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TheXed

12:08 AM

hi

Nathan Osman

Hello.

Andrea Lazzarotto

@Seth if I am not mistaken, you should have the power to delete spam. Would you mind checking out this?

https://askubuntu.com/questions/884836/how-to-get-best-mumbai-escortt-ubuntu

Thanks

Seth

@AndreaLazzarotto eeek. nuked. Thanks for reporting!

Andrea Lazzarotto

awesome, thanks

Seth

$&#$^#. wrong button. Anyway, it's taken care of

@NathanOsman Do you have something out of band that's not hangouts that you use regularly? Trying to phase myself off that untrustworthy platform.

Nathan Osman

12:23 AM

Well... not really, no.

I have Signal and I have uTox but...

Seth

Okay. I guess it'll be fine for insensitive stuff for now.

Nathan Osman

...Signal requires the other people to be using it and uTox is even worse since it has the same requirement and a terrible UI.

Seth

@NathanOsman I can never manage to keep a tox profile alive long enough to be worth anything. I have Signal though.

Nathan Osman

I'm tossing around the idea of finishing up Chatr, my SE chat clone.

Then people could run their own instances.

But... time :D

Seth

I'm getting close to pulling out of hangouts altogether and just putting other contact info as my status but I'm not there yet.

Nathan Osman

12:24 AM

Hangouts just works. If there was anything else similar, I'd have moved to it long ago.

Seth

@NathanOsman it's called Telegram :D

It's not exactly more secure, but it's out of Google's hands anyway.

Nathan Osman

Same with Slack.

I use that in a few places.

Seth

@NathanOsman I should say out of Google's hands and out of US jurisdiction.

Nathan Osman

Ah.

Yes, Chatr will solve that one - you can host it wherever you want.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

12:46 AM

US Jurisdiction isn't such a big deal once we do a reverse-takeover, get them to swallow poison pill and flush out all the liberal fascist nazi extremist fundamentalist radicals at Berkeley and San Jose... or something like that... the current WIP plan :)

Seth

...

Kaz Wolfe

1:33 AM

hey @NathanOsman

have you seen the OP4 rumors yet?

Nathan Osman

Nope.

What are they saying?

Kaz Wolfe

apparently we're getting an SD slot

dual-cameras touted as well

4400mAh battery

still all rumors and speculation though. so take this with a grain of salt. Release ETA is currently mid/late march (earliest?)

Nathan Osman

Shhh... don't tell @Zacharee1 about the SD slot.

Kaz Wolfe

he's gonna capitalize on that word, "rumor"

also, snap 835 rumored.

and after those things, it's all even worse rumors with zero source

possible 2k being on that list

Seth

1:57 AM

Wow. I've only not visited Ask Ubuntu on 13 days in the last 5 years O_O

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Congrats Seth

I trust you fell off a cliff and were in a hospital on the other days :p

Hey @TheXed long time no see... How's life in Illinois?

Nathan Osman

2:15 AM

I've visited 1906 days out of 2397.

I've missed 491.

Still, that's better than 75%.

Zacharee1

835 is all taken by Samsung

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Wait a second... my first two years here shouldn't count because I wasn't here. Only the last six months since I was here every day should count!

I was in ubuntu forums for the first two years in reality :(

Collecting coffee beans instead of points...haha

TheXed

@WinEunuuchs2Unix sunny and warm...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@TheXed Weather here has been unusually mild as well... I call it Trump effect.

TheXed

I call it damn lucky...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

2:21 AM

.... that works for me!

TheXed

Tomorrow it is supposed to be in the 70's, then by the end of the week back to seasonal weather...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Yeah we were in the 60's last week when we should have been below zero.

TheXed

So we enjoy it while we can...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Like they said 20 years ago "live life day by day"

Nathan Osman

Well, that's a new one. The bluetooth service just crashed.

I've never seen that happen before.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

2:26 AM

reboot your machine?

Nathan Osman

Na, I can just restart the service.

But I wonder why it died.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Well that is kind of what I meant... I just forget syntax for "systemd.restart bluetooth.service" so saying "reboot" is easier :)

Nathan Osman

sudo systemctl start bluetooth

WinEunuuchs2Unix

People say bluetooth is buggy in Ubuntu but I don't use it very often and when I did a few months ago it worked ok, although there was a lot of clicking here and there to get sony sub-woofer speaker brick thingy to work.

Serg

@NathanOsman I've been reading the chat's twitter . . . it's just amazing and horrifying at the same time. People who've never been to AU room probably might be asking what sort of illegal substances are consuming here

Nathan Osman

2:34 AM

LOL.

I'm tempted to star that :P

But I won't.

Serg

yes, keep them wondering

WinEunuuchs2Unix

touched by the hands of programmer god madnesses :)

Serg

Also, I came back to chat just to look up one of starred posts. I think it may have been one of mine

Nathan Osman

Honestly, my opinion is that anyone who clicks an ad talking about a banana with a picture of bacon on it is already well aware of what they're liable to be getting into.

(We hope.)

Serg

Some people are just curious, or easily susceptible. It's one of the reason why even in 2017 clickbait still works

WinEunuuchs2Unix

2:39 AM

There's lots of stuff said in twitter.... but at 140 characters it doesn't say a lot.

It's like 1 3/4 punch cards at 80 characters per card.

Serg

Also, remember that edge indicator I made today ? Turns out functionality is already implemented in compiz, and you can set it in CCSM.

So effectively I have spent half the day reinventing the wheel

WinEunuuchs2Unix

You mean the lower right corner hot spot?

Serg

Yeah, except it works by triggering on edges not corners

WinEunuuchs2Unix

There are six edges right? top left, top, top right, bottom right, bottom. bottom left, left and top left.

oops that's 9 but it's really 8 sheepish grin

^^^ Insert "right" between top right and bottom right double sheep

Nathan Osman

4:42 AM

77

Q: What is the significance of the start-up sound of a system?

What is the significance of start-up sound of a system, like mobile phones, operating systems etc.? What aspect of user experience does it enhance?

In case of Macs, it can also serve the function to announce to a whole silent library "hey, I have a Mac". — Andrea Lazzarotto Feb 13 at 15:59

LOL.

Seth

4:56 AM

@NathanOsman that is gold.

Zanna

7:00 AM

Hahaha

WinEunuuchs2Unix

haha?

Zanna

@Serg mostly we're not descendants of the Romans. They colonised the country, then abandoned it around 50AD iirc

@WinEunuuchs2Unix laughing at what Andrea said. Mac users smh

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Oh that...it was two hours ago... forgot all about it.

Zanna

@WinEunuuchs2Unix "toss" in cooking means mix it while looking very smug and susceptible to merciless punning

Yes I'm late haha

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Naa you're not late... good morning BTW... ok I'll toss it tomorrow... have to cut that big sucker into triangles slices though.

@Zanna Think you can point me in the right direction with a question I have after you've caught up with your to-dos? This grub background image question needs sed magic: askubuntu.com/questions/832524/…

well beditme for me....see you in 8 hours Zanna... happy editing :)

Jacob Vlijm

7:21 AM

Just got up, sleep well @WinEunuuchs2Unix ...

Zanna

7:36 AM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix sorry I went to get breakfast... is this the right link? I can't see what needs help or anything about GRUB background. I've already upvoted both Q&A here....

Byte Commander

1:09 PM

@NathanOsman Is your SE Chat status server down? My chat pages keep loading indefinitely and the icons don't show up. When I disable your userscript it turns back normal.

David Foerster

1:20 PM

I led my first Pen & Paper Role-Playing game last night. :> (Original Dungeons & Dragons)

Games were friggin' hard back then.

Even during the first dungeon level of the introductory adventure half of the party would have died if not for reduced monster count/strength and a house rule on sub-zero hit point count (that made it into later D&D editions).

user136984

How exactly do you join this new YouTube Heros program?

user136984

I don't know too much about it, but it sounded interesting.

user136984

:)

terdon

duckduckgo.com/?q=YouTube+Heros ?

user136984

1:38 PM

Yeah... Unfortunately I don't think they would accept me. I'm not very active on my Hamster channel at the moment. ;)

user136984

The reason for looking at the program is that apparently you can flag videos without going to them... Which would be preferable if I'm going to flag some of the content I've seen popping up in various places from time to time.

terdon

What have you seen on youtube that's flag-worthy?

user136984

Well, you see, because Google thinks I am a 35-year-old lesbian woman I get all sorts of strange sex related adverts which sometimes are for YouTube videos supposedly... Though I have obviously never clicked on any of them. I don't have any plans of going to these videos of things that really aren't legal and shouldn't be up there, but I would like YouTube to remove them and stop the users who post that sort of thing.

user136984

So I was just looking for a way of reporting such things without having to actually go to them.

user136984

I would also like preferably to stop seeing adverts for them, so if they are removed, then the adverts will probably go away.

Journeyman Geek

1:48 PM

@ParanoidPanda YOU'RE NOT?

more seriously, yeah, I get mostly what you mean

user136984

I don't know why Google thinks that I am a 35-year-old lesbian woman, but it has thought so ever since I set up the account and I only ever really search for computer and Panda related things so it must be some sort of bug.

user136984

I wish I could get my adblocker working too... It seems to be competing with some other add-on making it inactivate at times.

terdon

What makes you think it thinks you're a 35 year old lesbian woman? If it is sending you to lesbian porn, it probably thinks you're a young, straight male.

Journeyman Geek

I'm pretty sure it thinks I'm an american redneck ;p

(I find woodworking videos calming, and occationally watch gun stuff)

user136984

It says so in the ad settings. :D

Journeyman Geek

1:52 PM

0_0

Zacharee1

wat

jokerdino

wat

user136984

I have tried changing it, but it always get set back.

jokerdino

Oh you mean the adsense predictions.

terdon

OK, now I'm intrigued. Where is this setting?

user136984

1:53 PM

And I can also never seem to convince it to show me gardening adverts...

user136984

@terdon: It's in the account ad settings.

terdon

@ParanoidPanda Where, I don't see anything.

Ah, I do now that I turned it on. Why in the world do you have it turned on, anyway?

user136984

I don't, it keeps turning itself back on again.

terdon

Don't see any sexual orientation guesses. It just says "make 25-44" which is true enough.

user136984

@terdon: It used to, but now it seems to have decreased the settings you can actually set.

user136984

1:56 PM

Which means that even though I get so many of these adverts I'm sure it still thinks that, I can't change it in any way.

user136984

Nor can I tick the "Gardening" box any more.

user136984

:(

WinEunuuchs2Unix

2:07 PM

@Zanna you had the right question but I rewrote it to put a short version at the top because it wasn't clear having it below all the coding: askubuntu.com/questions/884858/…

Zanna

2:18 PM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix that's definitely not the post I was looking at earlier o.O I will check it out later

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Zanna Your help is invaluable. Thank you :)

Zacharee1

T-Mobile is 2 weeks overdue on this tower upgrade.

Seth

2:39 PM

Falcon 9 Liftoff!

CRS-10 Hosted Webcast

►

Zacharee1

3:18 PM

Wat

Pilot6

4:03 PM

askubuntu.com/a/884988/167850 So funny. The guy posted a rant as an answer, and then TWICE downvoted the answer and my question. Probably downvoted all other answers but only once )))

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Pilot6 That guys a jerk. I +1'd you to make up for his childish behavior.

Pilot6

And it looks like he has 2 accounts. Upvoted himself and downvoted twice at the same time.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Zanna I solved the question 90% now I just need a simple sed search and replace in the WIP answer I posted just now: askubuntu.com/questions/884858/…

Byte Commander

Sounds like a need for an orbital strike...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Pilot6 Isn't SE smart enough to see two account names from same IP?

Byte Commander

4:12 PM

(the sockpuppetry)

@WinEunuuchs2Unix They might be aware of it, but they don't take immediate automatic action unless enough suspicious behaviour is detected

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@ByteCommander Can we all raise flags for the mods to look at those circumstances?

Byte Commander

Many people have valid secondary accounts and even more people use the same public IPs with different accounts.

Jacob Vlijm

@Pilot6 the double account could be checked by a mod by ip. Maybe flag it?

Byte Commander

One mod flag should be enough.

They have to read through them manually anyway, so why spam them?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Well.... if it's @ThomasWard... then....

hahah j/k

@ByteCommander yes of course we don't want to spam them.... some reason I thought there would be one flag with a total count.

Pilot6

4:15 PM

I do not know what is the second account. I've got 2 downvotes on the question and answer immediately after I commented on that one. And the musbach's answer got an upvote.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Yup and we all know you can't upvote yourself. He might have a pal on the cell-phone or instant messenger though he colluded with. It might not be same IP address at this point.

We don't want to be the "boy who cried wolf" (old english childhood fairy tale) and loose credibility with mods who like byte said are overworked as it is.

On a positive note I haven't said how much I "LOVE UBUNTU!" and programming in bash and control over machine is FANTASTIC~! :)

Zanna

@WinEunuuchs2Unix oh I've been fiddling with it, I created some interesting race conditions lol

btw, unless I am gravely mistaken, copying /etc/default/grub to /boot/grub/grub.cfg is not at all the same as running update-grub and by rights should make the system unbootable

Jacob Vlijm

Ah, @ByteCommander I missed the call for a flag was already done. No reason to multi-flag, but a serious suspicion of one user empowering himself with multiple accounts is a valid reason to flag.

Zanna

here's my sed part @WinEunuuchs2Unix...

cl-netbox

Good afternoon ! :)

Jacob Vlijm

4:24 PM

Hey @cl-netbox!

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Zanna I've actually created zap_boot which changes grub time out to 0.0, reboots and after reboot changes time out back to 10. All directly to grub.cfg with no ill effects. running sudo update-grub takes too long because I have 4 windows OS and 20 kernel versions it updates menus for.

cl-netbox

@JacobVlijm Hello Jacob ! :) Nice to meet you ! :)

Jacob Vlijm

Same to you!

Zanna

but @WinEunuuchs2Unix my grub.cfg looks like this paste.ubuntu.com/24027752

but whatever, I guess you know better

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I don't know better, I've shot myself in the foot lots of times!

I'm running diff command on the two files after I figure out proper parameters

Jacob Vlijm

4:28 PM

@Pilot6 if it s true, pathetic if someone +1 's his own comment....

cl-netbox

@WinEunuuchs2Unix that must have hurt a lot :D

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@cl-netbox It explains my awkward gait :p

Pilot6

@JacobVlijm This happened after someone +1 my comments )))

Jacob Vlijm

Maybe he sends himself a Christmas card as well haha

Pilot6

))))

WinEunuuchs2Unix

4:29 PM

@Zanna you are right but I have to find the differences:

$ diff -q /etc/default/grub /boot/grub/grub.cfg
Files /etc/default/grub and /boot/grub/grub.cfg differ

cl-netbox

@Pilot6 strange, strange ... :)

Pilot6

@WinEunuuchs2Unix These are comletely different files

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Pilot6 Hmmm... back to the drawing board!... good thing I just ran "sudo update-grub" and I never rebooted in between :p

Pilot6

You do not need to run diff. Just look at them

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Doing that now... I was going off of memory on first go around... obviously not to be trusted!

@Zanna and @Pilot6 you two are totally right of course. I need to do sed twice: once on /boot/grub/grub.cfg and on /default/boot/grub.

Pilot6

4:35 PM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I see no reason to edit grub.cfg

Zanna

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I don't know which variable in your script should be going into the file, but I had sed -i '/BACKGROUND/ s|/640.*|/'$(basename "$f")'|' /path/to/test/file

where $f is the next file

cl-netbox

@Pilot6 I agree @WinEunuuchs2Unix ! :)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Zanna Basically I'm at the stage of searching for "$CURR_FILE" and replacing it with "$NEXT_FILE" in /boot/grub/grub.cfg and in /etc/default/grub. I've looked at both files now and in the first file the image occurs once and in the second file the image occurs twice. No need to search for prefix (BACKGROUND) now.

Pilot6

@WinEunuuchs2Unix What is your goal? It seems that you are doing something terribly wrong

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Pilot6 this Q&A I started last night and worked on this morning: askubuntu.com/questions/884858/…

I just unearthed this code from a few months ago that works fine that I can copy off of:

sudo sed -i 's/set\ timeout=10/set\ timeout=00/' /boot/grub/grub.cfg
sudo reboot

^^^ I think @Zanna helped me write that on Oct 8/2016 :)

terdon

4:47 PM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix There's no need to escape the space, by the way.

And if you run sed -i on system files, always use -i.bak so you keep a copy of the original, just in case.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@terdon I wish I could escape this space I'm in though p

terdon

:)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I've got the code rewritten now and will test it on /etc/default/grub only the first time.

terdon

Sure, just pointing out possible pitfalls :)

You could also remove a UUoC by changing all cat foo | grep into grep foo. There's no need for cat.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@terdon I've already fallen in the pit... I need a ladder

Anyway code isn't working:

sed -i 's/set\ "$CURR_FILE/set\ "$NEXT_FILE"/' /etc/default/grub

oops I see missing double quote!

terdon

4:51 PM

yes, you have the sed command in single quotes so the variables won't be expanded.

And you's using CAPITAL variable names which is not a very good idea in shell scripts

Since the env vars are CAPS, that can confuse things if you inadvertently use a reserved word.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

really many of the examples I've seen use all caps for variable names. I've been doing that since day one thinking it was convention.

Jacob Vlijm

There's never need for cat. Yet, I'm stuck with one.

terdon

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I know, I've never understood why.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@terdon So I need to put sed command in double quotes as well? After all the file names could contain blanks so the variables have to be double quoted.

terdon

Probably precisely because env vars are caps.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix What are you trying to replace exactly? What's the input line?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

4:54 PM

$ sudo /usr/local/bin/cron-reboot-cycle-grub-background
Grub line:    GRUB_BACKGROUND="/home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-winter-cottage.jpg"
Current file: /home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-winter-cottage.jpg
First file:   /home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-denisemila.jpg
Match file:   /home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-winter-cottage.jpg
Next file:    /home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-denisemila.jpg

terdon

And yes, if you want the shell variable to be available to sed, you need to have the sed expression double quoted

WinEunuuchs2Unix

The variable names are $CURR_FILE, $MATCH_FILE and $NEXT_FILE

Zanna

@WinEunuuchs2Unix you can also turn the strong quoting off like sed 's/something and '"$foo"'/something and '"$bar"'/'

terdon

$ cat file
GRUB_BACKGROUND="/home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-winter-cottage.jpg"
$ sed "s|GRUB_BACKGROUND=\"[^\"]*|GRUB_BACKGROUND=\"$match\"|" file
GRUB_BACKGROUND="/home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-winter-cottage.jpg""

There were a few issues there: i) variables don't get expanded in dingle quotes; ii) your variable contained /, so that broke the s/// operator. You need to use a different delimiter (I am using | in the example above) and iii) You need to escape the double quotes that are inside the match pattern.

Erm

And that example would have been more effective had I not used the same original and replacement name.

$ match="/home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-denisemila.jpg"
$ cat file
GRUB_BACKGROUND="/home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-winter-cottage.jpg"
$ sed "s|GRUB_BACKGROUND=\"[^\"]*|GRUB_BACKGROUND=\"$match\"|" file
GRUB_BACKGROUND="/home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-denisemila.jpg""

There you go.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

searching on BACKGROUND only works for the first file, it doesn't work for the second file containing:

background_image -m stretch /home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-winter-cottage.jpg

if background_image /home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-winter-cottage.jpg; then

Can't we just search on "$CURR_FILE" and replace it with "$NEXT_FILE"? We don't have to use sed

terdon

5:00 PM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Sure, that's much easier:

WinEunuuchs2Unix

maybe VIM is the way to go?

terdon

$ orig="/home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-winter-cottage.jpg"
$ new="/home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-denisemila.jpg"
$ sed "s|$orig|$new|g" file
GRUB_BACKGROUND="/home/rick/Pictures/Wallpaper/640x480-denisemila.jpg"
$

WinEunuuchs2Unix

That works great... except it dumps the entire file contents to terminal which won't matter when running in background I guess, excpet it would spam /var/log/syslog right?

terdon

@WinEunuuchs2Unix No, it only dumps because I didn't use -i. If you do, nothing is printed to the terminal.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

awww... thanks!

terdon

5:07 PM

no problem

WinEunuuchs2Unix

How can I give you points / credit for your hard work but more importantly patience with my ignorance? can you post answer on: askubuntu.com/questions/884858/…

cl-netbox

@terdon Good evening terdon ! :) Everything set up on your new machine ? How is your experience ?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

5:23 PM

ok time to spend some time rebooting to admire the new grub background lots of you contributed to :) I've updated the answer giving pilot, zanna and terdon credit. hopefully I didn't miss anyone. Please let me know if I did.

Zanna

I did nothing...

cl-netbox

@Zanna Can't believe it ... hahaha ... Good evening Zanna ! :)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

IT WORKS LIKE A CHARM!

Zanna

evening :)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I was tempted to spend the next 1 hour rebooting to see new grub background image each time.

cl-netbox

5:26 PM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Great - Congrats ! :)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@cl-netbox I forgot to give you credit for comment on shooting feet.

Zacharee1

help

Zanna

@WinEunuuchs2Unix haha \o/

@Zacharee1 s'up?

cl-netbox

@WinEunuuchs2Unix :D :D :D

Zacharee1

internet dying

cl-netbox

5:28 PM

@Zacharee1 sudo internet reset :D

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Zacharee1 remove vowels from your words and only use constants for quicker messaging before final death of internet.

Zacharee1

can't even load router webpage

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@cl-netbox That would make a great sci-fi movie plot when someone rebooted the entire internet by accident.

cl-netbox

@WinEunuuchs2Unix yes indeed :D

Zacharee1

pls

WinEunuuchs2Unix

5:30 PM

We should forward transcript of chatroom to hollywood and you could get commision.

Someone just replied to a comment from September 2016 haha: askubuntu.com/questions/824189/…

Nathan Osman

@ByteCommander I think my Linode is somehow inaccessible. All my websites are externally invisible and the monitoring system too.

terdon

@cl-netbox So far so good. The touchpad doesn't work very well on Linux (I need to test on Windows) but I don't really use it anyway so I don't care. And it gets very hot under load, but the throttling seems to keep it running. Overall I am quite satisfied though.

Pilot6

@terdon

Did you look into that "bug"?

Nathan Osman

Maybe Traefik crashed...

Pilot6

It is comletely unrelated.

Seth

5:40 PM

Serg

So, funny junk: we have these new printers in the labs, where you can log in to retrive your print jobs. When you log in with username, it asks for password, but if you use your student ID number . . . . guess, what - no password necessary. So someone could still steal private info you printed . . . .

@Seth that's just . . . redundant

Jacob Vlijm

Yuck, I hate "commands" like this to vote/accept: askubuntu.com/a/885068/72216

terdon

@Pilot6 Maybe so, but that would only make the post a bad or wrong answer, not a "not an answer".

Serg

@JacobVlijm Commands ? comments like these are perfectly fine.

Pilot6

This is an "I am have this problem too" comment. musbach created that bug report, that is not actually a bug and tried to attract attention to it

Serg

5:44 PM

@JacobVlijm meta.askubuntu.com/a/16315/295286

Pilot6

It is not an answer. It is like " I posted this problem here and there"

@terdon

Zanna

@JacobVlijm me too

Jacob Vlijm

@Serg it is the tone in which you put it. This one gives me the creaps.

Seth

@Serg no, they're not. But you can get away with it if you do it carefully.

terdon

@Pilot6 It is an answer. It is stating (whether correctly or not is irrelevant) that this is a known bug on non-EFI boards.

Serg

5:45 PM

@Seth We've meta post about it, see the link to what I provided. I think Jacob said it a bit better - it depends on the tone.

Pilot6

"This" is a specific error message. It can't be found on a non UEFI MB. And a "known bug" is wrong. @terdon

terdon

@Pilot6 Then maybe it is a wrong answer. Downvote it. It's just not a NAA.

Serg

I mean " link I provided in message to Jacob" meta.askubuntu.com/a/16315/295286

Pilot6

This answer is actually a question regarding completely irrelevant problem, that's why it is NAA

Jacob Vlijm

@Serg I only say it -politely- if I am convinced OP is not familiar with accepting (ok, and once when I was in an extremely bad mood)

Pilot6

5:49 PM

Let's ask askubuntu.com/a/884988/167850 Is it an answer. the referred bug was reported by the "answerer". They thing that is the same problem. It is actually a badly built custom module.

Serg

Also, Engrish question, guys . . . .When a user makes a request to add some kind of feature, well that's feature request . . . but what do you call something a developer himself puts as feature request ? For example, if I submit issue to myself on github, what is that called ?

@JacobVlijm yep, same here.

terdon

@Pilot6 No, it isn't a question. It isn't asking anything. It is a user stating that this is actually a known bug. Again, whether it is or not is completely irrelevant, stating that "X is a known bug, here's the bug report" is an answer.

@Serg A feature request. You're requesting a feature, you just happen to be requesting it of yourself.

Pilot6

Did you notice that the "known bug" was just reported by the same person?

terdon

@Pilot6 Yes, and once more: that is completely irrelevant.

If you feel it's not useful, downvote. But it is, strictly speaking, an answer.

Pilot6

OK I can report a hundred irrelevant bugs and post everywhere answers saying that this is a known bug to attract attention? Will it be an answer?

@terdon And what about duplicate downvoting? As soon as i posted a comment to that "answer" I got TWO downvotes on the question and TWO downvotes on the answer.

terdon

5:56 PM

@Pilot6 Seriously, extrapolating from one to a hundred? That's not an argument.

@Pilot6 OK, so? I have no way of knowing who downvoted and neither do you.

Pilot6

This means that someone is using two accounts

terdon

Or that two people downvoted you. Maybe none of them was the OP, maybe one of them was, maybe they both were. You have no way of knowing.

I mean, I am looking into it, if there's sock puppet voting going on, that's not cool.

But that is a completely separate issue.

cl-netbox

@terdon what is a sock puppet ?

Pilot6

And I got some other downvotes at the same time on good posts.

terdon

Sockpuppet (Internet)

A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception. The term, a reference to the manipulation of a simple hand puppet made from a sock, originally referred to a false identity assumed by a member of an Internet community who spoke to, or about, themselves while pretending to be another person. The term now includes other misleading uses of online identities, such as those created to praise, defend or support a person or organization, to manipulate public opinion, or to circumvent a suspension or ban from a website. A significant difference between the use of a pseudonym and t...

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