@MichaelT nyah I got my careers 2.0 ping from amazon like 2 or 3 months ago, never followed it up; I'm not moving and I like this position

@MichaelT Yeah, same here; before I changed I would have given it a bit of thought, but honestly no way I would have moved. Denver is where I want to raise my kid. Just the other day I drove around my neighborhood a bit and realized the house I bought is walking distance from where I played little league for years as a lad.

Yeah, that's what we think of FGITW around Programmers.

Meh. I thought chapter 7 was a little slow.

insert old west scene of @JimmyHoffa shooting the gun out of user61852's hand

@JimmyHoffa that's why I like Programmers, chances for FGITW to proliferate are generally fairly proportional to the quality of "quick and dirty" answer. I once experimented with FGITW here myself and results were pretty much as fair

My strategy is always get the first answer out there even if it seems a little quick and dirty, then edit it more and more to get it to being "great" instead of "meh"

@MichaelT ...within seconds...that is really weird...

@MichaelT you've never asked a question on P.SE? I temporarily take away your mod tools! You gotta contribute content on both sides!

yeah, but... none?

I've got 7

It makes sense that he is so good at answering questions, because he has so much experience answering his own

This one I'm particularly proud of:

it generated some genuinely high quality content for the site

See, I'm not just thinking about me like some of us @MichaelT...

well when you say it like that

he's practically the monster hiding under the bed

how many Functional Programming devs need to be sacrificed to summon your presence?

fixed.

What's the java allegory to .NET's events? (Someone who actually knows how .NET's events work)

collections of strategy objects? yuck, no way that can still be their answer to something .NET had since '01

sonofa...

too late to edit it now. It stands.

@Ampt and if you want to know what a monad is, this is my personal favorite explanation: haskell.org/haskellwiki/Monads_as_containers

But the only way you can really kind of root out a sense of them is to play with one

@MichaelT shhh he might fall into my trap, no sudden movements...

@MichaelT Worse ask me what it does, gah I actually did have to support some perl scripts at one job years ago... had to refer to the o'reilly book countless times to keep reminding myself which parts of regexps were magic perl and which parts were not

I forgot about that...

@GlenH7 ...whaaaa??

@MichaelT would have a lot (I mean like 12kloc) of CGI to say about that...

as for monads, you're faking one everytime you return a boolean and out the variable for a parse where the boolean says it parsed or not and if the booleans true you then use the value it parsed out. That little annoying boilerplate you do constantly all over is exactly what monads are for; accidental complexity

Did someone say that we need more plug-n-play patterns?

@GlenH7 ...I can consider myself sniped for the day...

@GlenH7 It's getting late in the day and I spent my lunch hour finding out just how much it might cost to get much needed AC into my new house. I know that was a slow-pitch but I need no-pitch right now.

> But the C++ macro system blows goat d*ck

lmfao

perl.plover.com/yak/design/samples/slide006.html

@GlenH7 This desert is just ridiculous hot; but there's no insulation in the air due to dryness so the shade is 20+ degrees cooler than the sun. Every night the sun goes down it drops down to the high 60s/low 70s even in august

Based on the bid we might just put up the mega-insulative curtains we've already got and blow the cool air in during the night, then shut everything up during the day at least until next year when we can afford it. Need to replace the furnace and electric panel just to get AC :/

seriously

it was like mid 50s some days

warmer now though

what is it with this guy and goats

@MichaelT Do you know where the first reference to programming in terms of goats and sheeps was first? I was re-reading something the other day (don't even recall what) and it made reference to programmers in that way long before Atwood's blog, which made me realize Atwood must have gotten the reference from there; unless the reference goes back further than I realize?

@MichaelT I get that, I meant as a reference to programmers; though perhaps it's just a reuse of an already known theme

Now I wish I remembered what I was reading the other day that made reference to it... it was something very authoritative and somewhat older...

@GlenH7 Yeah luckily I have about 6 weeks before I can expect to not worry about the heat during the day anymore.

It's generally hitting lower 80s and 70s by mid september, and the first snow mid october

@GlenH7 Wish I knew more about electricity, I might have a go at DIY for the panel (want absolutely nothing to do with DIY for anything else)

what are you doing? adding a new breaker? (I'm assuming you'd need 240v)

The AC or furnace both have the ability to easily cause serious home damage if meddled up wrong, the panel only risks my life, far less significantly the house

@Ampt My panel's 70 amp (old) need more capacity to get AC on the circuit\

Ah, that makes sense

@GlenH7 That's what I presume I can do just based on it being 70 amp which is mighty small, 100 or 125 should be easily supplied by most common house lines

of course you don't want to push 100A+ on a 70A line

House built in '73, so it's not that old

@GlenH7 I would argue against using 'most' as a qualifier on something that could burn your house to the ground lol

@YannisRizos I'm really trying to avoid that route... not sure if I'll manage it though

@GlenH7 ...it'll be fine! :D

Just need a snifter for confidence!

@GlenH7 Oh I realize that most definitely do, I've seen plenty a house with lines much larger than necessary for upgradeability and cost, that said, I worked with my father for a while (1 man general contractor doing just about everything you can imagine in the trades) and I saw plenty a house that had exactly the minimum wire for their main breaker which severely limited upgrades and was a pain in the rear end

@GlenH7 I would have absolutely under no circumstances figured that out.

@JimmyHoffa and if they aren't off, put your neighbor's meter back

@GlenH7 Step 2. Lick the socket it came off to make sure it's not dead?

@WorldEngineer This is what's been in my fridge most of this summer beerpulse.com/2013/04/…

@GlenH7 you know standards, is there anything in http that speaks to valid/invalid charset for a header value?

can/cannot have _=*&^%$# etc or should/should not per any standards anyway

@MichaelT MUMPS. MUMPS! MUMPS! MUMPS! MUMPS!

@MichaelT are we back-end devs the dour killjoys of the dev world? Every now and then I'm having fun doodling through some design or debugging an issue only to notice one of the other quad (cubes like a + rather than a square here) nearby laughing and fooling about; and it dawns on me I haven't heard a peep from my teams quad in hours. And that's kind of how we like it, quietly designing and fixing big issues rather than playing games

I've noticed similarly at other places I've worked

What fun it would be to just slap shit together and fool about; meanwhile I just had to debug an issue caused by improperly using an equals as a delimiter in a scenario that involved base64 causing trimming of the base64 string; and I really enjoyed it (two debuggers running debugging two processes digging through layers of stacks on both sides to trace the issue)

This must be what it's like to be a CPA. "Oh my goodness yes, I would love to look at your taxes! Joy!"