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Whoaaa.... Toshiba stock dropped 17% today after I said I'll never buy them again because they went Windows only to give the finger to Linux... they however claim the fall was over Nuclear earnings in USA but we all know that 's a lie :p

IanC

and I just dropped that random fact for no apparent reason

Nathan Osman

@WinEunuuchs2Unix in Discord.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@IanC Why on earth would you want to force-feed kids non-alcoholic beer in the first place?

That's like a gate-way drug.

@NathanOsman I thought "Discord" was like an argument you guys were having... didn't realize it was an app / program / platform.... LOL

Nathan Osman

4:25 AM

@Zacharee1 hue

Zacharee1

hue

IanC

I think that's probably their argument, but then those chocolate cigarettes should also be forbidden (are they nowadays?) @WinEunuuchs2Unix

That smile is scary.

lmao farage

4:26 AM

btw, I don't want kids to drink non-alcoholic beer, I was just drinking it and realized it had something about age requirement to drink

Nathan Osman

Such hue. So hue. Very hue.

Kaz Wolfe

7-1!

edwinksl

BRA71L

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@IanC I wasn't picking on you... just floating the thought to the clouds.

Nathan Osman

What is this? ~~Soccer~~ football?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

4:27 AM

banana commercial.

Nathan Osman

I originally sat down to get some work done. 20 memes later... where did the time go.

edwinksl

100 more memes to go

Nathan Osman

Oh cool. New hat.

♪ Silver badge ♪
♪ Silver badge ♪
♪ It's Winter Bash... on Ask Ubuntu ♪

(You may need to cram a couple syllables together to make that work.)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Geez a man of your rep shouldn't be concerned about measly silver badges :D

Nathan Osman

But HATS.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

4:31 AM

...me on the other hand :D

Kaz Wolfe

HATSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs

HATS HATS HATS HATS HATS

WinEunuuchs2Unix

who has the most hats in this room?... is there an app for that?

Kaz Wolfe

hi

Nathan Osman

There should be.

Kaz Wolfe

winterbash2016.stackexchange.com/leaderboard/askubuntu.com

Nathan Osman

4:32 AM

I'm #52.

Seth

meanwhile I'm only 4 votes away from a gold badge

Tim

Kaz Wolfe has the most

Seth

but on a question that isn't really any use anymore :(

Nathan Osman

24 FREAKIN' HATS.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Seth

4:33 AM

I got 4 gold badges like a month before winter bash... just like every year -.-

Nathan Osman

Alright, hats off to @KazWolfe (no pun intended).

Tim

I'm #32

Zacharee1

Hats hats hats
Hats hats hats
Hats hats hats hats hats
Hats hats hats hats hats hats hats
Hats hats hats hats hats hats hats
HATS!

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman well provided i stalk all the hat rooms.

and discovered the 100% way to get the 8 million hat :D

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 "A poem by Zacharee" ?

Zacharee1

4:33 AM

mebeh

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Tis true #KazLedMeToTheHatRoom

Tim

Also fun fact: nobody will have 11 hats.

ever

Nathan Osman

Challenge:accepted

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I think I had that between 10 and 12

Nathan Osman

I understand what @Tim is saying.

Kaz Wolfe

4:35 AM

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A: Community Promotion Ads - 2016

Nathan Osman

As soon as you get 11 hats, you will have 12 :P

Upgoated.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

So you are saying my 12th hat is a fake and I should give it back or donate it to charity out of guilt?... here #KazHaveMyTwelfthHat

Tim

Yeah your 12th is just because you briefly had 11

also: yay...:

WinEunuuchs2Unix

So I can search AU Q&A for "HDMI Sound" but how can I search my own Q&A for that?

Seth

@WinEunuuchs2Unix user:307523 hdmi sound

Kaz Wolfe

4:45 AM

AU just 503'd for a second.

it's back now.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Seth TY... got to vote close question to one of my historical answers without having to page down for five minutes!

Seth

@WinEunuuchs2Unix what hat is this for?

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth none iirc

Seth

good.

Kaz Wolfe

definitely no secret hat.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

4:50 AM

@Seth Sorry not sure what hat you are referring to???

If you mean the Question: askubuntu.com/questions/865653/…

Kaz Wolfe

so close to a hat...

2

A: Holidayifying My Prompt

Linux can do this using the /etc/motd system, or any system that extends that (namely, update-motd). Given this information, it's possible to add a simple shell script to /etc/update-motd.d/40-holiday: #!/bin/bash echo Happy holidays from your local sysadmin! Upon marking this as runnable (su...

(hint hint <3)

you are all awesome and i love (most) of you.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

+1 but I better not loose 15K rep like Serge and Xed

Kaz Wolfe

i don't think anyone will.

as long as your votes are diverse.

plus i'd be the one losing a lot of rep.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Thanks for heads-up on collusion :p

Well it's not like they can take 15K away from a 5K man anyway :)

Seth

@WinEunuuchs2Unix fffs you won't

WinEunuuchs2Unix

4:56 AM

Good thing there aren't mods in this room @Seth ;)

j/k I know a bit...

I wonder if I can take Turkey stuffing leftovers and fry them like a pancake and then spread left over cranberry jelly over it like a jam.

Kaz Wolfe

we need more suggested edits.

Serg

Slightly improved my code, although I still need to work on dealing with pipes. Apparently you cannot use seek() function on pipes, only on files

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Is this for tails?.... just go to EOF and read backwards.

Serg

That's exactly what my tail implementation is doing - it reads the file backwards with the seek() function, but like I said - I can't do it with pipes. And if I read everything from the top, line by line, it's going to take hell long of a time

Last time I tried to cat 29 million lines of text, took about 40 minutes or something

IanC

@Serg that's weird, I'd think all the functions for working with files would work with stdin

Serg

5:06 AM

@IanC that's the trick - a pipe isn't a file. It's a buffer

IanC

yeah, but files are treated as buffers when you handle them, so I thought there would be a seek equivalent for it too

Serg

Well, it's not a big deal. I'll probably end up having two functions - one for dealing with files, and one for dealing with pipes

IanC

I've written a bit more to my .vimrc for C files, if you want to take a look and maybe use it too, it doesn't have much so far but there are some small shortcuts you might find useful @Serg

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Serg You could always cheat... extract the tail C code and translate it into Python.

Serg

@WinEunuuchs2Unix hehe, I actually have that. I have source code for all GNU utils. But I only reference it when I feel like I've no idea what I'm doing. It's more fun trying to figure it out on my own though

@IanC Sure, I'd be glad to take a look, although I don't code in C that much lately

WinEunuuchs2Unix

5:12 AM

assuming this is an adult room... when search for a piece of tail why reinvent the wheel?

Serg

But I swear, coding in general, be it C or Python, keeps me sane. I was absolutely down a few hours ago, and after working on my tail script I feel so much better

IanC

@Serg paste.ubuntu.com/23704369

maybe you can figure something similar for python, I don't code on it so it's a bit harder to figure out some useful shortcuts for it

Serg

I see you added mappings for parenthesis and square and curly brackets. That's one of the things I always wanted to add and never got around to it. Awesome @IanC

IanC

@Serg yeah! I was first using a single {, ( or [, but then it would break the g key map, so I mapped it to a quick {{, (( or [[ :)

maybe for Python you will have to change a bit the curly brackets map, because now it makes the C code block, I think you're going to use it for lists?

Serg

Well, curly brackets will go for dictionaries. What I think would be really useful is mapping for inserting "def " phrase

I think I'll need to learn a bit more about pipes in order to work on my tail script

This is getting eggs-citing

Kaz Wolfe

5:22 AM

@Serg BAWK

IanC

@Serg you could add map! dd def at the end maybe, or some other key you don't use

though I think typing dd isn't much faster than typing def :/

Serg

@KazWolfe That's totally going to me my name of custom awk implementation , lol. Or DAWK, derp awk

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg If you publish it, the package should be chicken

which provides bawk

Serg

Package chicken, includes utils such as chicken-tail, chicken-head, bawk, and chicken-nuggets ( for no reason at all )

Kaz Wolfe

be sure to include beak

Serg

5:32 AM

Yes, it'll be good alternative to finger

IanC

eyes are getting heavy, going to take a nap here

good night guys!

Serg

good night, Ian

Maybe it's too simple of a statement, but . . . it seems that being able to write a few lines of code and take the mind off some of depressing thoughts is sort of happiness

Kaz Wolfe

5:49 AM

@Zanna !!!!

Serg

wooo, good answer silver badge

Kaz Wolfe

step 1 to becoming a mod: Set your homepage to askubuntu.com/review

Zanna

6:31 AM

@KazWolfe cough who, me?

Btw it's NOT me delete-voting the dupes of Ubuntu touch hardware question and I don't think that's a good idea really. But ubuntu-one-windows? Burn it down...

@WinEunuuchs2Unix lol :D

@terdon you pinged?

Kaz Wolfe

i will never understand MSE.

And why they hate feature requests so much.

David Litton

6:51 AM

hey, i just became cool enough to use this chat. :)

Kaz Wolfe

@DavidLitton Welcome!

It's a bit quiet right now (most users are asleep/at work/having lives), but welcome nonetheless!

Zanna

@DavidLitton congrats !

David Litton

I am trying to do something most folks don't generally do. i wanna dual boot ubuntu standard and then ubuntu studio. this machine has an efi partition that I must say I do not understand at all.

Kaz Wolfe

and you were able to pop in here for a year ^-^

David Litton

Oh, well, I guess I just checked my notifications.

Kaz Wolfe

6:53 AM

As for Ubuntu Studio/whatever, as long as you have a separate partition for Ubuntu Studio set up, GRUB will typically take care of things.

so for the most part it should just be a standard install, provided you have the partition ready.

The two Ubuntus can share swapspace without much issue.

though, if you don't mind my asking, why do you need Studio and regular Ubuntu? Why not just install the needed apps on the one version you have?

David Litton

Well, I throw KXStudio on top of ubuntu studio so I can use cadence and carla to manage jack. It ends up being a little more customized than I want my daily work partition being.

Kaz Wolfe

ah, makes sense. But yeah, two Ubuntu installs can coexist relatively peacefully, so you shouldn't have that many issuses.

GRUB should automatically detect the other OS and take care of things for you. Unless you have a weird EFI config, you shouldn't have to touch that, either.

David Litton

I've done this before, it's just that I have no effin clue how efi works and after installing studio, i get no grub menu and it just goes into my gnome install

This machine is dope though.

Kaz Wolfe

hm. You might need to hold down SHIFT during boot to get the GRUB menu to show up.

David Litton

brb. let me give that a go

nope, that didn't do it.

Kaz Wolfe

7:04 AM

that was fast.

David Litton

The ssd in this thing is kind of boss

Kaz Wolfe

What's the output of cat /etc/default/grub | head -n 15?

David Litton

GRUB_DEFAULT=0
GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""

Kaz Wolfe

is there a magenta screen during boot?

David Litton

Well I have ubuntu gnome running so the screen is blue-ish

Kaz Wolfe

7:07 AM

huh. Add a # before the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 line.

Then, run sudo update-grub, and reboot.

(you will need root to edit the file, so sudo nano or gksu gedit or whatever your preferred root text editor is)

David Litton

I have never manually updated grub before. I'm skurred

heh

Kaz Wolfe

basically you're just disabling the hidden parameters.

(or just the timeout one, the quiet parameter won't do anything without the first)

David Litton

I feel funny asking this, but where do I find the grub file that I need to edit? I have been using linux for ages and I have never had to go in and edit grub

Kaz Wolfe

sudo nano /etc/default/grub

also, you're lucky :D

at least you're not editing Xorg.conf

David Litton

I did it in gedit and saved it

I will update grub in the terminal and reboot the computer

Kaz Wolfe

7:12 AM

keep us posted. as log as update-grub shows no errors, you'll be able to come back up no problem.

David Litton

Nice

No problem

Thanks.

Kaz Wolfe

(When you get back, i can give you a quick "tour" of EFI and things. It's an amazing tech but nobody understands it, really. Which is annoying.)

I am back

You got a bootmenu?

it works

7:14 AM

Awesome! :D

Was Ubuntu Studio detected?

David Litton

yes. nvmeblahblabhalbha07

Kaz Wolfe

??

David Litton

it's drive 7. not sure why there's so many partitions, but whatever.

Kaz Wolfe

that's... interesting.

It's probably not a big deal, but what's the output of sudo lsblk?

David Litton

I will look at gparted when I get around to it.

NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
mmcblk0 179:0 0 15G 0 disk
└─mmcblk0p1 179:1 0 15G 0 part /media/david/9016-4EF8
nvme0n1 259:0 0 477G 0 disk
├─nvme0n1p1 259:1 0 48.5G 0 part /boot/efi
├─nvme0n1p2 259:2 0 1K 0 part
├─nvme0n1p5 259:3 0 149G 0 part /
├─nvme0n1p6 259:4 0 1.9G 0 part [SWAP]
└─nvme0n1p7 259:5 0 277.5G 0 part

Kaz Wolfe

7:17 AM

Eh, that looks ok/normal.

Linux likes naming drives in a weird fashion at times, but that looks just fine to me.

David Litton

Why is the efi partition so big? It's like 10% of my drive.

Kaz Wolfe

Wow...

That's impressive, lol.

Um, you did manual partitioning or was that automatic when you first put Ubuntu on?

David Litton

I put ubuntu gnome on using the regular installer on a fresh ssd.

Kaz Wolfe

hm. it's strange that it would make a 50 gb EFI partition.

David Litton

I don't understand EFI at all, so I figured whatever it did must be right.

it's not a huge deal. I wipe out my carry around once every 6 to 9 months any way. I will figure out what that's all about between now and then

Kaz Wolfe

7:21 AM

Your standard EFI partition is ~100 MB.

If you're crazy or do a lot of weird things, you might have one a bit larger, but anything over 4GB is just weird.

This is why manual partitioning is king.

David Litton

the desktop and the laptop that this thing is replacing combined had less storage than I have in this thing, so losing 50 gigs isn't gonna bother me. I am so used to dumping my audio and video projects to my nas as soon as I am done working on them, this isn't a problem.

Kaz Wolfe

If it becomes an issue and you want to reclaim that space, you can just shrink the EFI partition without any worry. Move the Ubuntu partition to the left, and expand it a bit. Should work fine.

Zanna

My entire SSD is 32gb

Kaz Wolfe

Or you can add in a 45GB partition for shared file storage or similar, if you want. You can really do a lot with that space.

(Actually if you want to try something fun, you can symlink your user directories between the two OSes together and keep your ~/Music, ~/Documents, and the like in sync.)

David Litton

Yeah, it's not a big deal. I've been on SSDs since 120 was expensive so I can survive on 450gb combined for now

Kaz Wolfe

7:25 AM

As for (U)EFI, it's really just a replacement to the boot sector, with the difference being that EFI boots from files directly.

David Litton

I thought about that, but I just wanna get back to work on my projects honestly, Plus if I really need to get files on one from the other, I can just launch the file manager as root

Kaz Wolfe

So instead of messing with a boot sector, EFI boot instructions are essentially stored in files, within your EFI partition (mounted at /boot/efi).

David Litton

gotta switch trains.

Kaz Wolfe

Actually, if you have the same UID (if you're the only user, this'll be the case), you won't even need root.

You'll already have permissions on the other drive.

All you need to deal with is the mounting, but you can add an entry to /etc/fstab to do that.

Zanna

7:54 AM

what happened to the starwall? hahaha

Kaz Wolfe

@Zanna Seth started something, and then everyone else sort of went down that route.

Serg

@Zacharee1 I found your favorite SO user ^

Zanna

quite tempted to read the transcript

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg i thought you fell asleep?

Serg

@KazWolfe I'm sort of lurking, sort of watching youtube, sort of contemplating life and universe

Kaz Wolfe

7:59 AM

@Serg 42.

Serg

Ah, right . . . I keep forgetting it. I need to write a python script that will remind me about the answer to everything in the universe

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