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@HannahVernon Agreed, it's also because most people put AGs in as an afterthought and don't know their network, workload, etc, and then complain they have problems even though they were there the whole time.
Yeah since it's such a low hit rate - you're the only person who has hit the issue so far as I know - there isn't much traction on getting it fixed. I was going to look into a fix but have a different feature right now taking all my time... well, when I'm back in the office.
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Maybe you two can kiss at the AG
01:22
441 million rows inserted now
.com is complete - it's working on .info now
 
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That seems almost pointless
583960K rows inserted.
What a disappointing outcome for a very promising idea
03:13
yes
quite silly
03:27
Reeks of being externally funded
Titanic deckchair material
all someone has to do is make some minor change to their query to get around that
it's absolute idiocy
Less useful than query governor
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Why can't AGs support bulk logged recovery model.
03:57
Why can’t SQL Server support unlogged tables
 
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Non-durable hekaton tables are unlogged
 
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09:01
Looks like the Hawk Tuah girl expanded her brand to pump and dump that thang
Weird because new crypto meme coins are usually very safe investments
I know, right? In unrelated news I've lost all my savings
But the next meme coin will go straight to the moon, just hodl and get a lambo
Lol, autocorrect fought me 3 times on the hodl spelling
diamond hands, bro
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haven't heard that one before
I still don't understand bitcoin
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Q: What is a good way to concisely explain Bitcoin?

GaryOften I'm asked to explain Bitcoin to someone and occasionally I come up with something stellar that really nails it, but most times it's a rambling incoherent mess. What I would like to see is a short and simple explanation of what Bitcoin is that is suitable for someone non-technical to under...

Their top-voted question
09:15
But no one actually uses it as a currency. Everyone only buys more and holds like a cult. And it still works after all these years
09:25
You say that like it's something remarkable. Have you seen the value of shares recently? Especially AI-related ones
Digitial currencies will probably be a significant thing in our lifetimes
Nov 8 at 0:17, by Hannah Vernon
so my mail server has been running a little slowly today, and the server fans are whirring excessively. Turns out the Windows Server Update Services database ran out of space early this morning and started spamming me with SEV017 errors. There are a lot of those emails in my inbox now. As in over 430,000 lol.
@HannahVernon Did you get many emails from icann.org at all
09:39
@PaulWhite Yeah but shares and even AI have some intrinsic value. Bitcoin is just there
Everything has the value people decide it has
Apr 10 at 7:26, by John K. N.
Gold is not valuable. It only has a value because the majority of the human population has decided to allow it to have a value. The paper bills that we call money have no value. But somewhere in history people switched from gold coins to paper to allow for better transportation.
There's no fundamental valuetron elementary 'particle' or whatever. It all becomes philosophy eventually
09:57
You can make electronics or drug cartel weapons out of gold. Paper bills are backed by the government. Bitcoin is backed by (checks notes) crypto bros?
Are you suggesting crypto bros are somehow less trustworthy than (checks notes) the government
Saying something is 'useful' or not, or 'backed by' something is a value judgement
Fiat money is called fiat for a reason
So you can buy Fiat Multipla
Houses are useful for living in, but that doesn't stop mindless speculation that has nothing to do with their utility
Belief in the potential for something to increase in 'value' has a value of its own, it seems
I hate when you make good points about things I dislike
The world sucks in general. I'm not responsible for that
10:03
Can't a person just dislike stuff in peace?
Sure, carry on. I apologise for the disruption
Thank you. I will ignore anything I've learned from this conversation
Our mission continues
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10:13
sadly, no frog.
Frog with tire marks
A sleepy frog then?
Or did you mean tyre marks
yes
rare misspel
Ah yes, Miss Pel.
So many fond memories
10:24
Not the best secretary I ever had
 
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@ErikReasonableRatesDarling Has anybody actually built anything using it? I've found a possible use for it, and if somebody has first-hand experience with it I'd be keen to hear.
@JohnK.N. Ironically, that's what makes gold so popular.
12:24
@PaulWhite you're still looking into the Query Store reindex?
@Zikato Yes, I ran out of time/enthusiasm yesterday
Never really happy with partial answers
Reorganize, not reindex
So if index reorg runs anyway why does only one DB have this problem? Does it reorg the query store persisted data or the partitioned heap?
Isn't QS a database focussed setting?
@Zikato I don't understand your question. Where did you get "only one DB have this problem" from? What does "partitioned heap" refer to? But yes, the index organization is on the query store internal tables (persisted data).
@JohnK.N. Yes
@PaulWhite I believe OP mentioned it only happens on one database. Perhaps in a deleted comment?
12:39
@Zikato No, there's nothing like that
The OP only left two comments in total
> @SeanGallardy: I also thought something like this was happening but no reorgs are running. As soon as querystore is disabled, the huge logbackups disappear. – Frederik Vanderhaegen
It was an edit then
> @SeanGallardy: you are correct the log is telling me that reorg is running but how do you explain, as soon as I disable query store it is back to normal and the moment I turn it back on the huge log backups are back? Also according to the log, the reorg is happening on plan_persist_runtime_stats. – Frederik Vanderhaegen
Ah, it's still there. The last sentence
12:42
@Zikato Oh 🤣 completely missed that
Don't know. Perhaps the other databases are configured differently or have tiny Query Stores. There's no way to know.
All this talks about reading comprehension and it was about gaslighting 😁
I also missed it was only happening on a single database
From what I can see, it should always be happening. Chances are it's just not causing a noticeable issue on the others. 🤷‍♂️
So anyway, what was the "partitioned heap" bit about?
12:47
I believe that's how the place in memory is called where QS keeps all the cached statements to see if they qualify for the capture mode or not. So if you have lots of ad-hoc queries it might be large
Ok
It's more of a general name for a structure, which the runtime stats do use
But at least I know what you're talking about now
I would imagine memory pressure from there, the statement hash map or anywhere else, would just result in the interval being flushed early.
But I don't know
Yeah. We've found a bug in SQL Server where query store size would be calculated as QS size + partitioned heap for one case and QS size only for another case. This triggered a see-sawing of switching from read-write to read-only.
I do know that using TF 7748 or setting STALE_QUERY_THRESHOLD_DAYS to zero eliminates the routine index reorganizations for me
The code paths I've been looking at only call CDBQDS::GetOnDiskSizeKb
Fair enough
It's not a very convenient workaround, I grant you
CQDSRuntimeStats::CPartitionedStatsObject
13:04
That sounds familiar
Anyway, it turns out that spacebar heating is a real issue for some
sqldk!SOS_PartitionedHeap is the underlying structure
How are you finding this so fast?
Well, it's not all new to me. I was just lakhing context for the original question/statement
When SQL people talk about partitioned heaps, they're normally talking about database tables
I should have thrown an AmbiguousReferenceException perhaps
ha ha
yes hello i've arrived
arrivederci
is tf 7748 a qs best practice now
i'm thinking so
13:15
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling you're leaving already?
@PaulWhite “Imagine if keeping your car idling 24/7 produced solved Sudokus you could then trade for heroin
chat markdown defeated
Final boss was mobile
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling ha ha probably not, but I couldn't find the zero setting for STALE_QUERY_THRESHOLD_DAYS documented either. The QS documentation is a bit all over the place, so perhaps I missed it
I can just imagine the designer adding the reorg as a lightweight and more concurrent alternative to index rebuilds
Never mind that it will warm someone's spacebar
Billions of tests and somehow never enough
13:23
maybe they wouldn't need to reorg if they didn't delete everything one row at a time
have you ever seen wait stats cleanup
Yes, but that's more concurrent, Erik
i would like to talk to the batch manager
FROM sys.plan_persist_runtime_stats WITH(NOLOCK)
That appears in sys.plan_persist_runtime_stats_merged
Referenced from sys.query_store_runtime_stats
lol these ppl
Hello Eric, (sic)

Do you have any expence (sic) performance tuning with Microsoft Fabric?

We're having a lot of problems and wnat (sic) to find an MVP or someone
with Fabric ceritifications (sic) to help us make this faster. It seems
like every query is terrible (sic) slow.

Thanks,
[REDACTED]
It's a shame to separate them from their money
I'm a little surprised they didn't ask for someone with ten years' experience expence
13:28
Maybe they're searching for a tailor or seamstress
It is possible. The encrypted message makes it hard to tell
And of course every query is terrible slow. Welcome to the cloud
But what a (sic)k email
The only part I don't understand is wanting an MVP. How would an ability to shill for MS help?
Perhaps Bitcoin will solve this problem
how is anyone an mvp with a beta technology
all the certifications are in beta
what the good golly gosh is the point of any of this
They started shilling early
13:31
Shill preview
Do you reply to these kinds of emails?
It's all v awkward
brogpt to the rescue
That will get you SUED
It's Bro Pilot™
i am tempted to respond publicly to the email
13:35
New sued from genuine Microsoft fabric?
with my thoughts on fabric, microsoft certifications, and the mvp program
🤣 making friends
might get me killed
So grumpy on St Nicholas' day
i can't type those letters in that order
sorry
13:37
@Zikato Was he the patron Saint of apostrophe abuse?
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling Let me guess - bollocks, bollocks and more bollocks?
yes
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling yeah, I can't even bear to leave that in the transcript
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells that's about what it'd boil down to yes
I think that we can say the state of the AI market is as much a reflection on the standards of the genuine article as it is on anything else.
13:39
I'd like a Venn diagram of MVPs and experts please
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling In unrelated news, were the comments above on DuckDB actually a reflection of somebody's personal experiences with it or just taking the piss about the hype?
Eric (sic) is constantly shilling for something. He wants to be an MVP
@Zikato ( MVPs ( @PaulWhite ) Experts )
Sounds viking. Eric the Grump
Erik the Swift
> Erik can run faster than the other two, can jump, and can bash through some walls (and enemies) with his helmet.
I bet the Vikings didn't have the first clue about vi
13:42
While millions of children across the globe get their Christmas presents from Santa on Christmas Day, in Hungary, Saint Nicholas, called Mikulás, arrives on the eve of 6 December, bringing sweets and nuts, and leaves the task of delivering the real Christmas gifts to the angels.
@PaulWhite Well the weren't called Emacskings for nothing.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells i've had some fun with it, but not had the occasion to do anything real.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells right
if anyone is interested
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling I think I've found a use for it - a ceded reinsurance system.
13:43
re query abortion hints
I wonder what the Easter Bunny does 364 days of the year
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells oh sure, i mean it's quite simple to try out and see. i'd recommend getting a gui like dbeaver to interact with it though. using the cli isn't an enjoyable experience.
@JohnK.N. Same here
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling More about embedding it in an application, although step 1 is to benchmark it and see how quickly it could run through some scenarios.
I shall have a frig about with it, I think.
sounds fun, let me know how it goes
13:46
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling That's totally one big, rich customer missing the woods for the trees
If it happens it will be the first C or C++ I've done in nearly 20 years.
i'm trying my best
this thing needs an intervention
Rest and Relaxation
After the busy Easter season, the Easter Bunny likely takes a well-earned vacation, relaxing in a cozy burrow or hopping through peaceful meadows.

Egg Decoration Practice
It probably spends part of the year experimenting with new designs, patterns, and colors for next year's eggs, staying ahead of the trends.

Gardening and Farming
A bunny's gotta eat! The Easter Bunny might tend to its garden, growing carrots, lettuce, and other bunny favorites. Plus, it might cultivate plants that yield the dyes and paints used for decorating eggs.
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling Remember, you're not the idiot whisperer.
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@ErikReasonableRatesDarling Perhaps they'll add enable_ordinal to it in two release's time
@JohnK.N. "It"?
Also, "holiday mascots"
smh
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells i will someday save a sql server feature from idiocy
I bet Easter bunny personally nailed Jesus to the cross
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling Well, it's nice to have a dream, I suppose.
my dream is smoking cigarettes in a french graveyard
that dream will come true in 10 days
Go to Paris and light up in Per Lachaise then.
See if you can get a selfie in front of Oscar Wilde or Jim Morrison's tomb.
13:51
@Zikato She was a hot, cross bun that day
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells i prefer montmartre
@PaulWhite In some traditions, the Easter Bunny is male, depicted as a jolly hare delivering eggs. In others, especially in folklore tied to fertility (like ancient goddess Eostre), the figure could be interpreted as female, aligned with the nurturing, life-giving themes of spring.
specifically this guy
14:15
@PaulWhite if by "many" you mean several thousand, yes
@HannahVernon I did mean that, yes
Sorry took me a while to scroll through the transcript.
your scrolling is as slow as your data loading
The best thing about the czds.icann.org website is having to click literally a thousand download buttons
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling heyheyhey
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Every time I get it in two, my wife accuses me of cheating
sleeping your way to the top clearly
14:28
Ad-hoc whack-a-mole was choice
ahem
one more edit
you're so close
~a~
oh you can do it
everyone cheer hannah on
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sean you don't seem v. oof
what's going on
did you get a resupply
I'm on call Sunday - even though I'm oof - because why would there be proper staffing
why do you need to be on call
14:35
I wanted to move the dump analysis to a stand alone desktop application, but I also wanted to rewrite the debug engine interface, I am trying to find motivation to work on that and also the SSMS add-in given the new release of SSMS being 64-bit which opens up a lot more.
Because Azure is junk and doesn't run if people don't constantly fix it
can't you just turn it off
I so wish
you must know where the button is
The button is hidden well, it's the "create MI/Hyperscale Instance" button
oh so the serbs know where it is
tickle it out of them
14:36
It's kind of ridiculous the amount of hand holding that is done for this stuff
not unexpected though
everyone is functionally r worded
I've found code which doesn't check a return code and just keeps on failing the call. Never does anything, and waits 7 days before finally considering itself failed.
Then you have the Azure block storage (HDD over HTTP) which is absolutely worthless, you'd rather have nutanix.
Hyperscale isn't any better, remote log causing binds everywhere
People spend more time keeping Azure up than actually getting work done with Azure
@HannahVernon What about the big blue Download All Requests button?
@PaulWhite Wow!
Finally gets credit
Thank goodness for Josh
14:47
Sep 10 at 19:18, by Josh Darnell
I just worked on a bug where someone assumed Task.Delay(int.MaxValue) meant a Task that waits indefinitely. And thus the thing they wanted to happen only once was happening every 24.8 days instead, causing all manner of inexplicable and confusing problems.
Glad it's not just me running into this stuff
Although, makes you wonder how often AI tells people to do this
well
if azure had 25 days of uptime that would be a good start
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15:06
does anyone need anything from boston
probably not
Is there anything iconic that would be cool?
uh
marlboro 100s and a budweiser
Sure that isn't south western PA?
I still remember peoples cig orders from working at Sheetz
Also taught me quite a bit about people
"this check is going to bounce"
@PaulWhite lol
15:10
"pack of Jacks soft, pack of tareyton"
The older women who would come in, and you knew them, getting virginia slims
The group of... "men"... all ordering marlboro ultra light 100s
tareyton had good ads
Those people were the ones you knew smoked since they were 4
That and the Pall Mall people
as a smoker since I was 12, I fixed it for you
I shouldn't say since - I've been quit for over 2 years now.
I used to love Benson and Hedges myself.
15:19
lol i was pinwheeling trying to figure out if he was making a Paul pun
@HannahVernon Oh man, another throw back
@HannahVernon those were great
yeah for sure
Camels were popular with a crowd too, but more new-age
i think the b&h gold were the ones i liked
15:20
when I lived in Florida Camels were all I smoked
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling definitely
@HannahVernon I didn't know you lived here before, where abouts?
there were a few times when I went to watch the dog races or Jai alai that I'd inadvertently buy the Camels plain with no filters.
harsh or what.
@SeanGallardy Clearwater
well, Safety Harbor actually
@HannahVernon Nice, I used to be there as well
my sister still lives there
I mean Safety Harbor, Clearwater, Tarpin, etc., are all together
15:22
I'd visit her but yeah De Santis is too much fun for me.
lucky strike were the only unfiltered i enjoyed
@SeanGallardy yeah so many gorgeous places
We had a bit of a cold spell, hit the 40's at night, but it's back to 80s
the sponge dock at Tarpon was good
15:23
Lots of good Greek places around there too
for sure
those were the best places lol
at least according to the owner
not that I blame them
@Paul is still clicking download buttons I bet
Why is everyone talking about B & H in the past tense?
because i used to smoke them
well for one, I don't smoke anymore so it's definitely past tense for me. Although, I'm getting a bit tense from thinking about smoking.
15:35
did you click that
lol it doesn't do what you'd hope
Does it not
Seems badly labelled
all it gave me was a spreadsheet with a list of TLDs I am subscribed to
@PaulWhite rather
It's a clunky experience all around
15:37
it makes me think they don't actually want people to have access to the zone files.
Quite possibly
they should be called ICANT
Judging from the examples I've seen, almost no one should want the files anyway
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Q: What could cause a SQL Server non-cached temporary table to NOT trigger a recompile when a large amount of rows have changed?

Kendra LittleI have observed (and reproduced) the following scenario with SQL Server 2022. I can't share my current repro code publicly, but I will try to put together a public facing repro in the next day or so and share it. The pattern in use code is executed via sp_executesql (no stored procedure is invol...

it's niche for sure
15:40
RFC 1034/5 describe a format you'd only work with for money
hahahah zone files are very painful
but 1970s
you can sort of see why people invented xml and json
definitely
gotta put some kind of structure in place
you must be very motivated to want to do this for fun
I don't know why but something about domain names and DNS in general is interesting.
15:47
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling Sounds like an AG problem
I have several DNS books from 1998 and I have been running a DNS server or three since that time.
No wonder none of us has friends
russian collusion strikes again
no glastnost 4 u
15:52
Why ask such a question before a repro is available. There will be comments
let's face it, there will always be comments
> Have you tried defragmenting your indexes
perhaps someone may understand the behavior as described without a repro
i dunno
Long shot
low code questions are sometimes answerable
15:54
Not denying that
But here's a super-rare scenario I think might be a bug without a repro?
I mean, I understand the excitement. I'm just concerned about the reception
i think it's desperation more than excitement
right now it's happening on a MI readable secondary
not attempted on a primary
some diagnostics are missing on account of ags being stupid and awful
Lose the AG, get off MI, add a recompile hint
sensible
good advice strikes again
and don't use SELECT INTO to create temporary tables
15:59
I know it's easier
sorry for the delay on that image
undoubtedly
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling I suppose one still can't set flags on MI? Or are globals allowed now?
no dbcc trace commands
16:01
did you hear that noise
that was my interest evaporating
if you could do that you might be able to turn on in-memory tempdb or something
lol
my second guess was dns
fweeep
> I'm curious if anyone else has seen it.
Tempted to add a CW answer, "no"
Let's clean the kitchen instead, shall we
how dirty does your kitchen actually get
probably just dirty enough to wait for someone to change the topic
16:17
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling That's the kind of question I used to ask and never get an answer until I figured it out myself or abandoned it with a workaround after days or weeks. Now I don't bother.
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling not very, but that's because I clean it quite well every day
@CadeRoux community spirit
@PaulWhite are your cleaning rates reasonable?
@ErikReasonableRatesDarling free, if we're married
I don't even bother to invoice as already paid
i accept your proposal
16:43
The commute time will be bad though
not once i become a nz citizen
 
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Unless the code you’re running is also in that database context - I am running it manually in a SSMS session. — Maury Markowitz 45 mins ago
SuperUser over here
I saw that, I was surprised... and yet I shouldn't be
It would be nice if surprise resulted in some form of delight more often. Most of the time it’s just adding to the depression.
Living in a real world idiocracy
The movie was ahead of its time
 
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@SeanGallardy each year I think maybe this year will be the year where things get better instead of worse, but so far I've been wrong.
still, soon I'll be dead, so there's that to look forward to.
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