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12:15 AM
@terdon Don't worry about me worrying I worry all the time so it's normal :)
Changing the subject you'll like me new Q&A in about an hour. Guaranteed! or your money back
 
 
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1:37 AM
Re. the current issues, this question got a lot of (net) downvotes. I have no objection to anyone editing my questions/answers to fit the zeitgeist.
 
@DKBose Luckily no one posted an answer so you can delete the question and recover all the downvotes.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix that's not my question. Someone else posted that.
 
1:53 AM
@DKBose Oh well then you can tell him what I just said if you want to stop his bleeding.
The question has problems from the start in the title with "compelled speech". No one makes you speak you have the desire to speak. There is no law against being silent and saying (or typing) nothing.
So when I read the title I stopped reading. Instead of "compelled speech" the author should have used "politically correct phrase" or something like that.
 
2:11 AM
@terdon Here's my new Q&A which I think everyone will want but maybe I'm overly optimistic?: How can I display ALL variables I've defined ONLY in this session? You're one of the most experienced guys in the room have you seen a Q&A like this?
Hi @Zanna :)
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix good day o/
 
A question by zanna was cross posted here in chat I was surprised her rep points were 1.
 
I was going to say good evening but I shouldn't assume
 
Well you know I'm in Edmonton so....
 
Hahaha maybe I got suspended and decapitalised too
 
2:17 AM
haha that was my big fear'
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix I didn't review the time zone map, so I'd be guessing. Or you might have gone on holiday
 
naa I stay in the same 10 mile bubble
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix but I very rarely think of questions to ask :( so unlikely to be me
 
Surely even someone as knowledgeable and well-versed as you still has questions from time to time?
 
I have never been to Canada, alas. Maybe one day. One of my best friends is from there, and one of my uncles too
 
2:22 AM
Still part of the common-wealth no visa or anything.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix what I know something about is a drop in the ocean compared to what I don't know, but questions don't tend to occur to me. I'm not good at originating things much, but I am quite good at solving problems, helping to refine ideas of other people and explaining things I understand, I think
@WinEunuuchs2Unix well it's always the money cost and carbon cost. Still haven't visited my brother in Japan after so many years he's been living there :(
 
@Zanna carbon cost eh? Guess I'll make a million reinventing sailing ships. It will take you 3 weeks to get to Canada though.
 
2:38 AM
There's no need to reinvent them as they still have a lively existence I believe :) that's how Greta Thunberg got to the US Congress
I'm hoping for a future of solar powered zeppelins :D
 
So weird I was going to mention wind powered zeppelins
You idolize this Greta person. I don't know anything though.
 
 
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3:49 AM
@Zanna did she get to the US Congress or to the UN general assembly? I think it was the latter.
 
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Q: Wifi adapter not found or recognized on 18.04

Meena DevWi-Fi adapter Intel WM3945ABG. Though this info doesn't even appear in output when lspci -knn | grep Net -A2 is run. I have tried rfkill list all and there is no software or hardware block on Bluetooth but doesn't even mention Wi-Fi. When I press hardware switch airplane mode comes on.

 
4:50 AM
@DKBose I thought it was both
 
 
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7:23 AM
@Zanna I've heard about edit wars over at Wikipedia, but there isn't any mention of her at the US Congress here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg
 
 
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12:19 PM
@DKBose I'm more than prepared to accept that I don't know what I'm talking about :D
 
12:38 PM
@Zanna it's just that if she did address the US Congress, there'd have been quite some coverage, one way or the other but I didn't see any. And I'm quite the news junkie :D
 
 
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1:46 PM
Any idea if a question closed as off-topic but with an accepted answer can be deleted?
 
2:29 PM
@DKBose I can't even delete my own bad questions if there are answers with upvotes attached to it...
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix this isn't about a question I asked or answered. Both the question and answer are by other people.
 
@DKBose #AskAMod
 
2:48 PM
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Q: Parsing Arguments in Bash

Albion ShalaI have a script which basically parses a file. While executing this script i want to set two flags. These are my two cases: I want to set --hello-you as a flag which then takes two mandatory arguments after it: ./script.sh --hello-you <FILE> <PATH> I want -h or --help to provide help manual....

 
@Kulfy Yes mods can do many things. Even merge the good answers from the deleted Q&A into the duplicate question Q&A.
 
@Kulfy what does that mean? Don't mods see posts here? It's nothing urgent.
 
@DKBose I think if you ping a mod directly you'll get better results
I try to keep my mod requests down though. About one a year I think.
 
@DKBose The answer is yes. High-rep users can vote to delete closed questions even when the question and/or its answers have positive score. Usually such questions can even be deleted with three delete votes. If the sum of scores of the question and answers is high enough, more delete votes are required, but the votes can still be cast and enough of them will delete the question.
 
There should be a "generic" ping for mods so no one mod gets "victimised"!
 
2:55 PM
Whether or not we actually should delete the particular question you're thinking of will depend on... what question it is.
@DKBose Well, there's Ask Ubuntu Meta for that. :)
 
@DKBose I mean flag the post for mod intervention explaining the situation and why you think it should be deleted. If it's not deleted after flagging ping a mod. Or rather post on meta and see what the community thinks.
 
@DKBose No. If there's an accepted answer, I don't think it will ever be deleted. The reference for this sort of thing is:
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A: How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?

jjnguyHow can a post be deleted? By a user: The author can typically delete their own posts at will; for exceptions, see When can't I delete my own post? below. To delete a post, just use the delete link below it, on the left (only available from a browser, not the SE/SO app). Moderators can delete ...

 
@EliahKagan yes, but I don't want to mention the question.
 
@EliahKagan bless your soul for having all the right answers :) You too @terdon!
 
> The system will automatically delete closed, unlocked questions with zero or negative score having no positively scored or accepted answers or pending reopen votes, that were closed for any reason other than duplicate nine or more days ago and haven't been edited in the past nine days. (RemoveAbandonedClosed)
(emphasis mine)
 
2:56 PM
Right, but high-rep users can still cast delete votes on them, right?
 
Ah, yes. I thought DK was asking if it would be deleted automatically.
I'm not entirely sure you can cast delete votes on closed Qs with accepted answers.
 
I'm not familiar with 10k or 20k tools as of now but I think the post should have a negative score. Isn't it?
 
To cast delete votes on a question in the first 48 hours after closure, non-moderators (who are not the post owner) must have 20k rep and the question must have a score of -3 or below.
But after that, I don't think there are question-score based restrictions on whether or not delete votes can be cast.
I've often seen questions with positive score answers and--IIRC--accepted answers and the question has delete votes on it. Often these are duplicates that people shouldn't have tried to delete, so som
 
> Users with reputation ≥ 20k (more precisely, the trusted-user privilege; 4k on beta sites) are not subject to the 48-hour waiting period for deleting closed questions with a score of −3 or lower. They may also vote to delete answers of score −1 or lower, including accepted answers (unless they are the owner of that answer). It takes three votes to delete an answer.
@EliahKagan Ah, good point. Yes, there are some users (I affectionately refer to them as the delete brigade) that used to go around casting delete votes on all sorts of things.
 
Thinks to self: Conversation started off good victimizing one mod, then downward spiraled to victimizing three high-rep users - LOL j/k It's actually a good thing a group of high-rep users can perform mod-like functions and lesson burden on small number of mods.
 
3:02 PM
Yikes! I got more than I bargained for. @terdon reading and trying to assimilate the link will make my brain melt.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Well, also, when non-moderators delete a post, the system allows non-moderators to cast undelete votes on it. When a moderator deletes a post (except the Community bot performing automatic deletions) and then the situation changes so it should be undeleted, or if the deletion was mistaken, it becomes necessary to bother mods about it to get it undeleted.
@terdon I think Im part of the delete brigade, if this includes delete votes on NAA posts. :)
However, I am usually quite reluctant to cast delete votes on questions.
 
@EliahKagan No, you're not. These are folks who went around deleting useful duplicates.
 
Oh.
 
@DKBose Ha! Welcome to my world! Where do you think mods get their information from? :)
 
Sometimes a duplicate phrases the question and has a title better than the older post. Some of the duplicate answers can be better than original answers too.
 
3:05 PM
@terdon If this is a severe or increasing problem on AU, IMO it might be good to have a PSA post on meta about it. As I recall, deleting duplicates that have valuable answers goes against the official guidance about how high-rep users are supposed to use delete votes.
 
Now I know why @Rinzwind never volunteers.
 
@EliahKagan It's an old issue, not really relevant anymore.
 
@EliahKagan I too remembering reading about not deleting dupes.
 
Windy did a lot of community work in the old days I think. I've seen contributions back in 2014 or so.
 
Windy?
 
3:06 PM
^^^^ @Rinzwind nickname
 
Rinzwind
 
There is also Boxy nickname and a few others I can't remember this early in morning.
 
"Also, be cautious when deleting questions closed as duplicates; they can serve as a signpost, directing users to useful answers on another question." from askubuntu.com/help/privileges/moderator-tools
 
@terdon Ah, okay. I was worried it was on the rise. I still see it sometimes but not all that often.
 
Huh. Odd, I'd never seen Windy, only Rinzy.
 
3:08 PM
@DKBose Yes, and I very much agree with that, though it's the other part about answers that I was thinking of.
> Before voting to delete, please check whether there are any good answers; if so, then the question should be flagged for moderator attention as a potential merge candidate. We don't like to lose great answers!
 
@terdon Well it could be I got my nicknames mixed up. They were prevalent nightly in 2016/17 when this place was more like a chatroom. Not so much anymore since this is more like a lawyers' lounge. (Not complaining, just observing)
 
@DKBose Anyway, I don't know if you're thinking of something that's a problem or just the case of a question and answers that aren't contributing much... but if there's a problem that needs to be addressed, but for some reason the situation is sensitive such that you're not comfortable talking about it publicly, I don't think any of the moderators would object to a custom moderator attention on the post describing the situation.
That also has the benefit of not roping in any one moderator; any mod can handle such a flag.
 
@EliahKagan very true re. good answers and I'll keep that in mind. Mostly I vote to delete the Kali ones.
 
Kali questions, you mean?
 
@terdon How big is the mod flag queue anyway? Like a mod has to do 10 a day or 10 a month?
 
3:12 PM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Oh, I don't know. I'm not a mod.
 
I changed it...
 
Yes, the Kali ones. No, there's nothing exceptional about the Q&A I came across. The question has some downvotes and was closed as off-topic. The accepted answer has a couple of upvotes. But I noticed there were two delete votes cast. Hence my curiosity.
 
Ah.
Yeah, the delete votes could've come in either before or after the acceptance and upvotes. You can look on the timeline pages for the question and its answers--usually that will give enough information to make it possible to tell what order things happened in.
 
3:15 PM
I even edited the answer a bit before I noticed the delete votes for the question.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix It depends on the day. AU is the most flag-heavy of the three sites I mod and we get a few dozen flags a day. For instance, today, there have been 26 flags handled (since midnight UTC, I think) and 13 flags pending.
 
@terdon and here's me thinking that AU is all peace & tranquility.
 
There have been 173 flags since last Saturday.
 
@DKBose When I see OT-closed questions on Ask Ubuntu that are about Kali Linux but not about Ubuntu, I usually vote to delete them. Often (though not always) even before 48 hours have past. Kali is not going to turn into Ubuntu, so it's not feasible for most of those questions to be improved in a way that would make it reasonable to reopen them.
Sometimes there's some ambiguity, so that it seems like maybe Ubuntu is involved in some way (like dual-boot questions with Kali and Ubuntu, where it doesn't seem to relate to anything in Ubuntu, but the OP might potentially edit it in a way that would change that). In those cases I do wait until at least 48 hours have passed before casting a delete vote.
 
@DKBose Oh wow, no. It is far from being the least calm site, but it certainly isn't the calmest. But yes, I'd say it leans towards the calm side. But we do get drama...
 
3:19 PM
@terdon you're not counting spam flags in that 173?
 
@EliahKagan To clarify the context of what I'm saying about timing: for questions that might be improved, one should usually wait two days to vote to delete them. The help even describes it as, "Questions that have been closed within the past 48 hours cannot be deleted" -- that's how rare the additional 20k deletion powers on questions are expected to be used.
 
@DKBose depends. I am counting the number of flags handled. Spam flags are often not handled by mods since if there are enough, the post is deleted and the flags are dismissed as helpful. So most spam flags are never even seen by mods.
 
@DKBose I don't think post which already got 6 spam flags needs to be handled by mod. And I believe there are very less such instances. Am I right @terdon?
 
Okay, so those 173 are probably not including spam flags if Smokey's vigilant :)
 
yep
 
3:22 PM
@terdon "flags dismissed as helpful" Do we get a badge for x number of helpful flags :))
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Marshal for 500
 
whoo hooo what am I at?
 
@Kulfy Yes. If the post is deleted by multiple spam flags, no mod will see the flags. So I don't think they'll be included in the flag stats we (mods) have. Those just show how many flags were handled and by which mod.
 
And that's a gold one.
 
happy dance
 
3:24 PM
It would be nice to get a gold badge for every 500 helpful flags :)
 
@terdon So I guess if I flag a post and somehow the post is deleted, you won't be able to see those flags?
 
@Kulfy Exactly. I will only see the flag if I happen to visit the post. We get a little icon telling us that a post has been flagged and that remains even after the flag has been handled. So I could still investigate, but the original flag wouldn't have gone into the flag queue that mod see.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Citizen Patrol (Bronze, for first flag), Deputy (Silver, for 80 helpful flags) and Marshal (Gold, 500 helpful flags)
 
But custom mod flags (on posts, not comments) are always still in the mod queue after a post has been deleted, right?
 
@DKBose Then Eliah would have 27 gold badges.
 
3:27 PM
:)
 
@terdon Ah!!! I remember you told me this when I pinged you regarding one of the flag I raised.
 
:)
 
Aug 4 at 12:38, by terdon
@Kulfy Yes, but that's for flags we've actually handled. If you flag a post and it's then deleted, the flag disappears and I would have no way of knowing it existed unless I visited the deleted post.
 
There you go. At least I'm consistent! :)
 
3:31 PM
Hey I got 347 helpful flags :) I gonna go find some of your guys's comments and flag them as "too chatty" :P
 
@DKBose Greta Thunberg did address US Congress. It was widely covered in the US media, including CNN, WaPo, and numerous other outlets. (cc @Zanna)
I am not entirely sure why it is not currently mentioned in the main Wikipedia article on Greta Thunberg. But the reason might simply be that it is instead covered in the "List of Greta Thunberg speeches" article to which that article links.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix I'm not sure if chat flags get counted.
 
I dunno, a flag is a flag to me
 
The helpful flags count on our profiles does include chat flags comment flags, which I wrongly thought/think you were talking about.
 
3:32 PM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix But you're welcome to join ROLD to get that badge faster.
 
no I don't meant chatroom flags!
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix ?
Oh!
Also I am wrong.
I mean.
I badly misread your question!
 
On the mainboard I'm gonna troll you guys comment section under Q&A's and flag ya to death!
but I was j/k
 
Sorry about that. For some reason I thought you were asking about comment flags, even though "comment" and "chat" are not the same word.
Oh, wait.
 
Probably cause of the context of where we are sitting right now... understandable I think
 
3:34 PM
I should stop editing that message with strikethoughs. They're probably not helping. :)
 
<s>Srike Out</s>
how do you strikethrough?
 
Three hyphens on each side.
So anyway, you had asked about comment flags, I believe. Those are included in the counts on our profiles.
I meant to say that but wrongly said chat flags instead.
 
<--->Three hyphens</--->
 
@EliahKagan noted re. Thunberg. I totally missed that.
 
Three Hyphens
 
3:36 PM
@EliahKagan Then I wrongly assumed that I had made a different mistake from the mistake I had made, and thought you had asked about chat flags. :)
 
YEAH :)
Thank you Terdon I mean Eliah
haha I feel like a kid in an HTML playground now :P
 
I have 1429 helpful flags :)
 
Can you transfer me some... about 150?
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix if I could, I would :D
But I can't, so I shan't!
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Or a Markdown playground :)
Your original <s>text</s> was correct HTML, it's just not usable here in chat. In chat we have to use ---text---.
Every different kind of content on SE seems to use a slightly different dialect of Markdown. I find it very confusing.
 
3:47 PM
There is also an option for --no-pango in yad. Is that a derivative?
 
Derivative?
 
Not important as I don't use html or markdown or pango. I just wondered if the latter was related to the first two.
 
4:06 PM
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No the _ works like a *
 
@terdon Is that a Unicode thing?
 
yo someone called? :=)
@WinEunuuchs2Unix did I? :-D
@DKBose that's due to me once being a mod on a gaming platform. Had the highest ranking there but got reallllllllllllly fed up with the bitching
 
@Rinzwind Sorry to hear that!
 
4:22 PM
@terdon well Wimdy would be more accurate >:)
@DKBose like... 200 mails a day with things like "hey a$$hole". i had filters autodeleting mails that contained cursewords and was told I could not do that _O-
 
@Rinzwind but at least they used dollar signs!
 
no I did that :=)
 
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Q: How to add a path to an existing path using bash?

jsloopI have a path /home/user/env/ that I want to add to .profile. So if I do echo "export PATH=/home/user/env/:$PATH" >> /home/user/.profile The $PATH is getting expanded. How to add path properly?

 
@EliahKagan yeah, I was just screwing around :P
 
4:37 PM
I'm thinking of a bash script that takes highlighted text on the screen, invokes cut command, prepends funny characters, appends funny characters, invokes paste command so that "Some Text" becomes Some Text or Some Text depending on formatting option chosen. It's too hard to remember all the funny characters :(
 
20 secs ago, by Eliah Kagan
This could make my r̲e̲c̲u̲r̲s̲i̲v̲e̲ ̲o̲n̲e̲b̲o̲x̲e̲s̲ even better.
 
For example, does anyone remember the funny characters for that Feature-Request-Tag thingy?
 
@EliahKagan ha!
 
This post looks like long-lived spam. The first link is to the same site given in the post author's profile. At minimum it fails to disclose the author's affiliation.
 
@EliahKagan I voted to delete.
 
5:13 PM
I voted to close question.
Why do I care how much money the guy pays on server software in this open source world?
 
Please remember to leave a comment explaining what a user did wrong when deleting. Otherwise, the user will have no way of learning.
 
5:33 PM
@DKBose Congrats on 10 upvtoes for your for loop question. I never imagined it would gain so much attention.
Although it's no longer a question about for loop, it is how it started life...
@terdon But if user is less than <10k can they view deleted questions?
 
You can always see your deleted posts.
 
Wasn't sure... I haven't had many deleted posts and I've been over 10K for so long...
...haha not as long as Trendy or Windy of course :P
 
Although all users can view their own deleted questions (and deleted answers on non-deleted questions), the current behavior of the system is that only 10k users can display and search through all their deleted posts. Regardless of rep, users can view any deleted post they own if they have a link to the post, and there is also a list of recently deleted posts visible to all users on their profile page.
 
OK so from now on I'll try to leave a comment "I'm voting to delete this because ____"
 
Trendy? Trendy? TRENDY!!!?
 
5:46 PM
hehe thought you would like a "trendy" nickname :P
 
Who you calling fashionable? Say that again. Say it to my face!
:P
 
Actually your answers to have a certain flair to them now that you mention it...
 
Even better, say it to my girlfriend, she'll be laughing herself to sleep all week!
 
The only thing I tell your girlfriend is to put a lock on your power button so she can see you more often
 
Ha! She would not object to that, fair enough.
 
5:50 PM
Tell her to come to the computer and put a star next to my comment :D
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Good call -- the question does qualify as OT or POB.
 
@EliahKagan Umm... POB? sorry I'm a little acronym challenged this morning.
oh nm
Primarily Opinion Based - which I picked :D
 
@EliahKagan thanks! I was slightly worrying about that and vaguely planning to investigate
 
6:42 PM
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Q: It's time for me to go

SethI’ve been honored to serve as a moderator here on Ask Ubuntu for almost six years now, but I’m sorry to announce that I will be resigning that position effective immediately. I’ve lost trust with Stack Exchange Inc. to the point that I feel I can no longer associate myself with the company. Rea...

 
7:28 PM
@Seth It's so sad to see you go. You've helped me many times over the years. I'm sorry you got drowned in all the SE issues they've brought upon themselves.
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@Seth sorry to see you go. Do take good care of your health :-)
 
 
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9:59 PM
Thanks, both of you :)
 

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