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Zanna

6:00 AM

That's my rarest badge I think askubuntu.com/help/badges/273/16-04

Serg

Hmmm, I've no version badges

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: How to add SVN commands to Krusader Context Menu?

I have RabbitVCS addition to nautilus and it works great, but I want to have it on Krusader.

Serg

I thought I had 14.04 , but nope

Zanna

well version tags aren't very meaningful are they? I'm not super excited about that badge

but still :)

Takkat

I have 11.04... quite useless today.

Zanna

6:05 AM

that's impressive considering it was a relatively ephemeral release though, right?

Kaz Wolfe

that sounds accurate

Takkat

mostly release tags are put on questions by accident

andrew.46

@Zanna In the old dasy the releases between LTS releases carried a bit more weight... and hi :)

days

Zanna

hi :)

more weight? How?

Takkat

yeah - somehow the excitement before every release has vanished

(it may only be me)

Zanna

6:11 AM

@Takkat yeah sometimes I take them off... a lot of those tag points I have are on "How do I pronounce Xenial Xerus" which is definitely a version specific question, but totally non-technical

Kaz Wolfe

so. what's the duck tape of ubuntu?

Takkat

I remember we had a special duty force on release days to be able to cope with the flood of questions-

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe duck tape?

Zanna

@Takkat ParanoidPanda says the same thing

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman yeah the quick hack fix to everything

Nathan Osman

6:13 AM

I know this can't be the answer but... systemd?

Kaz Wolfe

i was thinking chmod 777

Nathan Osman

systemd is the duct-tape fix for everything.

Kaz Wolfe

or sudo

Nathan Osman

systemd can make your bed, cure the common cold, and perfect nuclear fission. Or so we're told.

andrew.46

@Zanna Longer support time and greater excitement on release. Plus most users were using them, not clinging to the LTS

Zanna

6:14 AM

sudo !!

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman i can confirm the last one

Zanna

@andrew.46 Because there were a lot of differences?

Serg

Frankly, I'm not entirely happy about systemd

Slow shutdowns, a bit confusing syntax, targets, services, blah,blah

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg it does have its annoyances, but it can be useful.

(though services haven't changed since upstart)

Serg

It can be useful here and there. I just think systemd isn't the best alternative to traditional init

Kaz Wolfe

6:17 AM

it still beats traditional init

and the things that it does well it does really well.

Nathan Osman

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Serg

I just hope there will be something better developed. Upstart was really good and a lot of people liked it

Nathan Osman

^--- feature creep much?

Kaz Wolfe

yeah, but systemd has better socket management and it doesn't spawn tons of processes everywhere

Windows 3.1

I'm back, President Nathan Osman

Nathan Osman

6:20 AM

I'm not the president!

Kaz Wolfe

is @Windows3.1 worshiping @NathanOsman as a god?

Le sigh...

hope not :o

lol

6:21 AM

how to annoy any Ubuntu user:

Windows 3.1

easy

Kaz Wolfe

LFS is an easier and more user-friendly alternative to Debian and derivatives!

Windows 3.1

give him Ubuntu

just kidding

Serg

How to really annoy a true Ubuntu user: tell them Linux Mint is the same as Ubuntu

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Nathan Osman

There's an Arch joke in there somewhere...

Kaz Wolfe

6:22 AM

@Windows3.1 the only reason I haven't moved over to Arch is because I really like apt, and AskUbuntu is the best live community to exist..

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe You like apt over pacman???

andrew.46

@Zanna Even the wallpaper was different each time.... really different

Windows 3.1

Arch pkg mgr is bad, yes you are right.

dnf is good tho

Nathan Osman

I'm not using Ubuntu because I like the package manager, let me tell you that

Windows 3.1

-_-

Kaz Wolfe

6:23 AM

@NathanOsman apt makes more sense to me, and it's more natural. Plus I've already learned it.

Nathan Osman

@Windows3.1 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.... why?

Kaz Wolfe

DPKG is complicated, okay?

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe It's slower than a 10-year old Windows Me installation sometimes.

Windows 3.1

@NathanOsman because of

Serg

Package management in general is complicated

Windows 3.1

6:24 AM

dependencies

and dependencies of dependencies

Serg

^that

Windows 3.1

and dependencies of dependencies of dependencies

Kaz Wolfe

Really, though, Ubuntu is just a nice platform that does what I need quickly, easily, and reliably. If something breaks, go to AskUbuntu.

Windows 3.1

and dependencies of dependencies of dependencies of dependencies

Nathan Osman

@Windows3.1 It's not dependency resolution that slows things down...

Windows 3.1

6:24 AM

and dependencies of dependencies of dependencies of dependencies of dependencies!

Kaz Wolfe

I like Arch because Ubuntu occasionally does the weird thing that I can't explain, but I'm staying here because great community and I already know how Ubuntu works inside and out.

Windows 3.1

so first how do you even set up a darned network?

cant get wifi working without learning C++

Nathan Osman

@Windows3.1

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Kaz Wolfe

Arch goes on performance-driven instances whenever I need the extra 2% of power.

Nathan Osman

(I thought of that when I saw your "dependencies of dependencies..." message.)

Windows 3.1

6:25 AM

@NathanOsman YUP!!!!! good one Oss'Man

Serg

@KazWolfe exactly my experience. I've tried Arch, Fedora, Mint, and a few others. So far, my top 3 are Ubuntu, Deepin ( which is also Ubuntu derivative) and CentOS ( because stable )

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman google.com/search?q=recursion

Serg

In order to understand recursion you must first learn recursion

Windows 3.1

@KazWolfe bing.com/search?q=recursion&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN

Kaz Wolfe

also i think we should be approaching Planck Length...

The prereqs for CPSC 357, the class on package management, are CPSC 432, CPSC 357, and glibc2.5 or later.

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When did chrome de-bind Backspace from the Back command?

Windows 3.1

6:27 AM

@KazWolfe what in the world.... if you look at bing.com/images/search?q=recursion&FORM=HDRSC2 the first 2 images are linux!

Kaz Wolfe

That change is amazing.

Nathan Osman

True story - my family's last name wasn't originally spelled the way it is. The name comes from German. Guess how it was spelled...

Windows 3.1

this is why I love bing

Serg

Guys, i need a vote here

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman real guess, funny guess, or cruel guess?

Windows 3.1

6:28 AM

right in line with when I search "appalachian trial hiker" on bing images and see someone I know

Serg

First one or second one ?

Which bars are better ?

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe probably funny or cruel. Go for it. You won't be wrong :P

Windows 3.1

@Serg second

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman Stop for a second and think of what you know about me.

@Serg first, the lines are weird to me.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe I know - and you probably have guessed it then.

Kaz Wolfe

6:29 AM

@NathanOsman Will I get a flag?

Serg

Ok, so we have 1:1 vote . . .anybody else wanna weigh in ?

Nathan Osman

You have probably guessed it then.

Kaz Wolfe

Fossmann?

Nathan Osman

Er, nope.

It's still pronounced the same.

Just spelled differently... :D

Kaz Wolfe

then i guessedwrong

Serg

6:31 AM

Ossmann ?

Nathan Osman

Anywho... I'm grateful that my dad performed a legal name change before getting married.

Let's just put it that way.

Kaz Wolfe

Uthman?

Nathan Osman

Seriously.

Kaz Wolfe

wait what, that's it?

Nathan Osman

Think German.

Pronounce it and then spell it out phonetically.

Kaz Wolfe

6:32 AM

I don't know how to pronounce your name. I've always though of it as Awesmahn

Nathan Osman

Let's just say it starts with an "a" and the next letter is repeated.

Kaz Wolfe

That is not the cruel version I was thinking of, nor the humerous one.

Who in their right mind would name their son... *shudder*

Attman?!

That's just downright cruel.

Nathan Osman

How does "t" make the "s" sound?

Kaz Wolfe

It's called a joke.

Nathan Osman

:D

Severus Tux

6:35 AM

Hi all :D

Windows 3.1

Osman = Awesome Man

Nathan Osman

Are you sure you don't see how a person could get ridiculed or teased with a last name like that?

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman I can see exactly how.

Severus Tux

@Windows3.1 that works only for @Zanna

:P

Windows 3.1

@SeverusTux banned :P

Kaz Wolfe

6:36 AM

Problem is the way I thought to pronounce your name (Awezmahn) doesn't match up.

/mode #201 +b Windows3.1

/mode #201 +i

Windows 3.1

Seriously, dead serious, I just love the name Osman :D

/msg chanserv clear #201 USERS

/mode #201 +S

/mode +b !*@

gah

YOU STOLE MY STARS

lol

star exclamational point star at star

Serg

Seriously , dead serious, App Indicators should be able to have large icons in menu entries.

I demand so

Windows 3.1

^^^

Kaz Wolfe

@Windows3.1 ★!★@★

???

Windows 3.1

:)

Kaz Wolfe

6:39 AM

oh.

you mean like *!*@*

Zanna

@andrew.46 with animals?

@SeverusTux :) how are you?

Serg

@Zanna which usage bars do you like ? ( images above ) first or second ?

Severus Tux

I am fine thanks :D Today is a holiday for us :D ;D , So happy :) how are you ?

Zanna

@SeverusTux oh nice! what is the holiday for?

Severus Tux

Oh thats not it

Kaz Wolfe

6:46 AM

OMG YEY

I just found another tech support scammer line

let's fire up dat vm

Severus Tux

That was it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitru_Paksha :D

@Zanna We call it Mahalaya Amavasya

Kaz Wolfe

now should i fire up regular ubuntu, windows-looking ubuntu, Windows Server 2012, or Windows Vista/7/8/10?

Windows 3.1

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Kaz Wolfe

that second article...

Zanna

@SeverusTux isn't that the same page as before?

Severus Tux

6:49 AM

yes :P

Zanna

it says here it's considered inauspicious

Kaz Wolfe

so @NathanOsman, how should i screw with tech support scammers?

I was considering running a VM and then RDPing into my active session and screwing with them...

Nathan Osman

I have really wanted to do that with George.

Zanna

do you just get one day holiday @SeverusTux?

Nathan Osman

But the stupid telephone laws here prevent me from recording the call.

ಠ_ಠ

Kaz Wolfe

6:50 AM

don't record

Severus Tux

Yup

Kaz Wolfe

just do it for your own lulz

or proxy the call through me. I'm in the US, and I record the call.

Nathan Osman

Nah, it's no fun if it isn't recorded to share with friends.

@KazWolfe I'm sure an unannounced listener is essentially the same thing :P

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman i can fix that.

Windows 3.1

@NathanOsman when you get elected as prime minister, repeal them.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

I got prime minister and vice president mixed up on article

Kaz Wolfe

6:52 AM

"Hey, I was asked by George to come into this call, because he's not too good with computers and I can always help if he doesn't understand something"

Windows 3.1

idiot me

Severus Tux

Omg!... is this all real ?? @NathanOsman Am I chatting with future president of Canada ?

And he uses Ubuntu ! wow cool

Windows 3.1

@SeverusTux yes :)

edwinksl

@Zanna hehehe

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman plus who said i'm listening?

Zanna

6:53 AM

@edwinksl only 5 people hey, pretty cool!

Nathan Osman

To answer your question, let's think of what they usually do. It often goes something like this:
1. Go to some easily type-able URL and download a remote desktop-ish app
2. You give them the PIN, they take control of your cursor and keyboard
3. They open command and run "tree C:\" and *while the output is scrolling by*, they type a message that appears at the end of the output saying "xxx number of viruses detected"
4. They then offer their services for a "small" fee to remove the viruses

So... is there any way to mess with them in any of those steps?

edwinksl

@Zanna i see serg is getting it soon too :p

Nathan Osman

@SeverusTux No, unlikely.

I don't have what it takes to be prime minister.

Zanna

@edwinksl I'll always be happy to be in company with @Serg :)

Windows 3.1

SSH lol

Kaz Wolfe

6:54 AM

@NathanOsman ohhh yeah.

Windows 3.1

@NathanOsman yes you do

Nathan Osman

I don't even have what it takes to be the mayor :P

Zanna

so @SeverusTux what are you doing with your day off?

Windows 3.1

@NathanOsman were you born in US or Canada?

Nathan Osman

Canada.

I was born about 500m from where I am sitting right now, in fact.

Windows 3.1

6:56 AM

meh. wish you could be our president. If you win the election I'm moving to Canada

Kaz Wolfe

you're talking to someone who routinely screws with these people, @NathanOsman.

Nathan Osman

(We live close to the hospital.)

Severus Tux

@Zanna nothing much. Sleeping, Linuxing :P , planning for studying

only planning

Windows 3.1

oh

Kaz Wolfe

I can give you every way to nuke and screw over people.

Windows 3.1

6:56 AM

:)

@NathanOsman that's awesome

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe So... I assume you've tried the Windows-in-a-VM trick, the Linux-running-a-Windows-theme trick, etc.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman yes and yes.

i want to try the "take remote control while they're in" trick.

Zanna

@SeverusTux sounds excellent ^_^

Nathan Osman

I was watching a video on YouTube the other day of this one guy that purposely had "trouble" entering his credit card details The scammer opened his POS application on the user's desktop to manually put in the credit card transaction. Naturally the guy immediately disconnected the remote app and took control of the scammer's payment account.

Kaz Wolfe

i want to do that once.

so, really though nathan

Severus Tux

6:58 AM

Anyone know haskell programming here ?

Kaz Wolfe

i can set up a thing where you route the call through me, the party is announced, and everything works.

Nathan Osman

It gets better - I watched this other video where the user convinces the scammer to syskey his own PC.

Kaz Wolfe

oh that reminds me

Nathan Osman

You can hear him muttering (with an accent) "dis is no gud - oh, dis is not gud".

Kaz Wolfe

i want to replace syskey.exe and cmd.exe with some virus popups.

Nathan Osman

6:59 AM

LOL.

Kaz Wolfe

or no. tree.exe opens an actual tree.

Nathan Osman

Double lol. Doooooo eeeeeet.

Kaz Wolfe

Or eventvwr.msc opens a magnifying glass or something.

or, how about this?

i pop open my malware collection and let all the fun things run loose.

The things that block Malwarebytes from being installed.

And replace the exe association with its own malware-launcher?

Nathan Osman

Sure.

Kaz Wolfe

well... so when should i set up this call proxy?

how are you gonna do the voice though?

that's gonna make them suspicious

Nathan Osman

7:03 AM

@KazWolfe And unintelligible.

Kaz Wolfe

so... yeah

> Every one who, by means of any electro-magnetic, acoustic, mechanical or other device, wilfully intercepts a private communication is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.

Nathan Osman

That's as stupid as it gets.

Kaz Wolfe

> Subsection (1) does not apply to (a) a person who has the consent to intercept, express or implied, of the originator of the private communication or of the person intended by the originator thereof to receive it;

> (b) a person who intercepts a private communication in accordance with an authorization or pursuant to section 184.4 or any person who in good faith aids in any way another person who the aiding person believes on reasonable grounds is acting with an authorization or pursuant to section 184.4

Nathan Osman

It's my telephone.

I can do what I want with it.

Kaz Wolfe

ask on Law, but i think sec (a) says if you agree to record, you can.

Nathan Osman

7:09 AM

@KazWolfe So if we say "this call may be recorded for quality assurance purposes" first, it's okay?

Kaz Wolfe

no, you imply that the call is gonna be recorded to yourself.

Nathan Osman

How?

Kaz Wolfe

> a person who has the consent to intercept, express or implied, of the originator of the private communication

if the originator consents to have the call recorded, you can.

you originate the call, you can consent to yourself.

I think. IANAL.

Nathan Osman

Hmm...

But whenever I get a call, they say "this call may be recorded for quality assurance purposes".

They wouldn't say that if they didn't have to.

Kaz Wolfe

true... just say something really quickly but still barely legible.

> It is not illegal to record your own conversations with others, even if you do not have the other party’s consent.

if you're an individual, you have that right. If you're a company, it seems as though you need to explicitly say it.

Serg

7:17 AM

@NathanOsman small question: I've placed 75.png into /usr/share/icons. The indicator doesn't find it. What could be a possible reason ?

Kaz Wolfe

given this, @NathanOsman, you should be permitted to do it.

i still don't know how you're pulling the voice

or no.

I want to see tech support scammers on...

A TILING WM

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe there are apps that can alter pitch in near-realtime.

There's already some latency to the caller since they are probably in India.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman so i guess you talk to them in regular, but pitch up for recording?

hmmm. what about a syskey executable that returns the password back to me in plaintext?

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe I route the audio for the call through the app... somehow. I can use HSP/HFP over Bluetooth perhaps to get the audio to work the way I want it to.

Kaz Wolfe

no i mean they'll get confused/suspicious with the high pitched voice

Nathan Osman

7:31 AM

Oh... I could do his voice at the normal pitch and then raise it later when I make it into a video?

Kaz Wolfe

yeah, probably that's the best idea

Nathan Osman

I'll see if I can find one of the recordings I can give you a sample of.

Kaz Wolfe

tomorrow... i give scammers my converted Ubuntu without wine.

Nathan Osman

picosong.com/TrW2

^--- without any voice effects

If you want to hear how it sounds after, it's the first line from this video: youtube.com/watch?v=uv2xKllptQU

Kaz Wolfe

how much artificial stress do you put on your vocal cords with that lol

Nathan Osman

7:37 AM

@KazWolfe Let's just say... enough :)

Kaz Wolfe

i thought you just did those voice effects with various audio editing tools

Nathan Osman

No, what you hear in the video is simply the pitch raised about 30% of an octave.

Kaz Wolfe

how high is this compared to your normal voice?

Nathan Osman

Quite high, I assure you.

Unfortunately, I don't have any recordings of my actual voice handy :(

Kaz Wolfe

yeah you can probably just use your george voice unaltered for your side

then overlay the altered voice

Nathan Osman

7:40 AM

I do a lot of other voices too.

The Board Room - Part 1

►

^--- the other two guys in that video are unaltered.

Kaz Wolfe

the way i'd do it here is set the recorder up to not capture your mic, but have a transposer/audacity in the background actually doing the recording

when you're done, up the pitch on the recorded file of just your voice, and leave everything else okay.

Nathan Osman

It may be easier to just speak into two mics - the phone and a mic connected to the PC recording my end of the call.

Kaz Wolfe

just use a softphone for this, i'd think

Nathan Osman

Anyway, bedtime for me.

Goodnight.

Kaz Wolfe

night

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

7:56 AM

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Q: Can't change resolution in grub in ubuntu server

When I first got my ubuntu server setup i noticed that the resolution was 640 x 480 in grub and my screen is 1080p. I followed this tutorial How to set the resolution in text consoles (troubleshoot when any vga=… fails) by user jasonwryan and i edited /etc/default/grub and i added and edited the ...

ubuntu grub resolution

Kaz Wolfe

o/ @Ferrybig

Ferrybig

@KazWolfe o/

Kaz Wolfe

unrelated note and shameless plug...

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Q: What should WolfBot do for us?

Right now, I'm busy making a chatbot for AskUbuntu known as WolfBot (you can play with it over in the testing room. However, I've hit a roadblock with development inasmuch as I can't decide what to do with it anymore. Therefore, I thought it to be appropriate to turn to the all-knowing community...

discussion chat bots

please, i need ideas.

Kaz Wolfe

8:17 AM

@Windows3.1, can you please mark your post as a Community Wiki?

Rinzwind

@KazWolfe have it upvote user Rinzwind

and to expand on that! have it downvote user Oli

Zanna

lol

Kaz Wolfe

@Rinzwind i wish i could, because I'd get like 3000 rep real fast.

Rinzwind

oh to make it less suspicious: create 10000 accounts now, wait a few months and then upvote >:)

Kaz Wolfe

unfortunately...

> This account should only ever have a couple answers on it, such to gain chat privileges on the network. Otherwise, this bot will never take an action on the main site.

edwinksl

8:24 AM

@Rinzwind ah, classic sleeper sockpuppets

Rinzwind

@Serg easy answer: then why does it exist?

edwinksl

the command in the question works for me. can someone else try it too? askubuntu.com/questions/382461/…

@MarkKirby you want to close it as no-repro?

@MarkKirby congrats on 10k!

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