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user139252

7:00 PM

Yeah... I'm gonna stick with Poshmark. Used clothes are better than... whatever this is.

Stefano Palazzo

learn to sew :)

i feel left out without a blue name :(

Stefano Palazzo

Your username still confuses me all the time

user139252

Who?

Stefano Palazzo

@Whaaaaaat

user139252

7:03 PM

It's intentional

Stefano Palazzo

I like it :)

user139252

What should I teach my club students how to do today?

user139252

Should I show them what an installation of Arch Linux is like?

Stefano Palazzo

@HeatherBrown Encryption and privacy?

user139252

@StefanoPalazzo Get them all on keybase?

Stefano Palazzo

7:05 PM

that'd be pretty cool

does anyone have a keybase invite?

Stefano Palazzo

I mean, I know programmers with 10 years of experience who don't have the first idea how public key crypto actually works. And nobody knows how to use it properly.

@Whaaaaaat I do!

Stefano does.

Nathan does.

I think Mateo does.

@Seth can i steal it please? :3

@Whaaaaaat no but you can have it ;)

Stefano Palazzo

7:08 PM

But, you know, symmetric encryption is pretty easy. Or even historical encryption methods. They teach you everything you need to know to be convinced that it's not magic (even though it is, in a way)

I'll need an email.

Do I have to use the same email for signup?

I'm not sure.

Stefano Palazzo

Okay they're starting to hoover the offices and that's a cliché. I'm out. See you guys :)

pop me an email if you want.

7:09 PM

Hmm. How easy is it to permanently delete messages?

easy.

k.

invite sent!

thank you :D

they have fun invite codes

@StefanoPalazzo catch 'ya later!

ooo. keybase is really cool

I've still got some invites left too if you need more.

7:18 PM

Eventually, I'll invite myself to create my "real" profile.

o_O

Oh. I use an alias for everything online.

For all intents and purposes, it's me. However, there will be some use cases where it might be good to have my real name out there.

(Keeps snoopers from finding my as easily)

HATS.

Tweeted by balpha on October 30, 2015 at 4:49 PM

@Whaaaaaat That could backfire slightly. The whole point of keybase is so that people can trust your keys. If no one knows who you are then they can't trust you..

7:24 PM

My online alias is the same everywhere. I took care doing that. Everyone who knows me in real life knows my alias as well.

@Seth Yeah, but the tooltip was different when I first posted it. Some kind of browser artifact.

@terdon I hate it when tooltips stick around.

anyone else want a keybase invite

user139252

A coworker brought me apple strudel.

user139252

I think she's trying to make me fat, because it is too delicious to stop.

user139252

7:28 PM

How do you earn an invite?

Wait, mostly.

Or beg Mateo for one.

@HeatherBrown The more services you add, the more invites you get.

It takes about ~24 hours for them to come through.

user139252

Ah. I have none right now, then.

user139252

I will let you all know if I earn one.

link EVERYTHING!

user139252

7:36 PM

I only have Git and HackerNews.

user139252

I don't have a twitter or anything, really.

Keybase needs 2FA.

By two weeks ago.

user139252

They should implement Yubikey support.

xkcd.com/1252

I would love to buy a YubiKey.

Expensive though.

7:39 PM

They were $5 a while back.

I grabbed one.

user139252

They're not too much. I have a few of them.

I just have the U2F one.

...which only work on certain browsers.

Glares at Mozilla.

i'll try to get the Neo soon.

best of all the worlds!

YubiKeys are literally indestructable, or so I've heard. Can anyone confirm?

Mine's pretty sturdy.

user139252

I would rather not try right now.

7:43 PM

I keep it on my keychain.

user139252

I didn't accidentally step on mine once, though, and it's fine.

The contacts are gold-plated, I believe.

Virtually impossible to damage by accident.

so it won't survive an RMS katana attack?

user139252

Probalby not.

oh, they're waterproof? That's cool.

user139252

7:45 PM

Why are used shoes $600?!

Because fashion.

Hey, I have some used shoes. Time to earn some money...

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user139252

@NathanOsman Women's size 11?

If only that was one line @NathanOsman

@HeatherBrown for $600 they could be :P

@Whaaaaaat fixed.

7:47 PM

Stars: The most useless thing in the SE Chatroom system.

Is Oli still mad at George?

user139252

I think so.

★

user139252

I'm totally putting these shoes on an expense report for work...

Why do you need $600 shoes?

user139252

Who already owns nice teal shoes?

7:49 PM

Won't just $15 shoes from your local whatsitcalled work?

user139252

They want all of the employees in teal shoes for graduation this time around.

whatsitcalled == Wal-Mart? :P

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Nice. That would work.

I think.

user139252

And ruin a perfectly good pair of shoes I already own?

7:50 PM

Shoes for $10 at walmart + $8 can of spray paint = $18.

Hmm... is there a black one you could spray on afterwards to return it to its original color?

$18 < $600

Lol.

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user139252

...

7:51 PM

Double lol.

user139252

Yes.

Wont those work? ^

Yes and no.

user139252

I'm going to a work function in those.

@Terrance No, no, no. Those are aqua.

Aqua isn't teal.

7:51 PM

Sorry, colorblind here.

:P

Nice try tho.

:D

user139252

What is an Ubuntu Membership?

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It's a process whereby you become an Ubuntu Member.

7:52 PM

Basically you get an @ubuntu.com email.

user139252

Fun.

That's not even the best perk.

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You get a signed certificate from Mark Shuttleworth.

sabdfl himself?

Are you sure it isn't a robosigner?

7:53 PM

Nope, it's a real signature.

I have one.

user139252

Pics or it didn't happen.

It's in the transcript somewhere... hang on...

how i imagine my Ubuntu membership going:

Me: S-Sabdfl noticed me!!
Sabfl: wat.

Jul 24 at 21:13, by Nathan Osman

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@HeatherBrown boom.

user139252

That's embossed. Printed on there.

7:55 PM

i call photoshop. the pixels are all wrong.

It is not!

user139252

You can see the shadows!

That's actual pen ink.

user139252

:)

@NathanOsman so what gets you membership?

7:55 PM

Pretty sure any "shadow" can be attributed to "JPEG artifacts".

@Tim Sustained contributions to Ubuntu. That includes documentation, code, helping other users, LoCo involvement, etc.

user139252

We're just teasing you :)

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there. it has enough jpeg now.

O_o

Okay so AU is a start for me? :P

STILL NEEDS MORE JPEG

7:57 PM

@Tim Sure is!

Lots of members (including me) used Ask Ubuntu contributions to help our application along :)

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Lol.

:o

Congrats Terrance!!

:D

I only wish!!

:D

user139252

Darn UPS guy... @Terrance beat me to the joke.

7:59 PM

Alright, time to get stuff done. AFK.

quick someone start spamming the chat so nathan has something to do

Mine's not gimp'd at all! :P

woah woah woah. I thought Nathan Osman wasn't your real name???

lol Terrance got more congrats than nathan :P

@Whaaaaaat is it george?

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I don't know what his real name is. But I don't think it's Nathan Osman.

terrance deserves it imo

8:01 PM

\o/

user139252

Hey, I think we became members on the same day...

user139252

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user139252

@Terrance Mine is better :p

@HeatherBrown Cheater! Better handwriting is not fair! :P

Looks like we all took the pic at the same angle too! ;)

user139252

@Terrance It's called "Comic Sans" :P

8:08 PM

:P

@HeatherBrown Ah, mine is Terrance-Scribble. ;)

user139252

You also need to get better at the "heal" tool :P

I used clone

can confirm... that IS writing.

But I am not a very good artist. I screw up stick figures! :P

8:14 PM

Please.

I tried to draw a circle once. The pencil is still stuck in the wall.

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LOL

Does corrective tape come off monitors easily?

=)

Yes.

Use permanent pen.

I will! ;)

Journeyman Geek

lol

I once tried to take a screenshot of a bug ...on my screen. I also once was writing (with a pencil) and thought "Oh I can just copy and paste this". I think it is time to get off the computer

8:18 PM

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"My coffee cup holder is broken!" :P

ubuntu members get 25 free credits on SixXS. Please. I get that every week.

@Terrance Most computers come with two. Use the other one from now on.

@Whaaaaaat I always forget that! :P I will have to feel for the button as the front is all black colored.

user139252

SixXS?

user136984

Does anyone here have any experience with using gdb to set breakpoints in order to debug programs?

8:22 PM

@HeatherBrown sixxs.net

IPv6 provider

Journeyman Geek

@Whaaaaaat: tunnel broker more precisely

what do credits get used for?

I tried to get an account with them but apparently I was too far from a pop

ended up with free6

Of course now I'm on native ipv6

@JourneymanGeek You use them to "buy" tunnels

sixxs.net/faq/account/?faq=credits

Cuteness Overload!

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Journeyman Geek

ahh

@Terrance husky with something else?

user136984

8:32 PM

Wow! What's that cuteness I see??? :D :D :D

@Whaaaaaat I wish it was my puppy so I am not sure, but my guess is wolf is the mix in it.

not your profile pic @ParanoidPanda

@Terrance yeah, that looks about right.

Journeyman Geek

looks like fairly standard spitzy thing

wolf/husky hybrids are automatically 500% more cute than wolves or huskies.

Journeyman Geek

just super young

8:35 PM

(especially third-generation)

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman Heh. Well, PEP 0008 can go boil that portion of it's head. Tabs are so much better than spaces

It's very rare for me to come across Python code indented with tabs :P

RPi Awesomeness

I've switched from camelCase to python_case (or whatever it is). PEP 008 can keep its spaces.

@RPiAwesomeness TAB MASTER RACE

RPi Awesomeness

Tabs are just so much easier to work with

One backspace & you're back 2-3-4 spaces

Same thing for hitting tab

8:37 PM

Although I would tend to agree for some languages, virtually all Python code out there uses spaces.

RPi Awesomeness

@Mateo Noice!

@RPiAwesomeness A good editor will hide that from you.

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman I've switched to using spaces in Atom, but that code was written a while back

@NathanOsman good editors won't remove the extra space constraints.

or fix compatibility

or make it portable

Fair enough.

RPi Awesomeness

8:38 PM

@Mateo ik. Wish I had the $$$ for it :P

@RPiAwesomeness did you see my pull request?

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman I saw the message, just got back from doing stuffs so I haven't looked at it.

I fixed the tab-order bug.

user139252

@RPiAwesomeness @NathanOsman I always set my editors to interpret tabs as spaces.

user139252

I don't like using tabs.

8:40 PM

@HeatherBrown Tabs are standard for Go.

Tabs are love.

Tabs are life.

But for Python and C++, spaces are more common.

user139252

@NathanOsman I haven't learned Go yet.

I can't not put semicolons into Python

RPi Awesomeness

Is that because they're older languages, that could be part of it possibly

8:40 PM

@quake120 They're valid.

It's habit from C#, Java, and PHP

PHP, ew!

I like PHP

Java, ew! haha

Go does something interesting. When you save a file, go fmt runs and corrects any style errors in your code.

That includes removing semicolons.

Really? That's pretty cool

RPi Awesomeness

8:41 PM

Awesome @NathanOsman :) Merging RN

@quake120 I'll go with you on that one.

I've heard of Go before, but never really looked at it more than just a really simple code sample

;)

@quake120 It takes some getting used to but it really does parallel processing quite nicely.

PHP is in my top 3 favorite languages....
C#, Python, PHP, probably in order.

How can anyone like PHP?

RPi Awesomeness

8:42 PM

^

(And I say that as someone who has used it a lot.)

I wouldn't try to write an entire framework with it...That's why I use Laravel for web stuff

I did try to write a framework in it :P

launchpad.net/tungsten

That was a few years back.

user139252

Go looks like java.

user139252

How do I install go?

8:44 PM

IT DOES?

user139252

sudo apt-get install go

Notepad for me all the way! :D

It's golang, not go.

user139252

Alright.

@HeatherBrown If all you want to do is play around with simple programs, there's this online: play.golang.org

user139252

8:45 PM

I want to learn so that I could maybe create something with it.

I use it a lot to quickly test concepts.

user139252

None of my STEM students showed up today... They are all getting a talking to.

I'm installing GoLand now

GoLang*

RPi Awesomeness

Ruh roh. Peoples are in trouble

user139252

Benefits of using a constant as opposed to a variable?

8:47 PM

Constants cannot be modified (assigned to).

I'm going to have my second daughter (third kid) in January...I think I'm going to get her a Linux onesie

With Tux on it

RPi Awesomeness

^ They're safer to send as arguments

@quake120 Cool, congrats.

And that sounds like a nice thing to buy :)

My wife likes Linux, so I won't get any arguments from her :)

RPi Awesomeness

@Seth xD Have you seen fabrizio's Testimonial?

8:48 PM

Go looks suspiciously like Python

It may at first, but that opinion will quickly change.

Actually, I take that back

Especially when you get to types :)

It looks suspiciously like Python and Java had a baby :)

Note that this is from a VERY preliminary look at some code

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman How do you edit Ubuntu wiki pages? I want to add a testimonial for Seth

8:49 PM

I have some source code if you want to see some production code.

user139252

I'm at gobyexample.com

@RPiAwesomeness Are you signed in?

@HeatherBrown Yup, that's where I started.

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman Yeah

user139252

Go only has a for loop?

user139252

No while?

8:50 PM

The for loop is a while loop.

There are multiple types of for loops.

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman Or rather, I'm trying to sign it. The page just sits their loading...

user139252

I guess you could do... for 1 < 3 to get an infinite...

twitchinstalls.com

There's this one: "for { ... }" which loops until a break statement. There's this one: "for a < 12 { ... }" which is similar to a while loop. There's this one: "for k, v := range container { ... }" for looping over slices and maps. And then there's this one: "for a := 0; a < 10; a++ { ... }" which most C/C++/Java programmers are familiar with.

RPi Awesomeness

@Terrance I saw that, looks like it could be interesting

8:53 PM

@RPiAwesomeness Indeed it does look interesting.

user139252

@Terrance I saw that on HN earlier.

RPi Awesomeness

Man. Unity really seems to have a lot of issues with multiple displays

Apparently I am not on enough sites then. :P

user139252

@RPiAwesomeness Switch to MATE

RPi Awesomeness

@HeatherBrown I've got that on my laptop

8:55 PM

Honestly... the Ubuntu Wiki is one of the most unreliable pieces of infrastructure in the Ubuntu network.

I feel like flipping a coin every time I try to access it.

I can't even log in.

user139252

@NathanOsman I concur. Their guide for setting up a VPN is awful.

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman Same here. It just sits there loading

@HeatherBrown Oh you set up a VPN? That must have been fun.

I recently got OpenVPN up and running on my server.

It was ~~impossible~~ difficult.

And I still can't get IPv6 routing to work correctly.

user139252

@NathanOsman Yeah, I had the students set-up an OpenVPN server on Ubuntu, and they had a lot of difficulty with it. We aren't even attempting IPv6 because of it.

I'm convinced you can count on one hand the number of people on this planet capable of getting IPv6 working through a VPN.

:P

user139252

8:59 PM

:P

user139252

What is the := all about in Go?

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