Game Development

Alexandre Vaillancourt

1:05 AM

:)

The Mattbat999

3:35 AM

@FreezePhoenix oops. Soory. Finally got free time!

@AlexandreVaillancourt how have you been?

doppelgreener

9:58 AM

o/

The Masked Rebel

o/

The Masked Rebel

10:19 AM

@doppelgreener are normal people allowed to see deleted messages

doppelgreener

only diamonds can see deleted chat messages, people with 20k rep can see deleted questions and deleted answers on mainsite (but only diamond moderators can see deleted comments)

The Masked Rebel

@doppelgreener I can see deleted messages that have been edited

doppelgreener

huh, let me look into that

The Masked Rebel

If they have been edited, the history button isn't removed

@doppelgreener Where shall I report it

doppelgreener

@TheMaskedRebel Is this only on your own chat messages or someone else's? Looking into it, you should be able to view the history for your own deleted chat messages, but you should not be able to see the history for anyone else's deleted chat messages.

The Masked Rebel

10:29 AM

@doppelgreener Someone else's

doppelgreener

Is it deleted as in it has the faded-out (removed) text?

The Masked Rebel

yes

doppelgreener

Ok, report it on Meta Stack Exchange with the tags bug chat. Include a link to the message and how you get to its history. Mention that since the message is deleted it probably won't show up in the transcript you provide a direct link to.

If you see a link to its history that you can visit, include a screenshot of it.

The Masked Rebel

let me check it here first

Please write a message, edit it and then delete it.

doppelgreener

Oh! Can you only do this in certain rooms? Are you a room owner in those rooms?

If you are a room owner, you can see deleted messages.

The Masked Rebel

10:34 AM

I see

doppelgreener

if you're not a room owner though, that's definitely a bug

The Masked Rebel

@doppelgreener It happened in some rooms which I wasn't a room owner but i can' remember which ones.

doppelgreener

Ok. If you encounter that again in a room where you are not a room owner, I suggest reporting it.

The Masked Rebel

I will

FreezePhoenix

1:04 PM

@doppelgreener This is highly unusual.

I've found it is reproducible on SO, a long time ago I used it to make my name show up as a moderator on my end.

@TheMaskedRebel Ingenious...

Someone tell me if this shows you: chat.stackexchange.com/messages/45668707/history

Alexandre Vaillancourt

2:05 PM

@TheMattbat999 Good, thanks! We're having great weather this summer up to now, that's nice!

@FreezePhoenix I can read everything!

FreezePhoenix

@AlexandreVaillancourt This bug is a difficult one...

So, @AlexandreVaillancourt I want you to make a message, and edit it.

(Testing if it applies even if it's not my message)

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Try with the one from doppelgreener above: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/45666861#45666861

Or you meant make a message, edit it and not delete it.

FreezePhoenix

Yes

@AlexandreVaillancourt I believe I need to be able to see the message be edited

now delete it

Huh.

I can't see it.

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/45669788/history

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I can :D

FreezePhoenix

I bet it shows up for you tho, both because you are a mod and because it is your message

Alexandre Vaillancourt

2:13 PM

So you can see your own deleted messages?

FreezePhoenix

Yes.

But the 'history' link goes poof when you delete a message. You have to work out the link from when it was edited or posted

@AlexandreVaillancourt Being a mod makes it hard to test this sort of thing, doesn't it :P

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@FreezePhoenix It does :)

FreezePhoenix

@AlexandreVaillancourt Not being a mod makes you think a lot of links are broken :P

Uri Popov

2:31 PM

guys what would be a good time estimation to rig and skin a simple low poly 3D humanoid model ?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@UriPopov I'd say 1 month (for me).

Uri Popov

wow ok

I was hoping it would be more like 3-4 days

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Oh, sorry, I should have added that I had never done anything like it :P

Uri Popov

yes you should have lol :D

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I otherwise don't have a clue about how long it should take.

FreezePhoenix

2:41 PM

@UriPopov Animated or no?

Uri Popov

no just the actual rigging and skining

+maybe a simple idle anim

FreezePhoenix

That would take me... a year ish.

Uri Popov

I'm guessing your not a experienced animator as well ? :D

FreezePhoenix

Yep. Actually never made a 3D model in fact

The Mattbat999

3:23 PM

@AlexandreVaillancourt nice. I picked back up.my childhood RPG, Eternal Ring, and tried to beat it. Died during the final boss fight... :[

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Do you have to restart from the beginning?

The Mattbat999

No, just right before entering the last level.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Oh. Ok, it reminds me of a couple of Final Fantasy games, where you had a savepoint just before the final fight. So you can replay again and again and again that fight :P

The Mattbat999

Well, in Eternal Ring, the whole final level (a long, tough level with 2 challenging bosses) in one try.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

3:40 PM

@TheMattbat999 At least players could not complain that it was too easy!

The Mattbat999

@AlexandreVaillancourt well, the first boss of the level is easy to dodge, but the final boss is pretty hard, since hos attacks are pretty randomish.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

4:28 PM

@TheMattbat999 The concept of "achievements" were not that present during this era, I guess nowadays you'd get one for beating the first boss!

genaray

Well currently i send a packet from my server which makes the client play an attack animation. Right after that one packet... i send another one which withdraws a certain amount of hp from the entity. My problem is that the hp is withdrawn from the entity before the attack animation finished... What could i do ?

genaray

4:42 PM

Some advice would be great :D

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@genaray Is that because the second packet is received before the first?

genaray

No just because the animation takes several time to play ... and the health is withdrawed directly :/

The Masked Rebel

o/

Alexandre Vaillancourt

What if you sent the amount of health to withdraw along with the first packet, and change the way the packet is received? Instead of only being ordered to "play atk anim" it would be "play atk anim, and at the appropriate time, remove X hp"?

The Masked Rebel

hi!!

Alexandre Vaillancourt

4:49 PM

Hello!

The Masked Rebel

how is everybody here

Alexandre Vaillancourt

The Masked Rebel

good

genaray

@AlexandreVaillancourt That sounds good... but wouldnt that cause some iusse with multiple attacks from different players on the same entity?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

5:10 PM

What kind of issue do you foresee?

genaray

@AlexandreVaillancourt Well ... you are right xD

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@genaray Am I? You're closer to your project so you might see something I did not with that approach :)

The Masked Rebel

5:26 PM

Can anyone find a demo of AWTGLCanvas for lwjgl3

DukeZhou

@Bálint thanks for the vid card vid link. (taking my time, so the additional info is welcome:)

user92578

@TheMaskedRebel why do the older versions not suffice?

The Masked Rebel

@Tyyppi_77 What do you mean

user92578

I could find a plenty of examples for lwjgl2 for an example

user92578

google dude, google

doppelgreener

5:41 PM

o/

I have had a long day of unit testing with asynchronous operations

Almo

what is this "google" thing of which you speak

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doppelgreener

We've got untested areas of our app so I've made Monday a day just for adding unit tests.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@doppelgreener Will it be like that every Monday?

doppelgreener

Yeah. It's a nice way for me to break in the week. I enjoy it.

I'm the only one holding me to it, so it doesn't have to be.

The Masked Rebel

5:50 PM

@TheMattbat999 o/

user92578

I am extremely broken by the training here, just four days left before a holiday though. The last two days have been very tiring and very unpleasant

user92578

Not a lot of positives lately, but we did get to shoot for the first time today

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@doppelgreener That's great that you have the time for that!

doppelgreener

Sorry to hear that. I hear that's kind of how basic training works at first. You'll do well.

The Masked Rebel

@Tyyppi_77 what is it that you do

Almo

5:52 PM

@Tyyppi_77 Hang in there, you'll get through. :)

user92578

@doppelgreener yeah apparently the first 8 weeks are pretty awful

doppelgreener

I do front-end web development for an IT security company.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Yeah, I don't think military is a fun place, keep in mind that you'll be able to get back to a non military life later :D

user92578

yeah i agree that it's not supposed to be fun, but i dont think it has to be made this annoying either

doppelgreener

Oh, that was at tyyppi, whoops :P

FreezePhoenix

5:53 PM

@doppelgreener o/

user92578

I really appreciate the encouragements guys, it means a lot <3

FreezePhoenix

@Tyyppi_77 o/

The Masked Rebel

@Tyyppi_77 Keep up the good work :)

doppelgreener

👍🤘👌💪💪💪💪

user92578

@TheMaskedRebel basic training, shooting, standing, cleaning, walking, studying, and everyone is yelling all the time

FreezePhoenix

5:54 PM

@doppelgreener Wat are the boxes for

The Masked Rebel

@FreezePhoenix Are you using a phone?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Tyyppi_77 Hey, I don't want to sound too pessimistic, but it could have been worse: you could have been stripped of your rights to use chat.stackexchange.com :P

FreezePhoenix

No.

@AlexandreVaillancourt Ssh.

doppelgreener

user92578

@AlexandreVaillancourt well tbh we did not have any free time in the first few days

user92578

5:55 PM

So like since yesterday i have been out of clean shirts

user92578

It's like 30 degrees celcius here, and wearing already sweaty shirts does not really help

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Yeah, must be annoying, as you say :/

The Masked Rebel

@Tyyppi_77 The whole northern hemisphere is very hot :P

user92578

There are a few people here that take care of server's business, and lately they got the underwear&sock count increased from 5 to 7

user92578

Still just 5 shirts though

Alexandre Vaillancourt

5:59 PM

They hacked it in for everyone?

FreezePhoenix

I tell you they can't have used magic numbers, or you'd have 7 shirts

user92578

Yup

user92578

So in the future we get to swap clothes every 7 days

user92578

But in this first strerch we have to keep the same stuff for 10 days

user92578

Like fresh socks and underwear for every day seems like a standard hygiene practise but apparently that was not the case

user92578

6:01 PM

Anyways I'll hop off, gotta go shower before freetime ends

Alexandre Vaillancourt

See ya later :)

FreezePhoenix

See ya

Jimmy

6:34 PM

@typ

is hand washing your dirty clothing and hanging it not an option?

sweat comes off in water quickly, so just dumping in water and scrubbing for like 5 seconds per item will eliminate the smell

FreezePhoenix

Maybe

user92578

We are not allowed to wash stuff ourselves like that

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I guess the idea is to get you used to living "in the trench"...

Almo

^

DukeZhou

8:06 PM

@Bálint any thoughts on if I were to go for a bare bones PC initially (purely for android studio for a non-resource intensive abstract game) with the idea that I can expand later if I actually have time to play resource-intensive games?

(I'm hearing that RAM is crucial, and that it's probably a good idea to get an SSD, but a great GPU isn't necessarily an immediate priority.)

Almo

8:38 PM

RAM's cheap, don't short yourself on that

DukeZhou

Definitely will be maxing the RAM!

Almo

:D

DukeZhou

of course, one doesn't get the same street cred bragging about all of ones RAM these days--guessing that's shifted to GPU

definite want a big-ass monitor though--they seem relatively inexpensive these days, as long as I'm not getting the biggest and newest

what i'm really dreading is the OS, but everyone says 10 is good, so...

my work computer is stuck on Windows 7 and it is pretty cludgey

Almo

10 is not Vista, that's for sure. I still don't like Windows, but as far as windows goes, it's as tolerable as XP

I doubt you'll hate it

DukeZhou

I have pleasant memories NT/XP

Almo

8:46 PM

I had some trouble with NT

had to do with a 6-drive RAID

what a nightmare that was

almost lost a fuckton of data

but after reinstalling NT about 8 times and guessing the stripe pattern of the drives correctly finally, everything was ok

DukeZhou

well, the company I was in at the time made it's money on little problems and holes with that OS (I feel like the deficiencies of the old MS OSs created a lot of opportunity for 3rd parties ;)

Almo

they did

Jimmy

biggest issue with windows 10: it comes with Candy Crush

Almo

OH NO

DukeZhou

I like Candy Crush (for like 5 minutes)

Almo

9:03 PM

I almost like it. But some levels are so hard, and only because of the randomizer, that you either have to get very lucky, or pay for boosts to complete them.

Bejeweled Blitz is a far superior game in that genre

Bálint

@DukeZhou That should work

@DukeZhou Just don't buy 10 S

I mean windows 10 S

Almo

does that stand for Windows 10 Suck?

DukeZhou

@Bálint Don't believe the hype, you are saying?: microsoft.com/en-us/windows/s-mode

(trust me, I'm still scarred from "Active Desktop"

user4704

9:30 PM

Not only does it come with Candy Crush

user4704

It repeatedly reinstalls Candy Crush

user4704

And everything else you uninstall.

user4704

>_<

Almo

hahaha

DMGregory

@JoshPetrie This is my biggest complaint. Fine, pack in the defaults you want to push, whatever. But once the user has told you they want different stuff, never change it back without their express permission.

I've had it change user folder permissions and default apps, completely breaking some of my workflows for what should have been routine security updates only.

Bálint

9:40 PM

@DukeZhou It's just a dumbed down version of windows

I think you can't even install anything, that's not from the windows store

And just to tell you how shitty that thing is

At one point it was bugged out and you couldn't open it without following a magnet link

And not many people noticed

user4704

10:00 PM

@DMGregory Every semi-major-ish update to Windows 10 resets my desktop background and reinstalls all the default apps like Candy Crush, Get Skype, etc.

user4704

It's infuriating.

user4704

I wouldn't mind so much if the default Windows 10 background weren't, like, Baby 3D Artists First Render or something.

user4704

It's gross.

FreezePhoenix

10:39 PM

Hello

Bálint

@JoshPetrie Windows 10 S or normal windows?

doppelgreener