they're doing? I just presume most people around 18 go to college or move out.

user15026

@Ampt Aw, I don't own a suit

Ampt

2:12 AM

of the people I know who didn't go to college, few of them moved out..

Telastyn

@JimmyHoffa nod - I find that people that didn't study programming have to write code to learn. College students and paycheck collectors don't.

Ampt

may have been to do with the fact that it was the middle of a recession

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt that's a troubling trend...

Ampt

@AshleyNunn did she keep the suits? Ugh. that bitch.

amidoingthisright.jpg

Jimmy Hoffa

@Telastyn true enough. It's been fair bits of the ladder I've run into in employ... I really need to find better companies to work for...

Telastyn

2:13 AM

one of my coworkers still lives at home, despite being like 24 and making good money. He's frugal.

(and single)

user20683

I've lived on my own since I graduated high school

user20683

worked through college

user20683

then again I'm weird

user20683

I mean look at me, I'm a swirling vortex with a blue name

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt truth. horrible time to graduate high school or college, lots of poor folks got shafted on this... Honestly it was part of why I didn't bother with college, when I should have gone it was the dot com hangover period and I was employed. I cuonted myself lucky and decided to ride that life raft through the trouble.

user15026

2:16 AM

@Ampt laughs

user114359

@JimmyHoffa did you ever think about joining the teamsters union? Might be better than your current job

user114359

irony: Snowman just voted to close Iceman's question

2

Duga

2:31 AM

Since this isn't a question with a code problem it may be a better fit over on programmers.stackexchange.com — j08691 1 min ago

user114359

I think a coworker is ratting me out...

user114359

6

Q: I think I smelled whiskey in a colleague's cup. What do I do?

So I was helping a colleague to fix a bug and definitely smelled whiskey in his cup. I have no idea what my company’s policy is on alcohol while working, but can only assume it’s frowned upon. What’s the right way to approach this? Obviously I don’t want to look like the bad guy, but I definitel...

Ampt

@WorldEngineer hey, I'm just a sock

@Snowman TL;DR: Snitches Get Stitches,

Maybe it's because I'm a heartless, soulless consultant, but at the home office every other desk has a bottle of whiskey/bourbon/vodka

beer is served on fridays to excess, and having a good time is part of the job and is expected on the clock

user114359

are you a highly paid consultant like these guys?

user114359

thedailywtf.com/articles/Waterfagile

Ampt

2:39 AM

I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm highly paid...

user114359

@WorldEngineer: stackoverflow.com/q/28822803/439793 programmers.stackexchange.com/q/275040/22815

user114359

@Ampt could you please VTC the dupe here at Prog.SE?

user55340

@enderland This is a sign you and/or @YannisRizos should learn Haskell: haskells.com

Ampt

@MichaelT this seems like a much more reasonable version of haskell to me

user114359

more delicious too

user55340

2:44 AM

btw, aged out close votes can be cast again.

Ampt

Read until you get to the github, then just peruse through that for a while until you've lost faith in humanity

user55340

@RobertHarvey There you go... programmers.stackexchange.com/posts/223640/revisions

user55340

@Snowman btw, that github question found its way to webapps.SE: webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/74483/…

user114359

@Ampt that code is hilariously bad, too bad my Polish wife knows nothing about code or I would tease her mercilessly.

user114359

@MichaelT I have no idea how that happened. That question needed some editing followed by a migration to SO.

Ampt

2:52 AM

When it starts getting so nested that even github is like "WTF", you know you done fucked up

user114359

but my "give a damn" is broke this week because I am a lazy quitter.

Ampt

Anyone here ever had the JDs honey whiskey?

Only 70 proof, but very, very, very sweet

user114359

yes

user20683

@Ampt yes, it's too sweet for me

Ampt

I rather like it for something you can just sip

user114359

2:53 AM

I have only ever shot it. Goes down easy, like Crown

Ampt

definitely no need to cut this one

I think if I tried drinking it too fast I would get sick though

suuuuuper sweet

user114359

and yeah I noticed that code was off the right edge of the code box. I hadn't seen that before. Might be time to break it up into more functions. Or just throw the whole damn thing in the trash and replace it with an XSLT.

user20683

Amarula and Gin is good

user55340

@Snowman My take on it is that its a question about github and its interactions with the rest of the world rather than a tool and its interactions with github... and webapps is a bit more forgiving of a place for that. Certainly a case could be made for it to go to SO instead.

user114359

3:09 AM

I don't even remember what comment I made on that question or how or if I voted

user114359

given it was migrated and the comments likely deleted... well, at this point, it is some else's problem

user55340

3:21 AM

I have a strange urge to do "if Stack Exchange was a guy"

user55340

If Google was a Guy

►

user114359

Fun with function pointers!

user114359

14

Q: Can someone please explain to me a complicated function pointer type in C++

Can anyone tell me what is the type of the parameter for the function f? int f(void (*(int,long))(int,long)) {} I am getting a similar type to this in when trying to compile some variadic template heavy code (my own wrapper around std::thread)...

c++ types function-pointers

user114359

Two new accounts asking spam questions within a very short time... someone has too much time on his hands.

user55340

@WorldEngineer Regular updates!

user55340

3:35 AM

> Great news! Thanks to my amazing Patreon supporters, I can now offer a regular schedule for Dresden Codak! Look for the next page in exactly two weeks, and every other week from then on!

user20683

@MichaelT mother of god

user20683

next thing you know, the DOM will suddenly have full internal consistency

user114359

3:46 AM

Do all the crazies come out at night?

user114359

0

Q: C++ I'm a bit stuck on what I did wrong

//Write a program that calculates and prints the final value of a ten year, $10,000 //investment whose annual return gradually declines from 2% to 1% over that term. #include <iostream> using namespace std; double yearlyreturn (double balance, double beginRate, double endRate, int years) { ...

c++

user55340

Canada news: cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/…

user55340

> Police said the two men were "very apologetic" for what they'd done.

Ampt

ay caramba jennifer...

get your shit together

user55340

NPR this evening on On Point - they were talking about black holes (kind of interesting in of itself). Both of the guests (astrophysicists) were women. onpoint.wbur.org/2015/03/02/…

FatalSleep

4:06 AM

Hello, is Programmers Stack Exchange a good place to ask about the Bitmap File Format?

Ampt

depends on what youre asking :)

whats the main gist of the question

user114359

First, thanks for asking here first. Second, we welcome conceptual programming questions.

Robert Harvey

@FatalSleep The BMP format is explained in detail here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP_file_format

FatalSleep

I'm curious about the DIB header for Bitmaps. E.g. what it can contain at different bitdepths with BI_RGB and BI_BITFIELD compression.

For example I have a 16-bit bitmap with the DIB header all that includes up to the Red/Green/Blue bitmasks(first 70 bytes). Where I also have a 24/32-bit bitmap, however without the bitmasks(e.g. up to 54 bytes).

I now, not in the detail I'm looking for on bitmasks though.

So my question is: Can 24/32-bit bitmaps contain bitfields?

With BI_BITFIELD compression?

Robert Harvey

Bitmaps are not compressed in any significant way anyway. What are you trying to achieve?

FatalSleep

4:11 AM

I know, but they still have different "compression" values in the DIB header, mainly BI_RGB and BI_BITFIELD. What I'm trying to achieve is whether or not to anticipate 24/32-bit bitmaps having bitmasks.

(Excuse anywhere I wrote "bitfield" over "bitmask.")

user114359

Is there a reason you are parsing bitmaps yourself and not using a library?

Jimmy Hoffa

I think your best bet here would be to look for standards documents on bitmaps. I presume you're doing this for like school or something? Learning to read and interpret spec docs is a very valuable skill worth practicing, in industry it's a very common thing to have to do

FatalSleep

Yeah, I don't need the functionality of the bitmap libraries I found and it's a lot more simplistic to implement my own bitmap reader/writer than to implement a library.

Jimmy Hoffa

@FatalSleep ...untrue... you may not be used to utilizing libraries, which is something you should get used to. There's no way using a library is harder unless you're just not used to and don't know how to use a library. Learn to.

there's no way reading or writing a bitmap yourself is easier than using a library to do it...

Robert Harvey

The Wikipedia article is as close as you're going to get to a complete spec. If you read it but can't understand it enough to write code, you need to use a preexisting library, if you can find one.

Jimmy Hoffa

4:21 AM

@RobertHarvey are there no RFCs or anything about them? I know older formats like that sometimes have just a common-historical-approach that lacks official standard, but bitmap is so widespread...

FatalSleep

@JimmyHoffa I disagree, the libraries I found either were incomplete or were out of the way for the methods I'm working with for RGB/RGBA buffers.

Robert Harvey

Well, make up your mind. Are the libraries too complex or too simple?

FatalSleep

Neither, they just have what I am looking for.

Robert Harvey

@JimmyHoffa There's plenty of sources for this information

Jimmy Hoffa

> The Windows Metafile (WMF) specification covers the BMP file format

Ampt

4:23 AM

There's not a library that does exactly what he wants with one command ;)

FatalSleep

@Ampt Heh....

Ampt

hey, if the man wants to roll his own, let him :) it's a valuable skill to know when to use a library vs roll your own

user114359

The problem with bitmaps is while in theory they simply map bytes to pixels, in practice the formats can be more complex and there are several closely related formats

FatalSleep

Ah.

user114359

This is why it is best to reuse code that is already written for all those complexities and tested

Robert Harvey

4:24 AM

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt this goes back to my message earlier about people sometimes learn from their mistakes, and sometimes they just learn their mistakes... perhaps he'll learn from this one instead the latter..

Ampt

@FatalSleep don't mind us, we're a couple of armchair cynics

user114359

I remember back in the day using the Win32 API to parse bitmaps and even using that library it was hell... so many variations. Works this way, except for when it doesn't.

FatalSleep

Not sure how it's a mistake to build an API specifically design for my particular case....

user114359

I would definitely not want to deal with that crap myself. Shovel the responsibility off on a library.

Jimmy Hoffa

4:26 AM

@Snowman yeah, another result of older formats, there's been many branches in it's evolution..

Ampt

@FatalSleep you may spend more time building and testing your own API than you would if you just configured the appropriate library.

it's a good developers job to see that decision and choose accordingly

if you're doing this for fun, thats a whole nother ballgame

user114359

not to mention it is a raster format about as close to the hardware as you can get: we started with monochrome (1 bit), now we have 32 bit color.

Ampt

I will say that yours is a tough case - you're talking about manipulating buffers and low level things which the out of the box APIs may mask for fear of causing confusion

Most of us here are professionals - therefore our time matters and we want to get to the most correct, quickest result

so libraries are usually what gets our kicks

FatalSleep

I know.

Ampt

if you're learning or doing stuff for fun, our advice may be completely off the mark

FatalSleep

4:30 AM

Oh well. Thanks anyways.

Ampt

We can still help if you're interested :) just know that sometimes you have to explain why you're willingly going off into the weeds

it may be obvious to you that thats where you want to go, but for us those are pitfalls to be avoided unless you want to be confronted by he-who-is-pointy-haired

Jimmy Hoffa

Oh and you should do it in Haskell, but don't use FOOF

FatalSleep

Heh backstory... Mostly, compatibility and for fun. Working on a side project and I don't need super bitmap support, simplistic at best.

Ampt

If you feel that the libraries out there don't do what you want, and you would enjoy doing it yourself, then you should!

And you should also ignore the ramblings of @JimmyHoffa

If it's not work related, it must be done manadically with haskell for him

FatalSleep

That's the attempt I'm going for I guess.

Ampt

4:33 AM

@JimmyHoffa the word is no one cares :P

@FatalSleep in that case, figure out what spec your bitmaps are using, and try and find the documentation for that particular one

FatalSleep

Doing that now.

Simon André Forsberg

11:10 AM

in Duga's Playground, 4 mins ago, by Duga

It looks more like opportunity to open a discussion flow instead of asking real answerable question. Such "let me know what you think" type of problems may be more suitable for Programmers, although even that site "should not be used as toilet bowl" — xmojmr 2 mins ago

And, from a question on Code Review:

@VapidLinus I think Programmers SE is more relevant for this kind of question. — BCdotWEB 10 mins ago

Duga

12:07 PM

@bitoiu this is a very bad fit for Programmers, see meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6483/… Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat 53 secs ago

Thomas Owens

12:58 PM

When it comes to packaging reusable code, like a library, does it make sense to make a lightweight application a library? Maybe that's the wrong terms, but let's say I have a few modules (packages, in Java) that represent a data model and some business logic related to that model. I expose this as a public API and have it all well documented via Javadoc. I bundle this as a JAR.

If there's a trivial GUI wrapper around this library to execute the various functions, does it make sense to bundle that up in the JAR? Yes, it would make the JAR slightly larger, but is that really a huge concern?

As an example, I have a library that right now represents the various data messages that a system produces, so that other applications can read to (and even write, in the case of a simulator) data messages in those formats. If I made a really simple GUI that prompted the user to load a file and then displayed a window with the contents of the message, would that be appropriate to put directly into the "library" JAR?

Many people may just include the JAR to have access to the underlying data model to parse binary messages or create messages in the appropriate format, but I think that if the "simple app" part could even be an example to developers, more than the doxygen/javadoc documentation.

Initially, the value of having a tool/example code may outweigh the cost of the bloat. But what do others think?

For the purposes of this, I'm ignoring any industry-specific implications of bundling an extra executable with a library, such as qualification or certification of the software module.

durron597

2:02 PM

@ThomasOwens make two jars, app-core and app-gui

then if the project makes it to maven central, people can build it using both or just core

Telastyn

I would make them separate for public consumption. makes it easier to discontinue support for the UI later.

amon

I'd also tend towards two separate JARs – there's nothing to be gained by stuffing everything into one JAR, except that you end up with one less file. That said, proving such a wrapper application is a likely very good idea.

Thomas Owens

@durron597 Maven is not a concern here. I think @Telastyn's comment about public consumption is more appropriate.

Of course, I could handle this with one build script.

The ability to produce two separate JARs - one builds library and one builds library + application.

We use Ant, so it would just be two targets.

"ant dist-app" = lib+app or "ant dist-lib" for lib only.

The code resides in one directory structure. Packages are selectively compiled and JAR'd. Would that be appropriate?

The advantage of that is it has the smaller JAR for library consumption, but developers get everything. And since the code is never released, it seems to be a happy medium.

durron597

Maven was just an example. @Telastyn made the same point I did

Thomas Owens

2:18 PM

True. Now, is the ability to build appJAR and libJAR the same? I think it's effectively as good. It reduces the dependencies. When I build appJAR, I don't have to also have libJAR tagging along for the ride.

So I'm not convinced about totally separating the two sides yet, but I am convinced that there shouldn't just be one big JAR.

durron597

How is appJAR not dependent on libJAR?

user114359

2:36 PM

Slashdot quote of the day: "Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a new wing to a building as being maintenance"

Simon André Forsberg

in Duga's Playground, 3 mins ago, by Duga

This might be best asked on programmers.stackexchange.com — JNYRanger 18 secs ago

@Duga is open for pull requests ^^

user55340

This is a beautiful board game in its simplicity boardspace.net/english/about_majorities.html

Telastyn

2:55 PM

branching factor is too low though.

durron597

@MichaelT Have you played Yinsh yet?

user55340

@durron597 I have all of project Gipf.

Thomas Owens

@durron597 They wouldn't be if I built a JAR that included everything inside.

The options would be libJAR, which doesn't have the application, or appJAR, which is a larger JAR with the library code plus the application code in one JAR. I don't need to carry around libJAR if I build appJAR.

durron597

Actually, that's a good point, you can deploy appJAR as a fatjar (and maybe also include stuff like slf4j if you want) but still have the ability to deploy libJAR

Thomas Owens

Yeah.

It seems like putting the choice in the build script is the best option.

durron597

3:03 PM

does libJAR depend on slf4j?

Thomas Owens

@durron597 No. It wouldn't.

However, I would have a dependency on log4j in the appJAR. So when I built appJAR, I would make sure that the JAR's classpath included log4j and that it was in the distribution directory.

When I build libJAR, the output would just be a single JAR file, with nothing else at all.

durron597

I imagine whether to include logging code in a jar like libJAR would be a point of contention. hmmm, I smell a question for the main site

Thomas Owens

lol - This XML schema defines a simple type of UUID. The restriction is a base of xs:string. So it's effectively the same as type xs:string.

@durron597 I don't think you would want logging in your libJAR. You want to minimize dependencies.

Plus, the application that it's used it could be using any number of logging frameworks and configurations.

durron597

@ThomasOwens I agree with not depending on log4j, logback, etc. but slf4j-nop isn't really a dependency

Thomas Owens

@durron597 Current recommendation is log4j here. It's approved, been through security scans, and is approved for use in deployed Java apps.

durron597

3:08 PM

But if you don't include some sort of framework then you don't offer any logging at all in your library

having an slf4j dependency seems to me to be a happy medium.

Thomas Owens

Exactly. Logging is an application-level concern. I'm not sure what I would log in this particular library. It effectively takes a byte array and parses it and provdes get functions.

Well, I can't have a slf4j dependency, since I don't think it's been approved for distribution.

I could do the paperwork to get it approved, but that's beyond scope right now.

Next time I do new development, I may push for slf4j. But The application layer is already logged with log4j.

durron597

That's right, I always forget that log4j isn't natively using slf4j, and that you have to use log4j-over-slf4j

(Personally I use logback)

Thomas Owens

I've never actually looked at logback.

durron597

@ThomasOwens I like it, xml has always seemed more powerful than properties files for me in this context

And it's written by the same guy, Ceki Gülcü

Thomas Owens

I just took a quick look at the homepage.

Maybe I'll suggest that. I want to see the interface, though. Of all the things to change, especially when it's working, I'm not sure if it's worth the effort.

durron597

3:18 PM

The configuration files are completely different

Thomas Owens

log4j just works for what we need. Although it could be nice to refresh and stay with the most recent tools.

durron597

I wouldn't switch in a deployed project.

Thomas Owens

Absolutely not, no.

durron597

I do recommend switching from log4j to log4j-over-slf4j

Thomas Owens

I'd only switch in new development. Which...doesn't happen often.

durron597

3:19 PM

then at least you give people the option to change logging dependencies

Thomas Owens

I'm guessing you mean from log4j to logback?

Oh. Using slf4j. Yeah. I think that will be my first step.

durron597

I can't imagine getting slf4j approval would be hard, it doesn't do anything. It's just an API

Thomas Owens

But then again, it's a process. First, legal needs to review the license. Then we need to obtain the source code and run a security scan on it. If issues are found, we may not be able to fix them, depending on the license terms.

Telastyn

public void CampaignService_FetchCampaignByCampaignId_CreatesNonAppCampaignAndVerifyIfItIsFe‌tchedByTheMethodWithoutPassingCampaignModelType_VerifyMethodCall()

Thomas Owens

It's still a JAR that gets deployed. Don't forget - we deploy to US government and military sites, usually classified.

Telastyn

3:20 PM

sigh

durron597

slf4j is issued under the MIT license which is compatible with the Apache license

Thomas Owens

MIT license is good.

MIT, BSD, and Apache are very good.

durron597

@Telastyn void???

Telastyn

is a unit test.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Telastyn does it do, anything, or... everything ?

durron597

3:22 PM

@Telastyn

public void CampaignService_FetchCampaignByCampaignId_CreatesNonAppCampaignAndVerifyIfItIsFe‌‌tchedByTheMethodWithoutPassingCampaignModelType_VerifyMethodCall() { fail(); }

Telastyn

I do not know. I'm refactoring so adjusting internal calls because I changed the signature.

I presume it does like 8 things in the most fragile way possible.

if the test fails, then I'll actually need to figure out what it's doing.

Thomas Owens

Checked exceptions still piss me off.

overexchange

3:41 PM

@amon this is regarding my question

user114359

that is probably the single biggest thing I loathe about Java now that Java is 8.

overexchange

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Q: Type checking in dynamic language

Below is the program written to perform the explicit type check(at runtime) in addition to primary functionality(i.e., square root). from math import sqrt def isnumber(thing): try: int(thing) except: return False return True def make_safe(f, isnumber): def type_...

java python-3.x dynamic-languages

user114359

C++? You can simply ignore them. Java? I'm at the point where I specify "throws Exception" anti-pattern or not. Hurts less.

overexchange

@amon am still not clear, what is not clear in this question? or Do you want to ask me something before understanding this question?

Telastyn

the lack of decent delegates/stream operations is what I hate these days.

Thomas Owens

3:43 PM

In Java? Java 8 offers stream operations.

I haven't done that much with them yet, but they exist.

Telastyn

except you need to go collection -> stream -> weird shitty lambda -> collection

and the weird shitty lambdas require a special JRE build.

at least they did... 4 months ago.

user114359

Why do people get so upset when we refuse to offer legal advice?

user114359

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Q: What to know prior to open-sourcing a project from legal perspective?

Previous questions and answers are focusing on "usability" and promotion (as if we are living in some ideal world). I am wondering what could be potential negative legal consequences. For example: 1) using a patent algorithm without consideration (e.g. now expired http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...

licensing open-source legal copyright patents

user41796

@Snowman Sense of entitlement to an answer.

Telastyn

because lawyers are scary and expensive?

user55340

3:49 PM

@MichaelT: Yes that is correct, but how exactly is this legal assistance? Where do I mention that I am planning to use this code? My question is purely phrased out of curiosity. And any question about software licensing has to do with legality. Therefor by your definition we wouldn't be allowed to ask any question about licensing. So you are obviously wrong. — dan-klasson 11 hours ago

user114359

You know I probably could give him legal advice. Then when he gets into trouble, he can try to track down the elusive "Snowman" somewhere on "The Internet" to file charges and serve a court summons.

user55340

My current legal question closing issue.

user114359

Did he really suggest that a 36k rep user "read the rules of this site"?

user114359

Would he go up to Gordon Ramsey and suggest he "attend chef school" or "anger management classes"?

user41796

@MichaelT VTC'd. needs 2 more

durron597

3:52 PM

@Snowman People do go up to Gordon Ramsay and suggest anger management classes

Have you watched the show? lol

Telastyn

he could use some anger management, though that's probably more shtick than rage.

user114359

Not usually. Does he decapitate them?

Telastyn

Not usually.

user41796

@Snowman Can you imagine what that would do for the ratings?

durron597

People also tell him that they're better chefs than him, to his face. Of course they always walk it back by the end of the episode

user55340

3:53 PM

Only the cabbage and lobsters.

user55340

Or lettuce. Does cabbage have a head?

user114359

I did eat at one of his restaurants in Vegas. I was expecting to hear him raging in the kitchen, until I realized he was probably hundreds of miles away jumping into his swimming pool full of cash.

Thomas Owens

Is there a nice way to make an application run from Eclipse if, in a deployed environment, your code will be reading files that are bundled into the JAR?

durron597

@Snowman Gold coins bro. Haven't you seen DuckTales?

@GlenH7 Would it be on topic on Engineering.SE to ask "how can I design a swimming pool full of gold coins?"

user114359

@ThomasOwens how are you loading those resources in a deployed environment, exactly? Classloader? Zip file stream?

ratchet freak

3:55 PM

@ThomasOwens put the files in a source folder, then the ClassLoader.getResource() will find it

Thomas Owens

@Snowman I'm using a URL to the files and opening them as a stream.

user41796

@durron597 You should specify the density of the coins as well as how closely packed you expect they would be. But the basics of retention pool design should be on-topic, yes

Telastyn

there's probably also a Physics question in there about feasibility.

user114359

I recommend @ratchetfreak's approach, using URLs has some very subtle issues. I used to work on an application that worked that way and there were some ugly hacks to get it to work consistently.

user55340

Bet it would be a hot question. Then ask how fast does poop fall into a pool of gold coins.

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user41796

3:56 PM

Not one of the site's best questions, mind you:

user41796

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Q: Could a knife blade & shaft be made of 100% diamond?

I am reading a novel set in the future. A planet has been found where there are extensive deposits of diamond. Presumably diamond is mined much like marble is here on earth (there is not a lot of detail on this). A character has a knife where the blade/shaft is a single piece of diamond. In 2015...

materials

Thomas Owens

@Snowman That would work, then.

user41796

@MichaelT No, no. You need to know who peed in the pool.

ratchet freak

and you can get URL objects from the classloader

user55340

Problem: gold coins are yellow.

ratchet freak

3:57 PM

@MichaelT but urine is acidic, still detectable

amon

@overexchange I'm not sure what you're asking. Is your question “what advantages does runtime type checking have over compile time type checking?”? In that case, how is your weird Python code relevant?

durron597

@GlenH7 I could also ask if it would be a rooftop pool, whether concrete would be strong enough to prevent the coins from falling into my bedroom underneath

ratchet freak

@durron597 and the building strong enough no to collapse in general

Thomas Owens

Hm. getResource looks helpful. Thanks.

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