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David Foerster

8:01 AM

hi

Zanna

afternoon @AhmedAl-attar :)

David Foerster

are questions about issues with the installation of a specific applications in wine on topic?

Ahmed Al-attar

@Zanna how was your day ?

@DavidFoerster hi

edwinksl

@Zanna yeah i guess it should be reopened since answers in dupe target apparently didn't work

you are also the in-house steam expert, so we are relying on you

Zanna

@AhmedAl-attar for me it's 0913 so not much to speak of yet, breakfast was good :) But I'm feeling kind of unwell, maybe I'm getting the 'flu or something

@edwinksl haha their problem is dpkg/APT I think, not Steam

I voted to reopen

@AhmedAl-attar how about you?

Ahmed Al-attar

8:05 AM

ouh, cheer up , eat extra orange and candy :P

Zanna

good idea, thanks :)

Ahmed Al-attar

just wokeup , drinking coffee and still am feeling sleepy

Zanna

ahh so it is morning for you too?

Ahmed Al-attar

its 11:00 am

Zanna

then good morning!

Ahmed Al-attar

8:07 AM

@zanna where are you from ?

thank you hahaha

Zanna

From the UK

and still in the UK

Ahmed Al-attar

timezone is so funny hahaha

Zanna

what a stick in the mud

Ahmed Al-attar

please can you exchange region ? :P

i love cloudy days.

Zanna

@AhmedAl-attar I enjoy the mix of timezones here :)

@AhmedAl-attar depends what you've got, cloudy is definitely not my bag - are you offering sunshine and vegan food? if so, it's a deal...

Ahmed Al-attar

8:09 AM

yeah exaclty what am offering lol

Zanna

I'll take it, when can we arrange this?

Ahmed Al-attar

its up to you :)

last time i came to uk , its was like 6 years ago

Zanna

OK :) I'm not very organised though

Ahmed Al-attar

stayed in greenford

me to lol

Zanna

I used to live near to greenford

you were there before me though!

I moved to London in 2012

Ahmed Al-attar

8:11 AM

last time i wokeup early , and i saw the mist and freenish cloudy weather i was like wt...

like a child seeing a large balloon lol

my little sister lives in uk , with her husband

edwinksl

heh last time i was in london, i was staying near blackfriars station

Zanna

@AhmedAl-attar ah nice :) I hope?

edwinksl

i recall walking past tate modern

Ahmed Al-attar

@zanna

yes lol

Zanna

what were you doing in London @edwinksl ?

edwinksl

8:14 AM

traveling

sadly i probably spent a grand total of 36 hours in london

Ahmed Al-attar

@edwinksl whats your feedback ? :P

edwinksl

a significant portion of which was spent in heathrow

eh, i personally like london

i am a big city kind of person

Zanna

Heathrow is not very nice. Schiphol is the best airport I've visited...

Ahmed Al-attar

your a happy person , cool lol

edwinksl

anyway i wouldn't say i have visited london at all; it was a transit for me and my friends to continental europe...

Zanna

8:18 AM

I am a big city person, but any big city nibbles away at your soul at times, I think

edwinksl

my all-time big city favorite is tokyo though :)

Ahmed Al-attar

@edwinksl where are you from ?

edwinksl

it truly has tons of people

singapore

Zanna

sigh I really want to go to Japan

Ahmed Al-attar

cool

edwinksl

8:20 AM

so me and UK go way back

Ahmed Al-attar

me too , i want to go there

Zanna

@edwinksl my apologies...

Ahmed Al-attar

i want to try saky :P

edwinksl

@Zanna eh, UK overall did more good than harm to singapore

Ahmed Al-attar

spelling check :P

edwinksl

8:21 AM

their greatest sin is probably not actually defending us against the japanese in WWII

or rather they did a piss poor job at that

Ahmed Al-attar

your talking about singapore , in WW2 ?

edwinksl

yeah

Ahmed Al-attar

ouh

edwinksl

History would consider the capture of the Malayan Peninsula and Singapore among the Japanese Army’s greatest wartime achievements. For Churchill it was among Britain’s worst Far Eastern defeats. Without a doubt, the tragic loss of Singapore in 1942 remained in Churchill’s memory for years to come.

that said, churchill is one hell of a controversial figure

Zanna

I hate that guy

edwinksl

8:26 AM

yeah he was extremely racist even by the standards of his day

Zanna

arch racist

edwinksl

agree

apparently he is still voted the greatest briton? bbc.com/news/magazine-29701767

Zanna

smh yeah I am so ashamed

David Foerster

he had many important achievements as a statesman despite his shortcomings

so i'd understand him being voted "among the greatest", but the greatest? surely there are better candidates.

Journeyman Geek

@DavidFoerster name one ;p

He just happened to be in the right place, at the right time, and had a great PR team, and extreme stubborness

David Foerster

8:38 AM

@JourneymanGeek you got me. i have to pass.

Journeyman Geek

and no one remembers your defeats as long as you win at the end

(or your victories, if you lose, and someone else writes the history books)

David Foerster

saying churchill was the greatest briton seems similar to me like when someone told me helmut kohl was the greatest german.

Journeyman Geek

@DavidFoerster What does greatest even mean tho?

David Foerster

sure, they had a tremendous (positive) influence on the recent history of their respective countries, but "greatest"… i don't know

Journeyman Geek

What defines greatness?

Zanna

8:40 AM

Our history education is outrageously jingoistic.

David Foerster

yeah, exacytly

Journeyman Geek

@Zanna its true in most places.

also as far as ww2 and singapore went...

the japanese were seriously underestimated, and the brits were prepared for ww1, Greatcoats in the tropics and all

The japanese made VERY good use of carrier base assets.

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek That may be, but especially inexcusable in our case I think

Journeyman Geek

They also pissed off the americans, which was dumb...

@Zanna but the point of history education isn't to educate, its quite heavily to indoctrinate ;p

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek oh absolutely

Journeyman Geek

8:43 AM

I mean, what's the point of the average person being forced to learn history?

David Foerster

@JourneymanGeek Wasn't that pretty much unavoidable for Japan if it wanted to expand its Pacific influence? I always thought that the US was mainly holding off on a war with Japan because of lack of public support not because they weren't actutally that interested in the Pacific.

Journeyman Geek

(as opposed to reading up due to interest, like I do)

@DavidFoerster Japan has far more soft power now than they did.

@DavidFoerster the japanese wanted dominion not influence tho

And many of their attitudes, especially towards the chinese was dumb

David Foerster

Just one particular kind of influence if you ask me

@JourneymanGeek That's what racist/nationalist attitudes are in general.

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek I think history is important, but I agree with you totally that it's done to produce an obedient and nationalistic population in my country at least. Actually I blame my country for spreading the model of education-as-indoctrination too...

Journeyman Geek

We have this thing called "national education"

edwinksl

8:48 AM

@JourneymanGeek hahaha i see where this is going

Journeyman Geek

Basically one part of it is trying to indoctrinate into us a 'singaporean identity'

which works. Most xenophobia ... local chinese have issues with folk from the mainland, local indians have issues with....

but singaporeans stick together

The other aspect is trying to make people think of the government somewhat paternally...

@edwinksl the new citizen package is amusing... we were helping someone access it since he had no computer.

David Foerster

Hehe, I guess it helps having educational competence entirely on state level because that relieves the need to tell people about "The Great Nation" (i. e. currently a federation of states).

Journeyman Geek

@DavidFoerster Well, it probably helps that I identify more in terms of a cultural tribe (geeks!) than racial or national identity

David Foerster

@JourneymanGeek I was referring to the education system not individual cultural identity.

Journeyman Geek

@DavidFoerster I feel identity has to be innate

@DavidFoerster I was referring to the whole education as indoctrination thing.

David Foerster

8:52 AM

It doesn't have to be but innate identity removes a lot of dependency on more or less arbitrary outside groups and No True Scotsman arguments.

Journeyman Geek

And states might not be any less jigotistic.

David Foerster

Difficult if the state doesn't have the power to declare or lead war.

Zanna

9:18 AM

does this look ok? askubuntu.com/questions/354934/use-grabc-in-python-script

jokerdino

Weird that he is using popen instead of subprocess.

hello you :)

Hi ?

hi

disputed ?

oh I get it

Zanna

9:24 AM

I don't get it, what are you talking about?

edwinksl

@Zanna looks off-topic to me

jokerdino

@Edity yeah

Edity

:D

Zanna

@edwinksl maybe but 5 votes needed for that :( I'd rather just upvote and move on

edwinksl

9:40 AM

@Zanna looks like your answer got unaccepted :(

Zanna

what answer?

I never saw any accept

so no worry

edwinksl

the sed one

it happened right in front of my eyes lol

it was green on your answer

and then no more

Zanna

shrug no worries:)

accept deserved by better answer :)

At least finally something I actually can answer arrived!

Edity

I don't know what to do now

Time to do stuff on the site now :)

edwinksl

@Zanna you can answer the one about PPA too

Edity

9:52 AM

@Serg umm.. i think someone is worshiping you...

cough cough chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/42559/easter-zone

ummmm

what should I do

I don't want worshipping users on my chat room

Journeyman Geek

The simple solution is to RUN AWAAAAYYYYY

Edity

Or trash them >:D

Zanna

@edwinksl I can? Maybe you can ;)

Edity

I'm confused now

Not only Henry's addicted to being a mod, he talks good about other users

I like it

user136984

There's been a delay, they will not be able to release Final Beta (2) until Monday.

Edity

9:59 AM

Huh? i hate delays!

user136984

And they like to do nothing on weekends. :P

Edity

what's delayed?

@ParanoidPanda what haz been delayed?

user136984

@Edity: The release of Final Beta (2).

user136984

As I said.

Edity

What Final Beta (2) ?

user136984

10:03 AM

How can you use Ubuntu and know nothing about how they release new releases?

Edity

OOOOOHHHH

I gets it.

user136984

@Edity: Here, have a look at this.

user136984

It should have been done on Thursday.

Edity

Lol

GR

pcworld.com/article/3123075/linux/…

^ Intel did it again, guys.

edwinksl

10:31 AM

why would anyone use linux in 2016 free os=like psn hackable and easily info stealing you can get any os free why linux if you play games on pc no need for linux since it cant even handle many games i tried linux on an amd pc and it also fails to install its not just intel chips but again it is 2016 time to use a real os for everyday useage not bashing linux its good if your dont like microsoft or apple

lol

Edity

lol

Zanna

o.0

edwinksl

11:05 AM

wow libreboot.org/gnu-insult

Zanna

o.0

On that note, I am so going for a walk

edwinksl

gotta move those legs

Zanna

did you see the new query? I posted the updated number in the other room :)

yeah the legs must mv

Journeyman Geek

11:47 AM

@edwinksl whaaaaaaat?

edwinksl

@Zanna heh i left the chatroom and the trello board because i don't have time to do much with it yet. i will rejoin once i can find the time to actually help :p

@JourneymanGeek one of the comments from that pcworld article lol

Journeyman Geek

@edwinksl that said, locking down bioses is lame, and IBM would have never done that

edwinksl

@JourneymanGeek you mean intel?

Zacharee1

It's annoying when people copy-paste random stuff as answers

askubuntu.com/review/low-quality-posts/621721

Zanna

@edwinksl no worries :)

Journeyman Geek

11:52 AM

@edwinksl I'm blaming lenovo... ;p

what if I don't want rst?

Zacharee1

I need one more LQ to review to get 1000

terdon

This Lenovo thing is really annoying. The thinkpads were traditionally among the best, if not the best, Linux laptops. Since Lenovo bought out IBM's laptop division (or, rather, since Lenovo became independent rather than IBM's laptop division), they changed the best keyboard in the world and now they broke Linux support. Idiots.

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