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5:00 PM

@terdon well Ubuntu is very good. It's got a limited program base, but so does macOS. And I can see why Windows 7 is so high up, because it really is a good OS: fast, pretty stable, good app ecosystem...

terdon

And it comes with a perfectly good and POSIX-compliant UNIX shell. Taht's pretty damn good. Hell, the first versions of OSX were actually 100% POSIX and counted as UNIX.

@Zacharee1 OSX is faster, more stable and has a better ecosystem in many ways than Windows.

Zacharee1

better ecosystem?

how?

terdon

I don't understand why anyone would use Windows to develop, but OSX, sure.

@Zacharee1 Very, very good software for most things. Just not the ones used on Windows.

Zacharee1

hmm

but macOS being faster? from my experience, I don't agree at all.

Windows and Linux in bootcamp run great on Macs, and about twice as fast as macOS

Mark Yisri

@Zacharee1 agreed, before you upgrade the RAM

after that it's smooth

terdon

5:02 PM

I've always found it to be very fast. And almost never crashes. Neither of which is true in Windows in my (admittedly out of date) experience.

Zacharee1

you can't upgrade the RAM in the latest Mac

Videonauth

@terdon so, he gets convicted for writing a software, he gets jailed for the wrongdoing of others using said software

terdon

@Zacharee1 Not macOS! OSX, a very, very different beast.

Zacharee1

@terdon I've had tons of crashes in macOS. My mom uses a 2013 iMac, and it's slower than Windows ME.

Videonauth

now think of it on the long run will do to MIT and so on licences

terdon

5:03 PM

@Videonauth Well, he wrote a keylogger and sold it. Seems fair.

Zacharee1

@terdon macOS is the new brand for OS X

Mark Yisri

@Zacharee1 oh yeah, I forgot that. I use a 2011 mac mini

terdon

@Zacharee1 Oh? OK.

Zacharee1

@terdon macOS == OS X != Mac OS

terdon

Gotcha

Zacharee1

5:04 PM

cause Apple

Videonauth

well lets say you wrote a portscanner for good reasons, put it on github and someone found an evil use for it, you get filed too because you initially wrote it?

edwinksl

mind that space

Zacharee1

@edwinksl and capital M

terdon

Anyway, I'm no apple fanboi, I really dislike the restrictions. However, if I were to be forced to use a non-Linux machine, I'd go for OSX or macOS or whatever, without a second thought.

@Videonauth What's a good reason to write a keylogger and sell it?

Mark Yisri

@edwinksl @Zacharee1 it was a big mistake to rename it macOS since there already was a Mac OS

Zacharee1

5:05 PM

@terdon I just can't get behind macOS. Yeah, it's polished, but I've noticed that, like with iOS, that polish tends to wear off rather quickly.

@MarkYisri the justification was that no one even knows what Mac OS is anymore

terdon

Don't care too much about the polish. I like what's under the hood.

I like that I have a working terminal with the basic tools I need out of the box.

Zacharee1

@terdon well once the polish wears off, I'm always left with a laggy, glitchy, crashy experience.

Mark Yisri

@Zacharee1 I do

terdon

If a system doesn't ship with sed, awk etc, I can't use it.

Zacharee1

and Windows 10 has BASH, so that could take care of my terminal needs

terdon

5:07 PM

Yeah. . . I guess. I just really, really dislike everything about Windows. The whole mentality of the Windows world rubs me the wrong way. I don't like the look of it, the feel of it, the horrible complication of it. Nothing.

Zacharee1

people say newer iOS devices are acting better on later iOS versions, and maybe that's true (my last iDevice was the iPad 3), but it's not translating to Mac

@terdon I might like Aero too much :p

terdon

Ugh, that's that horrible 3d eye candy thing, right?

Zacharee1

you literally cannot find it anywhere else

@terdon Aero Glass is 3D effects: blur, glass (duh), color

Think Windows Vista-7

terdon

shudders

I really don't like that. I find it clunky. I like minimalist design.

Zacharee1

terdon

5:09 PM

I had turned on various effects back when combiz (beryl) first came out. I ended up removing all of them, they were too distracting.

Zacharee1

I especially like it when a window has a tall titlebar, so there's this huge glass area

terdon

@Zacharee1 Heh, that's precisely what I dislike :) There's no accounting for taste.

Zacharee1

wat

Videonauth

@terdon well still , this court ruling makes it a precedence case, it s not about the keylogger anymore, it is if you write software, and someone by whatever means finds a malicious use for it youre in the net too because you wrote it

Zacharee1

Aero is just such a unified and peaceful design

idk what's going on in Windows 10

the taskbar isn't blurred but the start menu is

window bars are opaque

can every OS just use Material Design and be done with it?

terdon

5:11 PM

@Videonauth Well, maybe we'll get lucky and they start prosecuting gun manufacturers if they allow their guns to be sold with no checks and they're used to do what they're designed for and kill someone.

Zacharee1

possibly a little itty bitty teensy weensy bit broad askubuntu.com/questions/871917/…

terdon

Closed

Videonauth

@terdon yeah but thats not cyber ....

:p

Madara Uchiha

Hey fellas, I need some halp

Zacharee1

with wat

Madara Uchiha

5:13 PM

I'm trying to install ubuntu gnome on my laptop

terdon

I'm not too bothered here. If it's a program that could, conceivably, have harmless uses, then yes, you can't prosecute the author for what the users do. If, however, you write something whose explicit and only purpose is to steal information from another machine and "actively modify and market it" then you deserve what you get IMO.

Zacharee1

@MadaraUchiha don't let @NathanOsman see you saying that :p

Madara Uchiha

But with both the installer and the "try ubuntu gnome" option, it gets frozen in the spinning logo stage

Zacharee1

@terdon what if you get rich?

@MadaraUchiha NVIDIA?

Madara Uchiha

Yup

Zacharee1

5:14 PM

hang on

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A: Graphics issues after/while installing Ubuntu 16.04/16.10 with NVIDIA graphics

Please be aware that this answer is slightly outdated. nvidia-364 is no longer the current driver. If it doesn't work for you, try other versions. The latest version as of this update is 370. Each of the issues described (and maybe even more) can be fixed by following the steps below. First mak...

terdon

Is that the nomodeset?

Zacharee1

nouveau.modeset=0 yes

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 dv time

terdon

Doesn't the simple nomodeset work anymore these days?

Zacharee1

@MadaraUchiha but use nvidia-375 after installing

@terdon I don't know, but I know that nouveau.modeset=0 definitely works, so I recommend that

terdon

5:16 PM

Fair enough

I know I used to sort of blindly add nomodeset, acpi=off, noapic whenever I had any issue. That can't be a good solution though.

Zacharee1

lol

well whenever I have a permissions error for my MC servers, I just chmod -R 777

terdon

EEEeeeeeeeeeeeeek!

:)

0

Q: Extended partition lost and computer booting to the grub rescue

I will start from the beginning. My laptop had 3 OS: windwos on the primary partition and linux mint and kali linux on the extended partition. I encountered some problem in windows and had to go to safe boot. Using recovery boot drive, i messed up by choosing automatic startup repairs. After res...

And yet, not one of the three is actually on topic here!

cl-netbox

@terdon nouveau.modeset=0 is what you need to disable the open source nouveau drivers ... no need to disable more ... :)

Zacharee1

@terdon lolz

why can't NVIDIA just open source its drivers?

same for AMD

we might actually get some 16.04 drivers for AMD then

terdon

@cl-netbox I haven't had to deal with this sort of thing in many, many years. Wasn't always just a graphics issue. I don't think (though I don't really know) that the noapic and acpi=off have anything to do with the graphics driver.

Madara Uchiha

5:21 PM

I can't access the ttyl

Even after following the second part

cl-netbox

@terdon when you get your new machine you might need nouveau.modeset=0 to install the proprietary NVIDIA drivers ... it just works fine ! :)

Madara Uchiha

CTRL ALT F1 does nothing

Zacharee1

@MadaraUchiha if you're installing, read the third section

terdon

@MadaraUchiha You need to edit the grub command, when it first loads. Press e and add the option @Zacharee1 gave you to the line starting with linux.

Madara Uchiha

I did

Still not accessible

That line ends with 3 dashes, add it before or after them?

Zacharee1

5:24 PM

you pressed F10 to boot?

terdon

Sounds like a good time to post a question on the site explaining the whole situation.

Madara Uchiha

I did

cl-netbox

@MadaraUchiha But ... please put a space between the last character and the boot option you are adding ! :)

Zacharee1

nouveau.modeset=0 should go at the very end of the line, but that line usually breaks into two. Make sure you're actually at the end and not just the middle.

Madara Uchiha

That could be... Let me try again

Doug Smythies

5:25 PM

@terdon : I noticed you stopped by an ongoing chat I have going with someone (moved there several days ago from a question). I have observed a few moderators coming and going over the duration of the chat. Is there a concern or anything I should be worried about?

terdon

Take a photograph and post it here, if you can, so we can see exactly what you've done

cl-netbox

@MadaraUchiha Don't forget the space ... :)

terdon

@DougSmythies link?

Madara Uchiha

It's not my first rodeo, I know how Linux commands work... More or less

Zacharee1

@MadaraUchiha does anyone truly know how Linux commands work? :p

I sure don't

Doug Smythies

5:27 PM

@terdon : chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/51426/…

terdon

@DougSmythies Yeah, I found that. I don't remember ever being in there before. If I did, I just probably found it randomly by coming across the question. Nothing "modly" as far as I know, no.

Doug Smythies

@terdon : O.K. thanks.

terdon

Mods are users too, not everything we do has some dark reason behind it.

:)

Madara Uchiha

Yeah, I just tried again... Still no ttyl

Ugh

terdon

@MadaraUchiha what tty? Are you editing the grub screen? There's no tty at that point.

Doug Smythies

5:29 PM

@terdon : I just thought I'd ask. Better safe than sorry.

Zacharee1

you should be able to just load into Ubuntu's installer

terdon

Also, if you've reached the point where a tty should be available and Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesn't do anything, you're probably already on tty1. Try Ctrl+Alt+F2 or 3 or 4 or whatever.

Madara Uchiha

I edit the grub screen, boot, then try ctrl alt f1 during the spinning logo thing

terdon

@DougSmythies Sure, no problem.

Zacharee1

@MadaraUchiha don't

terdon

5:30 PM

@MadaraUchiha OK, try one of the others.

just let it boot

Or that, yeah

I tried those too

you won't need a TTY until you actually install

Madara Uchiha

@Zacharee1 but that's when it freezes

Zacharee1

5:30 PM

@MadaraUchiha still?

Madara Uchiha

It won't even enter the installer

Zacharee1

even with the modeset it freezes?

Madara Uchiha

Yeah

Zacharee1

can you post a picture of where you typed it?

Madara Uchiha

One moment

Zacharee1

5:33 PM

@cl-netbox are you still here?

cl-netbox

@Zacharee1 yes I am ! :) why ?

Zacharee1

I need to leave soon

you might have to take over the NVIDIA help

terdon

@MadaraUchiha post a question on the main site with all this info. You're much likelier to get a solution there.

Madara Uchiha

imgur.com/a/n38eF

I'm from a mobile device and can't formulate a property question like this

Zacharee1

@MadaraUchiha so you enter that and then press F10 right?

Madara Uchiha

5:35 PM

If it turns out that this isn't working, I'll wait until I have a pc

Zacharee1

no escaping back to the main menu or anything?

Madara Uchiha

Right @Zacharee1

Zacharee1

hmm

ok gtg

Madara Uchiha

Lol

cl-netbox

@MadaraUchiha Remove those three characters : ---

Madara Uchiha

5:36 PM

You sure? I didn't put them there

cl-netbox

@MadaraUchiha try it ... when it doesn't work leave them at the end ... means : add the paramater before them.

Madara Uchiha

didn't work with them, let's try before then

Same result

cl-netbox

@MadaraUchiha also select Try Ubuntu ... and not Install Ubuntu ... boot into the LIve session and start the installation from there. :)

Madara Uchiha

When I shut it down last time it responded to me clicking the power button

Tried that too, same result

terdon

@MadaraUchiha Don't remove them, just put the option before them.

Madara Uchiha

5:43 PM

Yeah, I tried both, same result

cl-netbox

@terdon already told him ...

Madara Uchiha

Maybe I should remove the quiet and splash?

cl-netbox

@MadaraUchiha no ... please try to boot with the nomodeset option before those ---

Madara Uchiha

As in, to get a more meaningful error message

terdon

I'd remove them, yes. That way, at least you'll be able to see what's going on and where it crashes.

Madara Uchiha

5:45 PM

@cl-netbox I did, still nothing

cl-netbox

@MadaraUchiha Which CPU and which GPU do you have ?

Madara Uchiha

@terdon now it just freezes with nothing on screen. No terminal text, nothing.

@cl-netbox I7 and gtx 1060

cl-netbox

@MadaraUchiha i7 what ? skylake or kaby lake ? means : 6th gen or 7th gen

Madara Uchiha

You're asking tough questions :P

One sec

KCI-6700HQ-P707

So, 6th gen

terdon

@MadaraUchiha That's weird.

cl-netbox

5:49 PM

Hey @Zanna ! :) Good evening ! :) Nice to see you ! :) Everything at it's best ? :)

Madara Uchiha

@terdon tell me about it :/

cl-netbox

@MadaraUchiha that explains a lot ... huge problems with kernels before 4.8 ... which ubuntu edition do you try to install ?

Madara Uchiha

Ubuntu gnome 16.10

cl-netbox

@MadaraUchiha hmmm ... that should work ... please try something else : try to install original ubuntu 16.10 ... if this boots into the live session then it has something to do with the ubuntu GNOME media maybe

Madara Uchiha

I'll try

Would take me a little while to grab the image though

cl-netbox

5:54 PM

@MadaraUchiha good luck ! :)

Madara Uchiha

So I'll be back later

Thanks for your help guys

cl-netbox

@MadaraUchiha You're welcome ! :)

Nathan Osman

6:12 PM

o/

Wow, lots of people here in the room this morning.

Either somebody raised a flag or I picked the right time to be here :D

cl-netbox

@NathanOsman Hello Nathan ! :) Good morning to you (evening here) ! :)

Nathan Osman

Same to you :)

cl-netbox

@NathanOsman Thank you ! :)

Hizqeel

o/ hey @NathanOsman Good morning but its (mid night) here :p :)

Nathan Osman

Well, have a good rest then :D

cl-netbox

6:15 PM

@Hizqeel Good night ... sleep well ! :)

Hizqeel

no my day just started :D @cl-netbox @NathanOsman

cl-netbox

@Hizqeel so you are are a man of the dark ? active in the night - sleeping all over the day ? :D :D :D

Hizqeel

@cl-netbox No I study in the morning and work at night :D :)

cl-netbox

@Hizqeel hmmm ... and when do you find some rest and time to sleep then ? :)

Nathan Osman

Another successful SpaceX landing?

Iridium-1 it looks like.

Hizqeel

6:24 PM

@cl-netbox I sleep at 5 am in the morning and then wake up 9:30 am then Go to University than come home at 4 noon almost (not any fix time) than have some rest again and then I become an owl at 10 at night :p

cl-netbox

@Hizqeel tough ! :) very tough ! :)

Hizqeel

:)

Ubuntu User

6:45 PM

@cl-netbox I just edited two TERRIBLE posts! I couldn't do too much to help though.

Nathan Osman

6:56 PM

So George learned a new trick.

@GeorgetheDev which package provides chromium-browser?

George the Dev

@NathanOsman 868 packages provide this file

Nathan Osman

Wat.

Oh, because all the icon themes.

Duh.

Jacob Vlijm

7:16 PM

Ha @ByteCommander are you comfortable with this one duped: askubuntu.com/questions/871898/… I must be missing something, but it seems slightly different to me...

Byte Commander

Oh, just saw that...

Trying...

Byte Commander

7:34 PM

@JacobVlijm The dupe looks okay to me. I used @Zanna's awesome answer now, but probably the other duped one by muru could also have been adapted to my exact needs.

Jacob Vlijm

@ByteCommander adapted is the right word, it is not an exact dupe, but if you're fine with it, I am. Zanna's answer is cool!

Madara Uchiha

Hey fellas

Follow up on the problem from earlier

I've tried downloading a normal Ubuntu image and I've gotten the same result (both with and without the setmode=0 option

However, with the Ubuntu installer, I've heard the sound it makes when you boot

Which leads me to believe that the installer is in fact loaded (which is why neither the CPU nor the USB are in use), but due to graphic problems, the GUI can't load, which is why the splash screen is all I see.

Ubuntu User

Cool! I have a hot meta post!

Madara Uchiha

What do you think? @cl-netbox @terdon?

Ubuntu User

@ByteCommander Hi! Anything good to chat about?

Byte Commander

7:47 PM

I guess not, currently...

Ubuntu User

@ByteCommander Too bad, I got my typewriter program to startup on login.

IanC

@Zacharee1 "If my dog could speak, everything would be poetry - Ux designer and 'really cool guy'". "Gente finíssima" is like a slang, for really cool person

sounds a little random, where did you read it? haha

Ubuntu User

I will see if I can get one more approved edit in today... than I'll get 100 rep!

terdon

@MadaraUchiha I don't really know anymore. But I'm curious. Post a question and I'll put a bounty on it. I don't know if you've already mentioned this, but make sure to include what happens if you "try ubuntu" instead of installing.

Madara Uchiha

Now I'm getting a different result

terdon

7:50 PM

A workaround might be to install Ubuntu Server (which has no GUI) and then install the GUI packages on that.

Madara Uchiha

The splash screen with the logo is flashing :/

terdon

Progress!

Of sorts.

Rinzwind

@MadaraUchiha does control alt f1 get you a login? :)

terdon

Still no tty?

Madara Uchiha

Still no

Rinzwind

7:51 PM

ah

terdon

Has any other Linux ever been installed on the machine?

Madara Uchiha

Nope

Rinzwind

setmode=0? is that the same as 'nomodeset'? >:)

Madara Uchiha

Only W10

Rinzwind

cuz I though setmode was for setting mode bits :P

terdon

7:53 PM

3 hours ago, by terdon

Is that the nomodeset?

Ubuntu User

I got 100 rep!!!! WHOOT!

Rinzwind

@terdon ok Ill stop asking >:)

terdon

3 hours ago, by Zacharee1

nouveau.modeset=0 yes

Rinzwind

@UbuntuUser gratz Now come back when you hit 200 >:-D

terdon

@Rinzwind No, don't! I just like that you're going through basically the same (apparently old-school) process as I did :)

Rinzwind

7:54 PM

@terdon OLD SKOOL rocks :=D

Ubuntu User

@Rinzwind only 15 wasn't from edits.

Rinzwind

old metal beats new metal

old starwars beats new starwars

Jacob Vlijm

now.numberofinterestingquestions=0

Rinzwind

remakes are never better ;=)

@JacobVlijm that one is never 0

Ubuntu User

@Rinzwind and old star trek beats any star wars

Jacob Vlijm

7:56 PM

@Rinzwind why not?

Ubuntu User

Well bye!

Rinzwind

@UbuntuUser you cant compare star trek series with star wars movies. the SW movies are better then ST Movies.

@JacobVlijm there is always 1 interesting question NOBODY knows. The one that has 42 as an answer.

Ubuntu User

@Rinzwind Well, watch this, one sec

Jacob Vlijm

*Lenovo Edge 15 not detecting SD cards in Ubuntu 16.04* (blub)
*Dell XPS 15 (9550) rebooting after suspend* (blublub)

@Rinzwind you make me curious!

Ubuntu User

@Rinzwind google.ca/…

terdon

7:58 PM

Oh, hey, Is it a Lenovo by any canche, @MadaraUchiha?

Rinzwind

@JacobVlijm put an ? behind it and you got 2 questions >:)

Madara Uchiha

@terdon No

XMG Schenker

terdon

How would the RAID driver issue with the lenovo machines manifest, anyway? What symptoms?

Ubuntu User

I'll go edit some more.

Rinzwind

@UbuntuUser sorry but ST is SCIFI so is more nerdy. SW is fantasy :=D

plus look at how many real life appliances ST got us D:

Ubuntu User

7:59 PM

Yeah, ST is still better! Bye!

Rinzwind

bye :D

back to bingewatching westworld >:)

Jacob Vlijm

@Rinzwind yeah, something like that. I must be too slow today.

Madara Uchiha

nomodeset doesn't work either 😬

No splash, no nothing

Blank screen all the way

It responds to keyboard, when I hit the power button and pressed "right arrow" twice then "enter", it restarted

It's just "blind"

Is it possible to get anywhere from the grub command line?

Or would that be too simple?

IanC

@terdon, just posted the indicator on GitHub, it worked! The issue was the path

github.com/IanCaio/RubyCapslockI

@Serg ^ just so I keep practicing Ruby :)

Eliah Kagan

8:17 PM

Does anyone know if this suggested edit is correct? /etc/default/opendkim uses # for comments... does it not accept them after an uncommented option on the same line?

Zacharee1

@IanC Twitter bio

Madara Uchiha

@terdon askubuntu.com/questions/871978/…

Anything else I should add?

Ubuntu User

8:36 PM

How do I go to wiki?

Hizqeel

NA askubuntu.com/a/871971/529390

Rinzwind

@EliahKagan sorry dont know :P

Madara Uchiha

I'm giving up.

This whole thing is way over my head 😬

I'll wait for answers for now.

Kaz Wolfe

@EliahKagan it's just a comment and doesn't do any harm, but i'd reject it on the grounds of it making no improvement.

(so, basically, what I did :D)

Rinzwind

8:52 PM

@KazWolfe but if that comment makes the program crash it is a valid edit :=)

Kaz Wolfe

@Rinzwind it does not make it crash. source: i use dkim, don't have that comment

Rinzwind

ok

but when you add the comment does it crash? >:-D

Kaz Wolfe

nope.

i have comments in other places.

Hizqeel

0

A: gnuradio installation error

The problem is actually in config.dat file but I cant locate it,if you did please let me know too!

Eliah Kagan

@KazWolfe The suggested edit removes the comment, and the edit summary says that having the comment there will keep opendkim from working. ("Removed comments in /etc/default/opendkim file, this will make opendkim stop running.") The question is not whether or not it will fail if the comment is absent, as on your system, but whether or not it will fail if the comment is present. ...Do the comments you have in other places appear after non-commented options, on the same line?

Kaz Wolfe

8:58 PM

@EliahKagan I can test if you want, actually.

give me a moment to SSH into my thing

Eliah Kagan

Thanks!

Kaz Wolfe

Nope, it's running with a comment after the socket line.

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