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4:02 PM
@Fabby Politics isn't my game ;)
Oh wait.... are you saying Byte is a mod>???
Now I do see his name is coloured blue...
And when I click on his blue name a pop up window shows his avatar with a diamond after his user name.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Took you quite a few coffees to wake up today!
 
A flash of light spreads across the universe
 
He's been a mod for 3 days already!
 
@ByteCommander Happy Mod 3 day anniversary !!!!
 
^__^ thanks
 
4:06 PM
Ummm I would have voted for you but I didn't know you were running :)
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix See starwall too.
Back to kitchen!
 
don't burn things
 
Do we know if a lot of users were removed last night? At first I was paranoid it was one user who upvoted only me. Now I know many users were upvoted (@ByteCommander lost 265 points for example) and I don't have to worry I was the only one. Other sites comment that there was a massive user removal and not just one user. This makes one wonder if a robot did it via a script someone wrote.
 
@ByteCommander that's one of the weirdest things about Ubuntu for me. It's seems so weird that multiple DEs are a problem. I don't think I've ever had a machine with just one DE.
 
I had an installation with multiple DEs once, and then one of them broke and would not let me log in any more.
 
4:17 PM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix No, it was done by SE. We don't know more than that though.
@ByteCommander Weird.
 
@terdon Not just multiple-DE but now in 18.04 you pick between Wayland and X-Org :(
 
IIRC this issue was what initially brought me here though, so it might have been a good thing :D
 
It's something to do with Ubuntu's 'foo-desktop' packages, I think.
 
It was Unity + Cinnamon (+ XFCE?), and Cinnamon broke
back on 14.10 or something like that
/shrug
I assume conflicting config files in the user homes
 
I currently have:
$ ls -l /usr/share/xsessions/
total 32
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5160 Mar 18 01:55 budgie-desktop.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 268 Apr 5 18:32 cinnamon2d.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 155 Apr 5 18:32 cinnamon.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7614 Mar 14 20:30 gnome.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7651 Mar 14 20:30 gnome-xorg.desktop
So 3 DEs.
 
4:20 PM
arch or ubuntu?
 
Arch
 
hmm.
I mean, it can work, but I experienced that it also easily can break.
 
I've been temped by Arch many times over the years.... Kubuntu or Xubuntu I was reading has an option to repeat Desktop Icons across all monitors. This feature I would find very helpful and I wish Unity/Gnome provided it too sigh
 
As I said, this issue with multiple DE being a problem is an Ubuntu thing. I've never experienced it. And back when I was using Ubuntu it wasn't a problem, I don't think.
 
And it generates lots of clutter and redundancy, so I wouldn't do it any more anyway
 
4:21 PM
I like trying out different desktops.
 
Trying yes, but you don't use all of them for long, do you?
 
But yeah, it isn't a big deal. And it might be a Debian thing, not an Ubuntu thing. Although I know I had multiple DEs when I was using LMDE which is Debian testing.
 
After a while you'd most likely decide on one main
 
@ByteCommander Sometimes. I've spent a few years with all of WindowMaker, Gnome, KDE, Mate and Cinnamon.
And I sometimes want to answer questions about other DEs :)
 
@terdon OK here is a "other DE" question. How do I repeat Desktop Icons across all monitors in Unity like Kubuntu and/or Xubuntu does? :)
 
4:24 PM
No idea. I've never touched Unity and I wouldn't sully my machine with it! :P
 
does it not do that automatically?
 
@terdon That's like sacrilegious in this Ask Ubuntu site :P
 
I barely see my desktop at work where I have three monitors :P
anyway, icons are managed by the Files manager, nautilus
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Not at all! Ubuntu has finally seen the error of its ways and has discontinued that abomination!
 
so it would have to be a setting (or missing feature) in that
 
4:26 PM
Unity was the best DE I've ever used.
4
You don't know what you're talking about :P
 
It takes all sorts... :)
 
@ByteCommander haha at work I have one crappy monitor, crappy keyboard with sticky keys. At home I have the three monitors, wireless keyboard and mouse, etc. But desktop icons only appear on left screen and I want them replicated on all monitors so I can click from less busy one.
@terdon Unity isn't discontinued so much as development has been frozen I think. I'm waiting for 20.04 before I make any substantial change away from Unity.
@Seth Starred that one Seth!!!
 
@terdon You seem to like things to be complex... (I'm assuming in your world view: complex = interesting, vanilla = booooring!)
 
There must be a fork, isn't there? Joking apart, I know many people liked it, so I hope it will be continued somehow.
 
it's still in the repos
 
4:30 PM
@terdon A unity fork was floated when they said they would abandon it with 17.10 I think it was. Anyway Unity was brought back in 18.04 because Gnome+Wayland was such a flop!!!!
 
@Fabby I have a very deep distrust of people who try to cast the world in simple terms. That leads to some very dangerous ideologies and systems of thought where if I'm right, you must be wrong...
 
even eoan still has it
just no active development on that version any more, I guess
 
@terdon I definitely need to buy you a drink some day...
(2,3,4,, ... a dozen)
 
:)
 
@Fabby On your way to buy Terdon a drink, stop in Canada to buy me a drink and visit Seth in WA to buy him one (or a dozen) as well :)
 
4:37 PM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix CA and US are not on my way to Terdon! ;-)
 
@Fabby So it's a round about journey... Think of the frequent flyer points you'll make !!!
 
I don't have any frequent flyer cards any more...
 
Yeah me neither... plus I refuse the Safeway points cards and all the rest of that stuff.
 
Used to have a few when I had a job including 90% travel, been there, did that, got the t-shirt and burned said T-shirt...
:D
Back to kitchen!
 
for something else to burn :P
 
4:40 PM
Feel free to come by here too, I promise I'll talk German with you ;)
 
I just noticed my desktop icons paint down the left side of the left monitor then truncate and don't loop into a second column. I'm cursed!
 
do you have some void space below your left monitor?
not the right term, but idk how to call it
when you have multiple monitors of different sizes, the blank space that is not visible when you draw a single rectangle around all the displayed screen area
or what appears black if you do an all-monitors screenshot
maybe the icons leak into that
 
4:56 PM
@ByteCommander yes there is void space. yes multiple sized monitors. Left 1920x1080, Right 3840x2160, bottom right 1920x1080. yes I figure something changed recently but it used to work ok on the left monitor :(
 
5:13 PM
Our resident Python expert Joseph has a nice script to get lost icons back on screen. Plus I'm thinking I can hack his python script to move all icons to one of my three monitors :)
@JacobVlijm Sorry I meant "Jacob" not "Joseph"
 
@Fabby Is this better? 😉 But no, I am not Canadian. :D
 
I would use a colouring pen :=)
 
5:35 PM
@Rinzwind LOL who / what / where was this answer directed?
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix to getting the icons back >:)
 
@Rinzwind Oh at me... YOU JUST WAIT 30 MINUTES. I'm going to post a question and then YOU JUST WAIT MANY MANY DAYS and I'll post a nifty bash script as an answer :)
 
I am waiting. :X decided to make 10.000 files for an answer.
it is taking a while :P
 
it's strange some of my answers aren't accepted for many many days, weeks, months. A lot of them only have one vote sigh
I should write a script to delete answers with no votes after a year :)
 
yeah
 
5:40 PM
no?
 
Answers from manual pages are the best rep
 
just because an answer didn't get much attention doesn't necessarily mean it is bad or should be deleted
some questions are just so specific that very few people will click on them or consider reading through the answers
You still shouldn't destroy perfectly good content.
 
I should never have tried to answer this ->
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Q: Taking lot of time to delete the 1GB of files

HemanthWe are trying to delete files with total size of 1GB aprox on production server, it will take around 1Hour time. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS Release: 16.04 Codename: xenial Hosted on the AWS, Please help me how to trouble shoot this type of issue

MAKING 10.000 files takes already 19 minutes
 
$ time seq -w 10000 | xargs touch

real	0m0.044s
user	0m0.020s
sys	0m0.026s
I don't know what you mean ;D
$ time seq -w 10000 | xargs -I{} dd if=/dev/zero 'of=./{}' bs=100k count=1 status=none

real	0m7.601s
user	0m6.002s
sys	0m1.792s

$ du -sh .
978M	.
nope, all good
 
answer it then :=)
100% he is using the wrong command ;)
like rm or find
 
5:52 PM
I did this in a tmpfs
no way I run that on a hard disk :P
 
@Rinzwind yah yah I know you've said many times how man pages gets you enormous rep :( I prefer the more challenging answers where I go into a closet coding 82 hours and then get three up votes :P
@Rinzwind I took my colour pencil set and wrote this question to get my Desktop Icons back! askubuntu.com/questions/1146175/…
@ByteCommander This also addresses the "void" issue we talked about last hour ^^^^
 
hey, you know the old adage. $10 to swing the hammer, $200 to know where to swing it.
This applies to answers here too.
 
Don't know that adage but was thinking that at work yesterday when new person adjusted in $20,000 to inventory by using wrong part number. We taught them how to enter adjustments but doesn't fix them adjusting wrong part number.
 
truth
 
Ironically wrong # was 1" hex nut, right # should have been 1/4" washer. So it gets back to "nuts & bolts" or "meat and potatoes" or just simply common sense...
Well my 425 point drop this morning is now only 330 points... Still might have to post some man page answers to get back to zero hahaha :P
 
6:10 PM
Hehe, @WinEunuuchs2Unix well, Joseph runs in the family (father's side). Male human beings are named either Jacob or Joseph. I became a Jacob. I am sure you will have python 3 though, unless you are running 12.04 or so :)
 
idk. I'm slightly dyslexic and it causes my brain to swap two numbers/letters in a series. I wouldn't be good at data entry.
I have to triple/quadruple check most times.
 
I am the only non-dyslectic person in the house here @Seth :)
...At least I think...
 
$ python --version
Python 2.7.12
 
I'm thankful mine is mild enough that it doesn't affect me much outside of a few specific cases.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix now run python3 --version
 
6:13 PM
I know people with much more serious cases of it and it's got to be super frustrating.
 
LOL *face-palm* who knew: $ python3 --version
Python 3.5.2
 
@Seth it just means you are smart. I know extremely intelligent + extremely dyslectic persons, no one knows they are dyslectic.
 
All this time I was reading posts how python 3.6 broke python 2.7 and I thought to myself I'm never going to use python 3 :P
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix I knwe it :)
 
@JacobVlijm Well without a base of "normal" you can't tell that you're not normal.
Just like colorblind people can't know they're colorblind without someone else's point of reference.
 
6:16 PM
@JacobVlijm Your great answer on arranging icons onto desktop grid (already upvoted last year) has got me started on new project to do it in bash and to multiple monitors: askubuntu.com/questions/1146175/…
 
"not normal" not being the best way to put it but w/e
 
@Seth there are really good tests for it to determine your brain strategy, it's just that most high schools (or schools at all) don'
t understand the phenomena
 
yeah.. that's an issue too.
 
6:28 PM
@Terrance Holistic view it is! :-) ;-)
@Seth I'm normal! It's you lot that are all crazy!
>:-) ;-)
 
^ Looks alcoHolistic
 
@JacobVlijm :D :D :D
 
Hehe
 
Talking about alcoholistic, I need another drink!
 
6:31 PM
You need another drunk?
 
@JacobVlijm I need a few more drinks before arriving at that stage!
 
I'll let you know when I'm there, and then I'll need another drunk to continue drinking!
 
still a few more hours before my first beer. It's when I get my best coding done... until number 4 or 5 that is
 
Alcohol releases creativity.
Caffeine releases focus!
So first have a few beers, sit back and think...
 
6:33 PM
And coffee in the morning helps offset beer from night before :P
 
... then have a few coffees and only then do your coding!
;P ;-)
AFK. BRB.
 
Coffee is interesting stuff. Spiders can make a web on all kinds of drugs they found out. On coffee, it' s a mess.
@WinEunuuchs2Unix we are popular among crooks :) meta.askubuntu.com/a/18649/72216
 
...Or it is a conspiracy @Fabby. They are deleting all users who voted for us.
 
@JacobVlijm Nah: it's revenge: We posted an answer that resulted in a user losing all of his data on all of his backups, so he self-deleted his account!
>:-) ;-)
 
6:44 PM
:)
 
@JacobVlijm I bet it was bytey doing a search on the database ending up doing a delete
 
:D :D :D
 
I am SURE he is @Rinzwind
Now I am hurt. HE lost more then I did meta.askubuntu.com/questions/18646/…
 
I am on 280 :=)
 
@Rinzwind Good point (pun intended) we lost rep after @ByteCommander became mod and he accidentally ran the script titled "Warning to new mods don't run this script unless you fully understand it"
5
 
6:49 PM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix "ok we told you how it works now you do it!"
wait
 
@JacobVlijm How many points did you loose? I could look it up but you know that's sooo much work :)
 
he did it out of revenge :D
 
lol windy hush now you made 2 points out of the fiasco!!!!
 
He read "Don't run for mod unless you fully understand it" <- He read it too late :)
 
6:51 PM
I am on -205 @WinEunuuchs2Unix
 
bytes gonna come back into the room and give us all 24 hour suspensions lmao
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix 2 days ago. today -280 :=)
 
Luckily I only lost 65 over this whole thing.
 
@Terrance yeah, he didn't like you.
(or she)
 
oh 2 days ago I lost 18 yesterday I lost 425... if this happens again tomorrow I'll really flip
 
6:52 PM
@JacobVlijm I get that sometimes. :)
 
Haha.
 
yesterday=today in UTC.... tomorrow=today in UTC or something like that scratches head and thinks of beer earlier than normal
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix don't tempt me ;)
 
ok need name votes for my new project... How about "icon-doit"?
 
6:54 PM
5 mins ago, by WinEunuuchs2Unix
@Rinzwind Good point (pun intended) we lost rep after @ByteCommander became mod and he accidentally ran the script titled "Warning to new mods don't run this script unless you fully understand it"
 
see @JacobVlijm -he- is scoping the rom
@WinEunuuchs2Unix the icon thingy you posted?
 
the long name would be "desktop-icon-manager"...windy yes
 
Yeah, he is lost. Did you see "I, legend" ? @Rinzwind
 
but there used to be an old saying "I can do it".... or Nike ad "just do it".... so I'm thinking "icon-doit" has a nice ring to it.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix how about "dim" >:-)
 
6:55 PM
I thought about dim!!!!!
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Link?
 
lol
@WinEunuuchs2Unix i read that as doit not do it
(as in droid w/o r)
 
3
Q: Desktop icons just dropped down left screen into never-never land

WinEunuuchs2UnixThis may be a self-answered question soon but, in the meantime I'm hoping there is an existing solution I can use in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with Unity Desktop. Here is my multi-monitor configuration: $ xrandr --current | grep " connected" HDMI-0 connected 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x a...

 
dim
No command 'dim' found, but there are 26 similar ones
dim: command not found
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix they never land?
 
6:57 PM
deicoma :D
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Are you creating your own solution?
 
problem is I already have program to dim three monitors and set color temperature and dawn and dusk over hour or so. don't want to confuse myself with name "dim".
 
Creating his own problem :)
 
he is
 
@Fabby yes but I need a name to give my bash script...
 
6:58 PM
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Q: Flag declined because OP edited their answer in the meantime and I wasn't notified

double-beepI raised a custom in need of moderator intervention flag on this post because it was a link-only answer (when I did). The user has also posted another link-only with the same link. So, I found more appropriate to flag one post for moderator intervention and explain them the situation. In the mea...

 
demicon
 
sounds like demigod
:(
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Does your bash script contain at least one if or case statement??
 
that aint a bad thing :=)
@Fabby lol
 
@Fabby yeah it says "If username=fabby then rm -rf /"
 
6:59 PM
Good!
So it's an AI then!
 
In case it contains an if, then what?
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix icon-ai
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix that's a syntax error
 
Everything containing at least one if or case is called an "AI" nowadays!
 
"fabulous-icons" or "icon-fab" named after our good friend here :)
 
7:00 PM
iconic
 
^^^ nice
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix put "win" in it just for the heck of it
 
@JacobVlijm And it's available too!
iconic
No command 'iconic' found, did you mean:
 Command 'iconc' from package 'iconc' (universe)
 Command 'ironic' from package 'python-ironicclient' (universe)
 Command 'ironic' from package 'python3-ironicclient' (universe)
 
Seeeeee ^^^
I suck at programming today. Need to take my loss. Get drunk. Or coffee? I'll decide when I get downstairs.
 
iconic is an icon set on kde
 
7:02 PM
I like iconic but it sounds egotistical :(
 
egotestical?
 
@JacobVlijm :D :D :D
@WinEunuuchs2Unix icontesticle
 
lullig he :)
 
@JacobVlijm :D :D :D
 
yeah as a programmer I don't want to call my app "legend" or "iconic" or "see the greatest program on earth I wrote" if they sound egotistical
 
7:03 PM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Just call it iconic and be done with it!
 
@Fabby don't want to offend the female users :P
 
Everyone here agrees it's the best name!
 
@Fabby iconic it is then :) Thanks guys!!!!!
 
Yay!
(wlaking downstairs. Later!)
 
since you guys named it you have to write it for me now :P
 
7:05 PM
Ciao!
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix I have to charge 250 USD an hour. Not allowed to code outside my contract :=)
 
hmm I make less than $25/hr in warehouse... thanks for depressing me
lol...j/k
I have long term plans for mastering bash, then python, then SQL, then LAMP and then selling software at $250K per app. Right now I'm still on bash step though...hehe
 
7:40 PM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix bash is useless in real life :=)
 
@Rinzwind It's very slow parsing 5,000 gmail message meta data records into GUI...
 
you use python for that
 
...I was supposed to be converting scripts to python today but "iconic" project got into way
 
heck you use python for anything >:)
Python for coding, for killing people it is so versatile
 
Yes Serge urged me into Python two years ago... Like I said I have begun learning it... hard to morph from procedural language programming to Object Orientated Python Programing though....
 
7:46 PM
true.
 
^^^ iconic main screen. Time for break :)
 
what a small screen :=)
 
@Rinzwind 50" is small?
 
8:05 PM
you know at this rate iconic will be finished tomorrow. but now I have to think about buying some beer...
of course you guys picked the name "iconic" so you get 50% of all the revenues from free copy and paste bash script in Ask Ubuntu.
 
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Q: Obtaining webcam images in rawest possible form?

RetractedMy laptop is running Ubuntu. All of the applications that I have seen to capture from the webcam produce images that have been passed through brightness, hue and contrast adjustments. Is it possible to get the absolutely raw data from the webcam, that has not been processed at all? DSLRs produce ...

 
8:53 PM
@Fabby 100" against my wall :=)
 
Ah! the Projector!
I forgot!
 
9:04 PM
Projector is on my to-do list.... maybe I should add support for four monitors
 
9:17 PM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix there's also a difference between when you should use procedural and when you should use object oriented. specifically when you have mandatory 100% test coverage. writing unit tests for OO code is a pita.
 
@RobotHumans Because the data encapsulates programming?
haha sorry don't know what i'm talking about.... just trying to fit in :P
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix because you have to set up a class and you can't just mock and patch if you do it OO. if you do it procedurally, you know ins and outs immediately.
I got in to trouble because my test code was as large as my production code, because unit tests turned in to integration tests.
 
@RobotHumans I'm not big on unit testing, functional testing, integration testing, etc. etc. I just test everything.
I have written programs to test programs though...
 
Some coworkers liked my tests because they actually tested functionality and didn't just light up the code coverage board, which was the requirement.
That is, lighting up the code coverage board was the requirement. The tests didn't have to do anything, but some people liked my tests because they actually tested things.
 
9:44 PM
@ThomasWard is it normal for me to lose 125 rep from a removed user?
that just seems like a lot
 
Have a look at literally any of the meta sites
Yes, some user (or users?) were deleted last night, and they had lots of votes across the network.
 
@AndroidDev 280 here :=)
 
10:31 PM
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Q: Virtualbox guest additions on Ubuntu host and Manjaro guest

FarzadI've installed Manjaro in a guest VM on an Ubuntu 18.10 host, but I cannot make the guest additions work in my Manjaro guest. I've installed kernel 5.1.1-2 in Manjaro, and the output of uname -r is: 5.1.1-2-MANJARO Then, I tried installing virtualbox-guest-utils, and when I do that it gives m...

 
10:58 PM
@AndroidDev 425 lost points here. I'm wondering if someone wrote a script to delete users who haven't signed on in a year or something like that....
 
11:32 PM
now if everyone could just get over those couple of points and move on...
 
11:42 PM
@ByteCommander I already read that link. You can delete my last message and convert it to a comment :P
 
what?
 
hehe just kidding... congrats on being mod... seriously!!!
today you deleted two answers where I screenshoted my point loss and said "you should know better" remember?
I noticed Thomas lost about 125 points over two days too. I really don't feel hard done by anymore.
 
yes, I did. because they didn't answer the question
and the large screenshot took over a whole page on screen
 
Yeah I know they didn't answer the question. It was more of a protest answer over the whole point loss thingy :)
 
and that's something we don't need here...
 
11:45 PM
Every morning I turn on my computer to see how many points I gained overnight. I choked on my coffee seeing 425 point drop.
Yeah you're right protest answers are bad. Sorry about that :(
 
it's okay, no grudges held
 
Ha I bet mods aren't allowed to hold grudges anyway !!!@ :P
That's probably in Mod 101 ;)
 
🤔
 
hehe
I got "iconic" code upgrade from 1 bash GUI screen to bash 4 tab notebook now... this is fun
 
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