Game Development

It's going to be themed pretty much just like Stargate: Atlantis, but instead of stargates, you'll be traveling to other dimensions with portals/rifts.

John McDonald

yeah, I had a lot of fun with the train system in my server

@MindWorX nice

thedaian

12:17 AM

@DeveloperAaron so, what version of rpg maker did you get, and did you read and follow the instructions for installing it?

Developer_Aaron

yes

thedaian

@MindWorX now you're thinking with portals!

Developer_Aaron

@thedaian did everything by the book

MindWorX

@thedaian I'm actually planning a portal gun, as part of an easter egg, Aperture Science inspired realm. :P

thedaian

lol

Pablo Ariel

12:19 AM

@JohnMcDonald I made a few things, some machines, then I tried to copy a house from a picture of a real house to minecraft cubes, it worked nice enough, and then I drawn something, in a 100x100x50 space, then I didn't want to play anymore for a while

I think I've played like a month

MindWorX

Well, gotta head to bed. Got a day shift coming up in... 4 hours... Oh boy...

thedaian

i've been in and out of minecraft addition for... a long time now.

Pablo Ariel

4 hours x_X

Developer_Aaron

have fun

John McDonald

ah yeah. One of my last creations was a lighthouse, complete with a "rotating light"

Pablo Ariel

12:21 AM

@thedaian I'd got more hardcore if I had the time >_<

John McDonald

You should see how many redstone torches that one took

Pablo Ariel

ahh cool, I've seen one in a video, they look nice

John McDonald

Oh, and a kick-ass "shifting" cart delivery system

Pablo Ariel

that must be really big too

haha nice

how's the shifting?

MindWorX

<3 waves

John McDonald

12:22 AM

cell.stat-life.com/…

The second image there

thedaian

most of my minecraft worlds were short term though. i lost my original infinite world and kind of wandered around various servers for a while, improving the transit systems when i could

Pablo Ariel

good =)

John McDonald

I've been too lazy to make a youtube of it, but not lazy enough to not write about it

Pablo Ariel

I didn't play much with the minecarts yet

well it's better to write about it, I think

John McDonald

Oh man, that's like the best part

thedaian

12:23 AM

high five, openttd!

John McDonald

:D

High five

Pablo Ariel

i did some youtube xD youtube.com/watch?v=7EFr4uuJYKA

Jimmy

I never got enough iron to build huge minecart systems

it's easier now that I can raid abandoned mineshafts for supplies

Pablo Ariel

and these are some pics about my minecrafting days picasaweb.google.com/101852552240853074237/…

John McDonald

A few of us on our server did a craptonne of mining and building: minecraft.writhem.com

Pablo Ariel

12:26 AM

now I want a similar system for prototyping

Developer_Aaron

wow thats really good aye :D

John McDonald

Our whole train system was underground, so you have to click the Cave mode to see any of it

Pablo Ariel

I wish I had so mcuh time XD

John McDonald

Yeah, I wish you could buy time... wait...

Developer_Aaron

i would show you my castle that i made :d

its like almost 500 blocks high and 750 wide

John McDonald

12:29 AM

yeah, most of what you see there was built by my friends

Developer_Aaron

its built half way into the ground

John McDonald

damn

Pablo Ariel

that would be great, buying some time, so my life gets longer...

Developer_Aaron

i got really bored at work so i started playing minecraft

Pablo Ariel

my youth

Developer_Aaron

12:31 AM

one of the walls is pure obsidian

thedaian

first minecraft world i ever really messed with: thedaian.dreamhosters.com/sa/mc_map_2.png (ages ago, prior to infinite worlds)

Developer_Aaron

it took like a whole day

Pablo Ariel

I made a machine to make obsidian in my survival game and made a lot of obsidian

thedaian

and a map of the first infinite world i had with a 1km road to nowhere: thedaian.dreamhosters.com/sa/minecraft/map1.png

Jimmy

@PabloAriel: buying a person's time happens all the time... I think it's called a "job"

Pablo Ariel

12:32 AM

ah but I want to do everything myself

Jimmy

you can make obsidian? I thought you had to mine lava for it

Pablo Ariel

I don't want other people to play for me

Developer_Aaron

same

Jimmy

I mean, if you pay yourself your salary, you can stop going to work

thus buying your own time back.

Pablo Ariel

@Jimmy I'm working on it

Developer_Aaron

12:33 AM

how did you make the machine @PabloAriel

John McDonald

:) yeah, @Jimmy got it

Pablo Ariel

you can get some lava sources and then drop water on it

Developer_Aaron

yeah but you said you made a machine

thedaian

(redstone plus water plus lava plus magic plus whatever)

Jimmy

yeah, but you still have to bring up the buckets of lava right?

Pablo Ariel

12:34 AM

my machine just allows to let a water current into a big pool where you comfortably place the lava, then turn a lever and doors closes and water flows

Developer_Aaron

i would say so

Pablo Ariel

yoiu can always drop water over a natural pool of lava

Jimmy

I prefer to just mine obsidian underground -- dump a layer of water over the obsidian you're mining and it usually prevents it from falling into the next layer.

Pablo Ariel

but you can then leave some lava sources in the lower layers

Developer_Aaron

you could always use sticky pistons

Pablo Ariel

12:35 AM

yes but I hadn't when I built it

ohk

gtg ttyl!

later =)

ok bye

do you guys use any mods?

Pablo Ariel

I didn't knew minecraft last month

no I don't, yet

Developer_Aaron

12:38 AM

oh :D they can be so fun

Pablo Ariel

I guess

Developer_Aaron

theres one called the weeping angels mod

have yo seen doctor who

Pablo Ariel

but now I don't think I play much minecraft until my client is working >_<

mm no I don't remember

Developer_Aaron

the state things

statue

Developer_Aaron

1:02 AM

ok boys i think its time for lunch :D

justnS

1:38 AM

hey all

Developer_Aaron

hey again

justnS

hows the girl thing going?

Developer_Aaron

shit

i got a little bored so i Downloaded pokemon hacking tools and im editing pokemon

justnS

2:01 AM

ha, still at work?

Developer_Aaron

yeah

i am fucking done with girls

for like a month or so

justnS

yeah, it sucks man. Sorry you're going through a rough patch.

Developer_Aaron

yeah nah tis all good

thedaian

haha, "for like a month or so"

date guys for a month

tell your ex she turned you gay

Developer_Aaron

hahah

justnS

2:18 AM

At work, I've got two gorgeous 24'' 1920X1200 monitors...

then I come home to my very 'bleh' 19'' 1280X1024

Developer_Aaron

ive got 1 24" 1920X1200 moniter and an aleinwar laptop

Pablo Ariel

@justnS you should work a while with my 17'' crt then your 19'' one will feel awesome

Developer_Aaron

hahaha

justnS

so true

They let me pick between an alienware and a dell precision

Developer_Aaron

and??

justnS

2:24 AM

oh of course, the dell precision

:)

Developer_Aaron

bitch

justnS

But then they murdered it with encrypting the harddrive

so now i have an eMachine

Developer_Aaron

haha

FML

justnS

2:48 AM

Working on a corridor 3D flight sim. Trying to get the 'feel' on the controls right, but its still not perfect. Anyone know of any games like this on steam that utilize a controller?

Think 'StarFox 64' for the feel of the 3D flight corridor

Developer_Aaron

idk sorry

Developer_Aaron

3:07 AM

thats just confuzing :(

MindWorX

3:48 AM

@PabloAriel Working with a 2560x1600 30" monitor, will make everything else feel like crap. ;)

Developer_Aaron

4:09 AM

haha

@MindWorX lol thats soo true

justnS

2560x1600? dang, I bet you dropped some stacks for that

Developer_Aaron

HE PROBABLY DID

MindWorX

Actually, it was a gift from my ex. :P

Developer_Aaron

wtf

lucky bitch

MindWorX

But it was still expensive, ~$1500.

ClassicThunder

4:19 AM

Can I have her/his phone number? ;)

MindWorX

Haha

Developer_Aaron

hahaha

classsic

MindWorX

Nice timing. :P

Developer_Aaron

it was aye

what did you do for that

MindWorX

Turn 24? :P

Developer_Aaron

4:20 AM

ok then

MindWorX

Developer_Aaron

mustve been hard to turn 24 :P

MindWorX

As you can see, I severely needed it.

I keep running out of screen estate when reversing.

That's a screenshot from my old dual 19" setup.

Developer_Aaron

yeah i mean all that cheating

:P

should hook up 3 moniters

MindWorX

That's my new setup, shows the difference in screen estate.

Developer_Aaron

4:24 AM

niice i see the warcraft 3 map editor there

MindWorX

@Developer_Aaron It's actually nothing to do with cheating, Cheat Engine is just a great and light weight debugger.

Developer_Aaron

i know

MindWorX

You done much WC3 development?

Developer_Aaron

yeah i have made like tonnes of maps but i mainly specialise in creating vampirisim maps

MindWorX

Ever heard of Reinventing the Craft?

Developer_Aaron

4:25 AM

yeah i heard alittle bit about that

MindWorX

That was my project, and the screenshot shows me working on it. :P

Developer_Aaron

yeah nice how long did that take you?

MindWorX

On that screenshot, I just found out I could modify abilities on the run, like change their duration, their damage, everything.

Oh, it was a project I worked on for years.

It's abandoned now, since I wanted to move to something I could actually make a living of instead.

Developer_Aaron

are you serious

ahh yeah nice

MindWorX

But all my years hacking has taught me a bunch of useful things. Like memory consumption and optimizations.

Developer_Aaron

4:29 AM

yeah yeah

MindWorX

Each tile in my game engine only takes 4 bytes of space in memory, which means I can have 250+ million tiles in 1GB of memory, which is the internal limit I set.

On top of that, I have procedurally infinite worlds and filebacked worlds.

Developer_Aaron

yeah aye

ClassicThunder

Sounds nice. Is there a homepage where I can take a look at what you are working on?

MindWorX

legeria.net

Latest debug has a procedural world, Latest stable has a static world loaded from a png file.

I'm still in engine development, so don't expect awesome graphics and stuff like that. ;)

And expect bugs.

Also, left mouse fires a laser, right mouse fires a projectile. AD and Space for movement.

Later W and S will be for climbing.

ClassicThunder

Similar to a steampunk/sci fi terraria?

MindWorX

4:33 AM

Going to be scifi when I get a proper artist. Stargate: Atlantis inspired.

So current/near future technology, but you'll find lots of other technology as you explore.

The engine supports multiple realms, so you can have your own home realm, and hundreds of alternate realms where physics will be completely different, and you find other types of tiles.

One example of an alternate realm may be somehow getting to the moon orbiting your home planet. Lower gravity, no oxygen realm, barren of resources.

Developer_Aaron

nice idea

MindWorX

Yeah, I think it'll work out great.

Bring along my Circuit system which is something like Redstone from Minecraft and Wiremod from Garrys Mod, and you can do all sorts of interesting things.

ClassicThunder

Terraria's proved there market for this sort of thing and the scifi will make it stand out from the flood of minecraft clones, so I like it.

Developer_Aaron

interesting :D should turn out good

i hate work

im still at work

ClassicThunder

I like work. I hate college. College is always :(

MindWorX

4:41 AM

@ClassicThunder I agree, the scifi theme will give this a new look, and make it look like less of a clone.

Also, I'm adding a bunch of dynamic objects, like conveyor belts, a railing system, pistons and moving platforms, which is all things Terraria is missing, which is things that are important for a 2D platform game.

Dynamic objects is my current todo. So I've just reworked the physics a bit, and the next step is adding something like pistons or moving platforms to test things.

Developer_Aaron

collio

ClassicThunder

A lot of those things are coming Dec 1st. Terraria is adding something very similar to the red stone from minecraft.

It will be interesting to compare the two when yours is done. Terraia was made with XNA also.

MindWorX

Yeah, Terraria inspired me, and after Tiy was a douche after I offered my help for free, I decided to make my own game, better.

Did you know that Terraria has a limit of 40mil tiles? And that's if you hack the engine.

That's two large worlds, and you can't have more.

And they're talking about implementing a system similar to my multiple realms thing.

Going to require a lot of refactoring to get that off the ground.

Well, off to work, I may be back later.

waves

ClassicThunder

later

Gajet

7:39 AM

@mindworx: your game seems pretty good. the most amazing thing is that I was digging for more than 20 mins and your application almost didn't consume any memory! also it was still fast enough, after that much going down.

but the pattern created are all most all like each other. it would be nice if you add more types of tiles (like gold/ lead/ silver/ carbon/ platinum/ oil/ lava/ ...) which behave different.

for example fireing projectile near oil tiles, can explode them, which will destroy huge area.

you can get more idea, from [motherload game](www.miniclip.com/games/motherload/en/).

MindWorX

1:46 PM

@Gajet, Yeah, I'm planning on adding lots of tiles. I have room for 254 base types(dirt, stone, metals, etc.), 254 over types(grass, ice, etc.) and 254 background types.

The limit can be increased at the cost of memory, but my engine is getting more and more effecient, so another byte wont be a problem.

The only reason I don't have all sorts of tiles right now, is because I only just recently settled on the theme for the game, and because I'm going to focus on tiles once I hit the gameplay stage, where I start making the different combinations of tiles, and what tiles should be used for.

Each tile needs a purpose, if they don't have one, I need to reconsider why I even want the type in the game.

Metals are obvious since they're the base for much of the things you're going to craft. Dirt has the purpose of being a filler type. Stone is a harder filler type, with a few uses. Sand can be used to make glass, which in turn can be used for an array of things.

Martin Sojka

2:11 PM

@MindWorX Did you check DwarfFortress' block types for inspiration? :)

MindWorX

I did not. Do they have a wiki?

Martin Sojka

They do: soil types, stone types

MindWorX

Nice. Definitely worth keeping in mind.

Martin Sojka

Oh, and ores and gems too ..

Williham Totland

3:37 PM

Boom!

thedaian

Headshot!

MindWorX

Shit just got real!

John McDonald

Now we're mixing fiction

justnS

Good morning ... Western Hemisphere-ians

MindWorX

I'm not western.

Well, I guess that depends on where you're located.

justnS

3:47 PM

Good evening?

MindWorX

It's evening.

thedaian

Good TIME OF DAY!

justnS

Good evening, @MindWorX

MindWorX

But I'm heading to bed. Turns out 1 hour of sleep in 26 hours isn't optimal.

justnS

I've heard that before.

MindWorX

3:49 PM

Lucky my passengers didn't know that. ;)

Anyways, cya. waves

justnS

ha, later man.

MindWorX

4:40 PM

So...

That didn't work very well.

About 5 minutes after I went to bed, I got company.

thedaian

2 hours of sleep in 27 hours

oh

justnS

well

take a handful of no-doze

Martin Sojka

@MindWorX Cats? Girlfriend? Other attention-grabbing entities?

MindWorX

3rd choice.

A friend who owed me money. And in a few minutes, another friend who has no money is coming over to get some dinner.

thedaian

take money from friend A, give to friend B so they can buy dinner, go back to bed

justnS

4:51 PM

leet problem solving skills, @thedaian

MindWorX

Considering the money I just got back would cover dinner for two weeks, I think it's cheaper to just give dinner tonight, and sleep later. :P

thedaian

if money from friend A > cost of dinner for friend B, give friend B enough money to cover dinner for one meal

Williham Totland

So I'm stuck on some stuff here; a bit tangential, but I'll take my chances.

Working on a ray tracer (for fun!)

MindWorX

Fancy word.

Williham Totland

But having some troubles with my ray/sphere intersection code.

thedaian

4:54 PM

hah, i see what you did there

Williham Totland

I think it has to do with my ray transformations.

And I'm getting frustrated, and that's no good.

MindWorX

I have 2D ray code. :P

I should have a blog or something for my random thoughts.

The assembly trick I did is something I haven't seen anywhere before.

Even though there's a lot of people requesting __fastcall help when using C# for things like injection.

justnS

@MindWorX I'd read it.

MindWorX

I guess when I start my Legeria devblog, I could also throw random thoughts in it under a different tag.

Jimmy

@MindWorX: inline IL would be cool too

MindWorX

5:03 PM

Can't you do something like that with Emit?

I've never used Emit before, I'm just assuming stuff.

Jimmy

hmmm perhaps I haven't used it either

MindWorX

Did you see my __fastcall trick @Jimmy?

Williham Totland

Bah.

I think I've found the problem.

MindWorX

It's both unbelievably crazy and awesome at the same time.

Williham Totland

I've been using premultiplied transformation matrices.

But it seems as if that is in fact a bad idea, maybe.

Jimmy

5:05 PM

@MindWorX yeah I saw it

Williham Totland

5:26 PM

Bah

I'm going to have to reduce my transformations to a stack of standard matrices.

Jimmy

stacks are nice

Williham Totland

6:59 PM

Arhglbargl!

Why won't this work?

MindWorX

7:10 PM

Cause you're a murloc?

Williham Totland

You're thinking of "mrgl".

The Murloc goes "Mmmmmrrrrrgl!"

Williham Totland

7:23 PM

Oh well; stackoverflow.com/questions/8331675/…

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Q: Line/Ray-intersection not working as expected

I've been working on cobbling together a ray tracer. You know, for fun. So far most things are going as planned, but as soon as I started transforming my test spheres, it all went awry. The fundamental concept is using one of standard shapes as origin, transforming the camera rays into object sp...

Twinborn

Hey, anyone experienced with Flash/AS3 around?

Developer_Aaron

8:47 PM

@MindWorX hey im back

Twinborn

9:22 PM

hey all

anyone around?

TreDubZedd

Barely

Twinborn

tredub

man it's been like a year lol, how you doing man?

TreDubZedd

Putting one foot in front of the other

Developer_Aaron

im back

Twinborn

lol

wb

BRB one sec

Developer_Aaron

9:30 PM

ok

Twinborn

Back, so do any of you guys use flash still?

Developer_Aaron

kinda

no as much as i used to

thedaian

i think XNA is the main choice for a lot of people in here right now

TreDubZedd

I haven't looked at flash in quite a while

Twinborn

my buddy and I are going to be using unity but before that we want to get the fundamentals under our belt with flash

Developer_Aaron

9:33 PM

yeah

umm unity i use and it mainly runs on javascript

Twinborn

yea

Developer_Aaron

yes! :D

thedaian

there's.... quite a bit of difference between unity and flash, seems like it'd be better to just dive right into unity

Developer_Aaron

yeah it is ithats pretty much what i did

Twinborn

yeah I was just wondering if anyone knew of any good short references or literature on flash games

Developer_Aaron

9:38 PM

nah sorry

Twinborn

and your opinions of working from scratch or utilizing a framework

thedaian

i'd probably use flixel or flashpunk, myself

and i'm pretty sure both of those have tutorials

Developer_Aaron

i used a framework but i comes down to personal preferance

Twinborn

yeah I will research into them and then figure out which way is the best to go

unity will be fun though

Developer_Aaron

sweet

Twinborn

9:43 PM

3D modeling is the ez part, wish I was a better dev lol

Developer_Aaron

yeah same

dosent everyone

thedaian

@Twinborn seriously, just start with unity. if you're a 3d modeler, then it's a better option all around, and there's not enough similarity between flash and unity to make it worthwhile to actually learn flash if you'd rather use unity

Twinborn

yeah true eh

Developer_Aaron

10:31 PM

anyone here still

thedaian

not really

Developer_Aaron

yeah true

are you like a moderator or something

thedaian

nope