Ask Ubuntu General Room

7:00 PM

@TRiG They should really make gparted installed my default.. I think they used to have it that way.

cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of overlayfs
cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab

Lucio

:O

Alvar

O.o

@TRiG WHAT DID U DO? ;)

Thomas W.

@Seth They never had it that way.

@Seth unless pre-8.04

TRiG

Meh. They're only warnings, not errors.

Seth

7:00 PM

@ThomasW. Well they should have.

Alvar

@TRiG haha I know, you normally get them :)

Thomas W.

@Seth I agree, but meh. suggest it to the release team

@Seth since if they start including it they should start with 14.04 :p

Seth

lol.

Lucio

@TRiG that is the message of .. DEATH

I mean, virtually :P

Seth

I don't see anything deathly in those warnings..

Lucio

7:02 PM

Me neither :D

They are just warns

Seth

lol

TRiG

@ThomasW. It's 13.10. It's just not the most recent 13.10. Biggest upgrades, as far as I could tell from eyeballing the terminal as stuff scrolled past, were LibreOffice and Thunderbird.

Lucio

I receive tons compiling

Seth

Skype for Linux is so... eww.

Lucio

(I shouldn't said that)

TRiG

7:02 PM

And finished.

Thomas W.

@TRiG and kernel

Lucio

@Seth 100% agree

Thomas W.

@TRiG and also drivers

TRiG

@Seth Agreed.

Thomas W.

@TRiG and some Unity changes/updates

I could go on

but I won't :P

TRiG

7:03 PM

ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ gksu gparted
The program 'gksu' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
sudo apt-get install gksu
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install gksu
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package gksu

Seth

Really not that big of a difference... Nothing new that I actually use. Except the kernel of course :P

TRiG

Hmm.

Seth

@TRiG Try gksudo

Thomas W.

@Seth you forgot they removed gksudo and gksu didn't you?

TRiG

I ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ gksudo gparted
The program 'gksudo' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
sudo apt-get install gksu

Meh.

Seth

7:04 PM

@ThomasW. No, I didn't. Unless you mean removed from the repos.

@TRiG sudo -i then.

TRiG

I'll see if I can launch it some other way.

Lucio

TRiG

@Lucio Thank you. ;)

Lucio

sorry, I know that apt is ~~hatefully~~ hateful

Seth

Ahh. gksu is in Universe.

Lucio

7:05 PM

is that a word?

TRiG

@Seth That seems to be working.

Seth

You probably don't have Universe enabled.

@TRiG It better :P

Thomas W.

@Seth They removed gksudo, i think, i thin gksu still works

gksudo was removed

gksu may still exist

Seth

@ThomasW. gksudo and gksu were the same thing anyway.

Lucio

lol

Seth

7:06 PM

gksu does still exist, in universe.

Thomas W.

but not by default install

so you still have to install it :P

and you can't use gksu or gksudo to install it :p

Seth

ofc

Thomas W.

because it doesn't exist.

Lucio

haha, universe talks

Seth

@Lucio universe is a repo

@ThomasW. Did you not see askubuntu.com/questions/284306/… ?

Lucio

7:08 PM

@Seth I know perfectly where I come from!

Seth

Okay

Thomas W.

i did, however most others havent seth

:P

Seth

@ThomasW. I am aware of that fact.

Lucio

@Seth Okay

Thomas W.

then the discussion is over :)

goes back to burning things on /dev/null

Seth

7:09 PM

btw, I'm glad @Jin will change the top bar's color somewhat..

~~black~~ dark grey just looked weird.

Thomas W.

@Seth it'll be purple.

Seth

Yep.

Thomas W.

dark aubergine or w/e the color was

Seth

w/e as in what ever?

Thomas W.

i think that they're willing to help like that slightly if it vastly contrasts with a theme

@Seth yes

Seth

7:10 PM

@ThomasW. I think so you.. It wouldn't make sense if they didn't.

Thomas W.

@Seth indeed. and as Jin pointed out they already modified scifi and rpg's bar's translucency

so some wiggle room is available

so long as the format of the bar stays the same

Lucio

and also, there will be some coctels on the bar so..

coctels?

lol

7:13 PM

sorry, I though you were Welsh

BTW, what is Welsh?

is that a country?

Seth

Err sorta.

Thomas W.

it isn't a country it's a language

Lucio

yep

Seth

Wales

Wales (; ) is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east and the Atlantic Ocean and Irish Sea to its west. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456, and has a total area of . Wales has over of coastline, and is largely mountainous, with its highest peaks in the north and central areas, including Snowdon (), its highest summit. The country lies within the north temperate zone, and has a changeable, maritime climate. Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in ...

Lucio

close to Wales

:D

Thomas W.

7:14 PM

Wales

they use welsh

here's a disambiguation page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh

Lucio

@Seth Are you a Waleshianito?

TRiG

►

Lucio

@TRiG have u solve the issue?

TRiG

@Lucio I have GParted running now. Have reduced size of Ubuntu partition, but it's not allowing me to expand Windows.

Am fiddling with it.

Lucio

right

Seth

7:16 PM

@Lucio I am not welsh

Lucio

@TRiG why don't you get ride of Windows

@Seth Now it is clear :D

Seth

@Lucio *rid

TRiG

@Lucio I now have unallocated space, but that space is still within /dev/sda4.

@Lucio I want IE10 for testing purposes.

Thomas W.

screenshot

Lucio

@TRiG Why don't you get rid of the Hard Drive?

Thomas W.

7:17 PM

screenshot gparted, upload it?

TRiG

I build websites, so I need a bit of IE now and again.

Thomas W.

@TRiG you could in theory put XP on a VM inside Ubuntu

or Win7 inside a VM

Lucio

@TRiG trust me, that is exactly what you need to avoid

Thomas W.

and then view from there

but i agree, IE is BAD

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and you should build for firefox, etc.

Lucio

yep

Thomas W.

7:18 PM

which is SANE. IE is dying

hell, SSL labs even points out IE doesn't support all the SSL stuff that it should

and every dev out there knows it

Seth

IE actually isn't dying.

Thomas W.

no forwarding secrecy, etc.

Seth

@TRiG The newest version is now 11 you know.

TRiG

Seth

But I don't even wast my time building for IE.

(personally)

Thomas W.

7:19 PM

oooop i noticed a problem with Ask Ubuntu's SSL

they need to add www. to the prefixes :/

Seth

@TRiG Might be because sda3 is extended.

TRiG

@Lucio I'm afraid a couple of clients use IE. I don't develop for IE, but I do want to glance at the finished product in IE. Just a glance.

blade19899

...The new topbar....

Thomas W.

@TRiG sda3 is an extended partition

that's the problem

you can't move extended partition space from within the extended partition to outside without resizing the extended partition too

Lucio

@TRiG yeah, I pity you

Thomas W.

7:20 PM

so you have to reize your sda5, like you did, then resize your sda3 and shrink it

and by doing that you run the risk of corruption and dataloss within the extended partition (so sda5 and sda6 could both die)

TRiG

@ThomasW. Yup. Have done it now. It wouldn't let me resize sda3, because one of the sections within it was being used. So I turned off the swap and now it works.

Thomas W.

@TRiG back up data you want to keep though

before you apply changes

because...

25 mins ago, by Thomas W.

ALWAYS BACK UP YOUR STUFF.

Lucio

@ThomasW. true

@ThomasW. lol

Thomas W.

should I post on MSO about the SSL issues?

TRiG

@ThomasW. The only thing on this computer that I want to keep is my record of tabs open in Firefox. And I won't cry if I lose it.

@ThomasW. Don't bother. You'll be told that SSL is not yet officially supported.

They have it enabled for a few experiments, but you shouldn't expect it to be working yet.

Thomas W.

7:23 PM

@TRiG then i'll give them guidance on configuration, as it stands they're vulnerable to many SSL vulnerabilities by only using older SSL protocols

and it's very easy to turn on the newer ones unless they're using win2k

TRiG

It's broken. They know it's broken. They're working on it.

And bah. Now I have two small portions of unallocated space I can't get rid of.

Lucio

@TRiG They're working on it. since?

TRiG

@Lucio nickcraver.com/blog/2013/04/23/…

Lucio

> We’ll be working on it over the next 6-8 weeks.

They are not working.

TRiG

I'm now going to hit the scary button in GParted.

If I can find it.

Ah. There it is.

*crosses fingers*

^^ Those should be backslashes (to escape the asterisks), but because I'm running Ubuntu from a flash stick it's given me a US keyboard layout, and I don't know where the backslashes are hidden.

Lucio

7:37 PM

crosses fingers :(

TRiG

And fixed from my Desktop computer, while the laptop ruminates on repartitioning.

Lucio

well, I'm out

(^ you when I close the chat room)

kalina

7:56 PM

@Lucio the whole of Stack Exchange the moment I become active

Mateo

@Seth which only works fully on windows 8.1, IE has been dead for everything else

kalina

IE is the best internet browser in the world

Braiam

BLASPHEMY

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kalina

oh right, sarcasm can't be detected in chat

IE11 isn't terrible though tbf

Chrome is still the best browser though

Mateo

@TRiG modern.ie/en-us/virtualization-tools#downloads IE test VM images

TRiG

8:06 PM

@Lucio What that image makes me think of.

Braiam

wait, SE use nginx?

TRiG

@Braiam Apparently so.

Braiam

8:21 PM

mm... vote to reopen? askubuntu.com/q/388037/169736

Seth

8:31 PM

@Braiam Sure. I can't believe that got closed. At least, with that close reason anyway.

Braiam

@Seth because reasons, I want reviews audits...

RolandiXor

@kalina .

Seth

I think we should remove the second part of the question

Mateo

still not sure what is being asked...

Seth

@RolandiXor Sending people periods again hmm?

:P

RolandiXor

8:33 PM

@kalina e_e

Mateo

does he want a hard drive image?

RolandiXor

@Seth there are no words for what I saw there lol

Seth

@Mateo Other people are ;)

RolandiXor

Firefox or bust.

Seth

@RolandiXor No kidding lol.

RolandiXor

8:34 PM

(Sent from Chromium).

Seth

@RolandiXor THIS

@RolandiXor (same lol)

RolandiXor

xD

Seth

Well.. Opera running on Chromium.. Not exactly the same.

RolandiXor

ewwww

Seth

Actually it's not that bad.

Opera 12 was awful though.

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Braiam

8:38 PM

why people are suggesting edits to OT questions that are about another OS?

Seth

Because they really have no idea how this site works.

Braiam

and even worse... reviewers are approving them!

(really wants reviews audits...)

RolandiXor

GTK+ 3.10 did land in 14.04!

I was wondering.

Trust me folks, you will be pleased with 14.04.

Seth

I hope so.

RolandiXor

It is 12.04 evolved.

Seth

8:40 PM

Tahr looks so cool

Mateo

@Braiam then they will be disappointed when down the road rep starts disappearing 2 points at a time

RolandiXor

Not revolutionary, but definitely a good evolution of the not-so-different iteration that 12.04 was.

@Seth you tried it? (sorry for the late reply, was reading)

Seth

@RolandiXor Tried what?

Opera 12 or 19?

Mateo

19? oh right they switched development systems...

RolandiXor

@Seth 19

Seth

8:43 PM

Yep. Opera is actually fast in 19.

Opera 12 was soooo slow, even though it has awesome features.

Mateo

I miss that they are not crazy on the edge everything changes each version

Seth

@RolandiXor I'm typing this on 19

RolandiXor

@Seth on Linux?

Seth

@RolandiXor No, they don't have a dev version for Linux yet.. The Linux version of Opera is still 12 dot something

RolandiXor

Oh okay I thought so

Mateo

8:45 PM

@Seth :`(

Seth

12.16 to be exact. Maybe I'll try it again..

Mateo

4 whole number releases, looks like they abandoned us

Seth

:O

You're right! Opera is at 18 for Windows...

Mateo

they skipped a few numbers in there, mac is up on 18 too

Seth

9:04 PM

Wouldn't this be a Steam bug?

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Q: I can't get Steam to exit or close on Ubuntu 13.10

Steam works absolutely fine on my Ubuntu 13.10 installation, however I'm unable to quit the client - the menubar indicator stays there even when I hit Exit. I can only close Steam completely by killing the process.

steam

Braiam

9:17 PM

@Seth yep

blade19899

9:29 PM

Voted to close and commented on how to report steam bugs.

Braiam

@bex just remove one, install the other, fill the form, remove the other and install one! — Braiam 6 secs ago

O_O

I don't know if someone can understand that...

blade19899

@Braiam, go to bed man, your not making sence

Good night!

Seth

9:58 PM

Hey, my pro forma comments script started working all of a sudden... COMMENT ON ALL THE THINGS!

hbdgaf

@Seth Silent patch or change from the SE end of things?

Seth

Let me see..

Seems like an SE update. The script hasn't been updated for 49 days supposedly.

hbdgaf

@blade19899 I don't think it's a bug. I don't thing they're even trying to click on the applet and get the dropdown that lets you exit steam. Works for me on Trusty.

Also, software updater needs a "Restart Later" button for kernel upgrades, at least in Xubuntu.

Braiam

@hbdgaf I just kill the thingy....

hbdgaf

Could just kill it, but then you run the risk of corrupting some download you forgot you backgrounded. I'ld exit it as it was designed for safety.

my life just got way easier. there's a libnl python wrapper built in to libnl. it's just that nobody uses it...like...ever

Lucio

10:21 PM

BTW, @Seth I won! :P

Also I think that you know a lot of keyboard, maybe you can help here:

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Q: xmodmap,map capslock to control_L,contol to super_L

I usually swap control and capslock, but the old Laptop I am using has no win key which I use as a super key. So that is why I would like to have to assin control_L to caplock but control to super_L any help is strongly appreciated Uwe Brauer

xmodmap

Lucio

10:41 PM

I'm about to report a bug, so want to be sure that it is not reported in another place

The bug is with the Keyboard and Text configurations, Ubuntu doesn't recognize the configs values (I think) so I need to change it after every boot

Have anyone heard it before?

hbdgaf

Is it an order of interpretation problem? The answer will probably be to put it in an init script instead of rewriting something to include an order of precedence rule.

Lucio

what?

I'm not looking for a solution now, but to report it and then you and everyone have more and better info to debug it.

hbdgaf

you're mapping something to something that is remapped. it's possible restoring the configuration gets borked because of the order it restores in. that's just my guess.

Lucio

O.O

@hbdgaf I don't understand any word of that :D

Oh, you say that I need to restore the configs, right?

hbdgaf

you're still talking about xmodmap question right?

Lucio

10:45 PM

oh, no

sorry

haha

hbdgaf

ok. i was reading it that way.

Lucio

yeah, I should have separated it, silly of my

Seth

@Lucio I don't understand..

Lucio

I mean, the bar is like I wanted

Seth

But it's also like I wanted

Lucio

10:48 PM

O_O

Oh right :D

;)

we all win!

Exactly :D

with Mateo yessss

An Ubuntu Widget would be cool although rather out of place on an SE site..

Lucio

10:50 PM

We are like miles far away from the rest of SE thanks to this guy.

Seth

This guy?

Mateo

that and it would be totally different from the ubuntu bar

Lucio

nop

Mateo

@Lucio miles away? I'm not sure that translates as good here

Lucio

abs. not

google failed on me

a big one to be honest

Seth

10:52 PM

<-- is lost

Mateo

unless it is a mile high in the sky, maybe

Alvar

hi

Lucio

The sound of silent

Hi!

Seth

waves

Alvar

what's wrong with this command sudo scp -r pi@192.168.103: ~/www/ /var/ ?

trying to copy my php stuff to my raspberry pi

Lucio

10:55 PM

all? :D

Seth

Emm.. Maybe the question mark at the end?

lol

lol

that's not in it

Are you sure it's .103?

Alvar

10:56 PM

yes

Seth

That's... high.

Alvar

I did that myself

I know I wrote it myself in the router

the address starts at 100 ;)

Seth

wow.

Lucio

yep

Seth

So.. you trying to copy to two different locations?

Lucio

10:56 PM

My mobile is using 105 xD

Alvar

but the scp command?

hbdgaf

@Alvar home might not expand properly... and i don't mix sudo and scp.

Seth

And I'm on like 4 lol

Alvar

I want to copy the www folder and all the rest in it

Mateo

.1.103 ?

Alvar

10:57 PM

to /var/ on the PI

Seth

What happens when you run the command?

Alvar

@Mateo no

@Seth it copies .desktop files

which is strange...

Mateo

try with out the ~ shortcut

Seth

@Mateo this

Lucio

@Alvar indeed

Alvar

10:59 PM

no such file or directory

think I need the full path

Mateo

/home/usrename/

Seth

@Mateo this

Alvar

yep did /home/alvar/www/

but still sends a bunch of .desktop files and no /www file :S

Seth

Why is www in your ~ anyway?

Alvar

@Seth I put it there, it's not my actual WWW

I just wanted to copy paste that into my new www

and replace the one that's there now..

Seth

11:01 PM

I see.

Alvar

I can't understand why this isn't working..

hbdgaf

wait, you have desktop files in ~/www ?

Seth

Me either.

Alvar

@hbdgaf on my laptop yes

Mateo

try -v to see if it says anything more

Alvar

11:04 PM

hmm think I did it wrong...

unix.stackexchange.com/a/85297/30041 see this answer...

$ sudo scp -r /home/alvar/www/ pi@192.168.0.103:/var/

I wrote that

and got back a bunch of permision denied

which makes no sence...

hbdgaf

it makes perfect sense

Journeyman Geek

@Alvar: / var/www is owned by www-data

why?

pi can't write to it

damn!

11:08 PM

you're running as local root, not as remote root... derp

Journeyman Geek

also, your raspi has no internal sensors

Alvar

so what should I do?

@JourneymanGeek that sucks :(

@JourneymanGeek I love DATA!

so what should I do?

hbdgaf

ssh to remote and pull. it's the easiest and least confusing

Alvar

@hbdgaf pull?

hbdgaf

ssh -l pi piaddress
sudo scp alvar@devboxaddress/home/alvar/www /var
chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www
or similar

Alvar

11:12 PM

ok...

hbdgaf

check to make sure of who owns /var/www first. i do python django virtualenvs, so i can put them wherever i want...var dubs sounds like apache though

Alvar

yeah this is apache via lightphd and php 5 server

hbdgaf

i don't do php, but yeah, check permissions before you clobber them as a rule

Alvar

owner is alvar

php is awesome ;)

hbdgaf

on the pi...

Lucio

11:15 PM

haha

Alvar

I know it has a lot of faults..

Lucio

Done

Text Entry configuration not recognized after reboot

After any boot the configurations of the keyboard and the Text Entry menu is are not recognized. My keyboard has an Spanish configuration, but after turn on the computer the configuration is set on Spanish but not working. I have find a *turn around* to this issue (uploaded a video here and also on YT: http://youtu.be/v2bu1fohmvI) You can see (in the video) that I get the '@' character with the default combination, but after Add and Remove any language on the Text Entry menu, the Spanish configuration is recognized and I can then get the '@' char.

console-setup (Ubuntu)

Undecided / New

Alvar

how do I check permission via cli?

hbdgaf

ls...

Alvar

wut?

hbdgaf

11:17 PM

ls -la something or ls -laR something

Alvar