Game Development

PythonInProgress

12:24 AM

@AlexM. when do I become a junior programmer?

@AlexM. can you send me the courses too? They're in C#, right?

Code Assassin

@PythonInProgress Your not in the club n00b!

lololol

(jk man)

sup

PythonInProgress

not much. having trouble with my email

@CodeAssassin u have a phone?

freaking google wants phone verification from me......

I'm making a new email, since my current one is derpy.....

PythonInProgress

1:27 AM

@CodeAssassin and I don't have a phone..... so.... can u help pls? it will only be one time, not recorded.

Icy Defiance

1:45 AM

@PythonInProgress check out voice.google.com. you can get a phone number right there that works like a free landline + unlimited texts.

the NSA gets everything that goes through there, so don't use it for too much, but it's good for this.

Almo

:D

PythonInProgress

1:58 AM

hey @IcyDefiance and @Almo

Almo

in LoL

Icy Defiance

I was in LoL, but then I got really pised off, because I kept getting records like 8/1 and rocking things, while the other two lanes and the jungle all go 0/4 or worse. like 4 games in a row.

PythonInProgress

I love lol, too bad I'm in bed and can't get my laptop :P

hey icy

I need a current number for voice........ urrrrr

I don't have a fucking phone, how can I verify the fucking email

excuse my language

@IcyDefiance still can't do this...... urr

Icy Defiance

whoa you do?

well then create a different voice account to send that to :D

PythonInProgress

yeah

u need a phone for that one 2

Icy Defiance

2:03 AM

D:

I got nothin'

PythonInProgress

each one needs a phone to use...

u have a phone?

@IcyDefiance do you have a phone that Google could text to verify? Just once, pls

one text message is all it takes

Icy Defiance

I'll give you one of my GV numbers. one second.

PythonInProgress

tnx so much

Icy Defiance

(616) 920-1526 - try that. shouldn't be able to track me down too easily with it, so I don't mind giving that one out.

PythonInProgress

tnx! my 'net keeps cutting, so if I cut out, that's why

@IcyDefiance k, Google should have sent the verification code

Icy Defiance

2:18 AM

874901

PythonInProgress

THANK YOU!
finally, away from the stupid email

@IcyDefiance thank you. my new email is ward.programm3r@gmail.com

@Almo @ToddersLegrande @Byte56 @IcyDefiance @AlexM. send me your emails, all (if you want to of course). I already have @ShotgunNinja 's and @William'MindWorX'Mariager 's.

Icy Defiance

I refuse! :O

PythonInProgress

ward.programm3r@gmail.com

:ô why Icy, why?

Icy Defiance

2:35 AM

mostly because I can't think of any reason you could possibly have to email me

Code Assassin

@IcyDefiance Meany

(goes back to cleaning twitter account)

Icy Defiance

and proud of it :D

PythonInProgress

lol

Code Assassin

@IcyDefiance Oh snap O:

PythonInProgress

hey cod3asassin@gmail.com

Code Assassin

2:39 AM

How the hell

Ohhhh

My blog :P

I was about to say how you knew my email ^_^

Icy Defiance

he been stalking you :O

PythonInProgress

yeppers

lol

Code Assassin

NO. NO MOAR INTERENTES FOR ME.

(deletes email from all the places)

I need to get better at Graphics Programming

PythonInProgress

why? minimal looked pretty good, so does shark

Code Assassin

LOL That's not graphics programming. It doesn't even touch the surface.

altdevblogaday.com/2011/05/10/…

Icy Defiance

2:45 AM

"Make sure you understand homogeneous coordinates, matrix maths, dot products, cross products, quaternions, normal vectors, tangent bases, etc and how these things (and countless others) are useful for transforming and lighting geometry."

and that's the hard part.

Code Assassin

Yus

Icy Defiance

matrix maths and vectors are the biggest ones to get started. I haven't gotten much farther than that myself, though, so I'm not sure what comes next.

PythonInProgress

ooh, I misunderstood :P

Icy Defiance

quarternions sound cool, though, I'll be attempting to understand them at some point in the near-ish future

Code Assassin

@IcyDefiance How good are you at Algorithm Implementation?

(no pseudo code just text)

Icy Defiance

2:48 AM

not sure. I generally just come up with something I want to make and do what it takes to make it. coming up with algorithms is usually part of that, but I haven't focused on it specifically or anything.

PythonInProgress

ooh, I misunderstood :P

@CodeAssassin "Tweaking Code" as your g+ name?

Code Assassin

@PythonInProgress Yeah I changed it alot and they stopped me at that one so I'm stuck with it

PythonInProgress

lol

nice job, tweak

jk, I won't call you that

I did pip (python in progress) as my first name, then my real last name

cya all, I got to go to bed, its 11:00 PM for me :P

Code Assassin

kk see ya

PythonInProgress

ahh, just by accident found the link to the desktop version of chat for the mobile. much better

bye all

John McDonald

3:18 AM

Oh lame. My JSON merger is only "merging" the top layer, so:
{ "Animator" : { Tint : { R: 255, G: 255, B: 255, A: 255 }, Scale: 1.0 }, Health: { val: 100} }
merged with
{ "Animator" : { Scale: 2.0 } }
gives me:
{ "Animator" : { Scale: 2.0 }, Health: { val: 100}}

Laaame

Only took me an hour to find out that my tint was all 0's, and that's why nothing was drawing. Fun

Almo

hate stuff like that

John McDonald

:( yeah. So now I guess I have to try out a third json library, or just merge these on my own

ehhh... Feels like I'm re-inventing the wheel

In jQuery it's just $.extend(object1, object2);

But maybe that doesn't do a deep merge, I donno

Nope, in jQuery, doing: $.extend(true, object1, object2); does exactly what I want, and $.extend(object1, object2); does what I've got now

John McDonald

4:10 AM

Woot! Works!

luiges90

4:31 AM

anyone here?

Noctrine

Me

luiges90

how do you deal with bailout during game dev?

that's free game btw

Problem is, I am the sole developer of that game

Noctrine

Bailout?

luiges90

tired of developement

I think that is a fairly common question, actually

For some background information, someone else developed a game on his own

for years

and then he abandoned development after release

(oh, what that 2372 means.?)

after leaving unnoticed for years, someone else decompiled the game

and continues development

and then I join in

fortunately, he is able to contact the original dev and agreed to make it open source

another year later, only I am working it now

hence, the game's codebase is huge

but not very well organized

I continue develop simply because I love the game

Noctrine

Hrm

2372 is your network rep

luiges90

4:44 AM

oh I see

Noctrine

So you feel overwhelmed

luiges90

sort of

and that game has a fan base now, which I don't want to abandon (and that is very difficult to build)

I should say, that took literally years to build

Noctrine

17

Q: How to get a game done?

My problem is, whenever I start programming a clone of a game (for practice) or my own game or some other problem I stop somewhere in the middle of the development, because I lost interest in it. How do you keep up the interest in developing a game, or developing in general?

luiges90

a small fan base tho

thx for link

PythonInProgress

10:03 AM

@Noctrine hi man

PythonInProgress

10:24 AM

you here? I don't think so... on well

PythonInProgress

11:29 AM

why is no one online? i feel so alone!

Alvar

11:43 AM

hi all!

I have a question (can't figure out if it's on topic or not), I have a game idea, got a platform on to build it, but I have no idea on where to start.

I'm a programmer, I want to write it in php connected to a mysql database

basic idea is you have a character and this person can buy stuff for their inventory, go hunt food, sell the food and then earn money, upgrade the gears etc etc..

Where should I start? is this on topic to ask on the site btw?

@PythonInProgress are you here? (:

PythonInProgress

yep

Alvar

is it on topic to ask or can you answer it here? :)

PythonInProgress

i can probably answer\

Alvar

:)

PythonInProgress

so, you want to know where to start?

Alvar

11:47 AM

I got a basic log in system with users and that's it

PythonInProgress

ok.

Alvar

that's connected to an mysql database, but I don't know where to go from here.

PythonInProgress

the first thing that you want to do is set up the basic inventory

then figure out how to add items to it

Alvar

the inventory of the character?

PythonInProgress

yes

Alvar

11:49 AM

ok

PythonInProgress

make a model (graphics) then write code for it

the inventory doesnt have to be perfect while in dev, just functional

Alvar

I had an idea to get the basics done and then tweak it until it works for me

PythonInProgress

that is usually the way to go

Alvar

I got a google docs with all the things i want in it when it's "done"

ok

PythonInProgress

can you send me the doc?

ward.programm3r@gmail.com

Alvar

11:50 AM

@PythonInProgress maybe...

PythonInProgress

i promise i wont use it for my self :P

Alvar

@PythonInProgress I don't want anyone to "steal" my idea..

But I'll write it to english first, it's in swedish right now ;)

PythonInProgress

ik, thats fine with me. i have a few progects in dev now, I DO NOT need a new one

Alvar

hehe ok

PythonInProgress

i can use google translate if you need me to

Alvar

11:52 AM

I'll send the basic idea now and then send more after that..

PythonInProgress

kk

Alvar

Well if someone steals it I'll make it anyway, I just have to do it my way :)

PythonInProgress

:P lol

ill send you one of my project files if you really want to "trade" as insurance

Alvar

@PythonInProgress haha no problem, I'll just don't give you all my secrets! ;)

PythonInProgress

@Alvar :P

Alvar

12:02 PM

@PythonInProgress almost done with the basics

PythonInProgress

@Alvar good. Im almost ready to look at them :P

Alvar

@PythonInProgress puh there you go!

PythonInProgress

kk i shall look now. join me in the doc chat?

Alvar

@PythonInProgress I just sent you an email of everything, let me make it into a doc isntead brb

PythonInProgress

ah

k

Alvar

12:09 PM

@PythonInProgress there shared

@PythonInProgress docs.google.com/document/d/…

PythonInProgress

@Alvar i will go there now :P

Alvar

:)

Alex M.

12:41 PM

this is pretty nice

Alvar

back

Icy Defiance

front

side to side

dances

PythonInProgress

im back

hey Icy

Icy Defiance

o/

only here for a few minutes though

PythonInProgress

@Alvar im back 2

why so Icy?

Alvar

12:45 PM

@PythonInProgress did you eat ALL the donuts?

no. just 4 of 12

aaah

fairly small ones

ok

why do you ask?

12:45 PM

no idea

creating some documents for the SQL code..

PythonInProgress

i worked on my game a bit :D

cool @Alvar

Alvar

@PythonInProgress nice!

What kind of game is it?

PythonInProgress

a cube platformer

idk what to call it

basically, you grow and shrink to avoid/absorb enemies

Alvar

a bit like osmos ?

PythonInProgress

gotta go guys, might bbl today

idk @Alvar

cya all!

Alvar

12:48 PM

cya

Alex M.

Dungeon is a noun that means the main tower within the walls of a medieval castle or fortress

nice to know

Alvar

Osmos

Osmos is a 2009 puzzle video game developed by Canadian developer Hemisphere Games for various systems such as Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, OnLive, iPad, iPhone, iPod Touch and Android. Gameplay The aim of the game is to propel oneself, a single-celled organism ("Mote"), into other smaller motes to absorb them. Colliding with a mote larger than the player will result in being absorbed, resulting in a game over. Changing course is done by expelling mass. Due to conservation of momentum, this results in the player's mote moving away from the expelled mass, but also in one's own mot...

might be useful one day

Icy Defiance

Osmos is a pretty cool game actually. It was in one of the humble bundles, so I have it. Got bored before I finished it, but it was fun for a while.

Alvar

it's quite fun and it gets harder the more you play it :P

kind of

Alex M.

I could not be convinced enough to play for more than 5 mins

Alvar

12:51 PM

haha

PythonInProgress

1:16 PM

@Alvar @AlexM. sorta like that, but you cant manually adjust size. you absorb, but that just makes the game harder. the goal is to stay as small as possible, but there will be powerups and things that make you smaller/other effects

Alvar

@PythonInProgress cool, I relized i missed the first step, E/R-diagram then SQL code! xD

PythonInProgress

:P

Alex M.

collegehumor.com/article/6896075/…

^15 Things We Can Learn About Humanity From Google Autocomplete

PythonInProgress

LOL

@AlexM. so, when can I become a junior programmer?

Alex M.

1:37 PM

ask people on stackoverflow

Alvar

lols

PythonInProgress

@AlexM. for you :P with Code

Alex M.

what's up with people wanting to program for me nowadays

Alvar

O.o

Alex M.

sorry man, but the most important thing CodeAssassin showed me is that he is able to get something playable and usable on the screen

you on the other hand, showed me you're only able to abandon projects and chaotically switch from task to task and in the end do nothing

Alvar

1:46 PM

haha

PythonInProgress

LOL

if i could get my freaking pygame windows to work, everything would be perfect

Alvar

haha

PythonInProgress

@AlexM. so, if i get how many projects finished, i can join?

@Alvar haha is NOT right... im serious for once.

Alvar

@PythonInProgress WHAAAT?!?!

sorry, had to.

PythonInProgress

@Alvar that actually wasn't as funny as you would think

Alex M.

1:49 PM

I'm sure @CodeMonkeyAlx can take you in, I'm almost always having all slots filled

Alvar

@PythonInProgress probably not, I'm just the kind of person that is unserious when I mustn't be serious... if that made any sense...

PythonInProgress

@AlexM. really? what does Alx do?

Noctrine

@AlexM. Do you watch the office?

PythonInProgress

@Alvar nope, not at all

hey Noctrine!

Alex M.

@Noctrine tried to since Todders posted a video

but never got the chance

Alvar

1:51 PM

@PythonInProgress hehe ok, well I'm always trying to joke, it works from time to time :P

PythonInProgress

not really....

:P jk

Alex M.

@PythonInProgress all kinds of cool stuff

ask him

PythonInProgress

sometime later, i may have to go in a bit

Alex M.

he's just like me, see? CodeMonkeyAlx

he's just missing an "e" in Alx

merely a typo I am sure

top quality employer he is, I recommend him

PythonInProgress

why @AlexM.

why do you recomend him?

Alex M.

1:56 PM

as per the FAQ, that question is offtopic here

you should move the question to commonsense.stackexchange.com

PythonInProgress

nope

Alex M.

you won't get an answer then, I'm sorry :(

PythonInProgress

this place is "Game Development discussion and other things ." its within boundries

@AlexM. ummm, why do you want me employed by this: (no offense to him)

I'm just a noob looking to learn... Unlike most newbs I run on an honor system. Yes I might grub for answers but I am also not just going to slap those answers into my code. I will look at them and I will see what they do.

Right now my coding level as I like to call it is about 3 on a scale of 10. I know basics if you give me code I can understand what it does, I just cant code it myself just yet.

Thats is all and may we all enjoy ourselves here.

Alex M.

well yeah, see, those are all lies

to prevent people like you to spam him with PLZ LET ME CODE FOR YOU messages

he's a smart fellow

PythonInProgress

no. just no. are you unworthy?

Alvar

2:01 PM

What do you think about this E/R-diagram?

PythonInProgress

@AlexM. he may be smart, but Code is better. I actually like him

Alex M.

well then, work for Code

PythonInProgress

@Alvar you forgot arrows

Code is my age.....

Alvar

@PythonInProgress nope

PythonInProgress

@Alvar why not?

Alvar

2:03 PM

@PythonInProgress the lines says which entity connects to each other

PythonInProgress

ahh

Alvar

@PythonInProgress 1 = one, * = many

PythonInProgress

i feel stupid

Alvar

hah

PythonInProgress

kk

looks good to me

watching a PyCon video in the bkg :D

Alvar

2:04 PM

ok, might get "too" big in the database, that's my only worrie

PythonInProgress

true

hmm

i got nothing

Alvar

exactly

haha

PythonInProgress

:P

Alvar

it's not finished, I need a "catch" box for the fishes..

PythonInProgress

yep

Alvar

2:05 PM

great...

PythonInProgress

the shop too

Alvar

a second inventory too

PythonInProgress

mmhmm

Alvar

great.. this will be huuuge

PythonInProgress

2:18 PM

@AlexM. @ShotgunNinja @William"MindWorX"Mariager @CodeAssassin @Alvar @IcyDefiance I'm starting over completely. What language should I learn? I want to someday work on Are Ignis with CodeAssassin and AlexM.

Alvar

@PythonInProgress My last program had 5 entitys, this one will have at least 10! :O

I'm currently making my game in PHP and MYSQL, so it can be available as a web page for everyone to play, (new here, have no idea who those people are or what they are doing)..

Alex M.

2:32 PM

can't find anything about assertions in Gambas' documentation

try/catch/finally is funky

trying to unit test

Private Sub TestVolume()

  Dim Pont As New PancakeController
  Try
    Pcont.ChangeVolume(-1)
  If Not Error Then
    Error.Raise("Failed: Volume, -1")
  Endif

End

fun times, ahoy!

Alvar

mmm pancakes...

Alex M.

full project name is Musical Pancake

Alvar

ok

Kikaimaru

3:29 PM

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yeah! extremly obsolete vertex animations!

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