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6:00 PM
right now
 
Oh yes please add a link-only answer to that shopping list question :-D
j/k
 
I'm trying to find Global GEO Engineering web site, but I've found the phone number
+1 949-221-0900
 
@McNets are you able to do anything through access.redhat.com/management/subscriptions ?
 
@McNets If that turns out to be a $10/min sex line you win 5 Internets and the Golden Troll award.
 
you also win a $10 phone bill that will be difficult to explain to the wife
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weigh your options carefully
 
6:02 PM
HA!
 
@MaxVernon EndDate: 2017/04/03
@PaulWhite it's google, all is possible !!
 
@JoeObbish She'd downvote it into oblivion, no doubt.
 
@EvanCarroll "That's absolutely unacceptable"? Well, I'm sorry you feel that way but I'm pretty trigger-happy when it comes to deleting comments, and I plan to stay that way. Meta is the place to express your indignation if you honesty feel this is an example of messed-up moderation.
 
@McNets Truth.
 
@MaxVernon I can, but when I click on Renewal information button:
Information about renewing a product purchased through a partner or Sales Associate

For purchases made through a partner:
To renew your Red Hat subscription(s), you can directly contact the Red Hat reseller from whom you originally purchased your subscription.
Find a partner near you
 
I've been responsible for the death of 28,537 comments on DBA.
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Yes you are the absolute winner on that score (as well as many others ;)
 
@PaulWhite you really don't sleep.
 
he does, he just learned how to post comments in his sleep
 
6:09 PM
@MaxVernon I can't. I am haunted by 28,537 comment ghosts.
 
he's a replicant
 
@Lamak post delete comments
What's the average time it takes to delete a comment, including its evaluation?
 
@McNets to which I propose this
 
ATTR
 
I'm going to help clean up comments. I'm convinced I was wrong the whole time.
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6:12 PM
I just fell over.
 
Average Time To Removal
 
@AndriyM Depends entirely on the context. "Thanks!111! - user12345 6 years ago" takes very little processing power.
 
@PaulWhite I just flagged one of your comments to make it 28538
 
@ErikE Sorry force of habit.
 
PLZ SEND ME TH CODEZ
 
6:14 PM
he he
@JoeObbish Appreciated. We love comment flags.
 
@PaulWhite I laughed when I saw it (removed). It seemed quite fitting.
 
@EvanCarroll That would be most helpful, thanks. Your moderatorship moves one step closer.
 
Np, Jack Douglas has 70 pages.
I'm on page 1. Give me some time.
 
I couldn't figure out why Max fell over
and why someone marked it with a star
 
@MaxVernon I'll try. Thanks again.
 
6:15 PM
were they happy that Max injured himself? seemed kind of mean
 
@JoeObbish neither can i
 
but if you read between the lines it becomes clear
 
indeed
 
@McNets my pleasure - and sorry I couldn't find anything more helpful!
 
@JoeObbish Was it the <> != one?
 
6:16 PM
@JoeObbish he's canadian. if there's not blood it's not an injury
 
@PaulWhite Yes. I remember that comment well ;)
 
@JoeObbish Cheers. I missed that one somehow.
 
@swasheck "It's nothing. It's just a flesh wound".
 
exactly
 
This is kind of weird. I'm looking at a SQL Saturday schedule and see presenter names that I've argued with before on DBA.SE...
 
6:21 PM
 
@JoeObbish whew. not me. i've not submitted in AGES
 
"eventually" was a good word choice there!
 
Quite!
 
@PaulWhite with the tacit endorsement of NoSQL!!!!!!!
 
@swasheck I have never claimed to be consistent.
 
6:24 PM
the great thing about that is that nobody has to join you
 
Not now, not later, not even eventually
 
alright. time to put a cap on this conversation
 
@PaulWhite I actually wondered when you would remove that or how you would remember.
 
@AndriyM Long comment chains, where I have to add useful stuff to the question/answers (and/or a CW answer of my own) can take up to an hour, I'd guess.
 
@PaulWhite Since it was on my post
 
6:27 PM
@ErikE I normally go through my comments every 24 hours or so, to check on things.
 
moderators can always count on regular users to point out their errors
 
Yes. Users can be very helpful.
 
@JoeObbish but @PaulWhite doesn't make any errors
 
@PaulWhite Actually, I need 2 more upvotes on my question to keep the ratio at the solid 1:2 between my question and your answer that we've observed all along!
Or 4 downvotes on your answer (chuckle)
 
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Q: Authoritative source that <> and != are identical in performance in SQL Server

ErikEConsider this answer on SO that reassures the asker about the <> operator that: <> is ... the same as !=. But then a commenter pipes up and says: It's true that they are, functionally, the same. However, how the SQL optimizer uses them is very different. =/!= are simply evaluated as tru...

 
6:28 PM
@PaulWhite Ah yes, I forgot that some of those comments also need to be incorporated, that adds time too.
 
@EvanCarroll If you are interested I've found the original manual of SEQUEL-1974
 
bwahah yes!
for amusement
not quite the same but sounds fun
 
I still think that it's not a great question
if someone thinks that they should do the work to prove it (as opposed to the other way around)
 
I miss Alex Kuznetsov. He was a great resource.
 
6:36 PM
@MaxVernon He moved to Postgres.
 
What a quote: "In his leisure time, Alex prepares for and runs ultramarathons."
 
@JoeObbish yah. Quite the person.
 
I never got to meet him, which was sad. I used to read his SQLblog.com posts all the time, before I got into writing.
 
Now he even writes tutorials on how to move to PostgreSQL.
 
Yes.
 
6:38 PM
:36394745 there are always exceptions. To everything. Even this.
@EvanCarroll lol
 
He's not an exception. He's a good a decent now enlightened DBA. =P
My kind of SQL Server expert.
 
He's certainly an expert
 
Ha ha ha. Well he still likes SQL Server :)
One can love both.
 
I like SQL Server too.
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I find the users to be a little extreme, but yea SQL Server cute and likeable.
 
If that doesn't get 100 stars I'll know this room's broken.
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6:41 PM
I got to speak to Chamberlin a while back. He remembered my dad who also worked at IBM Almaden (though my dad certainly never got the fame).
 
The first time I heard of sp_getapplock:
http://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/36603/handling-concurrent-access-to-a-key-table-without-deadlocks-in-sql-server#comment65313_36807
 
Yes he's a whiz with constraints and concurrency.
Luckily there are lots of smart people around.
Vastly outnumbered of course, but there we are.
 
So SEQUEL has intersection and union operators
we need to bring them back.
 
I wrote some C# code that wraps sp_getapplock so that app code can get blocking (and I supposed deadlocking) features through a shared database. Would anyone be interested in such code and how should I share it?
:36395032 lol
 
6:45 PM
@ErikE post a question and a self-answer if that works.
what do you mean by "shared database" ?
 
> We do not have any deadlocks in our system at all, which is great for our work-life balance.
Sounds like fun
 
There is a lot of interesting stuff going on in the SEQUEL spec.
That SET() creates what postgresql calls a composite row type
 
@AndriyM no kidding. That's exactly what I thought when he posted that.
 
I haven't seen it in other implementations
 
It is available as a free download as well.
@EvanCarroll I have it open in a tab to read through when I get a suitable window.
 
6:52 PM
I learned a few things reading it.
trying to write the ideas in PostgreSQL.
Q9 is pretty cool
SELECT * FROM ( VALUES (1,2),(4,5) ) AS t(x,y) WHERE (x,y) = ANY(ARRAY[(1,2),(2,3)]);
Using set intersection in a WHERE clause.
 
@PaulWhite I keep meaning to buy it. I want it on my shelf.
 
There is no description of GROUP BY foo DUPL in the SEQUEL spec.
though the grammar permits it
 
Lol you're really determined @McNets =) Good on you. BAMBI MUST HAVE A COPY OF SQL-86. We must find Bambi!
 
@EvanCarroll ;)
 
7:04 PM
Call up, (301) 891-4172 -- who had this phone 30 years ago, and where was their book collection
 
@EvanCarroll may be you can find out some printed doc on universities, like MIT
He/She wrote using YACC (Yet another compiler-compiler) plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/1/yacc plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/1/yacc
@book{ANSI:SQL1986,
AUTHOR = "American National Standards Institute",
TITLE = "{D}atabase {L}anguage {SQL}",
NOTE = "Document ANSI X3.135-1986. Also available as International
Standards Organization Document ISO/TC97/SC21/WG3 N117."
}
 
7:23 PM
@MaxVernon Meaning, if multiple servers running the same app need to connect to the database. In our environment, a web server can perform certain actions, but so can a Windows service (could be installed on the same server or a different one).
Instead of trying to solve the problem of ensuring both don't perform the same action through network or Windows or other outside-the-database technology, given that the action is ultimately recorded to the database, then serialize it through the database which is shared.
@MaxVernon Do you think this question and self-answer would have value here? Are people here interested in C# code to do databasey things?
 
@MaxVernon Yes, exactly, that's what I was wondering.
 
@McNets tanks I like ;)
 
T-95 is quite a piece of machinery
 
@MaxVernon So it's your opinion that it would not be a good fit for SE.dba?
 
7:37 PM
@ErikE I don't mind it being here; just there is not a lot of C# done here. If the community thinks it belongs either here or there it will get moved.
 
@PaulWhite I called, it's an answering machine playing Rick Astley's song
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Perfect.
 
7:54 PM
Meta Rickrolled. Nice.
 
8:06 PM
so close, yet so far.
 
Everybody wins!
 
8:26 PM
Hands-up #sqlbitsters!
Or people going to SQLBits next week ...
 
Not sure why that deserved a down vote but whatever...
@wBob Not going, but would have liked to attend this one: sqlbits.com/Sessions/Event16/…
 
@JoeObbish If this is Rick Astley, you are in trouble ...
 
@wBob I would never let you down
 
8:46 PM
@JoeObbish lol
 
9:03 PM
Thanks to whoever upvoted that! @JoeObbish - I'll look at that question later, but now I'm at the pub.
 
@EvanCarroll the answer is the US Army
acwc.sdp.sirsi.net/client/en_US/default/search/detailnonmodal/…:$002f$0‌​02fSD_ILS$002f0$002fSD_ILS:42452/ada
@MaxVernon a Tequila for me please.
 
9:44 PM
It's cool that we know it's not dead, but good luck getting it out of that library
we need someone to scan it now.
lol
James Bond
 
McGiver
I've added a new iso reference: ISO/TC 97/SC21/WG3 N117
it's the same document
 
He's only McGiver after he gets me the spec, he's MacGyver until then.
 
Ups sorry
 
@McNets I don't think "ISO/TC 97/SC21/WG3 N117" all mean SQL-86
ISO TC 97, is the precursor to ANSI (I believe before it was privatized) not a specification.
 
I've found an old jtc1 ftp site
Document ANSI X3. 135-1986. (Also available as ISO document ISO=TC97= SC21=WG3 N117
Have a loot at REFERENCES at the end of the doc. ieor.berkeley.edu/~atamturk/pubs/_published/or48-2000.pdf
 
9:58 PM
I'm not sure that's correct though
That's one whitepaper with 30 references making a mistake on how to cite one of the references. But we would have to ask ISO for an authoritative source
@McNets I would remove the part about SQL-89 on your answer, or move it to the bottom. That spec is a lot easier to find (and it doesn't have anything to do with SQL-86). I would want the original research and the proof that it's in a government library at the top of that answer.
 
@EvanCarroll do whatever you consider correct.
 
10:16 PM
@McNets take a look at that and see if you're ok with it, if not feel free to roll it back.
(SQL-92 is linked on Wikipedia, most people use the text version of SQL-92, and the 2011n spec)
 
@EvanCarroll it's perfect!!
 
yep that's the one
that's better the pdf, everyone uses that it just has no relevance to the question. SQL-92 is massively different than 86/89. I don't exactly know how or why. But, I know it to be.
 
10:50 PM
@McNets just wrote Merrill Holt an email
I'll see what he says
 
11:03 PM
@EvanCarroll good luck, send me a copy!!
 
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