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Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
6:00 PM
@Slereah aah gamedev has the best bug descriptions
 
Slereah
Slereah
There, fixed
Wrong section on the sprite set for the up animation :p
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
Off-by-one?
 
Lasse
Lasse
in a game I'm working on, some cars leaves milk all over the place
 
Slereah
Slereah
Do go on
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
Milk, the new biofuel!
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
6:01 PM
@Lasse I don't want to sound rude, so please take this in good faith. There are a lot of relevant topics to game design that are too advanced for here. People wouldn't follow, there's no point to sharing. That's fine! We all start somewhere, but you know what I mean.
 
Slereah
Slereah
I am intrigued now
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
If someone developed a really cool and useful heuristic for squad-tactics, I'd want to hear all about that and that would be a long convo.
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
@AlecTeal I agree with the point, but I don't agree with the conclusion; That's not a bad thing, assuming the people that don't understand won't derail the conversation much
 
Lasse
Lasse
I don't care if it's a long conversation, it can still be here
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
But the people here are generally very good at googling first and asking second if they don't understand an active topic
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
6:02 PM
Say someone was struggling with RTS AI - we talk about neural networks and how they actually worked in SCII. All that good stuff. That was the motivation for it.
@KevinvanderVelden they're not. I learned that with Almo's "I'll help this new guy with pointer stuff" while not knowing what a pointer was (really, I can probably find the logs), there were *s and &s everywhere. Questions like "is a pointer basically an address" and stuff like that, I want that to stay here.
 
Lasse
Lasse
I want everything to stay here
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
@AlecTeal was that interrupting a different topic though? I wasn't there for that
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
@Lasse I hypothesised from the lack of new blood (despite the growth of the user base) that people like me were actually being scared off because... this isn't the best chat (there's a lot of what reddit would call "circlejerks" and such) hence the second room, where I've invited the odd user.
 
Lokkij
Lokkij
@Lasse You can't just say 'some cars leave milk all over the place' and not explain it.
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
@Lokkij I thought I explained it, it's a new biofuel! The sellers think it's great because you have to go to the pumps every few days otherwise it smells terrible
 
Lasse
Lasse
6:06 PM
It's more interesting if left unexplained
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
@KevinvanderVelden it became a hot topic for 3 hours. I got bored and left half way through, was still going later. Now I'm not against people learning to program and stuff, and I think they should be welcome to a gamedev site. However I want a chat I check the scrollback for.
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
@AlecTeal well, the problem is, there's just not enough people to support 2 chats
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
@KevinvanderVelden I doubt that, I've been talking to people from comments and dragging them there, also Skype and emails and there's no overlap with those in here so far. As I said before I don't want this spilling over there.
I also don't want a discussion on it. I wanted to try, see what happened, and that was really it. If I get bored and forget, so be it. If it dies, nothing ventured.
As I said, mountains out of molehills.
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
Well, I can see JoshPetrie's viewpoint now
That sounds like actively trying to split the community in 2
Which, you know, the community would generally consider a bad thing
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
By bringing new blood into a separate chat room?
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
6:09 PM
Yes
 
Lasse
Lasse
They should be brought here
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
You don't think that if the new people like it, they may spill out in here?
 
Lokkij
Lokkij
I can see Alec's point. I don't see much harm in trying it out, honestly.
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
@Lokkij what would happen if it succeeded though?
Then we'd have 2 chatrooms for the same thing for no good (as far as I can tell) reason
 
Lokkij
Lokkij
I might have a third room to hang out in! ;)
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
6:11 PM
@KevinvanderVelden mathoverflow and math.se coincide well.
One is for "hardcore maths" and the other one is for my maths :P
 
Lokkij
Lokkij
I can see that some people who dislike the character of this room might like to join the 'more serious' room.
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
There are some users who overlap, and who switch back and forth, the odd cross post. This is smaller than that.
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
@AlecTeal they also have a larger target audience than chat =p
 
Slereah
Slereah
Is it best to have separate sprites for objects at rest and in movement
Currently the sprite at rest is just frame 0 of the movement sprite
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
Both have advantages
Same sprite means (probably) less resources required
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
6:13 PM
@KevinvanderVelden not if they don't follow it. Mathoverflow is for maths I cannot even read. If you don't know the basics (which is fine) you shouldn't be there. we have math.se for that.
 
Lokkij
Lokkij
I don't think many people in here will leave this room, though it could detract new people from coming into this room (which might be bad, because this room would be the more newbie-friendly room).
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
1
Q: How to make a timed delay between two lines of code in C#?

user3583094So let's say I have one line of code, and then another. How would I make a delay between those two lines of code. In case it matters any, I'm also doing this for Unity3D. I've looked everywhere, but nothing will work. Things like System.Threading.Thread.Sleep(5000); work, but they block off th...

c# unity3d delay unity5
Le sigh
Soooo many times has this been asked
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
@Lokkij this chat is linked on the site, the first on the list sorted by activity and alphabetically.
But if that was a problem, it could be addressed later.
Right now, the people like me (again, take it in good faith) are 'scared off' - I've just given it an extra hard go by clicking the "create new room" button.
 
Lokkij
Lokkij
True. I don't see much harm in trying your proposal (even though I think it might very well fail).
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
@Lokkij by every metric it is failing, what's annoying is I cannot be left to fail by Josh.
 
Wardy
Wardy
6:16 PM
@AlecTeal scared off ?
by us?
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
There's a core group of 4 users who stick very close together and see it as your job to teach them and have formed a circlejerk really (are there other names for this?)
I came here once in 2014, "got scared off" by the community, came back (by accident, not remembering) a year later and similar things happened.
 
Wardy
Wardy
SE got troll groupies?
 
Lokkij
Lokkij
What is the point of this chatroom if not teaching each other new things?
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
@AlecTeal was one of them mick?
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
No but despite that I don't want to expand on it.
I don't want a convo about it, I'm already seen as splitting the community :P
@Wardy there are a few groups, especially in the chat. As time goes on they get more and more established - I suppose this happens anywhere though.
 
Wardy
Wardy
6:21 PM
There are guys in here i quite like a regular discussion with, it's nice knowing they will be here if I login
 
Lokkij
Lokkij
Groups are fine (and mostly positive) as long as they're not unwelcoming to others.
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
So I was like "I don't want your politics, I don't want to learn your customs, I don't care about your views on what pointers are - I want to discuss cool stuff!"
 
Wardy
Wardy
Yeh i'm much the same
I ome here to chat about my game dev technical problems
if i don't get that I just go looking elsewhere
It's happened a few times
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
Same.
I don't want to talk about having a separate channel for it either BTW.
 
Wardy
Wardy
I find this community a bit hit and miss times because of certain peoples preferred lines of discussions
 
Lokkij
Lokkij
6:23 PM
 
Wardy
Wardy
Would rather this chat be on topic only
@Lokkij That sort of thing is exactly why i want to be here
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
@Wardy I don't mind the social stuff, also there are different levels of ability in here. This is why I want > 1 chat.
 
Lokkij
Lokkij
@Wardy I figured this would be the perfect moment to insert a good, game(dev)-related article. :D
 
Wardy
Wardy
@AlecTeal ah I see what you mean
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
@Wardy did you get the invite?
 
Wardy
Wardy
6:26 PM
the "lets get down to business" room and then the "lets just chill" room
@AlecTeal looks like it :)
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
Also @Lokkij you'd think, but it depends on the time of day. Also that's quite accessible (from the look if it) there are some "nasty" problems with hard to chew papers that also count!
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
\o
 
Lokkij
Lokkij
o/
 
user4704
@AlecTeal I'm not going to freeze the room again, but I will rename it if there's no consensus to split the chat rooms.
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
No one wants to split @JoshPetrie
 
user4704
6:29 PM
What you are doing is.
 
user4704
Regardless of whether or not you intend that.
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
What I am doing? You mean teaching Aracthor about stack variables without exceptions?
I'm surprised the community still stands.
 
user4704
You created a room that is part of GDSE and named it in a fashion that looks like it's the site's room for game engine discussion.
 
user4704
That's not something one person gets to do, that's something the GDSE community should decide.
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
You created a meta about it without my consent giving the impression I somehow endorse it that misses the purpose despite me taking a long time to explain it to you.
 
user4704
6:31 PM
I don't need your consent.
 
user4704
Anybody can create a topic on meta to discuss the site.
 
user4704
This is part of the site.
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
I've asked a community mod to intervene, please do the same. I'd really like someone impartial in on this @JoshPetrie
There's a conflict of interest when someone against it from day one is the person who presents the case to the community, and gets to ultimately do the response. But as an act of good faith, I shall put "NOT AFFILIATED WITH GDSE" in the topic.
 
user4704
Well, I tried to be as impartial as I could in the posting.
 
user4704
But our original intent was to just close the room after the two week trial period.
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
6:35 PM
@JoshPetrie as you know, mods can communicate privately with users, you could have used that facility. You could have waited until I could actually post, you could have told me you were doing it. you could have started a chat with me....
 
user4704
I'm sorry, I told you several times in our initial conversation that you should post this on meta.
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
I've changed the title anyway, I'll pin a link to this chat room, please get a community moderator involved. @JoshPetrie
I declined and gave reasons each time. This is not the place for it either Josh.
 
user4704
This is absolutely the place
 
user4704
You are ON THE SITE.
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
See another reason we need a second chat, where can people talk on topic why we're doing this?
 
user4704
6:37 PM
You need to follow the rules of the SE network and the conventions of the sub-site you're on.
 
user4704
You can't just ignore them and decline to participate in the site's community and policy-making process and then refuse to accept the decisions of that process.
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
I'm going to withdraw from this now but could you please ask a community mod to step in @JoshPetrie (or @Noctrine )
@JoshPetrie last comment: as I told you before if you don't like it talk on the main meta about getting the "create chat room button" removed.
 
user4704
The create chat button has a purpose.
 
user4704
That purpose is not to unilaterally create permanent chat rooms that appear to be alternatives the site's primary chat room.
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
See also the gaming site, there's a bunch of other chatrooms beside the bridge for specific games
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
6:40 PM
@JoshPetrie I've added a pinned comment saying this is not the main room. Again, good faith, please get that community mod.
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
Lol what type of argument is this
 
user4704
@AlecTeal One was paged a while ago.
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
@TheMuffinCoder a weird one
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
Lol I'm so confused
LOL how long has been going on
I'm going to read this from the beginning, seems humorous
 
Wardy
Wardy
@JoshPetrie Random thought though, if a chat room can be created with any name and becomes popular maybe the code in the site should make it permanent
most chat rooms are created then just die out from no use after a while
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
6:47 PM
@Wardy that's done by virtue of them not getting killed
I.e. a room is permanent until it's killed, it's killed when they're not used
 
user4704
Yeah.
 
Wardy
Wardy
So arent all rooms temporary?
 
user4704
Yup.
 
Wardy
Wardy
So how is what Alec is doing against the site rules in some way?
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
No such thing as permanence in system =p
 
user4704
6:48 PM
It's not against the rules.
 
user4704
If it was, this would have been over two weeks ago.
 
Wardy
Wardy
Oh ok ... so whats the debate about? (i feel like i missed some important detail)
 
user4704
Whether or not we should have two chat rooms.
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
And about not going ahead with it while meta is deciding
 
user4704
The part of it that relates to Alec's room is that it was the most-recent catalyst.
 
user4704
6:50 PM
And that his room as currently set up (and named) appears to be an already-sanctioned on-topic room.
 
Wardy
Wardy
Surely the response to that is "sure go create one, if it's popular then it'll be done, if not then it wont?"
 
user4704
Yes, that's what we said two weeks ago.
 
user4704
"We'll give this two weeks, and then we'll do something about it ("we" being the moderators)."
 
Wardy
Wardy
@JoshPetrie whats a sactioned room as opposed to any other room?
 
user4704
What we decided to do about it was post on meta.
 
user4704
6:51 PM
@Wardy A room on a game development site that says "game technology and internals talk here."
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
Can we stop this drama? Seriously, mountain out of a molehill.
 
Wardy
Wardy
arent all rooms under the sactioned guise until closed?
 
Lasse
Lasse
How do I invite a user to a chat? I don't see a button on the user's profile
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
Lol I love how I always come when there's drama! :D
Pretty interesting :P
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
Seriously flagger?
 
user4704
6:52 PM
@Wardy I'm not parsing that?
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
LOL
 
Wardy
Wardy
Sorry i'm not being argumentative ... just trying to determine the distinction between "sactioned" and "just any room"
 
user4704
What do you mean?
 
user4704
Oh.
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
Hey guy's I don't understand, you guys want a even more specific room (separate one)? There aren't even a lot of people here for that :P
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
6:53 PM
Also, TIL: You can only mark flags as invalid every few seconds
@TheMuffinCoder no, mostly alec wants one
Despite him not actually being an active member of this chatroom, which is the weirdest thing about it to me
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
lol then why not just ignore him then continue with that debate and stuff? :P
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
But I don't want you guys in it. <--partially in jest.
 
Wardy
Wardy
if all rooms are "sactioned" until the room owner closes them is the meta discussion really just a question of "can i create a room with a given name" rather than "let make a big deal about breaking up a chat room"
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
LOL
That sounds so harsh
"But I don't want you guys in it." :(
I'm sorry I'm a newbie programmer
 
Lasse
Lasse
2 mins ago, by Lasse
How do I invite a user to a chat? I don't see a button on the user's profile
 
Wardy
Wardy
6:54 PM
@TheMuffinCoder yeh that was what i was going to point out next
 
Lasse
Lasse
please
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
@Lasse click their name in the transcript and you'll see an "invite user to"
 
Lasse
Lasse
I mean on the site
 
user4704
@Wardy That would be a fair separate discussion; I think the issue of whether or not to split the room is worth having the meta post about.
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
Link it and name them in a comment.
 
user4704
6:54 PM
As we tried it before
 
Wardy
Wardy
Am I coming across argumentative?
 
user4704
And it would be nice to have the documentation.
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
Please don't make a separate room, I want to be in the chat with the cool kids so I can leech of their knowledge =^.^=
 
Wardy
Wardy
I really dont mean to
 
user4704
I don't think you are.
 
Wardy
Wardy
6:55 PM
ok cool :)
 
Lokkij
Lokkij
@TheMuffinCoder Don't worry, we're not going anywhere :D
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
Thx Lokkij! :D
Hey I'm also wondering
 
Wardy
Wardy
@JoshPetrie so if i created a room and called it "Unity Game Development" surely thats just a normal sactioned chat room?
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
Why doesn't Alec teal just go and make this separate room already
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
I did.
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
6:56 PM
Lol can i see
 
Wardy
Wardy
@TheMuffinCoder he did lol
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
I wanna visit :P
I'll bring cookies
 
user4704
@Wardy You could, I'd have the same questions about it.
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
As you can see none of you lot are in it. It's where I talk to people who have never participated in this chat room (so new blood, not stolen old blood)
 
user4704
But in addition to the name I see the "sanctioning" as basically having passed the community's vote for a thing that should exist and should be kept, and moderated, and so on.
 
Lasse
Lasse
6:58 PM
I guess the user needs to be an active chat user for being able to invite him to the chat form the main site?
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
:( I get warned about being serious even after nothing saying anything
No cookies for U Alec (>")>🍪
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
@Lasse just drop them a comment saying "wanna continue this in chat"
 
user4704
@Lasse They need a chat account to have been created, and they need the relevant reputation, I think.
 
user4704
(20 cross-site)
 
Lasse
Lasse
He's got 100. The issue is not gamedev related so I'm not inviting him here
 
user4704
6:59 PM
There's a super-involved process you can go through to get somebody into a room without them having 20, but it's tedious.
 
user4704
And you can only do it for a room you own, I think?
 
user4704
I never got it to work right.
 
TheMuffinCoder
TheMuffinCoder
Lol I don't see the need for more chatrooms :P Most of them are all empty to the point where the users could just pm each other instead
 
Lasse
Lasse
lol
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
Fixed
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
7:03 PM
@JoshPetrie what, setting them to explicit write access? Yeah that's roomowner/mod
 
user4704
Yea.
 
user4704
But the last time I tried doing that it didn't seem to work (or the user got bored and wandered away from the computer while I was screwing around).
 
Wardy
Wardy
@JoshPetrie ah that helps clarify
I guess then my thinking is that sactioned should mean (in the spirit of the community) for a room: Any room deemed popular enough to survive a long period of time without being removed for inactivity
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
YEAH I FINALLY FIXED IT
 
Wardy
Wardy
in such a situation that room is then "owned by" anyone with high enough rep
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
7:06 PM
I have a thing that spits out code from parsed C++ (via libclang, I am not insane)
 
user4704
@Wardy I'd consider that acceptable too, since that's sort of the community de-facto voting on meta to do it.
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
And I was having an issue with nameless structs/unions and such, finally worked it out
 
user4704
But that has to actually happen; it can't happen artificially.
 
Wardy
Wardy
Hmmm ok
 
user4704
@KevinvanderVelden What issue?
 
Wardy
Wardy
7:07 PM
I wouldn't even raise a meta on it ... if it was me I would just create a room and see what happens
 
Alec Teal
Alec Teal
@KevinvanderVelden linkme! I've never EVER done parsing C++ stuff because I thought it'd be too complex (even with a library) and usually go the other way.
@Wardy - SAME!
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
@JoshPetrie I basically wanted a list of all useable variables in a class, which with unions explodes
 
user4704
@Wardy That's fine, but after a certain point it has to either go to meta or accept death.
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
From nanovg: 
struct NVGcolor {
	union {
		float rgba[4];
		struct {
			float r,g,b,a;
		};
	};
};
 
Wardy
Wardy
@JoshPetrie seems reasonable to me
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
7:09 PM
It thought that it was one set of usable variables (rgba, r, g, b, a) versus 2 sets (rgba and (r, g, b, a) )
So the python bindings it spit out required 5 arguments to create an NVGcolor, versus either 1 or 4
@AlecTeal it's a fairly new thing that compilers started thinking "You know, we might wanna provide a library for this shit", I use libclang via the python bindings myself
(Via cygwin)
 
user4704
7:25 PM
How reasonable is libclang these days? I poked at it a few years back but it was still pretty inscrutable.
 
user4704
(I was working on a project using the LLVM APIs recently though, and they're pretty good.)
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
I use the python bindings which are... okay
They have an iteration layer over it versus the visitor api that clang provides
And from that I basically have a mapping of cursor "kind" to a class
I basically have this is a mapping pastebin.com/PrJ7u6B3
 
user4704
7:42 PM
Huh, I finally got the MacVim dictation bug to reproduce in insert mode
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
8:11 PM
Hmm memory leaks
Always fun!
 
user92578
lol yes
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
Hmm, python isn't calling my tp_dealloc function
 
user92578
I used to have a leak detector hooked up but I think it broke a while ago
 
user92578
Now I bet Im leaking like the insert funny metaphora
 
Pip
Pip
uh huh
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
8:46 PM
Hmm crap, static value initialisation order is undefined, right
That means template < typename T > const String TypeToString< T* >::Value = TypeToString< T >::Value + L" *"; is undefined :(
 
Wardy
Wardy
hmmm ok you can do some really wierd shit with normals
 
user4704
@KevinvanderVelden Across TUs, yes.
 
Wardy
Wardy
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
@JoshPetrie yeah it's different translation units
@Wardy fission!
UUh, fusion! Almost the same thing
 
Wardy
Wardy
pretty cool huh
i created my very own big bang
next up ... a universe
if i generate a perfect sphere mesh around {0,0,0} then would it be safe to say that the normals for that mesh should be the normalised value for the vert to which the normal is associated?
in other words is this correct ... 
for (int i = 0; i < mesh.vertexCount; i++)
    mesh.normals[i] = mesh.vertices[i].normalized;
 
Slereah
Slereah
9:03 PM
dang it
Having some collision problems trying to negociate corners in diagonals
Oh wait, that's not even accurate
Even straight lines fuck up!
Hm, I think it might be a problem with the case of a 0 pixel margin
if the right side is exactly 32 pixels from the left, it still counts it as being from the next tile
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
@Wardy yes
 
Wardy
Wardy
ah thx
so my understanding of normals is correct then
so ... that means my math is correct and thus my code is correct for the normals
that leaves me with another question
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
Why isn't it working? =p
 
Wardy
Wardy
How do I determine the amount of light on an object as unity seems to think my generated planet is pretty much always dark ... very dark!
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
Unity is not designed for cosmic scale
 
Wardy
Wardy
9:11 PM
yeh tell me about it
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
\o
 
Wardy
Wardy
its odd
if i gen no normals at all it does this thing where the planet is light on 1 side
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
Not really odd
 
Wardy
Wardy
when i gen what I believe are the correct normals it goes completely dark
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
Just because you don't gen normals doesn't mean that unity doesn't have normals
Probably (0,0,0), which get normlized to (1,0,0) (or whatever, 1 axis positive or negative 1)
Which is then basically "if the light is to the left: lit, otherwise not lit"
 
Wardy
Wardy
9:14 PM
yeh thats the thing though
its not about the light
the light is currently to the right of my planet and the level of light changes as i rotate the planet not moving either the light or the planet
if i don't set any normals and try to debug the values vs tells me there are none
so no idea what the hell its doing
 
user4704
Try rendering them instead.
 
user4704
Like, using the normal values as the output of your fragment shader?
 
Wardy
Wardy
ive been using unity's debug.drawline
if i calculate them correctly drawline appears to output nothing
maybe thats my problem ... perhaps I haven't calculated them right or something?
 
user4704
Are you drawing them directly?
 
Wardy
Wardy
yeh
its only for debug reasons ... not for actually output
 
user4704
9:23 PM
(because normals will usually be normalized, eg., length 1, so you have to draw them by doing line(point on sphere, point on sphere + normal) for example
 
Wardy
Wardy
im basically drawing a line between the vertex location and the vertex location + the normal
 
user4704
k
 
Wardy
Wardy
for (int i = 0; i < mesh.vertexCount; i++)
    Debug.DrawLine(transform.position + mesh.vertices[i], transform.position + mesh.vertices[i] + mesh.normals[i], Color.red);
reansform.position gives the world pos for the current gameobject all mesh coords are relative to that
so if the transform pos is (0,1,0) and i have a vert at (0,0,0) im drawing a line from (0,1,0) to (0,1,0) + normal
vert pos in world space is pos + transform pos is what i meant
because all my meshes for this game object are portions of a perfect sphere I have my normals being calculated as: 
mesh.normals[i] = mesh.vertices[i].normalized;
 
user4704
And normals[i] looks like a sane value?
 
Wardy
Wardy
Temporary just to confirm i'm going the right way and this should work fine for a perfect sphere
let me debug one out
hmmm great
now VS can't find any unity instances
jeez
hmmm ok currently they are all {0,0,0} that explains a lot
hmmm that's interesting
its not actually setting the normals
wierd
Got it
thx @JoshPetrie ... just needed a pointer to look at the right thing
 
user4704
9:53 PM
np
 
Slereah
Slereah
woo, collision detection works okay
 
Pip
Pip
nice!
What engine and/or framework, or are you rolling your own?
(Just 'cause I haven't seen you around before :P)
 
Wardy
Wardy
lol ... well that was ... interesting huh @Pip
 
Pip
Pip
Uh huh :P
So how are you, Wardy?
 
Wardy
Wardy
hmmm got this odd seam in my planets :(
 
Pip
Pip
10:08 PM
That sucks :/
 
Wardy
Wardy
but im generating some awesome jigsaw puzzles lol
 
Pip
Pip
:D
I'm planning to start working on my prototype tonight after I go out w/ some friends
 
Wardy
Wardy
prototype?
 
Pip
Pip
I've been putting it off because I'm enjoying some games atm but I need something to do
Yeah, making a 2D sandbox questing game
Basically terraria-style graphics with questing as the main mechanic
some grindy quests like "collect the stuff" some kill quests like "kill x amount of this monster" or "kill this boss", etc
I'll probably need some more quests at some point
 
Wardy
Wardy
 
Pip
Pip
10:10 PM
but whatever, it's a prototype in design atm
nice
bbiab, going out to dinnner
cya Wardy
 
Wardy
Wardy
later
 
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