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kos

4:01 PM

Ah I found it on Launchpad: launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/i386/libboost1.42-dev/… (we're talking about Precise though)

565656

@Fabby Do you stay in 16

kos

And yes, it was deleted

565656

16

B 16

Me B 15

kos

@wsw I'm not sure if there would be downsides in installing that version and then remove it.

565656

@kos welcome home

wsw

4:15 PM

@kos I've been upgrading my Ubuntu every 6 months. Hence a lot of these leftover packages are from previous versions of Ubuntu. Maybe I'll just give up cleaning up because it's taking too much work.

@kos Ubuntu 15.04 would not let me install the old version of libboost

$ sudo apt-get install libboost1.42-dev
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package libboost1.42-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source

E: Package 'libboost1.42-dev' has no installation candidate

@kos it's annoying because I have so many uninstalled versions of old packages showing up in dpkg. For Boost, I have version 1.42 all the way up to 1.55. Maybe I will do a new installation at some point.

user139252

What should I do on Wily now?

user139252

I kinda like MATE as my DE.

Seth

That reminds me I need to fix my plymouth theme.

Tim

@HeatherBrown hmm GNOME

user139252

I have GNOME on my personal laptop. KDE 5 on my desktop. This one is my work laptop.

Tim

4:30 PM

Hmm for work - XFCE

good for getting things done

user139252

I tried that yesterday before MATE, but it was gross.

Seth

@HeatherBrown try a different shell :p

user139252

I like MATE now :P. What else should I install for productivity? :P

user139252

Also, LibreOffice 5 is nice. I like it.

Seth

a different shell!

(not graphical shell..)

jokerdino

4:33 PM

Try fish.

Tim

Love libre office 5

But, I'm not liking inkscape 0.98

I was on 0.48

and it's soo different

user139252

I'll try it out right now.

Seth

@jokerdino I liked fish, but it didn't support !! and && and I couldn't get over that. Now I use fizsh :P

(a fish frontend to zsh)

Fabby

@565656 No, in 33, why?

@HeatherBrown tox! GIMP! atom!

jokerdino

@Seth lol, sometimes, bash is more than enough for most things

user139252

4:46 PM

@Fabby Got GIMP. Trying Inkscape.

Fabby

@HeatherBrown gufw! gtask, CCSM, ambient noise, smartctl, figlet

fossfreedom

@Seth - just reading your wiki - excellent! --- must remember myself to apply for ubuntu membership sooner rather than later

Fabby

@HeatherBrown Could you give me some feed-back on InkScape??

user139252

@Fabby I've got toilet instead of figlet :P

Fabby

@HeatherBrown Is it better then figlet?

(never did a feature comparison)

@Rinzwind o/

Rinzwind

4:49 PM

hey

Tim

@Fabby Inkscape is fabby :P

user139252

@Fabby It's about the same, really... Inkscape is funny. Not liking it.

Seth

@jokerdino indeed xD

Tim

o/

Seth

@fossfreedom You should! You are much more qualified than I am!

Fabby

4:50 PM

@Tim Huh?

@Seth Then, so is everyone here in the chat room!

(sorry, but that was an open door!) ;-)

Seth

o_O

user139252

I do like that toilet puts you into a mode that allows for continuous input.

Tim

@HeatherBrown umm?

@Fabby Inkscake is really good :P

user139252

If you run figlet, you can do figlet "Text" to show text

Fabby

@Tim :D :D :D :P

user139252

4:51 PM

If you just do figlet, nothing happens.

Fabby

Ah....

user139252

With toilet, you run toilet and it lets you send multiple things through it, one right after the other

Fabby

better testing....

mmmh...

not compelling enough...

OK, OIlet has better colour filters!

+1

user139252

Yeah, that too.

user139252

It also tries harder to break a line at the end of a word

Fabby

4:55 PM

@HeatherBrown oh, and toilet still allows you to run the figlet command!

(backwards compatible)

user139252

Yeah, toilet is basically just an expansion to figlet.

Fabby

thanks for that tip.

user139252

You can use all the figlet fonts for toilet, too.

Fabby

@Tim so how about InkScape?

better then GIMP? Better then mPaint for simple stuff???

user139252

@Fabby Couldn't find atom in the default repos for Wily.

Fabby

4:57 PM

@HeatherBrown you need a PPA

user139252

@Fabby I found Inkscape confusing.

Fabby

lemme look

user139252

Is Atom better than gedit?

Fabby

@HeatherBrown ppa:webupd8team/atom

Erm is Notepad++ better then notepad?

user139252

Yes.

Tim

4:58 PM

atom is better in some ways

Nathan Osman

On Linux???

Fabby

Is Ubuntu better then Mac OSX?

Tim

I like gedit tho

@Fabby nope :P

Fabby

@HeatherBrown there you go!

Tim

Weeeel

Depends what I wanna do :P

Fabby

4:59 PM

@Tim Apple is an overpriced piece of excrement! (for all of their products)

user139252

@Fabby Syntax high-lighting? Auto indentation for Python files?

Nathan Osman

@Fabby did you reply to my bug?

Fabby

@HeatherBrown Python? What's Python?

Terrance

@Fabby I love the way you feel about Apple! My feelings too! :D

user139252

@Fabby One of the most versatile scripting languages.

user139252

5:00 PM

@Terrance I'm pretty sure that's how 99.9% of the people in here feel.

Nathan Osman

@Fabby the guy calls himself "Steve Langasek (vorlon)".

Fabby

@NathanOsman Sorry, didn't see...

Terrance

@HeatherBrown I will have to agree with you. :D

Fabby

@NathanOsman Nah!

Nathan Osman

No, that's fine. I just wondered if the second reply was written by you.

Fabby

5:01 PM

You know my real name!

Nathan Osman

:P

Oh right.

Fabby

Nah!

@NathanOsman There's more then one Vorlon...

@HeatherBrown last thing I heard it had COBOL-like indentations...

can't make 16k one-liners...

Correct?

user139252

@Fabby It's been a while since I played with COBOL...

Fabby

@HeatherBrown Does the position in which you type something in Python matter?

user139252

Blocks are indented by 4 spaces each

Fabby

5:05 PM

@HeatherBrown I don't want it!

:P

Go is still next on my list!

(unless someone can prove to me that it's worse)

user139252

So, if one line is indented 4 spaces already, and you put "if this == that:", the next line will be indented 8 spaces.

user139252

Atom handles that for you :D

Rinzwind

@Fabby yes

user139252

You can do some things on one line though...

Fabby

@HeatherBrown nah, not interested...

user139252

5:07 PM

if Fabby == Awesome: print "Fabby is awesome!" would work as one line.

Fabby

The only thing I do with positional languages is to convert them...

Last time I read COBOL, I converted it so C (and it's probably still running as it was for some financial institution)

edward torvalds

how to find out which mode systemd is running in?

user139252

I find it a lot less confusing than Java, what with all of its brackets and semicolons and doo-dads.

Fabby

Same as I said during a job interview: Last time I used an AS/400 was to get its data out to convert it to Windows! :D

Nathan Osman

@edwardtorvalds mode?

edward torvalds

5:09 PM

yup, there are two modes, system and user

Nathan Osman

@HeatherBrown ...and the fact that Java is very verbose.

edward torvalds

@NathanOsman ref: freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/…

Fabby

@HeatherBrown Also a non-compilable language...

Nathan Osman

Ah.

Fabby

@edwardtorvalds look like that's more for testing...

edward torvalds

5:11 PM

then lets test :)

user139252

You can run systemd --test

Fabby

@NathanOsman Erm, how about the edit bug/feature?

Nathan Osman

"up" doesn't work anymore?

Fabby

If I disable the script, it works further in the past I've noticed in the mean time...

so, yes it kinda works...

(but not to the max)

Nathan Osman

Hm... that's odd.

I'll have to take a look at that.

Ah.

I see what you mean.

Fabby

5:14 PM

yeah, disabled: more history.

Nathan Osman

It "jumps" over some entries.

Fabby

off-by-one-error?

Tim

@Fabby Let's have a race :P I'm gonna give you a Mac running Ubuntu and I will have a mac running OSX :P Who can install everything needed and edit a 20 minute clip into 4 clips each 3 minute long? ;)

565656

@Tim you will win

user139252

@Tim You already lose at math.

Nathan Osman

5:22 PM

And I'll beat you both with a PC running Ubuntu :P

(Provided downloading doesn't count.)

user139252

Also, most Macs come pre-loaded with video editing software, so that is an unfair advantage. A better test would be to have each run through a series of increasingly CPU-intensive simulations and see which performs better on the same hard-ware.

Nathan Osman

Yup, iMovie.

(...which just got an update for editing 4K video.)

Fabby

@Tim Let's have a race: I'll give you a 10 year old MAC running OSX and I'll take a 10 year old PC running lubuntu and let's code and debug and run a 1000 line application in C!

user139252

@Fabby wins :P

Fabby

:D

user139252

5:27 PM

d:

user139252

:pd:

Terrance

<-- This guy will pop the popcorn and watch this war! :D

user139252

They're making out.

Nathan Osman

10 year old mac... that's what, Tiger?

v10.4.

Seth

sounds about right

Fabby

5:28 PM

@NathanOsman nah... it'll have to run OSX... (which it can't)

Nathan Osman

Mac OS X Tiger

Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger is the fifth major release of Mac OS X, Apple's desktop and server operating system for Mac computers. Tiger was released to the public on April 29, 2005 for $129.95 as the successor to Mac OS X Panther. Some of the new features included a fast searching system called Spotlight, a new version of the Safari web browser, Dashboard, a new ‘Unified’ theme, and improved support for 64-bit addressing on Power Mac G5s. Tiger shocked executives at Microsoft by offering a number of features, such as fast file searching and improved graphics processing, that Microsoft had spent several...

Yup, 2005.

Fabby

Tim won't even leave the tracks...

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