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nwp
8:08 AM
I wish there was a way to close or hide questions from hot network question or just the week tab. I want to see what comes up, but I keep spending most of my time re-reading and skipping the same questions.
Maybe I should click the questions I don't want just so they are in the history and the link is colored differently. That would probably screw with the algorithms trying to gauge interest :D
But the bigger problem is that people edit titles and then the link changes and then it doesn't get colored anymore.
Maybe I should use RSS feeds.
 
 
4 hours later…
12:28 PM
Would any of you folks be interested in following my proposed site for Ravencoin? It's a relatively new cryptocurrency that has a lot of followers.
 
1:15 PM
I've got ethical concerns with the energy and ecological cost of proof of work currencies. I'd rather invest in more sustainable alternatives, rather than try to ride a speculative wave on known wasteful underpinnings.
 
1:42 PM
Maybe someone could create a crypto associated with a stationary bicycle, where you'd need to produce the energy yourself to mine the currency!
 
nwp
Make one where you have to do the crypto-calculations in your head.
 
@nwp Maybe Elon Musk will someday figure out how to make a program that uses brainpower to mine.
 
nwp
It actually becomes somewhat viable when using a deck of cards to make a stream cipher.
Though I don't think you can use that for a crypto currency.
@OKprogrammer I don't think Elon Musk will figure out anything ever :D
 
I'm inclined to agree with nwp. 😉
 
With regards to Elon Musk & mining, thus far the results have been only been boring. ;)
 
1:54 PM
A lot of people don't like Elon Musk for some reason.
 
A lot of people are critical of his vacuous claims, the treatment of workers in his company, and his hoarding of immense wealth at a time of staggering inequality.
So, quite a few reasons. 😉
 
It's not really bad that he has a lot of money. I mean, he worked hard for that money. He didn't just inherit it for no reason.
@DMGregory The great thing about Ravencoin is that it banned ASICs, that take a lot of energy. You simply just mine on your normal computer. It's a great system, really. Puts crypto back into the hands of common people and saves energy.
 
It was a joke. His joke actually. He spun up a company for drilling holes & called the the boring company.
 
Ya, I know. It was very good. ;)
 
Were Ravencoin to take off, won't the people with ASICs just buy common GPU rigs instead then?
 
2:02 PM
^
 
That's the thing. Ravencoin users go by the universal rule of hodling.
 
Your first remark is a myth, the second is marketing gobbledygook. PCs are less energy efficient at mining than a circuit built for the purpose.
You're buying the story these individuals and organizations tell about themselves, instead of investigating the evidence behind them.
 
It means "keep everything don't sell anything" (coins or PCs)
 
Users will buy 4 devices instead of one.
 
Yes, I plan to do that.
 
nwp
2:03 PM
Finally an excuse to buy that 32 core CPU.
 
6, actually.
 
Yeah so how exactly are we saving energy?
 
Then how is that more energy efficient? How does that "save power"?
 
@nwp You'd be mining Monero then.
 
What's the point in hoarding them?
 
nwp
2:05 PM
I'll be mining template error messages at incredible speeds.
 
@Vaillancourt The less people that mine the easier it is for miners. If others can't get hands on GPUs because we payed for them, then we mine faster.
Difficulty gets lower, and means we can mine very fast.
 
You believe you have enough buying power to tie up global production of GPUs? This is sounding less and less like an efficient system....
 
ETH miners also use the same mentality. But, in short, mining communities don't share freely.
 
nwp
Make your own cryptocurrency and mine at the speed of light!
 
@nwp TO THE MOON!
That would be a good idea. But first I must get better at programming.
(As an obvious starting point)
 
2:10 PM
There seems to be more than one context for efficiency in play here.
Does mining your crypto put less carbon in the air than minting physical currency?
 
nwp
Depends on the exchange rate :D
 
No idea. I just mine.
 
Does it benefit humanity in some way that current currencies do not?
 
It’s more private and not owned by the government.
 
nwp
@Pikalek It kinda does. It makes our OKprogrammer happy and thus has the same value as games, Twitch streams and fictional stories.
 
2:21 PM
@nwp while I suspect jest, there's something there. I'm running my PC, working on a game. Maybe that game sees the light of day & makes people happy, maybe it doesn't. One could argue my use of electricity isn't better or worse than that of OKProgrammer.
 
nwp
It's not in jest and it's different than what you're doing. I for one have hobby projects that sometimes involve compiling clang repeatedly. Nothing will ever come of them besides me enjoying myself. You making games for other people's enjoyment is already a league ahead.
 
Also, let’s just say in an alternate universe this crypto I mine becomes absolutely worth a ton. I’m not just gonna keep it all, I’ll donate to Christian organizations that help people.
 
That's okay too though. Plenty of recreational activities require resources.
@OKprogrammer If that's your goal, I'd like to gently encourage you to look into how crypto gets used in practice, meaning what sort of commerce does it tends to get used for.
 
nwp
chants to self Be nice, be nice, this is fine 🤡
 
Remember that cryptocurrency doesn't create value out of nothing. It just attracts investment. So by mining crypto, you're not creating new money to donate to charity. You're just moving around existing value created in other ways. That value could be directly donated to charity without crypto as a step in between.
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nwp
2:31 PM
Donating the money you would have spent on a GPU. What a concept.
 
I'd like the option to give them my prior GPU itself.
 
2:50 PM
Also in the theme of spirited disagreement: I don't like the Cascadia Code font for Visual Studio 2022.
 
@DMGregory Yeah
And it's most likely better for the environment
BTC power consumption is greater than Argentina. Not to mention all the data storage taken up by duplicating that blockchain everywhere.
 
? Not clear which it you mean is better. Traditional currency or Ravencoin?
 
I mean if you're just using your own idle CPU cycles it's one thing - not any worse than streaming videos for entertainment as was pointed out before. But when it starts motivating people to build and run machines that do nothing but mine, in addition to the owners' normal personal energy use, then it's beginning to become a problem.
 
And by design, the processing/energy costs only grow with time. It's not like other technologies where the initial versions are wasteful (looking at you, incandescent bulbs) but we eventually refine them to more efficient versions. Here, the waste is designed-in as an ever-growing obstacle, and an essential load-bearing component of the system.
 
2:58 PM
Oh man you gotta watch this.
@DMGregory It's the part that attracts gold bugs and makes me sure it was set up as a ponzi scheme.
(gold bugs are people who think our currency should be tied to some physical asset)
"hehe I'll make this thing that gold bugs will think is a currency to attract investment. that feature that makes them like it will also guarantee I get a ton of it before anyone else buys in"
 
Something like the currency in Cryptonomicon maybe?
 
3:18 PM
@DMGregory To tell the truth, I just mine with my idle GPU during basic stuff.
 
@Almo Related to the light bulb cartel: The lamps you're not allowed to have. Exploring the Dubai lamps Better than average LED bulbs not available outside Dubai.
 
neato :)
 
 
1 hour later…
4:37 PM
Sometimes I read questions about how to get a visual feature in a game, while the asker in the very early stage of developing the game, and I wonder.. will the game even be fun? Are you working the graphics for something that will never come to life? /shrug
 
4:47 PM
That's actually pretty funny, because I used to do that. Now, I think I'll focus on core features first, and then do artwork and details.
 
Yeah. I think sometimes folks just want to dabble in GFX because that's the first thing people see, and it's all right, just that a game is rarely only about GFX.
 
5:06 PM
I was mentoring a group making a 3rd person MOBA
they had this hyper-detailed model for the turrets steam powered with piston/gears and shit
and I'm just htinking what a waste of time if you don't have the game working yet.
it never shipped and the group broke up
also they had no game designer
the programmer guy thought he could handle both jobs.
 
Yeah, the assets are important, but only when you know you need them. What if the gameplay testing shows that this turret breaks the game balance and they end up not using it.
Doing both jobs works probably well only when there is only one person on the project, and they hire someone only to make the assets when it's time :P
 
 
2 hours later…
7:05 PM
Rubber duck check: is it advisable to edit another user's answer to include content from your own?
It seems to me that editing could be okay & posting another answer could be okay. Maybe I've missed something, but both seems not quite right.
 
Hmmm... I'd say only if it corrects an error. If it's adding new information, keeping that in its own answer sounds right to me.
 
In this case, it seemed as if it contradicted the original, so I rejected it as "changes intent". But it got me wondering about general community norms.
Condoning both seems like a way to sort of force your view.
But like I said, maybe I missed something.
 
Yeah, I think I crossed that line once in my pre-mod days.
 
Crossed a line editing or by rejecting an edit?
 
7:47 PM
Sorry, by editing.
 

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