Ask Ubuntu General Room

Zacharee1

12:01 AM

@NathanOsman is this Android stuff for NitroShare?

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 Yes.

You can haz invite if you want to test. But you will need two devices.

Zacharee1

I haz 4 devices

mostly

idk where one of them is

oh wait, I have 5, but idk where two of them are

or is it 6 and 3....

Kaz Wolfe

I have like 40 devices to test things on.

so...

yeah.

Zacharee1

showoff

Kaz Wolfe

telco company lel

Zacharee1

12:12 AM

pls

wat telco

Kaz Wolfe

well, more like SMS delivery company but we do telco work (namely, carrier relation stuff and garbage).

Zacharee1

moving to CA brb

Kaz Wolfe

we only sent a billion texts last year.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

moving to California deserves more than a "be right back"...haha

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe "only"

wait, are you iMessage

Kaz Wolfe

12:15 AM

@Zacharee1 No. Why the hell would I work for Apple?

Zacharee1

does Apple use its own centers for iMessage?

Kaz Wolfe

iMessage isn't sms.

Serg

Well, new monitor looks nice, but looks like my Ubuntu can only go up to 1024x768. I'll have to work on it

Kaz Wolfe

It's a custom messaging protocol similar to how Hangouts or Whatsapp works.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Serg Sounds like a job for Super XRandR man

Kaz Wolfe

12:17 AM

so pretty much yes, @Zacharee1

Zacharee1

hm

Kaz Wolfe

here, my current project. sorry for the boxes everywhere lol

cc @Zacharee1

Zacharee1

you don't seem to be following your security tip

Kaz Wolfe

meh.

PEPPER BRUSH

Zacharee1

wat

Kaz Wolfe

12:30 AM

gimp pepper brush

Zacharee1

wat..

Serg

Welp, the new monitor looks good

Zacharee1

I don't care what your political affiliations are, that picture's funny ^^

Android Dev

Good grief, Android Studio loads crazy fast on an SSD, happy am I :)

Zacharee1

@AndroidDev can you buy me a 1TB SSD?

Serg

12:35 AM

@Zacharee1 When's your birthday ?

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman do you work on NS on multiple computers?

@Serg a while

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 They're getting cheaper and cheaper nowadays:

amazon.com/Toshiba-OCZ-Trion-Internal-TRN150-25SA3-960G/dp/…

Zacharee1

"cheap" he says

Android Dev

But I got an 850 Pro because it's MLC

Zacharee1

my TV cost $100 more than that

Android Dev

12:36 AM

I don't trust TLC

Serg

Compared to 150 Mb hard drives that were 3000 $ in the past, that is cheap

Zacharee1

yes but compared to my budget, it is not

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Well, when you consider that just a few years ago a 1 TB SSD was over $500...

Zacharee1

guess I'll just have to wait another few years

Serg

@Zacharee1 Well,I do understand you in that department. That SSD would be half of my paycheck

Zacharee1

12:38 AM

it would be an infinite number of mine

Serg

Also, replaced VGA cable, so no moar dark lines spreading accross indicator menus from chrome windows

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Yeah, I'm still content with HDDs for nearly eveyrthing. The $/GB is not even in the same league.

Zacharee1

I can get a 6TB 3.5" HDD for that same price so yeah

I think I do need to buy a bigger SSD though

Serg

I wonder how would Deepin look on this monitor

Zacharee1

160GB is just not enough for two Windows installs

Android Dev

12:39 AM

@Zacharee1 How about 8TB: amazon.com/Seagate-Archive-6GBps-128MB-ST8000AS0002/dp/…

Kaz Wolfe

hey @Zacharee1, if you want to move out here, we're hiring. (cc @NathanOsman)

Software engineering.

Zacharee1

ooh

Kaz Wolfe

We're looking for PHP developers.

Zacharee1

ew no

Serg

has no php experience or money to move

Kaz Wolfe

12:43 AM

well you get to play with lots of android phones.

Zacharee1

but PHP?

Kaz Wolfe

ye.

Zacharee1

nop

Kaz Wolfe

also angularjs

and i think maybe java

senior java tho

Zacharee1

lol

Serg

12:45 AM

question: so can i make one hdmi output on my laptop act like two monitors ?

Zacharee1

perfect for me

@Serg no

HDMI is like a proprietary, limited DisplayPort

Serg

@Zacharee1 so no way of having dual monitors over HDMI ?

Zacharee1

nop

Serg

feck

Zacharee1

> HTC = Help This Company

basically

Kaz Wolfe

12:48 AM

LG = Lame GSM

OP3 = Objective Perfection 3

Zacharee1

it's not objectively perfect tho

no SD card

the U Ultra, on the other hand, is an objectively bad phone for the price

Serg

Well, being a happy OP2 owner, I'll subscribe to Kaz's claim as well

Zacharee1

I'm a happy V20 owner

does that mean it's objectively perfect?

Kaz Wolfe

No. It bootloops.

And has IR.

Zacharee1

the V20 doesn't bootloop

the V10 does

@KazWolfe the OP3 has no IR. That's subjective

Kaz Wolfe

12:53 AM

reddit.com/r/lgv20/comments/5gmfz3/tmobile_v20_bootloop

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe that's one report by someone who was recording UHD for 30 minutes at a time, and who spends most of their time bashing the V20

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 Does that make it any less valid?

Zacharee1

it certainly casts doubt on it

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe just what I wanted - to witness device fragmentation firsthand.

:P

Zacharee1

one report out of billions of units

Nathan Osman

12:56 AM

Also, no thanks on the PHP stuffs.

I haz principles.

@Zacharee1 Mostly my desktop but out of necessity, I sometimes use my Mac and some VMs and whatnot.

Kaz Wolfe

reddit.com/r/Android/comments/5iy44x/…

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/4pu2i8/…

reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/57pes1/…

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 User fault, modding device.

@Zacharee1 Rooted phone.

@Zacharee1 Linked by a V20 fanatic who casts any other phone as terrible -- that causes doubt.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe tell me when I called every other phone terrible

OP3 is a great phone

it's not objectively perfect

Kaz Wolfe

...

how to trigger zacharee: make a joke saying the oneplus is perfect

Zacharee1

1:00 AM

how to trigger zacharee: slander him

Nathan Osman

OnePlus is perfect.

Waits expectantly...

Kaz Wolfe

(or slander the v20)

(or t-mobile)

Serg

How to trigger Serg: say we've no coffee left

Kaz Wolfe

(or our Lord and Savior Donald J. Trump)

Nathan Osman

You can trigger me with a three-letter acronym. It's also a palindrome.

Zacharee1

1:01 AM

@KazWolfe every single time I say something about the V20, you seem to have to mention the OP3

actually, any time I mention a phone..

@NathanOsman lol

Nathan Osman

(No, it's not "GPG" but good guess.)

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg We've coffee left, but it's fancy espresso that's $14/cup

@Zacharee1 Not true. I also hate the iPhone.

Nathan Osman

It's Keurig.

Serg

@KazWolfe O.o you . . . monsters . . .

Nathan Osman

Y'know, the folks we love because they don't use DRM on their coffee co— oh wait. They do.

Zacharee1

1:02 AM

The State of 4K: 2017! (in 8K)

►

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg *sips coffee* Put it on the solid gold credit card, please, butler.

Zacharee1

o_O

Nathan Osman

Wat.

@Zacharee1 Are we gonna do that thing where 4K != 4K again with 8K or can we get everyone to agree on a resolution this time?

Zacharee1

no

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman We are going to do that.

Nathan Osman

1:03 AM

ಠ_ಠ

Serg

@KazWolfe manytricks.com/butler

Nathan Osman

BUT Y THO?

Kaz Wolfe

BECAUSE $$$

and because 4k sounds cooler and more professional, meaning we can sell it.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe How is there $$$ in confusing people. Stops to think for a moment. Remembers Apple. Carry on.

Zacharee1

lol

Nathan Osman

1:05 AM

You can get an adapter for 3.5mm headphones.

Five hours later...

No you need a separate adapter to charge at the same time.

Kaz Wolfe

4k is a professional cinematography term for real 4k video made by good things. But we can make UHD and call it 4k because they're more or less the same.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Nathan Osman

Gah.

HD was the "good old days". HD always meant 1080p. Except when it didn't. Thanks, 1080i and 720p.

Serg

This new monitor looks pretty good. Not as tall as the other one, but it's wider.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman Or, you can buy our wireless headphones for $160!

Nathan Osman

True.

Kaz Wolfe

1:06 AM

okay, here's a perfect example of apple screwing their customers.

They ship their iPhones with USB-A to Lightning cords.

Their new Macs use USB-C.

Serg

My goal is to have tripple monitor one day. Maybe eventually that will happen

Nathan Osman

#YouMightBeAGeekIf you can remember the exact resolution of UHD without looking it up.

Tweeted by george_the_dev on March 22, 2017 at 1:07 AM

Kaz Wolfe

If you want to charge your iPhone off of your Mac, you need to buy a USB-C to USB-A adapter for $20 from Apple, or a USB-C to Lightning cable for $20.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe And how can I connect headphones at the same time? :P

Kaz Wolfe

I'm honestly surprised Apple USB-C doesn't have some DRM that only allows Apple computers to charge from Apple bricks over Apple cables.

Nathan Osman

1:08 AM

@KazWolfe They couldn't have called it USB-C if it was proprietary.

USB is governed by a consortium.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman no, but DRM for USB-C is in the spec.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe For data, yes.

Serg

@KazWolfe USB is controlled by USB foundation or something

Kaz Wolfe

No, for power, too, I think.

Serg

They make up the rules

Nathan Osman

1:09 AM

@KazWolfe WAT.

Kaz Wolfe

Because you need to transmit data for negotiation of high-power.

Nathan Osman

Okay, I must find this out.

Kaz Wolfe

So, in order to protect devices, there must be cryptographic validation through the data verifying everything is legit in order to deliver full power.

Nathan Osman

> "support for authenticating over either USB data bus or USB power delivery communications channels"

Wat wat wat wat wat.

Who let this stupidity into our beloved standard?

Kaz Wolfe

pcworld.com/article/3055443/hardware/…

@NathanOsman Just saying, Apple is in the USB consortium.

Why do you think USB-C looks very much like the Lightning cable?

Nathan Osman

1:11 AM

@KazWolfe Yes but so is Google.

Kaz Wolfe

(on that note, I would have much preferred that USB-C was the lightning cable, and lightning was USB-C. Because the Lightning cable is much more robust.

Zacharee1

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman nxp.com/products/identification-and-security/…

See? Like I said, I'm surprised Apple didn't lock down so that you can only use Apple Bricks and Apple Cables to charge Apple devices.

The ability to is very very much in spec.

Nathan Osman

Yikes.

I don't like where this is going.

Zacharee1

hue

Kaz Wolfe

1:13 AM

OnePlus is actually already doing this with the OP3.

If you want to use their high-speed charging, you need to use an OP cable and brick.

Zacharee1

I'm mad that Google isn't giving tablets Assistant

Kaz Wolfe

(which is very annoying. Stupid oneplus)

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe Is it using DRM?

@KazWolfe How is it stupid?

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman You only get dash charge if you buy a oneplus charger + cable.

Zacharee1

no QC3.0

Nathan Osman

1:15 AM

@KazWolfe I know that.

But there's a good reason for that.

Zacharee1

you're stuck with the stock charger if you want fast charging

Nathan Osman

That's because they've moved the charging circuitry into the charger itself.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman They moved the heat management to the charger itself.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe Anyway, what I'm saying is that the difference is physical.

Kaz Wolfe

And is enforced by DRM.

Nathan Osman

1:16 AM

So normal chargers can't perform dash charge.

Zacharee1

but don't you not have QC3.0 compatibility?

Kaz Wolfe

Actually, they can deliver the higher current, iirc.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe It's also patented.

Kaz Wolfe

The system just disallows it.

@Zacharee1 Right. OP uses Dash, not QC3.

androidcentral.com/…

Nathan Osman

Dash is faster though.

Zacharee1

1:17 AM

they could've built QC3.0 in though

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 But then you could buy cables from other people.

There's no money in that.

Zacharee1

oh right

I guess they lose so much in the pricing

why does the G6 only have GG3 on the front, but GG5 on the back?

wat iz this

Kaz Wolfe

oh yeah, oneplus is getting ready to sell that pure-black phone.

Zacharee1

Colette?

Kaz Wolfe

yep.

Zacharee1

1:20 AM

how much are those going for?

Kaz Wolfe

same i think

Zacharee1

really

Kaz Wolfe

they already had their limited-edition sale for the colette-branded ones iirc.

but there is a countdown on their site for something.

Zacharee1

wow that website is laggy

@KazWolfe open the console on their website

Kaz Wolfe

i honestly don't like when companies do this partnering stuff.

@Zacharee1 yes?

Zacharee1

1:22 AM

you don't see it?

Kaz Wolfe

the bug/careers thing?

Zacharee1

yeah

as cool as that ripple thing is, it has a very obvious seam and it's laggy as hell

OnePlus isn't selling the 3 anymore?

> SUCCESS: The process "chrome.exe" with PID 18780 has been terminated.
SUCCESS: The process "chrome.exe" with PID 10772 has been terminated.
SUCCESS: The process "chrome.exe" with PID 19572 has been terminated.
SUCCESS: The process "chrome.exe" with PID 5748 has been terminated.
SUCCESS: The process "chrome.exe" with PID 19384 has been terminated.
SUCCESS: The process "chrome.exe" with PID 11992 has been terminated.
SUCCESS: The process "chrome.exe" with PID 21320 has been terminated.
SUCCESS: The process "chrome.exe" with PID 940 has been terminated.

wtf

I have 5 tabs open

Kaz Wolfe

Zacharee1

so blurry

Kaz Wolfe

Zacharee1

1:28 AM

my eyes

Kaz Wolfe

#ConpanyPerks

Zacharee1

conpany, huh?

Kaz Wolfe

Phone.

Stfu.

Zacharee1

stfU

Kaz Wolfe

seriously.

we have two of these tubs with bacon.

cc @NathanOsman --^

Nathan Osman

1:31 AM

Drools...

Zacharee1

someone left a one-star review on my mod installer app saying it hard bricked their V20

they posted the review from a V20

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 repalcement v20

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe well they said plshelp at the end

Kaz Wolfe

wait, you can see what device leaves what review?

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe You can see all kinds of stuff.

Zacharee1

1:32 AM

yep

creepy stuff

Kaz Wolfe

huh. all i see right now is a plate full of indian food.

Nathan Osman

Still only three people using my app :(

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman hue

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 Every time you say "hue," a v20 owner buys an iPhone.

5

Zacharee1

their loss

Kaz Wolfe

1:33 AM

plot twist: it's just one guy who keeps buying iphones for no reason

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe you mean like everyone who buys iPhones?

Kaz Wolfe

no. i mean they just have a collection for no reason.

they don't even use it, they're staying on their v20

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe TechRax?

sounds like TechRax

Kaz Wolfe

maybe

Zacharee1

but that review

I replied, checked back a few hours later, review was changed to 5 star

Nathan Osman

1:35 AM

What the... they named the device "elsa"?

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman LG did.

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman yup

Nathan Osman

Le facepalm.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@NathanOsman To tell you the truth I don't use wifi on my phone... only cell network for installing play store and android updates. I always use USB for charging and the same cable once or twice a month for transferring files. I can see NitroShare becoming popular for people that use wifi on their smartphones though :)

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman Well it makes sense.

You can just let it [the old battery] go.

Zacharee1

1:36 AM

@NathanOsman wasn't the Pixel like Narwhal or something?

or Marlin

although I think OnePlus One wins it with bacon

Kaz Wolfe

sailfish and marlin.

Nathan Osman

@WinEunuuchs2Unix NitroShare is faster than USB transfers in a number of cases though.

Zacharee1

ONEPLUS BACON

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 But those are fish.

Kaz Wolfe

Google keeps the Finding Nemo theme.

Zacharee1

1:36 AM

@NathanOsman even over my 802.11b?

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 Yup. It's faster than USB 1.0... I think...

Zacharee1

lol

Kaz Wolfe

it beats 9600 baud

Zacharee1

who uses USB 1.0 anymore?

USB 1.1 scrub

Kaz Wolfe

printers.

Nathan Osman

1:38 AM

Mice don't need high bandwidth.

Keyboards either.

Kaz Wolfe

"USB 1.0 specified a data rate of 1.5 Mbit/s"

Nathan Osman

What is wireless B again?

Journeyman Geek

lol

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman 11Mb

Nathan Osman

There you go...

NitroShare wins again.

Zacharee1

1:38 AM

you never said its matching USB standard

Nathan Osman

>:D

Kaz Wolfe

> Few USB devices made it to the market until USB 1.1 was released in August 1998, which introduced the speed of 12 Mbit/s (fast speed).

Zacharee1

you said USB overall

Journeyman Geek

802.11A!!!!!

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman rip ^^^

Journeyman Geek

1:39 AM

ironically a lot of older laptops did 5ghz before it was cool.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@NathanOsman Perhaps, but I just use Nautilus to browse the phone... find the directory and paste the stuff... getting up to configure the phone to turn on wifi would eat up the time saved. Besides phone is plugged in 12 hours a night and I don't really care how long paste in the background takes.... ie 89 seconds instead of 66 seconds is a mute point. But like I said people who do use WiFi will love NitroShare.

Nathan Osman

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Ah, good point. Yeah, it wouldn't benefit your case much.

@Zacharee1 RIP = really incredible product?

Kaz Wolfe

> Intel's Thunderbolt 3 controller (codenamed Alpine Ridge) doubles the bandwidth to 40 Gbit/s (5 GB/s),

get rekt, nitroshare

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe A speed achieved by no real-world device ever.

@KazWolfe Wait until Wireless AC's successor comes out.

Kaz Wolfe

> The new 802.11ad standard offers 7 Gbps of throughput

Nathan Osman

1:43 AM

> "Now the Wi-Fi Alliance is set to release an 802.11ad specification in early 2014..."

Innovation is slow.

Kaz Wolfe

802.11ad is pretty useless though

it's even worse than AC at going through walls.

Nathan Osman

Its theoretical maximum is useless. That's for sure.

I can get as high as 30 MB/s with my AC router under ideal conditions.

Kaz Wolfe

meanwhile over at google... 40 GBps to each rack.

Nathan Osman

Never mind.

Kaz Wolfe

friendly reminder that tapes are still used in some cases for backups

Nathan Osman

1:50 AM

Yup.

Nathan Osman

2:05 AM

How does my VM in EC2 get its time out of sync by 2 minutes???

TheXed

2:40 AM

Hello.

@NathanOsman I think it is a software bug that MS refuses to fix.... all my servers at work are 2-3 mins out of sync...

Nathan Osman

I have it set to sync with the time server...

Oh well. It is what it is.

TheXed

@NathanOsman me too...

(ignore the fact that I haven't taken time to activate Windows 7)

Zacharee1

Wtf

T-Mobile V20 is $480

Serg

@TheXed looking good

TheXed

2:55 AM

@Serg see the time difference?

Serg

yeah.

TheXed

@Serg was just showing @NathanOsman, because he was wondering how Windows Server gets out of sync...

@Serg I was just saying I think it is a bug that MS refuses to fix...

Serg

Nah, it's probably the fact that Windows doesn't handle being VM well

Nathan Osman

I've got Win2012 in VirtualBox, so we'll see if that makes a difference.

TheXed

No...the server is not virtualized..I was connected to it via VPN...

Serg

2:58 AM

Oh . . . hmmm

TheXed

Windows 7 is virtualized, and the time is correct on it.

@Serg anyways, I was gifted the greatest gift ever today...

Serg

Wonder what that is . . .

Nathan Osman

@TheXed Bacon?

Serg

Another PC ?

TheXed

None of the above...

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