The Whiteboard

7:26 AM

@endolith Hello. Re your last flag (the Python for scientific computing duplicate): The way I read the questions, they are duplicates. However, I'm probably missing something, so you should post a Meta question about them and let the wider community examine them a bit more closely and decide if they are dupes or not.

A: Why did Java make package access default?

8:33 AM

Private methods are beneficial to unit testing

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Default access does not render the private access modifier redundant. Language designers position on that is reflected in official tutorial - Controlling Access to Members of a Class and it's pretty clear (for your convenience, relevant statement in the quote made bold): Tips on Choosing an ...

> ...keeping method private brings me a useful, reliable enhancement in unit tests. In contrast, weakening access limitations "for testability" only gives me an obscure, hard to understand piece of test code, which is additionally at permanent risk of being broken by any minor refactoring; frankly what I get looks suspiciously like technical debt.

Mike

1:58 PM

"Wonder what the longest type name in my appdomain is..." IAlterTableColumnOptionOrAddColumnOrAlterColumnOrForeignKeyCascadeSyntax

@MichaelT would it be a code smell if I need to use reflection again?

@Mike what are you, some kinda contractor?

No, wait. Then it would be IAltTabColOptOrAddColOrAltColOrForKeyCasSyn

Or the even better ILtrTblClmnPtnRDdClmnRLtrClmnRFrgnKyCscdSntx

you get the I for free

Q: Where would I ask a question about managing a team of developers?

2:16 PM

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Is there a stack exchange Q&A site for the management of teams of developers?

not sure how you folks feel about the accepted answer here

@enderland threw in my 2 cents

Where would I ask a question about managing a team of hot-dog-makers? If you can replace the word developer with hot-dog-makers and not lose context on the question, It's not about programmers. — Ampt 17 secs ago

2:30 PM

Yeah that's exactly the thing I've found, most of the "developer" focus of workplace types of questions are not really specific to developers and at the very least, generally includes "all technical" people

@enderland There are two problems, though.

Mike

The best part about that interface is really it is just a "convenience" interface for 3 others.

github.com/schambers/fluentmigrator/blob/master/src/…

First, software development can be different. Different types of people may face the same problems, but how you address that problem may be different for software developers than other people. At the most abstract, software development is similar to other knowledge workers. But once you get into the nuances, things that work for one particular type of knowledge worker may not work for another.

@ThomasOwens Oh I know, my point is that the overwhelming majority of questions we have seen on Workplace which are littered with "I'm a software dev" types of text are, at core, a much more general non-software specific problem

Second, if you have limited experience outside of software development, you may not know what's unique to the field and what's not.

2:36 PM

There are obviously questions specific to software development, managing those processes, etc

but the majority of times people ask questions related to managing software people they are not asking about THOSE elements of the question

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2:49 PM

@JimmyHoffa Well, its more a matter that Math is in therapy...

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(from snorgtees.com/dear-math-i-m-not-a-therapist )

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I mean, they're dealing with irrational numbers all the time... and sometimes even people who claim to see imaginary numbers. It just gets a bit complex.

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Then you talk to the trig twins and they're going off on tangents all the time. Its a sure sine of problems.

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@MichaelT What amazes me is how egotistic the people who see imaginary numbers are. It's always "i" this and "i" that. Never a "you" in there, always "i".

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2:52 PM

@Ampt reflection is not necessarily evil and one of the tools that is quite useful when making abstract factories or the like that are throughly decoupled from all but the interface they are constructing.

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If reflection is used to loosen coupling, it tends to be a Good Thing. If it is used to make the coupling tighter its tends to be a Bad Thing.

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@Ampt - read thecodelesscode.com/case/121 and insert "reflection" everywhere it says "thread"

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Its just a tool and should be examined how you use it. But in the end, its still just a tool that is part of the language.

Hmm ok. Its doing something different so I think its ok

also.... how thread safe are those static blocks

just realized we could have dozens of threads going through there...

I just realized how terribly easy it would be to cause memory leaks in languages without garbage collection if you learned a language with it prior to coding in them

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2:55 PM

@enderland (C# || Java ) => (C || C++) can be very hard indeed.

that was my path. Java => Assembly => C => C++ => Python

yeah. I just answerd a VBA question which was super obvious to me but only because I basically learned C++ first

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@Ampt Assembly most likely broke you of any habits that would trip you up in C or C++.

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And I do mean "broke you" :-)

oh it did

many nights were spent crying over tequila smashing keys on the keyboard in vain

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2:58 PM

@Ampt I hope none of the tequila was drunk in vain. That would be sad.

oh no, only the crying and the smashing of keys were vain

the tequila was the only thing that helped me keep my sanity

hey

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Basic, 6502 assembly (F666 G FTW!) , Pascal, (college) , Pascal, Assembly (MIPS), C, C++, Lisp, (3 weeks of each), Java 1.0, ML, Prolog (/3 weeks), Perl, Java (1.4 and beyond)

@emuigai hi

@MichaelT I take back that thread safety thing. I should be fine so long as I'm not modifying the lists at runtime, and I'm not

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And then various dalliances into other languages such as clojure, a fair bit of ruby...

3:06 PM

@MichaelT Ruby?! HIPSTER HERETIC!

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It wasn't by choice.

@MichaelT dm;wr

Ampt I am taking php->java(/android)->(hopefully c or objective c

what do you think?

I've never done PHP so I can't comment on that

going to be steep mountain to climb from java to c

?

3:08 PM

but android and java probably aren't as close as you think. Syntactically they are smilair... but you have two very different mind sets

idk, I did it but C is much lower level than java

so expect lots of things you don't know about to bite you in the ass, I.E. Memory leaks, pointers, object lifetimes

higher level languages tend to sweep stuff like that under the rug

15 mins ago, by enderland

I just realized how terribly easy it would be to cause memory leaks in languages without garbage collection if you learned a language with it prior to coding in them

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@Ampt dm:wr?

@GlenH7 doesn't matter; wrote ruby

Yes, I figured that out when I came from php to java that java is highly oop

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15 mins ago, by GlenH7

@enderland (C# || Java ) => (C || C++) can be very hard indeed.

3:11 PM

shhhh i was looking smart guys

way to ruin it

honestly I don't think there is a right order to learn programming

you just need to learn and learn and learn

and then the languages all kind of look the same with different syntactical sugar

unless you go to the darkside and start doing FP in back alleys

@Ampt but some things are a heck of a lot easier to learn :)

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Everything you learn programing helps learning some other form of programming.

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Some advocate "take the steep learning curve first" with the idea it will make everything easier later. Others go for the "take the shallow curve first" which gives you something workable (sellable) sooner.

@enderland yeah, I means in terms of keeping motivation high you should pick something not too difficult, but in terms of knowledge gained I Would say harder languages teach you more

@MichaelT ugh ftgitc

yeah well that's how life works. harder things mean you learn more, faster

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3:15 PM

My Basic -> Pascal (oh, I forgot to include fortran 70 in that mix) was kind of mandated by the options I had available at the time.

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When you're programming on an Apple ][+ that your father brings home on the weekend, you're programming in Basic... and eventually pascal (because thats what your father has dabbled in).

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Created an account on Astro.SE last night... I just had to flag a question as VLQ that wasn't even wrong. It was a cut and paste from Yahoo Answers... it was... just... words fail to describe it. (yea, its deleted - astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/1151/… )

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@MichaelT and an extra 101 site points for you!

3:31 PM

@GlenH7 yeah what a cheater!

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I am surprisingly close to picking up another delete vote. So I can't complain.

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I'm 212 rep away from 17k here.

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Still looking forward to when we get 3x 20k voters who can get the embarrassingly bad before 2 days.

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My mini-goal is to hit the front page of Prog Users. Because having more imaginary numbers than others matters.

the guidance is right there, in the dupe. Resist the system ("technology") that tempts you to post low quality stuff in the race for the imaginary points, post stuff that keeps your self-respect — gnat 38 mins ago

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3:46 PM

@gnat -1*10^6. What's this self-respect stuff you're talking about?!?

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@GlenH7 18.5k for that threshold currently.

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@MichaelT Knocking 'em off one user at a time. :-)

@GlenH7 danger danger, they wash our brains! i can't figure what is self-respect anymore, either :) Rep gets in my eyes

you know it's friday when @gnat starts dropping youtube links

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There aren't as many questions here, so long term interest on good answers isn't as prevalent here. (the type of thing that Jon Skeet repcaps every day without even posting an answer)

discussion meta fun always-friday-in-iceland memes

3:51 PM

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Q: Always Friday in Iceland?

Possible Duplicate: The Many Memes of Meta Just because I can't find where this has been asked before, could someone explain the always-friday-in-iceland meme?

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I see your video and raise you one.

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Furthermore, many of the first page got most of their rep in the elder NPR days, and those questions don't garner the rep they once did.

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oh, @gnat - where do you pull your Doom beserker image from?

@MichaelT yeah man, its like, class warfare

@GlenH7 he keeps it on his desktop, yo

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3:52 PM

@MichaelT I suspect the semi-active culling program may have something to do with that. ;-)

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An example of someone not too active anymore on the first page.

is that rep dispensed?

@GlenH7 I simply search Whiteboard for berserk, posted by gnat

Nov 15 at 16:00, by gnat

@GlenH7 well my comments to this answer were less than stellar... softly speaking. "doesn't explain what is being asked", gimme a break. Blame Jimmy - checking his bright answer there against that code dump put me into berserk mode and made me loose control :)

ooh thats a single person

3:54 PM

man I wish 1-boxed images displayed correctly in Chrome

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@gnat gracias. If my schedule frees up today, I'm going to put together the MSO post requesting a different shade of pink for deleted questions.

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Compare with a front page SO user...

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Interesting thing about Excel - formulas like RANDBETWEEN are re-run when you copy & paste the values to another sheet.

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3:57 PM

Now, I'm not sure how active that person is, but much of that is just from interest on nearly 7k answers.

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While on P.SE that would represent 25% of all questions. Different size of scope.

@GlenH7 don't forget to request them to add that bottom bar there, too. With Health, Armor and other stuff

André

Hello :)

@enderland it works for me?

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@gnat Wasn't sure I was going to go that far. But I thought asking for fireworks would be appropriate.

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4:02 PM

apropos of nothing. Not sure if any one you have seen this one: theregister.co.uk/2013/12/13/… But I think it's kind of sad. I'm willing to be that the Beastie Boys would have licensed use of their song if they had been asked politely instead of being sued. BB has a strong track record of promoting sharing within the music industry.

@Ampt what version of chrome?

Version 31.0.1650.63 m

Version 31.0.1650.63 m

idk my chrome doesn't let me escape chat pings, either

how do they not work for you?

I ahve to either type a message or qlick

they don't appear, atall

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4:02 PM

I'd like to see GoldieBlox take off and do well, but attacking other iconoclasts isn't the way to go.

they do if I open chat in IE so it's not images being blcoekd

all of the images on here show up fine for me on all my computers... do you have some sort of extension?

all sorts of em! :P

hmm, I can't open a new incognito window to check since that's disabled

yeah it's an extension, just tried all them off

wonder which

adblock plus? wtf man

well that was an easy fix,. thanks @Ampt for the encouragement!

@gnat: In Visual Studio, you can test private methods using Accessors, which presumably use Reflection to execute them. Jimmy Hoffa marks his private methods internal and uses InternalsVisibleTo attributes to expose them to his test harness, something I'm considering for my next project.

@enderland I have Adblock and it works for me so it must have been the Adblock plus! No problem!

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4:13 PM

@RobertHarvey But @JimmyHoffa also advocates using Haskell. So you have to be careful about his recommendations.

lol

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@GlenH7 I've got a goldieblox set sitting in the basement for my niece (currently ~3.5 years old)... also mentioned it to a co-worker who has a 7 year old daughter who was quite thrilled (the co-worker) to find something that is pro-engineering for girls.

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@MichaelT My wife's only complaint was that the age range seemed a bit off - listed age too high for actual toy. But she loved the concept. And even though she's not an engineer, she fights a lot of those related challenges at work.

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age ranges are a very funny thing... and I half expect they bump them up on purpose for 'feel good' -- "My 3 year old child is playing with 5 year old toys..."

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I got a fake 'power' tool set for my niece 2 years ago (its got a drill that makes noise, and other things... including a hard helmet). Said on there "ages 4-7" or something like that. She's been playing with it since she got it at ~2. She plays differently with it now, but its bee something that she's been able to grow in understanding with.

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4:24 PM

(cute thing, my parents bathroom sink leaks... when my niece heard this, she went to her toy chest, got the tools and hard helmet in a tool bag, brought them too the bathroom and played at fixing the sink for awhile...)

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@MichaelT smart girl. Have you ever banged your head while working under the sink? It freaking hurts.

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@GlenH7 Yep. Its the "these are the things to fix XYZ" (she's also used them to 'fix' the door on her large block playhouse... basically, anytime something needs to be 'fixed', she's got her tools to fix them)

@RobertHarvey yeah this stuff is more convenient in .Net than in Java. Though, for 1-2 liner methods it really doesn't matter

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The "set to visible" approach is interesting... though I don't see that working in Java straightforward.

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@MichaelT - For the Friday MSO question on deleted question background color - would it be out of line to use the quote from Andy to show the shade of deleted things?

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4:34 PM

I'm trying to go for a number of inside jokes, but I don't know how that one would go over. The comment itself is pretty dang nonsensical and a good example of something to be deleted.

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@GlenH7 I don't think it would be that inappropriate.

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okay. I'll blur out the user ID to help sanitize it.

Q: What is the name of the functional argument in fold

@MichaelT this Reflections jar has a lot of hidden dependencies... is there somewhere on their google code page that they list them all? I can't find them :/

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@Ampt Thats why you use maven.

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Despite the lack of demonstrated research, does this question really deserve a -3?

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4:39 PM

-3

In the higher order function fold/reduce what is the name, if any, of the functional argument?

terminology functional-programming

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That said, you can still poke at maven to find the dependancies: mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.reflections/reflections/…

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(if you were using maven, it would automatically put those into your environment, and everything they depend on... and everything they depend on...)

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If you look at the .pom file for it, you can see where these dependancies are being set up:

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repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/reflections/reflections/0.9.9-RC1/…

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didn't realize I had cut and pasted that much - sorry.

4:46 PM

@MichaelT private static final Pattern ext = Pattern.compile(".*\\.(.+)");

that doesn't seem to match properly

it couldn't match against response.html

@GlenH7 given that it's only 12 chars longer than your chat message, why not

which, from what I can make out of the arcane magic that is regex should work...

@Ampt arcane magic? ha

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@Ampt just a bit... fixing git master branch.

wait @MichaelT does real work? weird!

4:49 PM

@enderland regex and sql fall under "Arcane arts lost to time" like spoken latin and the bison.

aka I'm a terrible software engineer woooooooooooooooooooooo

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@Ampt don't be tempted by the fake engineers and fall into imitating their clumsy machinations. Stay true to yourself. Know your craft.

ha

Q: New background for deleted posts

5:20 PM

@MichaelT hmmm my annotations aren't working either

reflection, why have you failed me so!

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All my MSO rep is going away now.

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Programmers has picked up a bit of a reputation as of late. We've done our best to shed the remaining issues from the NPR1 days. And we're fortunate to have users who focus on maintaining the site's high quality content, and who move quickly to get rid of the cruft. Heck, we even invited Undo ...

feature-request 10k-tools vote-to-delete always-friday-in-iceland

Q: Shc script size limitation and "_SC_ARG_MAX (see sysconf(2))" parameter

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I wish to change the parameter (which I do not understand exactly what it is and I wish to) and be able to use shc with very long bash scripts Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message

bash

I wish questions like this never hit Programmers Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message

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@GlenH7 exhibit C is having trouble loading.

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Though that might just be imgur.

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5:23 PM

...I really need to play Doom again. — Shog9 1 min ago

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The theory behind soft deletion is that users with 10K of reputation are hopefully mature enough to see this material without making them cry — The Grinch 1 min ago

Did you all know that on Area 51's list of public sites, Programmers is still called "Not Programming Related"?

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@GlenH7 You're at +3/-0 so far...

area51.stackexchange.com/?tab=launched

Not Programming Related – programmers.stackexchange.com

Launched Q&A site for professional programmers who are interested in getting expert answers on conceptual questions about software development.

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5:27 PM

@GlenH7 apparently "its friday" posts get upvotes on friday if done well enough.

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@GlenH7 - no prob. Though that specific user has been deleted. Gone. Is no more. — Oded 16 secs ago

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only one "this is for real?" type comment, so doing okay

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@RobertHarvey now you're going to need to pose a different interface for mods to destroy users...

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@Oded: No doubt at the hands of a BFG-3000. — The Grinch 53 secs ago

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@RobertHarvey - yes, definitely a bit of hyperbole going on there. Thanks for adding the comment in.

5:31 PM

Is there more to creating your own annotation than:
    public @interface Types {
    	String[] knownTypes();
    }

do I need to implement any sort of interface?

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@Ampt The annotation on the annotation to say where its available.

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@MichaelT +7 / -2 so far

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Dec 7 at 21:14, by MichaelT

package server;

import java.lang.annotation.ElementType;
import java.lang.annotation.Retention;
import java.lang.annotation.RetentionPolicy;
import java.lang.annotation.Target;

@Target(ElementType.TYPE)
@Retention(RetentionPolicy.RUNTIME)
public @interface Types {
	String[] knownTypes();
}

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The retention policy is key. Otherwise you won't see them at runtime.

@MichaelT would that keep classes from showing up as being annotated properly?

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5:32 PM

Thats exactly what it would do.

specifically this line:

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Some annotations are compile time only - for example @deprecated.

if(possibleMatch.isAnnotationPresent(Types.class)) {

doesn't match, even though the classes are annotated with @Types

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Its there for the compile to warn about, but isn't needed once the program is running.

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how do you do a spoiler in a MSO post? What are the tags to wrap something with? I want to wrap my exhibit c

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5:34 PM

change it to a link rather than an inline image.

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@Ampt Add that retention policy to it.

aha!

that seemed to do it. now to make the rest of it work

thank you!

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Dec 7 at 21:22, by MichaelT

> public static final RetentionPolicy CLASS
Annotations are to be recorded in the class file by the compiler but need not be retained by the VM at run time. This is the default behavior.

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@GlenH7 iPodfather and Nest CEO spotted showing off (RED) Mac Pro, Gold EarPods

A: why are the best questions the ones which have been closed?

Where is that meta post where Yannis analyzed the site traffic, before and after the NPRocalypse?

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5:41 PM

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tl;dr We already tried supporting those questions, we even gave them their own site. Sadly, it didn't work out. C'est la vie. 3 years ago, a Stack Exchange site called Not Programming Related came out of Area51, the Stack Exchange staging zone. NPR was supposed to be a site where questions t...

Ack. There's no scale lines on the second graph. Is the second line up 40K unique visitors?

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@RobertHarvey The scale at the right of the first graph and left of the second graph appear to match, so that the the y bars always represent 20k in that graph is a fair assumption

Thanks.

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@MichaelT bling! bling!

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Did you read the price of bling?

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5:46 PM

> The Mac Pro sold at auction for $977,000 while the EarPods went for just under half a million dollars at $461,000.

@GlenH7 >! does the spoiler. But last time I checked, links and images were going through it. Only plain text, and plain text in smaller font works there I'm afraid

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@RobertHarvey - are you trying to argue that my feature request won't help enough people? :-( (just teasing, btw)

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@gnat That's what I found too. I tried a few different ways but it wouldn't render correctly. Shog put a good edit in place.

I'm saying that I'm firmly convinced that all of those users understand the context of the deleted material.

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I would hope so. And I did pause before putting that particular deleted comment up there. Wasn't sure if Oded was miffed about that one or not. Out of context though, it's a hilariously stupid comment that deserved to be nuked.

php programming-languages web-development history terminology object-oriented open-source

5:48 PM

@GlenH7 programmers.stackexchange.com/users/25936/yannis-rizos

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@YannisRizos Awesome!

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Yannis Rizos ♦, Thessaloniki, Greece

25k 32 117 177

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@RobertHarvey I was half tempted to ask Oded who had the first hand account of unleashing the BFG3000 but was pretty sure that wouldn't get answered.

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@YannisRizos You could get one with a santa hat on it, put it as your MSO avatar and post an answer...

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@Oded your ears were burning?

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5:51 PM

And you must have known inquiring minds would have been curious about the BFG3000 being fired off.

Oded

And then some

@MichaelT Heh, I was going to post an answer on MSO, but @RobertHarvey spoiled the fun for everyone by posting a serious answer...

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@YannisRizos You can get the accepted answer which will then show up above his.

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@YannisRizos WAT? when has that ever stopped anything?

I wasn't the only one who thought the question was serious (well, half-serious).

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5:53 PM

It's half-serious. Not the doom shades and all that. But changing up the deleted background wouldn't hurt. Fireworks would be freaking awesome.

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@YannisRizos And he is The Grinch for a reason... spoiling all the fun...

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@RobertHarvey think of how many people would get into /review on SO if the closing vote had a fireworks anamation!

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@MichaelT No, it merely raises the bar for Yannis' hyperbole in his answer

HAHA! BEHOLD MY POWER AS CHAMPION OF THE SOCKETS!

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@gnat - nice edit there

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5:56 PM

@Ampt Socket it to me?

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(too young I bet)

@MichaelT Heck no, I was boss at that game

amazon.com/Rock-Em-Sock-ROBOTS-Game/dp/B00005BY8V

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A: New background for deleted posts

@GlenH7 I probably should have changed the color of that screen shot taken from Yannis, to, naturally bloody red, to better match the question asked

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5:58 PM

@gnat Maybe save those efforts for whatever Yannis throws out there

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And I see some comments have disappeared from my MSO question. I suspected they might.

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warning that the second one did air on national television and was not censored... but the video may not be completely appropriate for workplace viewing today. Not not safe for work, but well, you're watching videos on youtube at work...

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Anyways... lunch

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But programmers here is the crux; it's the reason for the feature request existing but not the reason for the change... There are more than 6,000 accounts on Stack Overflow that could get the juicy fireworks and slowly-rotting-blood-colour goodness. Think of what you'd be denying people! — ben is uǝq backwards 3 mins ago

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I love how Ben is trying to steal the idea for SO.

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6:13 PM

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Yes! As a Programmers moderator, I fully support this. And while we are at it, the mod menu could use some love:

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@YannisRizos - literally laughed out loud on that one. Priceless.

There should also be a picture of a bunny on the flag queue. You know the one. — Shog9 6 mins ago

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6:31 PM

@YannisRizos I think the real solution to the SO close review queue is to turn it into more of a game. Why play WoW (or whatever) when you can nuke crap questions instead?

@GlenH7 Have you read Pëkka's answer?

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not yet. Heading there now

I think it deserves the green checkmark.

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that is effing hilarious

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especially the alternate image Pekka was thinking of using. Makes the ones I used quite tame in comparison

A: New queue for moderators: questions that appear stuck in close votes review at SO

6:38 PM

@GlenH7 Friday 13, 2013 - no wonder. They're coming!

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This isn't a bad idea... However, one of the big reasons for taking close flags out of the moderator queue was to get moderators out of the business of mechanically closing hundreds of questions each day. The whole point of voting to close was to attempt to establish some consensus as to which q...

queue UI sketch: i.stack.imgur.com/4mHqM.jpg (courtesy of Pëkka) — gnat 5 mins ago

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@gnat Do I have to click to reload?

@GlenH7 do you have ammo to reload? (I'm out by the way - no DV, no CV left)

only flags. Killed pair of zombies with these

@MichaelT my working version of that app is on github if you were interested. about to submit it right now lol

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@gnat lots. Drop some links and I'll fire away.

a few places aren't as smooth as it could be but it works overall which is a win

A: Is doing two things on one line always a bad practice?

6:41 PM

@GlenH7 oh that's easy...

-4

Or just: for(i = 0; i < count; pinConf(pins[i++]));

or this one - more like a level boss, hard to kill:

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A: How to do a clean refactoring of an If Else Code without leaving any free blocks?

I'm not a fan of your empty if and return statements. It becomes tricky to follow, and it's generally frowned upon to have multiple return statements within the body of your code. Given your goals, I would do something like this: if ( ! condition1 ) { if ( condition2 ) Statement2; ...

> Note: This solution is wrong! Consider !condition1 && !condition2 && !condition3

too much armor for my flag

user41796

@gnat I think he was trying to be sarcastic but blew it. So I edited his answer accordingly.

user41796

On to the second one.

user41796

That second one is more difficult. Bleh.

user41796

Because it's current form is referenced by another answer

user41796

@gnat I wonder if the bounty kicked the question out of the close vote review queue.

6:49 PM

@GlenH7 wow that's a hell of an edit. Can't believe it (undownvoted, of course)

@GlenH7 no it's still there: programmers.stackexchange.com/review/close/46663

user41796

Having been accused of being a sarcastic azz once or twice in my life gave me the background to understand what he was trying to accomplish.

user41796

> This item is no longer reviewable.

@GlenH7 that's only because you voted. If it was over, you'd see "review completed" - like here: programmers.stackexchange.com/review/close/46786

user41796

duh. That makes sense

user41796

Still thinking of how to address the 2nd one. Even the author acknowledged it's wrong but they didn't delete.

6:56 PM

@GlenH7 FWIW, my flag on it has been declined: please take a look: OP 1) vomits a code dump 2) agrees in comments that their code is wrong and finally, 3) edits their post to openly admit "This solution is wrong". As far as I can tell, this doesn't conform to answer guidelines (quoted in comments): "What, specifically, is the question asking for? Make sure your answer provides that – or a viable alternative..."

=> flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer

user41796

Sorry, but not too surprised on that one. The mods are bound by SE rules to ignore the accuracy of an answer when reviewing it. It's that potential precedent thing...