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3:39 PM
Many people, being given information that they can use and that they didn't have before, are glad they learned something and say so. And that includes things about the nature of LaTeX and MathJax. I see that on math.s.e. Never until very recently did such a person say to me "Because of the sweeping completeness of my ignorance, you must bow to my superior understanding."
I didn't expect that all of the moderators would not only be completely ignorant of the reasons why TeX and LaTeX and MathJax were created, but would also claim that their complete ignorance makes them authorities to whom I should bow down.
 
@MichaelHardy No one said that to you. Please stop putting words in other peoples' mouths.
 
The fact that they don't know why something in MathJax or LaTeX is done in a certain why, and I do know why, means that those things in MathJax and LaTeX are without value, and they know that I don't understand that.
 
Those are your perceptions, but they don't describe reality, @Michael. I wish you well.
 
They do indeed describe the reality.
Instead of asking a knowledgeable person to explain to them how some features of MathJax and LaTeX are of value they said "We don't already know that, so there's nothing to know and you must submit to that, our decision."
They claimed their own total ignorance as something I should recognize as superiority.
 
4:34 PM
@amWhy Hello amwhy. Can I ask you something about moderation in MSE?
 
The fact that the moderators are ignorant of the value of something done in LaTeX was cited by them as meaning it has no value. That they should ask someone who is not so ignorant to explain it did not occur to them; rather they appointed themselves the instructor of the more knowledgeable person and said: What you did has no value because we are not among those who know what that value is.
 
@Prithubiswas I'll help as best I can, but it would be better to ask a moderator directly.
 
4:51 PM
@amWhy Ok I will ask you then. So , lets say a user is suspended for some finite amount of time. During the suspension , Are the moderators allowed to tell why the user was suspended ? If not , why?
 
@Prithubiswas No, they will not. You'll often see anyone of four general reasons listed on their profile, ("rules violation", "irregular voting", "due to poor quality contributions", or "to cool down",) but they cannot go in to any further details.
Stack Exchange, overall, and site moderators, are committed to protect the privacy of users.
 
@amWhy Oh ok that makes sense.
@amWhy By the way , I was asking about this because recently , a user was suspended for a short period of time but I personally thought the users suspension was unclear/not justified. So I guess I can't ask the mods about the specific reason for the users suspension because of privacy reasons.
 
@amWhy "to cool down"? What is this suspension reason?
 
@Prithubiswas Correct. And you cannot know whether it was justified or not, because mods cannot reveal the reasons.
@soupless I haven't seen it used recently, but in the event a user loses their cool, sometimes when arguing with another user who loses their cool, they may each receive a "cool down" time out, typically rather short, unless they habitually lose their cool.
 
5:07 PM
Oh. I thought a user might ask a mod for some timeout, and that is a reason.
 
@amWhy Thanks for your response. Now another question , can I talk about the suspension of this "user" in any chatroom . Asking this because it is a very concerning matter to me.
 
@soupless That's possible for a user to do; and is often the reason given. Say a user has exams coming up in a month or two, but they don't know if they can pull themselves away from math.se, some have asked mods to essentially "time out" their account.
 
Oh, okay. Thank you very much.
 
@Prithubiswas No, best not to do that. Speculation can make matters worse, and imaginations go wild.
@soupless :-)
 
@amWhy Ok. I guess I should wait for the storm to calm down. Right?
 
5:12 PM
@Prithubiswas Indeed. I know it can be frustrating. But waiting out the "storm" is safest! :-)
 
5:53 PM
@MichaelHardy You are misunderstanding what has been told to you. I don't know if this is a willful misunderstanding, or if we have simply failed to communicate effectively. On the assumption that it is the latter:
1) The edits which have drawn attention are things like changing dxdy to dx\,dy. Such edits are minor. Yes, it can be argued that they improve readability, and I would put forward that the thinspace is "more correct" (though I have seen it argued that $$\iint f(x,y)\, dxdy$$ is more correct than $$\iint f(x)\, dx\,dy,$$ as the integral the $dxdy$ should be understood as a single symbol---I disagree with this, but the argument can be made).
2) When editing older posts, edits should make significant improvements. Generally speaking, do not edit old posts for basic copy editing.
3) When editing any post, please do not make edits which alter the original asker's style.
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Edits like those outlined in (1) are not significant improvements. In light of (2), they should not be made if it will bump an old post. They are also, arguably, a stylistic choice, and should not be made per (3).
Now, you are free to disagree---you clearly believe that these kinds of edits are of great significance. You are welcome to feel that way in your own personal writing and work. However, it is the opinion of the moderating team that these edits are not significant enough to bump an old post. As part of a more significant edit, great. If a post is new, great. But please don't bump old posts because you want to enforce your opinions about proper typesetting on everyone else.
(And, for what it is worth, I disagree with you, because the "correct" typesetting would be $$\iint f(x,y)\,\mathrm{d}x\,\mathrm{d}y, $$ But I don't enforce my subjective opinions regarding good typesetting on others.)
 
 
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9:02 PM
@XanderHenderson : Bill Dubuque has an affected style and I will leave that alone. But when a newbie clearly doesn't know how to some simple things with MathJax, then the question of interfering with personal style is not the issue. And when something can be objectively seen to improve readability,
then it's not a matter of imposing one's own subjective tastes on others, and on that some of the utterances of you and other moderators make me suspect that you don't understand when that is happening. And on things that improve readability, I will be surprised if I don't know more than all of the moderators.
@XanderHenderson : And as I have mentioned, very many users have thanked me for making them aware of MathJax features by doing edits resembling those that the moderators brought up, and none has complained.
 
@MichaelHardy Then you can leave a comment to them below their post suggesting, e.g., how to write \tilde. Mods only warn users when such users have been flagged frequently by other users. So you're interventions are hardly universally welcome on this site. If you have a suggestion, provide a mathjax lesson in a comment. Enough.
 
9:48 PM
"Mods only warn users when such users have been flagged frequently by other users." I am inclined to doubt that that is true.
 
10:47 PM
@MichaelHardy No one has said that your edits don't improve readability. Indeed, your edits almost match my own preferences for how integrals should be presented. However, adding a thinspace between differentials is a minor formatting edit, and does not merit bumping an old post. It can also be argued that it is a matter of style (and maybe the newbie user actually intended to format the differential as they did---we can't read minds!),...
... and edits should not be used to impose your subjective views regarding style.
You can choose to believe that the moderators are all idiots, and that we don't understand what you are doing. However, if you operate under that assumption, you are going to continue to find yourself frustrated. The alternative is to assume that we actually do understand what you are doing, and that we (for reasons repeatedly articulated) would like you to stop.
Please, do not edit posts just to change the spelling of "color" to "colour", or to insert serial commas, or to change dydx to dy\,dx. Please also do not edit posts just to remove extraneous curly braces.
These do not constitute significant improvements to a post.
As amWhy suggests, you are free to use the comments to suggest these kinds of edits, but you should not take it upon yourself to unilaterally enforce your subjective opinions regarding proper typesetting.
 

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