The Whiteboard

user55340

12:04 AM

@GlenH7 finally got around to installing my nest protects. Nice devices.

user20683

12:56 AM

@GlenH7 Okay fine, you win: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/211608/170979

user41796

3:01 AM

@MichaelT I think the best part has yet to come. It will be really interesting once they start finding ways to integrate all of the information from all of the devices in the house together.

user55340

One of my 'todo' things is a display that shows if I should open the window or not.

user20683

@GlenH7 Given how most people are with computers...

user55340

@WorldEngineer The Nest isn't a "computer" interface - its an appliance. Even simpler than the microwave.

user20683

@MichaelT true but still

user55340

Setting up the second smoke detector was essentially "pull the tab, scan the QR code, push the button on the first"

user55340

3:04 AM

The only thing thats out there is from people sniffing the traffic and seeing what goes back and forth.

user55340

Having an actual API would mean I could do a RasPI and such. There's things like "Should I open the window?" -- its a real question with AC.

user55340

Certainly understandable.

user55340

That said - nest.com/blog/2013/09/25/calling-all-developers

user55340

> So today, we’re announcing the Nest Developer Program. Nest is building a real-time Web API for the Nest Learning Thermostat. We’ll officially open our doors in early 2014, but if you’re a developer with a great idea, you can sign up today.

user41796

okay, good to know - it's public knowledge. :-)

user41796

3:07 AM

Yes, they really want to push the API and support the community. The company has a "hacker" culture that they work around. Anything they can do to make the devices more powerful and helpful to their users, they're interested in.

user41796

@WorldEngineer that must've been one helluva illness to take you out for so long. Seems like it was several days you were gone.

user20683

@GlenH7 I puked a gallon

user41796

bleh. Sorry to hear it. Not something I would ever want to sign up for.

user20683

combination food poisoning and back injury, they fed into each other

user20683

I doubled the number of times I've called out sick in this last week

user20683

3:10 AM

I'm now up to 4 in 7 years

user41796

icky bad. If you were in my 'hood, I have a chiropractor whom I would highly recommend. He's amazing, but he's not worth the travel in your case.

user41796

I don't remember my stats of sick days when I worked retail. I was reasonably healthy then and don't recall calling in sick much if ever.

user55340

I've used... 2 sick days at Netapp. None at menards (I did take a half a day off when I was at the point of not being able to stand during a stand up meeting)...

user20683

@GlenH7 Called in once for broken nose, spent 12 hours in the emergency room because Easter Eve and someone had to have a 7 car pileup, it was awful to see rolled by.

user20683

Called in once for a fever that was something like 104 and vomitting

user20683

3:13 AM

and then twice this week because vomitting and then exhaustion+stomach cramps+ could barely get even water down

user55340

@GlenH7 Accidental... it's been a few months... not as embarrassed / concerned about giving a poor impression.

user55340

Everyone here, however, knows...

user41796

@MichaelT That's hilarious when they apologize. "yep, um, went through that to, and um, it sucked.

user41796

@WorldEngineer 12 hours + ER doesn't sound like a lot of fun.

user20683

@GlenH7 This was Grady

user55340

3:15 AM

Might as well...

user20683

this is downtown Atlanta on a Saturday night

user20683

endless parade of crazies

user41796

I'm not thinking that's going to have any chance at all of adding up to fun

user41796

But the people watching must have been amazing

user20683

@GlenH7 I was on so much adrenaline I barely remember it.

user55340

3:17 AM

As an aside, if anyone does want to work at my former employer... I've got an email from a head hunter the other day asking for my salary requirements and resume. Apparently he didn't look at my history...

user41796

@MichaelT "What a maroon" ~Bugs Bunny

user41796

@WorldEngineer By the time I have made it to the ER or urgent care, the shock has worn off. So time drags out.

user20683

@GlenH7 I had been punched in the face three times by some young teen punks.

user55340

I keep wondering if I should respond with "$250k/year salary" - I mean, I do have a price they might pay.

user41796

And I now have a perfect 4200 close reviews.

user20683

3:18 AM

I will not discuss more of it, I'll have a flashback and that'd be a bad thing.

user41796

@WorldEngineer Sorry to hear about it. Sounds like something better discussed over beers in person.

user55340

@GlenH7 Reading the description, its for the Internet team... so external & internal facing.

user41796

@MichaelT I'm half tempted to give the Amazon offer a try. I'm not discontent with my current gig, but I wonder if massive upheaval isn't what I'm due for.

user55340

Its also entry level...

user55340

> • Bachelor’s or Associate’s degree in a Computer Science, Computer Programming or MIS related field
OR
Equivalent work experience

user55340

3:20 AM

@GlenH7 Seattle is a nice place to go if you're ok with the change of locale.

user41796

@MichaelT I have heard wonderful things about the place.

user55340

Couple of beautiful National parks within a day trip, and a few more with a day's drive.

user55340

My sister lives out there. I've been through there a few times.

user41796

@WorldEngineer - have you been hitting up any of the big names to see if they'll interview?

user41796

For reference, I have an invite to come interview with Amazon Kindle. Apparently, they're doing road trips to various cities to set up initial interviews.

user55340

3:23 AM

Long ago, Taos Mountain did that - recruiters on a road trip colleges.

user20683

@GlenH7 Debating Amazon, not really interest in most of the others.

user41796

@WorldEngineer I'm happy to pass the contact information along that I have. If they're fishing through LinkedIn, then I can't imagine they would turn down a secondary referral through that same route.

user55340

I still think that consulting where you'll be in 3 companies in 1 year is a good first thing out of college if you're indecisive. Its nice on the resume without the stigma of job hopping, you get to find out what you like (and don't like)...

user41796

I probably have Java listed on my profile, but I definitely don't have any android experience listed.

user20683

@GlenH7 I have actual iOS work that's not listed because it's really not current

user55340

3:26 AM

(heh, the Taos slide show uses netbeans as an IDE in one photo)

user20683

I did conceive of this utterly utterly ugly way of doing object prototypes in Python

user41796

okay, this is pathetic. I can't find the SE careers site after a few clicks.

user20683

@GlenH7 do you need an invite?

user55340

@GlenH7 Stack Oveflow - menu, under MSO

user20683

also it's Career.Stackoverflow

user20683

3:28 AM

it predates SE I think

user41796

No, I have a profile. I was going to look yours up to pull your email address and send you the details I had received.

user41796

that makes sense, and yes it does.

user41796

Joel has always pushed having a career site on the side.

user55340

user41796

I was looking for career.SE

user55340

3:29 AM

(sorry, no freehand red circle there)

user41796

and they still make it hard to find things… <sigh>

user41796

Although if you haven't been getting many nibbles from that route, this may explain why….

user41796

If someone is specifically searching for you and they can't find you, then that's a bad sign.

user55340

Did you see the reverse engineering one guy did on MSO to show how someone might have gotten the email address?

user55340

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Q: Someone contacted me by email but my email is not public

Last week I got an email to my email address saying "I saw on Stack Overflow that you were interested in.." and the content of the question I asked. The email suggested I'll star a bug \ feature request on chromium website. The request is totally legit and I don't mind it at all, my main concern ...

user41796

3:36 AM

@MichaelT I did. That was crazy.

user41796

My money is on reverse MD5

user55340

I'm going with github commits.

user55340

Far easier, no guesswork.

user41796

BTW, @WorldEngineer - you should have an email from me from the Amazon team. I'm assuming your edu account is still active.

user20683

@GlenH7 Should be

user55340

3:38 AM

(my edu account is still active...)

user41796

@MichaelT In the comments he indicates that there were 2 different accounts. And the stalker came in with the non-github commit accounts

user55340

though I haven't checked the mail there for years, I think the .forward is going to a dead account...

user55340

@GlenH7 Ah, well... I'd still go that route if I was a stalker.

user41796

@WorldEngineer And FWIW, a search on your proper name or your SE handle at careers doesn't pull anything up.

user41796

Maybe not the publicity you were hoping for.

user20683

3:39 AM

@GlenH7 interesting

user41796

@MichaelT I didn't read all of the comments, but it did seem a bit creepy. Still not sure why he threw a bounty on there. One of those answers must have nailed the pathway

user41796

@WorldEngineer Yeah, I kind of figured you wanted to be found right now.

user55340

@GlenH7 MSO rep is meant to be shared once you get enough of it.

user41796

I get the privacy thing, but when you're looking for a gig, you're looking for a gig. Emails from recruiters become welcome

user20683

@GlenH7 If i google my real name I get my Twitter and Linkedin

user41796

3:42 AM

@WorldEngineer That's what I found too. Plus some guy in Alaska…

user20683

@GlenH7 Yeah, not surprising, that half the family is clustered round Spokane, might even be a relative

user20683

but yeah, LinkedIn is now put up in my profile

user41796

I'm checking out for the evening. Have a good one.

user20683

@GlenH7 likewise

user55340

4:32 AM

@YannisRizos btw, it is quite possible that you will have The Best Avatar Ever for winter bash hats.

gnat

11:44 AM

some answers at MSO make me wish SE developers to more participate in Programmers. I wouldn't mind migrating some of the posts from there...

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A: New rep indicator keeps popping up

Tracking this down was driving me absolutely insane, but a fix is rolling out now. Here's the fix: //GetCache().Set(key, DateTime.UtcNow, OneMonthInSeconds); GetCache().Set(key, DateTime.UtcNow, OneMonthInSeconds, broadcastRefresh: true); I'll try and explain what was happening since this too...

user41796

1:56 PM

@FrostEngineer - Awesome holiday name. Took me a second to recognize the change. You could have gotten away with Frosty too.

MetaFight

2:18 PM

Hi guys. Is there a way I could pull up some stats on P.SE questions vs SO questions? I'm mainly interested in the % of non-negatively voted questions. And I guess perhaps also the % of closed/deleted questions.

user41796

@MetaFight have you looked at data explorer?

MetaFight

no, I can't say I have. What is it?

user41796

broadly speaking, SO has lots of no-vote questions and then questions with quite a few votes. P.SE questions tend to always have at least one vote on them, but they rarely see the quantities that SO questions do.

MetaFight

ah. gotcha data.stackexchange.com

I'm assuming that has a lot to do with the volume of new questions and the size of the user base.

user41796

Yep, that's the one. Was just about to pull the URL for you. I would recommend logging in so you can have it keep track of the queries you build.

MetaFight

2:22 PM

cool, thanks.

user41796

And spend some time searching for existing queries. You're not the first to ask that question, so I would bet a query already exists.

MetaFight

I guess that kind of question comes up when judging whether a new SE site should come out of beta.

user41796

@MetaFight It also has to do with the community culture. P.SE votes tend to stop after the community think a question has reached the "right number" of votes on a Q or an answer

user41796

whereas with SO they can pile on

user41796

@MetaFight area51 builds up a number of stats on beta sites, yes

MetaFight

2:24 PM

I never considered the cultural component. Interesting stuff. I'll dig through the data once I get my coffee :)

thanks

user41796

YW and enjoy. There's a vast amount of data hanging out there

user41796

@jozefg I suspect my answer will be more useful for the asker, but I cede the race to your answer. :-) Props for speaking up and providing a data point to combat the perspective.

user41796

0

A: Why is it so hard to recruit for compiler[-related] jobs?

Why is it so hard to recruit for compiler[-related] jobs? Better phrased, your question is asking why it is hard to recruit for jobs that aren't currently trendy. And the rephrasing gets at the core of the challenge - trends. In and of themselves, there isn't a whole lot wrong with trends....

jozefg

3:10 PM

@GlenH7 Yeah, I think I've found a pocket of very annoyed compiler writers angry about how it's currently taught haha

user41796

3:34 PM

@jozefg I was thinking of adding something similar to my answer. If students don't know what skills an employer is looking for, then they will be less likely to apply.

jozefg

@GlenH7 Yeah.. Personally when I saw this I almost wrote a comment: "Hey, feel free to pay me for things I do already for free"

user41796

@jozefg Go to school first. But it never hurts to ask about internships. :-)

jozefg

@GlenH7 Yeah :)

user41796

Unfortunately, that particular user doesn't have much / any information pointing back to their employer. So they'll be a bit hard to track down unless you invite them to chat.

user55340

4:33 PM

@MetaFight also compare the ratio of people who vote to the number of new questions per day. Nearly every single question P.SE has a vote on it (one way or the other). The flip is true on SO - there's too much going through there for every question to get viewed by people who will vote.

user55340

... other than tossing a sympathy up vote on it.

user55340

I'll also point out that with the lower volume of questions, and a non-small group of people who will down vote poor questions... they are different sites. One could cast a vote on every single question of the day without too much trouble.

MetaFight

4:48 PM

Was the bounty system put in place to help with SO's "too many questions/not enough eyes" problem?

user55340

Its one of the things that the bounty can serve for. Though that tends to be a 'positive' boost rather than 'negative' boost most of the time (people rarely bounty questions that should be closed / deleted).

MetaFight

I've always been impressed with the incentive system on SE sites. Now that I'm a more active member I'm noticing that it's even richer than I had originally noticed. Now I'm starting to become curious about what prompted all these incentive mechanisms.

user55340

Its a combination of gameification and an understanding of how virtual communities work.

user55340

On the later one, something that is a good read - shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html

MetaFight

and also what ensures they actually provide the proper incentives... but that is probably an easier question to answer... it's most likely peer review.

:) SE is a great place to bring your curiosity.

user55340

4:52 PM

There's a lot of knowledge out there, its a matter of crafting the proper question to find it.

user55340

(side bit - an approach to gameification in the home - chorewars.com )

jozefg

7:00 PM

@FrostEngineer Seems cooler lately.. Can't figure out why

user20683

7:25 PM

@jozefg Get the ice puns out of your system, this isn't Batman & Robin.

user55340

8:27 PM

Its like Christmas in the recently deleted... getting all my rep back. Thank you Santa @YannisRizos !

user20683

►

Undo the Snowman

9:56 PM

We get chat hats this year!

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 9 mins ago, by balpha

changeset:   4895:24edbb65d7c5
user:        balpha
date:        Sun Dec 15 14:15:54 2013 +0100
summary:     What the hell, let's have hats. After all, you can't spell "chat" without "hat".

user20683

@UndotheSnowman We've known for some time.

Undo the Snowman

Oh

What the heck?!?...

user41796

11:24 PM

@MichaelT He must have been playing with Haskell again and had to get it out of his system.

user20683

@GlenH7 makes sense to me

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