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Mahesh
Mahesh
12:00 PM
@jokerdino good joke. :P not this time.
 
Amith KK
Amith KK
@Mahesh c'mon,why not?
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Think really hard. Surely, next time then :P
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
I'm not worthy of it yet, and probably I cant handle it with my already busy workload.
Ubuntu membership is something I consider seriously. but with so little activity, I dont feel like applying yet. Thats a long term goal for me.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Speak the truth :P
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
@jokerdino :P
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
12:03 PM
@Mahesh I would happily write testimonies for you. :)
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
well, as I said, not this time for AU mod.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
For the Ubuntu member, sir.
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
membership, I'll make an application this summers.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
And AU mod next year ;)
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
lets see.
;)
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
12:04 PM
I am also considering UDS-S
Would be a nice experience.
 
Amith KK
Amith KK
@jokerdino Noo
I wanna come
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Please do!!
 
Amith KK
Amith KK
Where is it gonna be held?
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Oakland, CA, USA
May 1 - 4
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
I'm considering UDS-W
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
12:06 PM
I predict Canonical to fold in 4-5 years.
 
Amith KK
Amith KK
UDS-ZZ for me :P
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
no, i'm not joking there. :P
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
@Mahesh if Canonical sponsors your trip, wouldn't you?
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
I'll graduate by then. well, post-graduate to be precise.
 
Amith KK
Amith KK
@jokerdino Who wouldn't
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
12:07 PM
@jokerdino IF, then why would I think twice?
 
Amith KK
Amith KK
heck, even windows fanboys would come :P
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
First time Ubuntu member has a decent chance to be sponsored, I was told.
counting on that :P
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
oh.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
well, anyway, that's in two months or so.
Your exam is next day.
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
hahahah.. yup that.
tomorrow's exam is covered. that's my home ground so to say.
 
Amith KK
Amith KK
12:10 PM
@Mahesh Good Luck
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
I'm more worried about one on tuesday.
@AmithKK thanks. :)
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
12:21 PM
@Mahesh Probably not. I don't think I can make the commitment these days. I'll know in a couple days, but I'm pretty sure I'll decide not to run in this election. Thanks for asking, though!
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
:) I hope you decide otherwise.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
@EliahKagan :(
And I got to go. Cya guys
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
12:38 PM
I come back after a while to see two removed posts.
/me suspicious
:P
 
njallam
njallam
/me is about to edit the Ubuntu kernel...
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
@Mahesh I was mistaken. removed my question.
overlooked something very obvious.
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
oh. happens..
 
njallam
njallam
What I was really saying was, help! anyone know how to recompile the kernel?
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
@njallam yes, I've just answered a Q about that a week ago. let me find it
 
njallam
njallam
12:43 PM
ah, cool
 
Takkat
Takkat
 
njallam
njallam
@Takkat thank you!
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
@Takkat ouch. that is using make-kpkg?
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Q: How do I obtain the offical Ubuntu patched kernel source without using git?

Matt HI'm needing to custom compile a kernel to enable some very specific hardware features that are not on by default and have to be compiled in. I started following this guide but it seems to be slightly outdated for 12.04 onwards as some commands fail with missing source packages. https://help.ubu...

12.04 kernel compiling
^-- builds 'the right way"
 
njallam
njallam
ah ok
I'm just apt-getting the source ATM
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
I see a lot of Q&A about the way upstream builds... but the Debian/Ubuntu way for packaged sources is way easier.
 
Amith KK
Amith KK
12:46 PM
BBL
 
njallam
njallam
bye
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
and the one Takkat mentioned doesn't work anymore, it's depending on Qt3. removed in Quantal.
it's a very old fashioned way.
 
Takkat
Takkat
So sad when old recipies deprecate over time :"(
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
@Takkat well, that one shouldn't be used anyway
just my opinion
but it's right there in the A already: old-fashioned way.
The debuild approach will always work, as this includes the recipe how to build it.
 
njallam
njallam
apparently the source is already included?
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
12:50 PM
@njallam included in what?
 
njallam
njallam
I'm now doing build-dep
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
no
build-dep is installing build dependencies
 
Takkat
Takkat
like it says in the Ubuntu Community Wiki - old fashioned but simpler.
 
njallam
njallam
/me confused
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
@Takkat Alternate Build Method: The Old-Fashioned Debian Way Simpler? WTF
@njallam confused about what?
 
Takkat
Takkat
12:52 PM
<-- never built a kernel so I can't really tell how difficult it can become
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
@njallam you need to install the build dependencies in order to build the source
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@Takkat It's too bad "community wiki" means 2 totally different things on Ask Ubuntu. :)
 
njallam
njallam
Do I need to get the source video Git? It says Skipping already downloaded file
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
@njallam what?
apt-get source will get you the source just fine!
and what about video?
 
Takkat
Takkat
@EliahKagan thanks - fixed.
 
njallam
njallam
1:10 PM
apt-get source:
NOTICE: 'linux' packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control system at:
http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git-repos/ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal.git
Skipping already downloaded file 'linux_3.5.0-23.35.dsc'
Skipping already downloaded file 'linux_3.5.0.orig.tar.gz'
Skipping already downloaded file 'linux_3.5.0-23.35.diff.gz'
Does that mean that the source is prepackaged?
 
jrg
jrg
@Mahesh ask meta. I've got no problems with it.
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
was kind of expecting that.
:P
 
jrg
jrg
You should know the answer for everything: meta.
When I'm a parent, I'm going to run a stack exchange clone called meta.giffordhousehold.lan, and have my kids ask everything through there.
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"Can I go outside and play?" "Let's consult meta."
 
njallam
njallam
nja@nja-ubuntu:~$ chmod a+x debian/scripts/*
chmod: cannot access `debian/scripts/*': No such file or directory
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
1:30 PM
@jrg that would be terrible.
 
jrg
jrg
@Mahesh good thing I'm not a parent then.
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
:P
 
jrg
jrg
@Mahesh admit it, its a good thing.
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
NO!
meta is good. good at SE. it is not the awesome solution for everything
@jrg admit it, it is a bad thing
 
jrg
jrg
It'll be like programmers.SE. "as a 16-year-old, when is a acceptable curfew" < NARQ.
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
1:36 PM
hit me hard if that made any sense.
 
jrg
jrg
Or, "as a teenager, when can I start driving" < subjective.
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
I'm seriously happy I'm not your kid. :P
 
jrg
jrg
Oh, the things I come up with. I'm an genius who will take over the world with my absolutely wonderful ideas.
;-)
 
Mahesh
Mahesh
ah. yup that.
 
jrg
jrg
You could issue timeouts via a moderator suspension. Yeah, maybe this isn't such a great idea...
 
FEichinger
FEichinger
1:41 PM
Okay... "screen turns off at yelling" is a more humane solution than what @jrg comes up with. This has to be a first.
 
jrg
jrg
Bwahahah.
OK, I'm out. Thanks for paying attention to the daily troll from me. :-)
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
2:19 PM
@jrg Wait. Why would that be meta? Wouldn't that just be the regular SE clone site, and then the meta site would be about what kinds of questions they should ask under what circumstances? Also, what if they downvote you so much, you're answer-banned?
 
njallam
njallam
2:44 PM
Yay, my new kernel is compiling!
 
FEichinger
FEichinger
Yay!
 
njallam
njallam
3:16 PM
ARGHG
I am so so stupid
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I did not allocate enough diskspace to my kernal compiling VM.
 
FEichinger
FEichinger
4:00 PM
lol
 
Seth
Seth
4:56 PM
@jokerdino Awesome! You know if you run you are almost guaranteed a place ;)
 
Ask Ubuntu Meta
Ask Ubuntu Meta
0
Q: A comment about the FAQ

vasa1In the second paragraph of the FAQ, two links (shown in bold) point to the same page: Please follow the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, Ubuntu Leadership Code of Conduct, and this FAQ when participating in this community. That link is: http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct

discussion site-faq
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Q: Is the "community help wiki" the same as "community-wiki" on Ask Ubuntu?

Eliah KaganI've heard of community wiki posts on Ask Ubuntu, but there seems to be something else called the community wiki, the community help wiki, or Ubuntu community wiki. This is confusing. What's the difference? This is related to Why do some questions have "community wiki" over the user&#...

support community ubuntu-community community-wiki
 
AbrahamVanHelpsing
AbrahamVanHelpsing
5:14 PM
herro all
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
Hi.
 
Seth
Seth
Hello
 
Ask Ubuntu Meta
Ask Ubuntu Meta
5:33 PM
0
Q: How can a user with less than 50 reputation leave a comment on another user's question?

AdityaAs per the FAQ, a user needs atleast 50 Reputation points in order to leave comments globally on the site - one can always comment on one's own questions and answers and answers to questions one has asked. This means that a user needs atleast 50 Reputation points to comment on a question posted ...

discussion
 
 
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AbrahamVanHelpsing
AbrahamVanHelpsing
7:33 PM
o/ @ajmitch long time no see
Does this make sense to anyone but me: askubuntu.com/questions/245687/…
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
@EliahKagan your overuse of bold is killing me!
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Seth
Seth
lol
that's worth a star :P
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@JorgeCastro I am always open to (and grateful for) edits that improve my formatting!
 
Seth
Seth
should old bug questions get closed as TL or OT?
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@Seth If they should have been closed OT then, they can be closed OT now. If for some reason they should not have been closed then, but are abandoned and merit closure now, then TL, but I would imagine that's a comparatively rare scenario. TL;DR: OT. ;)
 
Seth
Seth
7:48 PM
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Q: Keyboard gets sluggish after a while (after upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04)

Geir IseneKeyboard gets sluggish a while after login. Originally reported a few weeks ago here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11869633 Short recap: At a random time after login (never less than half an hour so far), approximately once every other day (after upgrading 6 weeks ago), the keyboar...

12.04 upgrade keyboard
should have been closed then, TL now
So TL?
ah whatever. TL.
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
8:08 PM
@Seth Sorry, wasn't look at chat for a while. Anyway, I don't think it really matters a whole lot.
 
Seth
Seth
OK :)
 
Shog9
Shog9
@EliahKagan what's the disadvantage to just closing these as off-topic then?
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@Shog9 Often when a question is closed as off-topic, more information is provided in comments, with links to bugs on Launchpad, or advice on bug reporting. I suppose if people comment with links to where the same bug was posted earlier, then OP's of the newer bug posts can refer to it. But that seems like an ugly hack designed to achieve duplication where it is not allowed.
I think that, anywhere a "is a dupe of ...but not technically" idiom would be considered appropriate, being able to actually make it a duplicate would be even better.
I think my other concern about self-dupes was at least partially unwarranted though--I think I remember successfully close-voting a question to the same OP's older question. I wonder what happens when an OP posts the same question with two separate accounts, though. (Not to circumvent anything, but just because a lot of new users post unintentionally with multiple accounts.)
 
Shog9
Shog9
@EliahKagan Worth noting that closed, unanswered questions can eventually get deleted - so they tend to make pretty lousy targets for dup-closing. Yeah, they can avoid this fate if they're up-voted or heavily commented on, but that's not really a given.
@EliahKagan Yeah, the same-author rule was supposed to be in there from the start; lots of folks dup their own posts, intentionally or accidentally. Was a bug that it didn't work for a bit.
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
8:23 PM
@Shog9 Yeah, I don't actually want to keep them around. If we did, people would start "subscribing to bugs" on Ask Ubuntu, which would be a bad thing. It's only for pretty short term purposes that I think it makes sense to refer people to closed OT bug questions. I think this only makes sense when the closed "master" question is itself acting only as a (temporary) signpost to lead the way to Launchpad (or another bug tracker, if applicable).
 
Shog9
Shog9
@EliahKagan If someone's posting from multiple accounts, you can flag & get a moderator to merge those; that should really happen anyway if the original question is supposed to be kept around - if the author lost access to their original account, they won't be able to edit / comment on the original post either.
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@Shog9 Can moderators still merge accounts? I seem to recall that was recently changed, and now we're supposed to comment asking people to use the help page.
 
Shog9
Shog9
@EliahKagan For the moment, yes. We're discussing disabling that, since it's occasionally misused in ways that violate our privacy policy. That said, merging two unregistered accounts (or unregistered into registered) is pretty safe.
Even in cases where an account merge isn't possible, moderators can override the dup-closing restrictions, merge questions, etc.
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@Shog9 Ok, that makes sense. Btw, thx for your attention to all this, and for listening to everyone's concerns!
 
Shog9
Shog9
@EliahKagan No problem. This change isn't supposed to make anything more difficult
Out of 8 thousand-some questions closed as duplicates on AU, only 113 would've violated the new restrictions. Closing as dups of unanswered questions is pretty rare.
 
George Edison
George Edison
8:31 PM
o/
 
Shog9
Shog9
That said, I'm far more familiar with SO than other sites, so stuff like the bug-closing scenario didn't even occur to me.
 
George Edison
George Edison
What did I miss?
 
Shog9
Shog9
@GeorgeEdison Pizza
 
George Edison
George Edison
:(
 
Shog9
Shog9
And ice cream
 
George Edison
George Edison
8:32 PM
Double :(
 
Shog9
Shog9
Ice cream on pizza is pretty good stuff
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George Edison
George Edison
Doesn't the large difference in heat cause problems... specifically for the ice cream?
My fan is making a buzzing noise... I wonder if that's a good thing...
 
Seth
Seth
 
Shog9
Shog9
@GeorgeEdison Never had pie a la mode?
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George Edison
George Edison
Nope.
 
Seth
Seth
8:45 PM
:O
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@Shog9 I make an effort to star all messages that praise pie. Also, I like pie with ice cream on it.
 
Shog9
Shog9
pie is the best
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Ask Ubuntu Meta
Ask Ubuntu Meta
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Q: The election page needs updating

guntbertThe introductory page about moderator elections still contains text about the Ubuntu Leadership Code of Conduct. As that was merged into the Ubuntu Code of Conduct the page needs updating. It might need other improvements too.

discussion
 
Shog9
Shog9
But to answer your question: the ice cream slowly melts into it as you eat (you combine them immediately before serving). So each bite is hot and cold, firm and creamy.
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jrg
jrg
Hi shog.
guess we'll need to discuss the election page stuff... Hm...
 
George Edison
George Edison
8:50 PM
Election page stuff?
See, I knew there was something I had missed.
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@guntbert You may want to unaccept my answer there until this is fully resolved, to make clear it's an open issue.
 
Shog9
Shog9
@jrg it's easily changed. Just need to know how.
 
jrg
jrg
Good catch and thanks for the suggestion Eliah.
@shog9 we can edit it too, so yes, just need to know how.
 
guntbert
guntbert
@Shog9 thx for the hint - I am still trying to get the hangs of it :-)
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@jrg That was actually @guntbert's catch. Based on @vasa1's (about the FAQ). But thx!
 
jrg
jrg
8:52 PM
@eliah you have a good solution though. Its a decision that should be made.
 
Shog9
Shog9
Something we're gonna be trying now is setting up a separate election chatroom for each site. So folks can discuss the candidates, ask questions etc.
So, there'll be a link to that on the nom page, along with a link to election.stackexchange.com (which is back up finally)
 
George Edison
George Edison
@Seth Now you be sure to enter when the nomination phase begins.
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Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@jrg How should we make it? Maybe add CW answers for voting, to the meta question? I'm not sure what alternatives to my suggestion people might support though ...so I don't know what CW answers to put alongside it. (And I think people may upvote my answer for other reasons, besides agreeing with the specific suggestion I put in it.)
 
jrg
jrg
Will this be automated creation or should we just make one, call it like "ask ubuntu punditry headquarters"
 
guntbert
guntbert
ah I seemingly mistyped - @EliahKagan thx for the hint - done
 
Seth
Seth
8:56 PM
sorry, I was in another room
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@guntbert Mistyped?
 
jrg
jrg
Do I need to send Google calendar invites to people so they don't miss it like last year? ;-)
 
Seth
Seth
@GeorgeEdison still unsure, sorry.
 
jrg
jrg
(amithkk and jokerdino should have the one from last year...)
 
George Edison
George Edison
Well, if you are sure and decide to run... you have my vote.
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guntbert
guntbert
8:58 PM
@EliahKagan no worries, I sent my "thx for the hint" to shog9 at first
 
Seth
Seth
Thanks for the support :)
 
Shog9
Shog9
@jrg I'll just be creating them for the time-being (unless you want to, in which case go right ahead)
 
George Edison
George Edison
Ask Ubuntu election advice: Vote early and vote often.
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@guntbert Oh. Gotcha. (Definitely no problem. :-)
 
jrg
jrg
@George election advice: vote as often as you can. In this case, once per section. More often and I'll suspend everyone. ;-)
 
Seth
Seth
8:59 PM
lol
 
guntbert
guntbert
What do we do if one user posts a duplicate of his own (unanswered) question a few days later? Flag as duplicate is not possible.
 
George Edison
George Edison
@jrg Can all of my sockpuppets vote?
 
Seth
Seth
@guntbert It should still be.
 
jrg
jrg
And I'm watching the known socks. They vote, everyone who's IP matches is dead. Forever.
 
George Edison
George Edison
Time to switch proxies...
 
jrg
jrg
9:00 PM
Lol. :-P
 
Seth
Seth
That was the only time you are allowed to flag for dupe without an answered question
 
jrg
jrg
@shog9 OK, I'll make one, it'll be fun.
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@Seth Yeah, that's an exception.
 
Seth
Seth
right ;)
 
George Edison
George Edison
Can everyone please stop associating a single IP address with a single device?
 
guntbert
guntbert
9:00 PM
@Seth, how? the dialog wnts a link to an answered question - shall I "lie" to it?
 
George Edison
George Edison
We have a lot of people using NATs after all.
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
All my sockpuppets can vote! (That would change, however, the instant my number of sockpuppets exceeded zero.)
 
Seth
Seth
@guntbert Have you tried? I did one recently.
 
guntbert
guntbert
let me try, @Seth
 
George Edison
George Edison
I still have FlackBot... but I specifically instructed him/her/it not to vote as it would generally be considered a conflict of interest.
 
Seth
Seth
9:01 PM
I don't believe either @AmithKK or @jokerdino would use socks!
pinging @gertvdijk
 
guntbert
guntbert
@Seth worked, I only needed to try
 
Seth
Seth
;)
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@jrg (and anyone interested): So ...I'm not sure how the decision about code of conduct requirements ought to be made. But I could edit the meta question with a "banner" asking people to vote their opinion. And add CW answers (separate from what's there now) for (1) require candidates to signed CoC 2.0, and (2) reword to allow older versions too, provided that they agree to abide by the corresponding Leadership CoC.
Would that make sense?
 
Seth
Seth
BTW I've created a backlog in the Regulators Room.
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
@Seth I'm out of close votes for the day, unfortunately. (But there's lots of other people here, maybe someone can help.)
 
Seth
Seth
9:05 PM
Starts here for those of you that are interested in getting some useful flags ;)
@EliahKagan yeah, I was typing :)
 
jrg
jrg
@eliah I don't think we have a choice, I think we have to do 2.0. I'll check with the community council though.
 
George Edison
George Edison
Why is debian-keyring a 39.7 MB package...?
 
Seth
Seth
out for a walk. later folks. (No, you don't need to save any Pie for me :P)
 
jrg
jrg
Because we fall under their jurisdiction when it comes to leadership positions. Sorta kinda.
 
George Edison
George Edison
Why is debian-keyring a 39.7 MB package...?
 
Eliah Kagan
Eliah Kagan
9:08 PM
@jrg K, that makes sense. Thx for checking.
 
jrg
jrg
I'll find out for sure though.
 
jrg
jrg
9:21 PM
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
@Seth wow got a notification like just only now
@Seth You were pinging me for what? :)
 
gertvdijk
gertvdijk
10:10 PM
Just found a very nice command to list the APT sources configured! apt-cache policy (without arguments). I knew about apt-cache policy, but only in combination with a package. This is going to be very helpful!
 
Curious Apprentice
Curious Apprentice
10:27 PM
Hi there ! any one knows how to switch between Jack and Pulseaudio ?
 
George Edison
George Edison
11:27 PM
Backporting GCC 4.7 to Precise...
58 MiB... I conclude that this is not a small package. And downloading the entire thing only to upload it on my poky connection is not fun.
Maybe I should ssh into one of my servers and use it instead...
 
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