Game Development

doppelgreener

1:00 PM

@ShaunWild huh. for some reason minus isn't loading for me right now.

apparently it's not just me: downforeveryoneorjustme.com/minus.com

Curio

1:11 PM

I don't know why the activity is destroyed...gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/142560/…

Shaun Wild

rip

Curio

Do you know why Shaun!?

user92578

I think your question is shifting a little too much for the scope of one question

Shaun Wild

When you restart the app all of your values are reset

Curio

yes, but onCreate and onDestroy aren't called :(

Shaun Wild

1:16 PM

What are you actually trying to do?

Curio

TO find a way to save a variable

because shared preferences doesn't work (is null)

Can I save it in an application class? I'll try

doppelgreener

@UriPopov (cc @Alex) You can put <script> elements anywhere in the head or body of a HTML page. Your browser will load the page's HTML linearly from top to bottom, and execute each script element as it's encountered. Note however this means that when a script element runs, any HTML that appears after it in the document simply doesn't exist yet from the browser's perspective. For example, if you have this HTML:

<div id="foo"></div>
<script src="thing.js"></script>
<div id="bar"></div>

Uri Popov

@doppelgreener yep I pretty much figured that out

doppelgreener

the browser sets up the #foo div, then runs the script, then sets up the #bar div.

this is also why loads of scripts use the document.ready event, so they can be run now but do their actual thing later after the HTML's loaded.

@UriPopov cool!

it became common practice in the last decade to put all script elements at the end of the body, so that all the HTML would load ASAP before any of the javascript loads -- otherwise the javascript might introduce delay in the page visibly showing up, which was undesirable.

nowadays though we can just use the async attribute 🔗 on a script to make it load asynchronously from the HTML

Curio

@ShaunWild yeeee a static variable in a special class saved me

Shaun Wild

1:29 PM

Don't do that!

Omg

You need your game logic in a seperate object and when you want to restart the game, you just recreate that object!

user92578

one day instead of trying things until something works, you might want to investigate why the initial solution doesn't work

2

Shaun Wild

Don't listen to Olli

He uses SDL

doppelgreener

@Tyyppi_77 words to live by for sustainable development.

Shaun Wild

@doppelgreener Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@doppelgreener thanks for the tip!|

doppelgreener

1:36 PM

@AlexandreVaillancourt 👍 i've been working in html/js/css for a few years now and my brain is becoming a web development encyclopedia

not that i mind, i enjoy it

Almo

.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@doppelgreener I'm glad you do; I've worked as a web developer for a few years at the beginning of my career. I hated it.

doppelgreener

@AlexandreVaillancourt i probably would hate it too if i was doing this much earlier. web development's only really become nice in the past couple of years: old bad IE versions are dead, IE 10 and 11 are just holding in there but are mostly HTML5-compliant, HTML5 comes with tons of beautiful features, we have grid and flex layouts making things that were once impossible without JS or horrid CSS hacks trivially easy, SASS is well-developed and beautiful to use, etc.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

1:52 PM

@doppelgreener Probably :) By the early 2k, it was a nightmare to support all the software versions. Hack hack hack hack.

Uri Popov

creepy skull borders

:D :D

doppelgreener

@AlexandreVaillancourt early 2k was a bad time for web development ;_;

Shaun Wild

OOO you have caused me a SPOOK

user92578

that's pretty cool, the non-border sections are a little broken though

user92578

the vertical ones

doppelgreener

1:53 PM

@AlexandreVaillancourt you might get a kick out of History of the browser user-agent string 🔗

Shaun Wild

No they're not, they look fine

Uri Popov

yeah I dunno how to fix that

Shaun Wild

It looks fine, ignore him

He's being pedantic

doppelgreener

@UriPopov that does look super cool and gives me 3/5ths of a spook

user92578

depends on how it's implemented but maybe ` border-image-repeat: repeat;`?

doppelgreener

1:54 PM

these parts look a bit broken, i agree

Yaroslav

Does somebody know how I can change the pencil size to one pixel in Photshop cc 2017?

PearsonArtPhoto

That's probably a bad 9-slice?

Yaroslav

PearsonArtPhoto

It seems a lot like Unity's tile feature, but the edges aren't correct...

doppelgreener

@Yaroslav your grid seems to not be aligned to the pixels properly

if it was you wouldn't have a half-pixel at the edge:

user92578

1:56 PM

also the corners are blurred and sides are not

Yaroslav

Here are my settings

PearsonArtPhoto

I would argue it's the parts that are above/ below the red circles that look wrong.

better ?

yep

Yes.

1:57 PM

god I hate css

doppelgreener

if you want, i'm happy to do a code review to suggest how you can resolve that overlap issue. put it up on jsfiddle or something, and let me know which browsers you're targeting.

(bonus points: don't support IE unless you have a good reason to do so. it will make your work a lot easier. not like anyone's going to be using it anyway.)

Uri Popov

overlap ?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@doppelgreener Lol!

user92578

oh lol I'm just making a website I'm working on for a friend work in IE

doppelgreener

7 mins ago, by doppelgreener

unless that was deliberate :O

user92578

2:02 PM

but isn't that fixed now?

Uri Popov

I think I fixed it by doing this

doppelgreener

with a bigger border, yes, but if the dialog box needs to grow in size it might resurface

if that's not an issue that's ok

Uri Popov

imgur.com/Q3cUg29

doppelgreener

@UriPopov LOL

user92578

yup

Shaun Wild

2:04 PM

I love family guy soo much

Almo

I haven't found anything by Seth McFarlane that I like :(

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@UriPopov don't forget to try it on your phone once you're done :P

user92578

^

Almo

except maybe the "over" scene in taht one episode of family guy. that was funny

user92578

uuuh somehow I've totally broken my site but I can't remember what I tweaked

Shaun Wild

2:09 PM

F12

Yaroslav

Guy, does anyone used Photoshop for the pixel art?

Uri Popov

well it works on the phone but it's small

;(

Yaroslav

How did you set up pixel grid and pencil for the pixel art?

user92578

brandontreb.com/configuring-photoshop-for-pixel-art

Yaroslav

Thanks. I saw the article.

Shaun Wild

2:12 PM

@Yaroslav BTW GraphicsGale is now freeware, which is awesome software for pixel art

user92578

so?

Yaroslav

And his grid aligns after settings. I do the same settings and still do not get the proper grid.

doppelgreener

different version with a different grid algorithm, maybe

that is an article from six years ago

nowadays i wouldn't try using photoshop for pixel art myself. (it helps that i don't actually have photoshop except on my work pc, but i wouldn't use it even if i did have it.)

Yaroslav

This is really strange. Try to turn off this grid and turn on Pixel Grid (View - Show - Pixel Grid). — Ivan Kuckir 5 mins ago

It helped

but still I do not know how to tweak the pencil size

Shaun Wild

Try GraphicsGale

It's designed to create pixel art..

Yaroslav

2:20 PM

I think that it is supported less than photoshop

Is it so?

Shaun Wild

It's free

Yaroslav

Photoshop is free as well

user92578

no it's not

Yaroslav

I am from Ukraine and our views must be different.

Almo

Talking about stealing software is not ok in the chatroom

Shaun Wild

2:24 PM

Hahahaha

Yaroslav

But here it is

Shaun Wild

Is piracy legal over there

user92578

thanks

Yaroslav

okay

I agree

photoshop is not free

(з

user92578

so I won't make a long speech

user92578

2:26 PM

but you're into game dev

user92578

eventually you might want to sell your game

user92578

so how in the world do you think downloading paid stuff online for free is okay? would you like if everyone did that to your game?

Shaun Wild

Wouldn't bother me

Free advertising

As a wise man once said

Yaroslav

((x

Shaun Wild

However, if you want to ever market you game you need to buy Photoshop, or use freeware

Yaroslav

2:27 PM

@Tyyppi_77, our world is not a fair place believe me

Almo

@Yaroslav that doesn't make it right to steal software

user92578

I'm talking about morality, especially morality for a content creator such as yours

Yaroslav

@Almo, I agree with you. But at least someone who steals has something to justify himself.

Almo

here's the deal you're not going to convince us it's ok to steal software, because it's not. If you're going to ignore the ethics, that's fine but there's no place for it in this chatroom

Shaun Wild

ME IRL^

Yaroslav

2:31 PM

@Almo, I agree with you.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

2:46 PM

> LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'shmfc4m32.lib'

Mystery errors!

Ah, I think I got it..

doppelgreener

i will confirm that we cannot officially condone piracy nor facilitate discussion endorsing or supporting engagement in it.

thank you all for regulating that discussion well, and for taking action to clean it up. i appreciate that.

Yaroslav

why can not I delete my messages in the chat?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Yaroslav You have 2 minutes to do that.

Yaroslav

@AlexandreVaillancourt, thanks for the info.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

After that, it's too late. I guess they consider that it would break the flow of the conversation when read after the fact.

You can flag for a moderator to delete the message if you feel like it, but they don't have to comply. If you think you'll want to have a message deleted, better not say it in the first place :)

They improved the UI to change the Path environment variable in windows 10!!

Almo

3:05 PM

holy shit

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I mean, they improved!

:P

Almo

:D

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Almo so, how are the new offices?

Almo

:(

Alexandre Vaillancourt

:/

Almo

3:09 PM

noisy, desks are too high, design of bathroom is dorky, it's too far

honestly it's not as noisy as i htought it would be

but it's still noisy :(

Alexandre Vaillancourt

concrete floors and ceilings I guess?

Almo

yeah

there are some slabs of foam on the ceilings here and there

at least hte color of the lighting is ok

Alexandre Vaillancourt

They should have covered all of the ceiling with foam!

My friend has started to look for another job..

Almo

haha yeah

I Can't Go For That - Hall & Oates (Cover by Jane Lui)

►

Yaroslav

where are you from guys?

I am from Ukraine. Right now I am living in a dormitory in Kiev and study at the University. And I was born in infamous here town Slavyansk at the East of Ukraine.

Are most of people here from USA?

Shaun Wild

3:24 PM

I'm from the UK

Most are from Europe, I think

Yaroslav

are you studying or have a job already?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Most people here are not from the USA ;P

Yaroslav

Most are from Europe?

dcfyj

Alexandre Vaillancourt is from Canada

In an area I used to live actually :P

Yaroslav

I have seen it just right now (x

in his profile

i always wondered how he managed to add an animation into the info about himself

dcfyj

3:29 PM

It's a gif

Shaun Wild

I'm in full time employment.

I dropped out of school at 16.

Yaroslav

do you work as a game dev?

Shaun Wild

No :(

I'm a software dev though

I hope to be a game developer one day

Yaroslav

I'm a software developer for a company in Manchester, I have ...

what is the software you are making?

@ShaunWild, you guess about number near our nick names was wrong. I joined a new stackoverflow site and it did not add any points to my 599 number.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Yaroslav Yeah, you can use markdown in your profile :)

@Yaroslav The bonus points you get when joining a new stack is not calculated it that total.

Yaroslav

3:37 PM

@AlexandreVaillancourt, got it.

@AlexandreVaillancourt, thanks for the answer.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

^_^

Yaroslav

@AlexandreVaillancourt, are you a professional game dev?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Yaroslav I have been, however I no longer develop games for a living.

Yaroslav

@AlexandreVaillancourt, did you work in Unity or something else?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Yaroslav Nope, Flash, and c++/codeWarrior for the NintendoDS!

user92578

3:40 PM

well that was some next level bullshit

Almo

woa codewarrior

i used that in the late 90s for mac dev

published 3 shareware titles with it

user92578

oh you worked on DS? that's cool

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Yeah :) It was fun working with limited resources!

Almo

stack memory allocation, no free() call

in the engine I used on the DS

Yaroslav

Oh! It was so long time ago. The device went on sale in North America on November 21, 2004. From : here.

Almo

3:41 PM

so we had to object pool everything

user92578

I haven't really done this stuff at all, but I can imagine working on "external" hardware must be really awesome

Almo

it has its ups and downs

Alexandre Vaillancourt

And you had do draw during vblank :P

user92578

does anyone happen to know wireshark?

Almo

iv'e used wireshark

it's hard

but super-powerful

up, you know exactly what hardware your users have. down, testing and debugging can suck

Yaroslav

3:42 PM

we have used wireshark in University

user92578

I'm just looking to learn about this stuff, my knowledge pretty much ends in the front end, so I kinda decided that this summer holiday I want to learn about the backend and stuff

Almo

MS are dorks for user interface

user92578

I get my internet through an USB dongle

Shaun Wild

@Yaroslav Apologize

Almo

Shaun Wild

3:43 PM

For calling me wrong

Almo

so one conversation goes on hold, it gets this super long title and boom the whole box is huge for selecting which user to talk to

user92578

dad was able to easily get wireshark running with internet through an ethernet cable but I'm not sure what I should even search for to find some tutorials

Almo

getting wireshark running isn't that hard.

getting it to do what you want... that's tricky

user92578

yeah I'd be happy with just the first phase right now

Almo

0

Q: How do I get Wireshark to filter for a specific web host?

I'm using Wireshark on OSX, but I can't make any sense out of the filtering system. I have this filter set up: But when I hit that server, I don't see anything show up in the capture log. If I remove the filter, I see all sorts of network traffic. The network request I am doing is to https:/...

wireshark

Yaroslav

3:46 PM

@ShaunWild, sorry

user92578

ah

Yaroslav

@Tyyppi_77, is it possible to shot in your game up or down?

Almo

no

user92578

no

user92578

running as adminstrator fixes my issue

Almo

3:47 PM

somehow, that's not surprising

wireshark has to dig around in deep stuff to do what it does

user92578

yeah, it's a little annoying with stuff like this since I'm the only user profile on this PC

Almo

:D

user92578

so running as admin, it's just me clicking the OK box, not even typing the password in

user92578

4:19 PM

@doppelgreener apparently we can't also have messages against piracy?

DukeZhou

@SimonForsberg Almost there! (We ran into layout om iPad that seem to be related to the Landscape/Portrait switch.) Holding off on the Beta until we can do Android&iOS concurrently.

doppelgreener

@Tyyppi_77 why do you say that? i didn't remove any

user92578

I said one kinda offensive thing, and deserved to be suspended for that

DukeZhou

@SimonForsberg For IP reasons, we don't want to release on only one or the other platform.

user92578

I also said "I'm not talking about [expletive] fairness here"

user92578

4:20 PM

Which extended my suspension to a full hour

DukeZhou

@Tyyppi_77 was it a good expletive at least?

user92578

And I thought we had clarified that cursing at someone was not okay, but cursing when not directed at anyone was all right

doppelgreener

oh, i see now. i didn't realise that happened.

let me check something

user92578

And like I said, I can accept my first suspension as that was kinda directed at someone

user92578

I'm assuming that two flags went through as I saw two page refreshes

doppelgreener

4:22 PM

yes, that was two flags, and the automatic suspension duration stacks

user92578

First one for the default 20/30 mins (can't remember which one) and second extended that to a full hour

user92578

Was the second flagged message really not okay?

doppelgreener

it's a default 30 minutes, so two of them would be 60 minutes

user92578

All right, it's been a while since a default suspension so I couldn't remember which one it was.

user92578

I know the whole "If you don't want to get suspended, don't curse" thingy we went over back then
But I feel like it also kinda went "If you're not offensive towards anyone, it's all right"?

doppelgreener

4:27 PM

ok, so, as far as i know, someone raised a flag on that, users across the network reviewed the flag, and enough people validated it that the message got removed and that automatic suspension kicked in. that happened for two messages, so you got 60 minutes.

user92578

I don't think massive injustice has happened here, just slightly annoyed by what went down.

user92578

Yeah that's what I figured, automatic suspensions chained up.

user92578

Do flag validators see context?

doppelgreener

they see messages out of context but can visit the transcript to see context if they feel it's necessary

On mainsite, comments that contain certain swear words take only 1 rude/offensive flag from anybody to instantly remove them. AFAIK chat doesn't have the same functionality, so it must have been validated.

the people who validate those flags are anyone with 10k network rep (excluding stack overflow, because it has its own separate chat server)

user92578

Yeah I'm just kinda worried if we're going to that "curse words get you suspended" environment.
Or maybe since the first flag went through (which I can accept), validators already considered me as a bad chatter (assuming that they see the sender?).

doppelgreener

4:32 PM

i think they see who posted the message, but naturally wouldn't see who raised the flag

user92578

I wonder why that's a thing, seeing the message poster. I don't think that should play a role.

doppelgreener

"curse words aren't OK" is the default stack exchange chat environment. i'm not going to enforce that personally, but that's out of concession to y'all having such a major change suddenly.

"curse words at people isn't OK" is also the default and the portion i'll directly enforce

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Tyyppi_77 As said before, the users can go see the chat transcript, so obviously, they can see who posted it.

user92578

Yes but initially.

doppelgreener

@Tyyppi_77 i imagine if it's because if we see multiple flags involving the same 1-2 individuals, something serious is going on that needs more attention

user92578

4:35 PM

Yeah that was my point here, nothing serious was going down.

doppelgreener

it's not my experience that people will validate a flag against a person just because of who said it, thankfully

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Well if there is a tool to go see who it is, why not just show the whole line right away, including the author?

Sometimes, the flag can be raised for 'abuse' and not 'offensive'. If I were to post a single ascii art, it would pass, but if I were to post tons of ascii art, then I'd get flagged; flag handlers would need to see the context.

doppelgreener

@AlexandreVaillancourt i have in fact been called in by a custom flag to deal with such a situation.

not here of course

the position of chat in the network is that we're representing mainsite as well as the network -- chat isn't secluded and separate, it's sometimes the very first, or one of the first, things visitors to the network will see. we want to provide a welcoming safe atmosphere for people, and things like swearing are going to make it feel less welcoming and safe and potentially even actively drive people away.

i don't think that what happened was necessarily going to have that bad effect, and i agree it wasn't too serious -- the conversation was just heated.

user92578

I guess I'm just bothered by the fact that I got suspended and the one posting links to pirating videos didn't.

doppelgreener

that's understandable :(

user92578

4:41 PM

I.e. I, coming from a point of view supporting perhaps the more "right" side of morale of the network got punished. Sure, I used words I shouldn't and that weren't necessary but it still feels wrong.

doppelgreener

5:09 PM

i guess if it's kinda like how if superman saved the day by punching enough babies, people would still be pretty horrified he punched all those babies.

Simon Forsberg

5:22 PM

@DukeZhou IP as in "Internet Protocol" or "Intellectual Property"? Probably the latter.

Either way, I'm looking forward to the beta.

DukeZhou

5:41 PM

@SimonForsberg Intellectual Property lol

(we don't want a repeat of 2048!)

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@AlexandreVaillancourt Less that 100!

doppelgreener

@AlexandreVaillancourt woo!

Alexandre Vaillancourt

:D

DukeZhou

5:55 PM

@SimonForsberg It is starting to shape up. I had to rewrite the tutorial text ~15 times to get it to flow, choosing "Hollywood rule" of writing at a 6th grade level (which I later lowered to 4th grade, just to be safe;)

Curio

6:11 PM

Curio has returned

@ShaunWild here I am

user92578

6:46 PM

Looks like summer sales are on, which means that I'll probably go live with my arcade update tomorrow

doppelgreener

7:28 PM

@Tyyppi_77 Woo!

user4704

Oh boy, I have a bunch of games I've been thinking about getting.

Curio

7:44 PM

I have a problem with my game

When you lose, you can restart it. If you restart it a lot of times, the game starts to begin strange: the music doesn't play anymore and the back button is called very late

Also the home button

DH.

@Tyyppi_77 It's a good idea to get an update AND a sale together: twice the chances to attract someone!

user92578

7:57 PM

@DH. Yeah, I'll use an update visibility thing on the store, might get some more views with that, all though probably not a whole lot

doppelgreener

@Curio this sounds like you're keeping & updating all previous instances of the game.

or otherwise not cleanly refreshing back to an original clean state

Curio

you're right, in fact now I'm correcting it, but I don't know if it'll work

DH.

Omg Steam is getting some heavy load

Also, for those interested, Killing Floor 1 is free here

doppelgreener

8:30 PM

oh this comes to mind: could those who haven't voted yet on our mathjax feature request do so?

11

Q: Can we enable MathJax on GDSE? (revisited)

This has been discussed before in math markdown on this site, but I'd like to have some fresh discussion of this matter. Circumstances have changed in the meantime. The discussion of 2011 seems to consider it a foregone conclusion GDSE can't & won't get MathJax, but sites such as RPG Stack Exchan...

feature-request formatting

(including if you hate it i guess :U)

DukeZhou

8:49 PM

@doppelgreener done and done. (you have my support, for whatever that's worth!)

doppelgreener

thank you! :)

DH.

9:06 PM

Dumb me fogot to upvote de answer lol

DukeZhou

(Not like anyone ever answers my math questions, but I'm still in support)

doppelgreener

9:27 PM

@DH. thank you also :D

@DukeZhou i actually like maths questions and answers, though i'm rusty & need to go back to studying vectors & matrices & quaternions again :)

they were pretty fun once i'd gotten the hang of them

DukeZhou

@doppelgreener Nice. there's some matrix algebra in what I'm doing, and vectors are quite important

But then I go talking about stuff like negative array indices to reduce functions (which many people like to tell me is not a thing, even though it is and some languages even allow it;)

doppelgreener

wow XD