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M Davies
M Davies
6:00 PM
Those values you have should apply to both projection matrices.
If your light projection matrix gives you a view like the Quake FOV and your camera projection matrix gives you a COD FOV you're going to have inaccurate results with your shadows.
 
skiwi
skiwi
Yea.. which may very well be going on
Hence I was narrowing down the issue
The thing that strikes me currently is that when standing at the lightsource looking towards the origin, I expect both mini boxes to give the same image
but they don't
 
M Davies
M Davies
You should use the same inputs for both the orthographic and perspecitve.
 
skiwi
skiwi
atleast.. something similar
and when I do that, the weird half-lit half-shadowed happens, when I do it correctly
 
M Davies
M Davies
When you have both inputs the same?
 
skiwi
skiwi
yes, that was the first picture
It may very well be that the shadowing kind of works, but that the shadows overlap or something
 
M Davies
M Davies
6:05 PM
Well I'm not sure then, lol.
 
skiwi
skiwi
I'm gogn through my code once more, something must be wrong
It's trying to say that something is blockign the light source
 
M Davies
M Davies
Is your light position at -20f, 7.5f, -20f?
 
skiwi
skiwi
in the light pass, only objects that cast shadows get drawn, that is correct, right?
uniform vec4 light_pos = vec4(-20.0, 7.5, -20.0, 1.0);
in shaders, hardcoded temporarily
next step was to uniformize them
 
M Davies
M Davies
Then I don't really see what could be the problem. You must have some object obstructing the shadow.
 
skiwi
skiwi
ouch, I noticed my Box has very strange normals (all pointing upwards), but it should still be able to cast shadows
 
M Davies
M Davies
6:12 PM
You should be re-calculating the normals after the translation and rotation of your world.
 
skiwi
skiwi
ouch, I noticed my Box has very strange normals (all pointing upwards), but it should still be able to cast shadows
sorry internet was being wonky
 
Almo
Almo
i'll just highlight an important bit from the gamasutra link Grey posted
about Lanza, the sandy hook shooter and violent video games:
"The shooter liked to play a game called Dance Dance Revolution, which is a music video game in which the player stands on a platform, watches a video screen and moves his feet," explains the report.

"The GPS found in the home and reportedly belonging to the shooter indicated that he regularly went to the area of a theater that had a commercial version of the DDR game in the lobby," it continues. "In 2011 and up until a month before December 14, 2012, the shooter went to the theater and played the game. He went most every Friday through Sunday and played the game for four to ten hours."
 
M Davies
M Davies
You should be re-calculating the normals after the translation and rotation of your world. < If you missed it.
 
Almo
Almo
so... yeah. when press says he was "obsessed with violent video games", they are being silly.
 
skiwi
skiwi
the normals of the floor (the shadow receiver) do not change.. ever, so I guess it is fine then @MDavies?
what I did notice is that when I change the light projection matrix to use a frustum instead of perspective it suddenly works
 
M Davies
M Davies
6:17 PM
The light projection matrix "shouldn't" be using a perspective.
It should be an orthographic projection.
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
@Almo That seems more like a symptom of underlying problems (as in, maybe he used DDR as an escape from a bad personal situation) rather than something that would cause him to go crazy...
 
Almo
Almo
yeah agreed
 
M Davies
M Davies
 
Almo
Almo
apparently he wrote violent fiction about hurting teachers and gave it to them
 
M Davies
M Davies
In this image it looks like it is perspective. Because the cube changes size.
 
Almo
Almo
6:19 PM
it's pretty obvious just seeing bits of this report that violent games were not the problem
 
M Davies
M Davies
 
Grey
Grey
@Almo exactly
 
Almo
Almo
thanks for the link Grey
 
M Davies
M Davies
This image however the size of the cube stays relative.
 
Grey
Grey
np
 
skiwi
skiwi
6:21 PM
how do you mean exactly? @MDavies
the camera projection is perspective fyi
 
M Davies
M Davies
Yes. The camera projection should be perspective.
The light projection should be orthographic.
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
I'm trying to come up with a setting for a Pokemon-alike mini-RPG game.
 
Grey
Grey
@ShotgunNinja save the helix
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
@Grey Oh hush. I want to recapture the feel of the original Pokemon games.
 
skiwi
skiwi
Okay I understand that @MDavies However when I use the paramters from the perspective projection... with an orthographic projection it does not work (that weird half-lit half-shadowed), but a frustum it does work, but it makes no sense that it does work
 
M Davies
M Davies
6:26 PM
What is in your orthographic projection function?
 
skiwi
skiwi
(when it is not working) 
public Matrix4f orthographic(final float fovy, final float aspect, final float near, final float far) {
    float y2 = near * (float)Math.tan(Math.toRadians(fovy * 0.5f));
    float y1 = -y2;
    float x1 = y1 * aspect;
    float x2 = y2 * aspect;
    return orthographic(x1, x2, y1, y2, near, far);
}

public Matrix4f orthographic(final float left, final float right, final float bottom, final float top, final float near, final float far) {
    return multiply(
        2 / (right - left),                     0.0f,                                   0.0f,                               0.0f,   /…
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
I've boiled it down to a few key points that I think really represented the dynamics of the original Pokemon games.
 
skiwi
skiwi
and that multiply is multiplying the identity with that matrix
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
Customization, Sense of Purpose, Simplicity, Expansiveness/Choice, Appropriate Challenge, and Community/Collectivity.
1. Each team was uniquely representative of each player.
2. You had a clear overarching goal (Catch em All), driven by a large, focused goal (Champion), broken into smaller goals (Gym Leaders), broken further into open-ended goals (beat Trainers, raise Pokemon).
 
M Davies
M Davies
Your orthographic matrix doesn't look correct.
 
skiwi
skiwi
6:30 PM
that could explain why things aren't working
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
3. The original Pokemon was extremely simple and accessible. Few items, simple actions, clear results.
 
M Davies
M Davies
Go to the bottom of that page and the it's the second matrix from the bottom that your matrix should look like.
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
4. Pokemon was a tremendously large game, especially for the Game Boy, which allowed people to bring it with them and play it as much or as little as they wanted. It held people's attention for an extremely long time with its diversity and pacing, but could be put down whenever.
 
M Davies
M Davies
If you notice the 4th column on the first row you aren't doing an equation.
And I think you have issued in other spots too.
Did you write that orthographic function yourself?
 
Grey
Grey
@shotgun I haven't played the old pokemon games. Ive only play emerald/(leaf green version/fire version etc
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
6:32 PM
5. In the beginning of Pokemon, the game was simple, with few choices, and forgiving of mistakes. It also showed you that your choices have obvious consequences. As you progress, you have more choice, but less direct consequence. It leads you into learning how to use the system to your advantage, whether that is catching Pokemon or becoming the Champion.
 
Grey
Grey
*played
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
6. Pokemon would not be where it is without the Card Game and the anime.
 
skiwi
skiwi
yes @MDavies
but that is because the OpenGL eats column major
so first row in code is the first column of the matrix on that page
 
M Davies
M Davies
So are you saying you transposed the matrix?
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
In addition, the ability to trade Pokemon to promote both goals (Champion and Catch'em'All), and battle Pokemon (to show off your party's customization and the effort you put into raising them), and to have those behaviors echoed by the TCG and the anime, made for a very interconnected community.
Everyone knew the vernacular of catching, raising, trading, and battling. Everyone learned movesets, type advantages, and so on. People chose favorites for their design as well as their strengths.
 
skiwi
skiwi
6:35 PM
yes
 
M Davies
M Davies
-1 * (right + left) / (right - left) for starters this is incorrect I believe. Shouldn't it be -1 * ((right + left) / (right - left))?
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
And that promoted such other things as glitch hunts, rumors, and anticipation of special events.
 
skiwi
skiwi
hm does that matter? hmm
 
M Davies
M Davies
I'm not sure, I would have thought so.
 
skiwi
skiwi
right = 8, left = 2
-1 * 10 / 6 vs -1 * (10 / 6)
boils down to the same I think
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
6:38 PM
@Grey, I'd highly recommend going back and playing Red or Blue, just so you can see what they were going for in the game's design before it got clouded by the popularity of the franchise.
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
 
LeSam
LeSam
hi
 
M Davies
M Davies
Well I would stick the brackets in there just in case.
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
sup
 
Almo
Almo
@ShotgunNinja i tried silver a bit
I didn't like it that things happened at fixed times on the real clock
evil
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
6:41 PM
Well, in my opinion, the addition of the real-time clock added a lot of depth to it, but restricted people to play it at certain times of the day (without changing the clock settings...)
You could time-travel in the game, by having your Mom reset your clock.
I think.
 
Almo
Almo
apparently they had problems in schools with kids trying to catch pokemon during math class that only showed up between 10 and 12 or something
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
Besides, G/S eschewed the simplicity of its predecessors because they didn't need to hook new people with its simplicity.
 
Almo
Almo
personally, I didn't like that feeling
it's one thing to have farmville where things take real time but you choose the schedule.
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
Pokemon Gen I was a stupid-simple RPG. I played it when I was 6/7.
You know why I got addicted to it? Because it provided me with a deep experience without frustrating me or distracting me from itself.
 
M Davies
M Davies
@skiwi Yours is Row major I guess?
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
6:44 PM
Yeah, there were some frills, like the Game Corner and Mewtwo, but those had very real impacts on the game's goal of "catching all Pokemon".
 
skiwi
skiwi
column major if I recall correctly @MDavies
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
For example, while the Game Corner was just a simple mini-game, it was the ONLY way of catching Porygon, who was a really cool conceptual Pokemon. Even if it sucked in battle, few stuck it out to actually get one, so that became a braggable achievement in and of itself. Plus, Porygon's design was nifty enough, and the TV series (and controversy with the episode) boosted it even more.
 
LeSam
LeSam
in Libgdx, is there a way to clear a SpriteBatch without clear all the Screen ?
 
M Davies
M Davies
Well OpenGL is column major.
You should transpose that matrix back if you want to follow column major.
 
LeSam
LeSam
hi
is there a way to do this in libgdx : 2 views
?
2 views of the same things
 
M Davies
M Davies
6:49 PM
Not sure, never used libgdx. Probably a camera function in there somewhere?
Alternatively you could just scale the images as it is only a 2D game.
 
LeSam
LeSam
I have another question
in this doc, what does means those static ints
C1 C2 etc.
 
M Davies
M Davies
Are you asking what a static int is?
 
LeSam
LeSam
no
I'm asking what those value means
those values doesn't have descriptions
C1, C2, C3 etc.
 
M Davies
M Davies
I don't know what context they are used in.
C1 maybe colour? I don't know.
 
LeSam
LeSam
 
M Davies
M Davies
6:53 PM
Where am I supposed to be looking?
 
LeSam
LeSam
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
@LeSam That's a link to the main page of the API docs. Give us the name of the class, please.
 
LeSam
LeSam
sorry 1 sec
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
I'm assuming you're looking in either some shader or animation code.
 
LeSam
LeSam
this is the correct link
 
M Davies
M Davies
6:54 PM
If it is U and V they are usually texture coordinates.
 
LeSam
LeSam
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
Ah. Those are probably field index identifiers.
 
LeSam
LeSam
is it possible to clear a batch ?
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
They're most likely used to specify positions of values in the data structure passed into the OpenGL backend.
 
LeSam
LeSam
not all the screen
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
6:56 PM
Not really; batches are designed as once-per-frame insert structures. The correct operation for "clearing" a batch is to never add the "cleared" elements in the given frame.
 
M Davies
M Davies
Why would you want to clear a batch?
You would want to clear the information that the indexes have a handle on.
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
A Batch is designed so you specify what goes in, then put it into the batch and let the system do its work.
 
M Davies
M Davies
@skiwi Any luck?
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
Unless I'm misunderstanding the implementation of a batch.
 
M Davies
M Davies
I think you're right, Ninja.
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
6:59 PM
Procedure (per-frame): Begin drawing, Add all elements to be drawn, End drawing (dumps everything as configured to the screen).
 
LeSam
LeSam
this is the context : I have a Viratual BOX sparating the screen in 2 parts, I want to draw some texts & Images, inside a BOX I want that when The Image is out of the BOX, the part that is out is cutted.
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
So you want to clip some rendered text to within a rectangle's bounds?
Clipping (computer graphics)
Any procedure which identifies that portion of a picture which is either inside or outside a region is referred to as a clipping algorithm or clipping. The region against which an object is to be clipped is called clipping window. Examples In 2D graphics for example, if the user of an image editing program is modifying an image and has "zoomed in" the view to display only the top half of the image, there is no need for the program to spend any CPU time doing any of the calculations or memory moves needed to display the bottom half. By clipping the bottom half of the image and avoiding the...
 
LeSam
LeSam
Yes Imagine I want to render some images & text inside a TV screen that is inside my Screen
 
M Davies
M Davies
Clipping in 2D graphics is a relatively simple process.
 
LeSam
LeSam
I tried with a framebuffer with no success
 
M Davies
M Davies
7:02 PM
You just define the size of your "TV screen" and anything that falls outside of it you simply don't render.
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
Are you getting anything on the framebuffer? You could just be computing your transformations wrong, or configuring the render target incorrectly or at the wrong point in the render process.
 
LeSam
LeSam
I just found this : code.google.com/p/libgdx/wiki/GraphicsScissors @ShotgunNinja I hadn't the correct term for the search
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
Yeah, then you're probably using the wrong transformation matrix.
 
LeSam
LeSam
The problem with the framebuffer is that Images arn't cleared
the screen doesn't clear after each frame with the framebuffer
I don't know why
I have put the Gl.clear but It doesn't work
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
Try rendering a flat polygon behind whatever appears on your TV screen.
If you don't have any background or skybox-type things behind it, then it probably won't clear. I'm not sure why the GL clear method isn't working when using GraphicsScissors, but I think it might be getting applied at the wrong point.
Also, GL clear might be clearing the regular render target, not the GraphicsScissors-pushed render target...
Since it's probably reusing that same chunk of graphics memory from frame to frame, then it might hold the previous render in memory even while Gl.clear is writing over the regular render target on the GPU.
You might want to check GraphicsScissors for a clear() method, and call that before pushing the scissors onto the stack.
 
LeSam
LeSam
7:09 PM
@ShotgunNinja It doesn't clear using the FrameBuffer, I havn't tried GraphicsScissors yet
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
Oh. Well, try that and see how it goes.
What it seems like it's doing is (a) setting up some offscreen image space on the render target for your content, (b) drawing to it, and (c) clipping from that space back onto the main render target in the visible viewport.
 
LeSam
LeSam
I ll do some test by now
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
Please let me know how that goes.
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
finished testing out the bug genie
now doing the Jira trial to compare them
BECAUSE THAT OBVIOUSLY MAKES SENSE
AND IT'S NOT LIKE JIRA WILL WIN
 
LeSam
LeSam
@ShotgunNinja It's only works with Camera, I was using a Matrix4, I must rewrite some lines
 
Grey
Grey
7:19 PM
atlassian pwns all
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
though considering how confusing the bug genie is, and how completely broken everything regarding sprint reports is
a piece of paper and a pen beats the bug genie
 
skiwi
skiwi
@MDavies nope not much luck
 
Grey
Grey
I want to help but I'm not an OpenGL guy :(
shame
@alexm.
 
M Davies
M Davies
@skiwi Sorry to hear.
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
@Grey what is that
 
Grey
Grey
7:25 PM
@AlexM. next gen screen savers for w8
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
ooh cool
 
Grey
Grey
microsoft said they are giving me 2 mill for the src code
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
holy shet
 
Grey
Grey
yes
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
and of course you were like
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
7:26 PM
oh my god, Anarchy enabled during a PC attempt on TPP
Down to 2 pokemon in our party
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
"***** gtfo my turf, my src is for homies only"
 
Grey
Grey
^ yes
 
skiwi
skiwi
@MDavies I got a little but further though:
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
neat then :D
teach microshit a lesson
 
Grey
Grey
lmao
 
M Davies
M Davies
7:27 PM
That's great. :P
 
skiwi
skiwi
public Matrix4f frustum(final float left, final float right, final float bottom, final float top, final float near, final float far) {
return multiply(
2 * near / (right - left), 0.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f, //X column
0.0f, 2 * near / (top - bottom), 0.0f, 0.0f, //Y column
(right + left) / (right - left), (top + bottom) / (top - bottom), -(far + near) / (far - near), -1.0f, //Z column
frustum is working, orthographic is not
and indentation is neither zz
 
Grey
Grey
>=[ MATRIX MATH
begone
 
M Davies
M Davies
Weird.
 
skiwi
skiwi
hmm I could aswell use orthographic instead of perspective for my camera itself
let's see what happens then
 
M Davies
M Davies
I wouldn't.
Then you lose perspective and you won't get the affect of distance.
 
Almo
Almo
7:30 PM
matrix math is way less annoying than differential equations
 
skiwi
skiwi
hmm my orthographic function is just broken as hell
 
Grey
Grey
@Almo :(
So Gabe Newell is doing an AMA on Reddit at 4:00. Today. The third. Of March. 3/3. #believe
Tweeted by Chris_Langford on March 3, 2014 at 7:30 PM
Not sure if this is true
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
differential equations are way less annoying than getting shot
 
Almo
Almo
hahaha
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
@Grey lol I hope he announces left 4 dead 3
 
Grey
Grey
7:33 PM
hl3
hl3 l4d3 prtl3
Wait a minute. THEY ONLY GO UP TO TWO BUT THERE HAS NEVER BEEN 3
!111!!11!1
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH
 
skiwi
skiwi
I think I got shadows working
 
Grey
Grey
That could be a nice desktop background if you took out le green cube
congrats
 
skiwi
skiwi
:p
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
and if he took out the top part
 
skiwi
skiwi
7:37 PM
but then there would be no shadows
 
Grey
Grey
@skiwi DISABLE THE RENDERE FOR THE CUBE
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
and replaced all of everything with an anime wallpaper
 
Grey
Grey
bcos unity
@AlexM. stop there
 
LeSam
LeSam
@ShotgunNinja the clipping seems to works but I have hard difficulty to set it correctly, I don't know what is the meaning of each variables in code.google.com/p/libgdx/wiki/GraphicsScissors
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
clipBounds is where you want the clipped TV screen to show up in your world space.
The camera is what you are using to render the world
The spriteBatch is your sprite batch
3
 
Grey
Grey
7:43 PM
grapevine.render(sprites)
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
starworthy
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
oh hush, whoever starred that
ha
 
Grey
Grey
lol
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
Anyway, your clipBounds should have X and Y represent the upper-left corner of your clipping rectangle, and W and H represent the width and height, respectively.
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
SpriteBatch theSpriteBatch //your sprite batch
= new SpriteBatch(); //Initialize your sprite batch to a new object of type SpriteBatch
^ the proper way to code
 
LeSam
LeSam
7:44 PM
the problem is that the cliped render is not the full part, I would like to consert all the scene, actually it's just a part of the scene that is rendered in the TV
 
Almo
Almo
hahahah alex
 
Grey
Grey
@AlexM. spritebatch sb = newer spritebatch
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
Yeah, so clipBounds should be the rectangle representing the TV screen.
 
Almo
Almo
spritebiotch
 
Grey
Grey
lol
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
7:46 PM
and you should render objects such that their X/Y locations are relative to scissors.X and scissors.Y
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
@Almo lol
 
LeSam
LeSam
@ShotgunNinja it's quite hard to understand when others are trolling me
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
"I have included the SLUT library in our game for networking. We've also renamed all of our sprite batches to sprite bitches to keep things in balance."
SLUT is totally a real lib for networking or sth but I just can't find it again
all I find is vintage porn with a chick fucking in a library
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
I should have realized that before Googling it on my work computer
oh well
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
someone here told us about it
I think it was bluebug or typpppppppppppppppiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyoooooooaaayyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeee_77
 
LeSam
LeSam
7:50 PM
@ShotgunNinja it's ok, everything is working I will simply resize all my images according to the clipping size
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
sweet!
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
> Venkat Says. . .
Enforce Good Practices
I was working with an application that sends different types of
files to a server process and was asked to implement code to
save another type of file. That shouldn’t be hard. When I started
digging in, I was shocked to find that the code to handle each
type of file was duplicated. So I followed suit: I copied and
pasted a hundred lines of code, changed two lines in it, and
got it working in minutes—but I felt low. I had violated good
working practices.
from
when you look at examples like that you're like
"yeah, obviously, duh"
but you still do it wrong
 
Lukas Knuth
Lukas Knuth
anyone doing anything for the Xbox One around?
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
from the same book
> If you’re being pressured to compromise code quality, it might help
to point out that you, as a developer, don’t have the authority to
degrade corporate assets (the overall code base).
this is actually an interesting POV
lol
 
skiwi
skiwi
@MDavies You cannot plug in fovy, aspect values in an orthographic matrix
 
M Davies
M Davies
7:59 PM
Not as they are, no.
As I said you need to convert them to what would be the left, right, top and bottom.
 
skiwi
skiwi
which is not trivial/easy at all...
because perspective matrices work differently
 
M Davies
M Davies
Well as I said you're using a overloaded method of the perspective projection function. You can have a function which takes in left, right, top and bottom.
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
when an author publishes a book like that, it's fine
BUT WHEN I SAY IT, I GET FLAGRAPED
 
Almo
Almo
I don't see this book description saying anything negative about people from India.
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
as if I ever say
:P :P
 
Almo
Almo
8:14 PM
you did once that I recall.
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
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shhh
 
Almo
Almo
and a "flagraping" as you say did ensue. :)
 
Alex M.
Alex M.
todders got flagraped back then too
 
Almo
Almo
8:36 PM
or FlagRapped?
 
user4704
@LukasKnuth Yes?
 
Shotgun Ninja
Shotgun Ninja
We're talking about flag-based sodomy and x-boners.
 
Pip
Pip
8:58 PM
heyo
 
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