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Paul White

00:10

@JoshDarnell their?

Paul White

00:29

I wonder why they chose VS shell over VS code

Maybe all the GUI weirdness of SSMS was too hard for VSC

Oh! Azure Data Studio was their attempt to develop an SSMS replacement using VSC. I did not know that before

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Josh Darnell

02:52

@PaulWhite my shame 😲

Paul White

03:50

Fixed

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Hannah Vernon

06:04

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Paul White

Everything (aside from the trivial stuff) about git feels like arcane magic with any number of hard-to-remember invocations requiring fresh chicken's blood and whatnot

John K. N.

10:50

@ErikReasonableRatesDarling DB scoped configuration was already available in 16.x

Paul White

11:06

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I suppose they mean something else

> New page in the database properties dialog for Database Scoped Configuration options

Maybe it means moving the highlighted section to its own tab (or a new page)

There are quite a few options not listed though

MAXDOP
LEGACY_CARDINALITY_ESTIMATION
PARAMETER_SNIFFING
QUERY_OPTIMIZER_HOTFIXES
IDENTITY_CACHE
INTERLEAVED_EXECUTION_TVF
BATCH_MODE_MEMORY_GRANT_FEEDBACK
BATCH_MODE_ADAPTIVE_JOINS
TSQL_SCALAR_UDF_INLINING
ELEVATE_ONLINE
ELEVATE_RESUMABLE
OPTIMIZE_FOR_AD_HOC_WORKLOADS
XTP_PROCEDURE_EXECUTION_STATISTICS
XTP_QUERY_EXECUTION_STATISTICS
ROW_MODE_MEMORY_GRANT_FEEDBACK
ISOLATE_SECURITY_POLICY_CARDINALITY
BATCH_MODE_ON_ROWSTORE
DEFERRED_COMPILATION_TV
ACCELERATED_PLAN_FORCING
GLOBAL_TEMPORARY_TABLE_AUTO_DROP

So perhaps they're looking to include all those as well

Zikato

> Language support for Czech, Polish, and Turkish

Why do they bother? Good luck getting any help online if you're using localized version. You have to guess what was the original English text anyway

Josh Darnell

11:37

@PaulWhite Thanks!

I'm back to the usual amount of shame now.

Paul White

@Zikato They're v progressive at MS. Have to be seen to be doing 'the right thing'

Why they chose those three languages is anyone's guess

Zikato

Probably to raise their DEI and ESG scores

John K. N.

12:29

Well Czech because the 24/7 support (follow the sun) is sometimes based in Czech Republic, maybe?

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

13:09

@JohnK.N. that's a bit like saying dark mode has always been available.

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4 curious mindz

Paul White

@ErikReasonableRatesDarling How usable is it? Running it in a sandbox/VM or main desktop? I don't suppose SQL Prompt works with it

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

it's plenty usable. i just installed it on main to see what a few things looked like.

i didn't have time to test reinstalling sql prompt for compatibility but i'd be rather quite surprised

Paul White

Thanks

The new connection experience does sound exciting

I was thinking SQLPrompt might work because it might see SSMS 21 as VS

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

oh well let's find out

Paul White

There's usually a SQLPrompt update available

Maybe that doesn't work like a reinstall does idk

Now they've u-turned on dork mode, the betting odds improve for the T-SQL debugger

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

13:22

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have mercy

Paul White

🫨

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

alright

reinstalled

Paul White

Imagine explaining to a programmer in 2024 that your IDE doesn't have a debugger, so you use print statements

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

let us begin the seeing

ah yeah nah it didn't pick up

Paul White

bugger

oh well

John K. N.

13:26

@ErikReasonableRatesDarling Yes, i c

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

i bet there's an enum file in sql prompt that just needs to have the path for 21 allowed

Paul White

Maybe RedG8 will issue a st8ment

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

st8ment

god

Paul White

They've been p good about that with past previews, in general

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

do i have to do everything 4 u ppl

Paul White

13:28

good point

fixed

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

praise b

Paul White

Not that I'm wedded to SQLPrompt. It's just so much better than the built-in IntelliSense

Maybe they'll notice how shit that is and fix it at some stage

General VS/code IntelliSense is gr8 these days -- better than SQLPrompt really

For programming languages anyway

I guess SQL is different because of all the stupid metadata queries you have to run
Not to mention all the things that aren't in the metadata

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

i have seen the auto complete for c# etc and i am impressed

probably all the stupid dependencies muck things up 2

sql server version and compat level

it irks me to no end that you can't add a compat level hint to certain queries to use enhanced compat level t-sqls

i wonder whose idea that was

they do not get a 🍪

Paul White

Oh yes, not just metadata queries -- the whole ScriptDom thing

I wonder if SQLPrompt is built on that

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

it can't be metadata for everything because it refuses to accept that there's a compat 160 use hint

Paul White

13:42

It's not exactly built from engine source as I recall, but they do keep ScriptDom impressively up to date

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

didn't it not recognize forcescan as valid syntax for a long time

there was something else too

Paul White

@ErikReasonableRatesDarling Yes, SQLPrompt has been falling behind for a while. I wonder why

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

the time really will just flyway

Paul White

Maybe they wrote their own implementation and just ran out of interns

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

english summers, you know

Paul White

13:43

True

Could be licencing issues with using ScriptDom in a commerical product

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

well they started bundling sql prompt with vs something or other no?

ads?

Paul White

Dunno

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

no not ads

Paul White

It's a funny thing. Heaps of effort goes into ScriptDom, but then they hardly document it at all. Arvind Shyamsundar does an ad hoc thing on his blog.

Perhaps RedG8 will have extra revenue to invest after the Summit extravaganza

Hugely popular and well-attended precons this year, I hear

I suppose they'll w8 to c how many refund requests come in

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

no refunds

at least not for me

Paul White

13:48

Reverse invoice action. Can u imagine

I was joking about the refunds

@ErikReasonableRatesDarling It's slightly weird though because you'd have a hint in the statement that affects the parser. The parser would probably need to restart using a different config when it reached the end bit where the hint is. Not insurmountable, just a bit odd

I mean, I can sort of see why it doesn't work

Zikato

@PaulWhite It is

Paul White

@Zikato They're a bit behind with their chores then

Zikato

well it's not like RG maintains scriptdom, so it's not on them

Paul White

@Zikato It kinda is because ScriptDom is far ahead of SQLPrompt

It's generally very good in fact, often ahead of the official docs

That's where I first saw the suppress messages option for ignore-dup-key for example

Zikato

interesting back when I was investigating it was definitely behind

Paul White

13:57

I mean, I might be wrong on the detail, but that's how it seems to me

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

suppress me scriptdom

Zikato

that's like 2 years back

@ErikReasonableRatesDarling we'll get you a different dom

Paul White

Oh yeah well I was looking at it more recently than that

deep.data.blog

Zikato

I'm planning to start a project with scriptdom as C# learning exercise

Paul White

I've always thought that would be fun, if potentially frustrating

Because if Arvind hasn't written about it, you won't have anything to go on

Lakh of learns

Zikato

13:59

Well they made it open source back in 2023 maybe the situation improved since then

techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/azuresqlblog/…

Paul White

I would write a tighter SQLPrompt and just eat their (and IntelliSense's) lunch

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

i'd buy that

Zikato

I will create a script formatter with no options. Then everyone will be stuck with leading commas. Muahahaha

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

iwnbt

Paul White

@Zikato Yeah, that's the classic post that links to Arvind

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

14:00

default post, really

Paul White

Always strikes me as odd that young Z has many fine qualities in general, then ruins it with comma placement

Flaw in the rug, perhaps

Zikato

I usually read the Dan Guzman's scriptdom blog post. Also Ed Elliot's

https://www.dbdelta.com/microsoft-sql-server-script-dom/
https://the.agilesql.club/2015/11/how-to-get-started-with-the-scriptdom/

Paul White

> The script DOM library official documentation is rather scant

In theory, you could answer your questions from the GH source

In practice, a fair amount of it is impenetrable

And there's hidden antlr stuff and whatnot

Zikato

@PaulWhite it was written in 2020

Paul White

But if it were easy, everyone would b doing it

@Zikato Yep

Zikato

14:06

Maybe I should spend some more time on it. I wouldn't mind building a source of passive income

Paul White

There's this sort of inevitable pattern where a good product like SQLPrompt seems to get handed over to marketing or something. The core gets neglected and they start adding bits no one asked for. Like AI.

Warning about missing WHERE clauses etc

Zikato

yeah or branching out to 20 different database engines

Paul White

Even code formatting is a bit of a stretch

Though they made a brave effort at that

Zikato

The missing where clause rule is trickier than it seems

Paul White

Well, naturally

Some people ended up writing WHERE 1 = 1

I just turned the whole damned feature off

There are heaps of rules that are no doubt well-intentioned

Zikato

14:10

It's most annoying when I'm doing update via CTE. The where clause is in the cte but not in the final update

Paul White

But everything is trickier than it seems

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

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Paul White

On a similar theme, the SSMS team would be well advised to ditch the CoPilot idea right now

Zikato

There is no turning back now

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

@PaulWhite it's probably one of the few things they can get funded for dev work

Paul White

14:12

Marketing said it would be good to write SQL queries from Natural Language

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

microsoft is truly sick with it

Zikato

May 26, 2023 at 10:38, by Zikato

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Paul White

It's a pattern. People just can't seem to be happy with using a thing for what it is objectively good at. They have to wildly extrapolate to it solve all known problems everywhere for everyone at all times

Zikato

It's to appease all these single-issue ~~voters~~ users

Paul White

Well, exactly

I blame the overuse of superlatives

And misuse. Like "very unique"

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

14:16

"vast majority"

it's like saying "big huge"

Paul White

I'm pretty ok with "vast majority" though

Better words exist for sure, but it gets an idea across

Very unique utterly grinds my gears

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

bah

Paul White

It's either unique or it's not. It can be any more unique than unique.

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

distinctly unique

Sean Gallardy

@PaulWhite Unless the mandates that all things will have AI in it and that determines your end of year review, the AI sludge will continue to flow

Josh Darnell

14:19

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Paul White

Whereas vast majority implies something much more than a simple plurality

Josh Darnell

Super cool having that in the VS installer.

Paul White

@JoshDarnell Really is

VSI being a work of art these days

Everything's neat, quick, and just works. Update on close is a neat thing as well

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

vast is subjective though

Zikato

Is that an actual fact?

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

14:21

some people would say it for 65%, others for 85%

Paul White

@ErikReasonableRatesDarling The other one that gets abused massively is "critical". Everything's bloody "critical" even when it's clearly not even moderately important in the gr8er scheme of things

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

these tipping points are killing me!!!

crucial

Paul White

@ErikReasonableRatesDarling it is. It's not a precise expression, but it's not redundant or tautological either

Zikato

If everything is crucial, nothing is.
- Syndrome (probably)

Paul White

Yep, wild extrapolation and exagerration everywhere

Zikato

14:24

@PaulWhite Are you absolutely certain about it?

Paul White

@Zikato Yeah well, look I see the point but I'm not trying to insist language be sensible or logical or anything obviously unattainable or undesirable like that. There are examples of useful redundancy for emphasis. "Very unique" just makes me want to hurt people, that's all

Zikato

That's fair

Paul White

It's a background irritation most of the time but some country just had a really public election process go on for about 724620644084 years and everyone was at it

Zikato

I dislike the redundancy hidden in abbreviations. For example LED diode

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

it was quite unprecedented

@Zikato ignoring the classed "ATM machine"

Paul White

14:27

The worst thing is that in the end no one really knows what was actually promised and what was wildly exaggerated rhetoric etc

PIN number

to get the classic out of the way

It's at the stage where if you express a thought in reasonable terms, no one takes any interest because it's not "critical" or "very critical" or w/e

All v much like overusing !important in CSS

Appealing to the local webdev crowd

Zikato

Do you expect people to put some thought into their code?

Paul White

expect might be overstating it

the vast majority of people might expect it tho

it's probably quite subjective

The language is losing richness if nothing else. Everything's "amazing" when clearly it's not even remarkable, or possibly noteworthy

Josh Darnell

Amazing point, man.

Paul White

argh

And I suppose this is how we end up in stupid places like "very unique". You went superlative too early and are now painted into a corner

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

i'm gonna start reverse marketing

"this thing sucks, you gotta try it to see how bad it is"

Zikato

14:39

@PaulWhite It's not the worst point to make in the grand scheme of things

Erik just went full clickbait Youtuber on us

Paul White

Erik shared an otherwise interesting video recently, which I almost stopped watching when every question from the audience was met with, "That's a gr8 question" even when it was clearly the most mundane of interrogatives and sometimes even bordering on the daft, indicating the person hadn't been awake for the main talk

@Zikato He's just after a useful passive income

Zikato

Most questions suck, anyone who says differently is selling something

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

@PaulWhite which one was that?

as a public speaker you're taught to tell everyone their question is great regardless of quality to they feel welcomed and included

etc.

i usually say "wow you really spaced out" instead

Zikato

unless you're Brent

Paul White

I'm not advocating for people being rude, like "that's a stupid question, were you asleep for the talk" but decorating everything with the same stock platitude is just meaningless at best and insulting to the intelligence arguably

@ErikReasonableRatesDarling The PhD student

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

14:43

oh yeah

Zikato

now I gotta see how bad it is

Paul White

It's not an egregious example, it just came to mind

Josh Darnell

@Zikato lol

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

there was one precon comment where an attendee told us they really improved a query by reducing logical reads, though the query didn't actually get faster

"it was still about 7 seconds"

Josh Darnell

Reading the comments on Brent's blog posts is always kind of funny. 50% of his responses are just telling the commenters that they are stupid.

Zikato

14:45

It's a tough job but someone has to do it

Paul White

Oct 22 at 13:13, by Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

Dear UDFs, I Broke Up With You But Now I'm Ready To Give You a Second Chance by Sam Arch

@ErikReasonableRatesDarling Right. But why

I mean people are taught all sorts of stupid things

Sean Gallardy

> 5 files changed, 161 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

@PaulWhite brent probably said to do it

Sean Gallardy

Be careful with CUs :D

Paul White

I created a hardlink today so git works how I want

I will no doubt regret this

It was originally a symbolic link but OneDrive wapped out on it

It's fascinating to me that all files are in fact hardlinks and my new fancy hardlink is indistinguishable from anything else without running fsutil on it specifically

So, I now have two files in two different places that are essentially the same file

Future me is going to come back in time and kill me so if you have anything important to ask, I'd get on with it

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

14:52

can i have your sql server notes

Paul White

no

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

b4ukillu

Paul White

next question

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

can i have them when you're dead

Paul White

@ErikReasonableRatesDarling O btw Amanda shared one of your white wines with the neighbour today and they absolutely raved about it

Shazi Riesling 2023 or something like that

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

14:53

produced by darling data vineyards

Paul White

u can have my spare wine

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

chez data

Paul White

u will not need a big box

Hannah Vernon

spare wine

as if there was ever any of that

Paul White

Pretentious people speak of cellars

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

14:55

srsly

Paul White

There's something vaguely offensive about owning more wine than you could ever drink

Like, what is the point of that

Hannah Vernon

we should ask the billionaires in the room

Paul White

Another pointless species

Hannah Vernon

isn't that the truth

they are dogmatic with their money and their wine.

Paul White

There's a general trend where increasing wealth correlates with increasing pointlessness

Exceptions exist, ofc, but that just proves the rule, I'm told

It must be hard to regard anything as important when you have a few billion in your back pocket

Hannah Vernon

15:01

I just wanted to say sorry about yesterday's short but nonetheless pointless political debacle.

I should learn never to engage like that

Paul White

Did nothing to improve the gymnatics, but such things happen when ALL CAPS are allowed

Hannah Vernon

LOL

oops there I go again

Paul White

Learning is slow, but we're in it for the long haul

Hannah Vernon

hey at least SSMS runs under modern Visual Studio now though hey

Paul White

It all starts with comma placement, you know

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

15:02

i would like to be a pointless billionaire

Hannah Vernon

oh my god I hope chat.se never dies

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

i'd make all of you pointless millionaires

Paul White

@HannahVernon Yes, that's all v encouraging and I hope they don't have time to fuck it up

@ErikReasonableRatesDarling Nothing wrong with millionaires

Hannah Vernon

it's when you have a thousand million where it becomes pointless. And that only applies for the next 5 decades or so until a billion is worth the same as a million in today's spending power.

Paul White

Everything is nuanced

Hannah Vernon

15:05

except dogmatism

Paul White

woof?

Hannah Vernon

you're on a roll today, as always, it seems

Paul White

idk, the stupidity of it all is that pretty much everyone that owns their house in my town is technically a millionaire

Zikato

You can all be millionaires just convert your money to HUF

Paul White

Local factors are especially important in the present discussion

If I were ever in a position where there was more wine available than I could ever drink, I would immediately start throwing parties

Or send the wife around to the neighbours', which p much comes to the same thing

Zikato

15:10

Someone could DDoS you with wine

Paul White

So much of the local social fabric is based on rocking up unexpectedly with a bottle of good wine

Hannah Vernon

I can think of far worse things

Paul White

@Zikato They're most welcome to try

Zikato

Unexpected surprise - that's another nice phrase.

Paul White

There's a lot to be said for the death penalty really

Hannah Vernon

15:13

In other news, we're going to see a 75 year old rocker and his E-Street band that's been around for 50 years tonight. Should be fun.

Zikato

wow, shipping to NZ is expensive

Paul White

You should try living here

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

when i'm a billionaire i will

Zikato

I wanted to send the best boxed wine Czechia has to offer

Paul White

🤣

Hannah Vernon

15:15

I thought wine was supposed to be a gift

Paul White

It's always a gift

Zikato

Free gift, one might say

Paul White

Not if one would like to remain unshot

Hannah Vernon

I could send you some wine from Manitoba but I think you'd probably ~~unfriend~~ block me

Paul White

Yous seem to be under the impression there is some sort of wine shortage here

idk if you didn't read the transcript

Josh Darnell

15:17

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Hannah Vernon

we quite like the New Zealand wine here

Paul White

but that is Not A Gr8 Question

Josh Darnell

The configurations page is kind of funny when connected to a SQL Server 2016 instance.

Compared to Erik's screenshot.

Zikato

> Yet there is an explanation as to why the Czech wine industry is shrouded in mystery. Due to the fact that the country consumes the large majority of the annual production each year, most of us non-Czech wine folks never get a chance to try them

lol

Paul White

@JoshDarnell I was just about to ask why yours was so much shorter than Erik's, but paused to rephrase

Hannah Vernon

15:18

twss

Paul White

Nice of them to avoid "vast majority" there for @E's sake

Zikato

It's a perfectly cromulent expression

Hannah Vernon

> Trump mulling Tulsi Gabbard for top intelligence job

sorry I couldn't help myself

Paul White

@Zikato One doesn't hear "large majority" very often. Was that translated?

Zikato

Nope. Source: civilwines.com/blog/five-things-about-czech-wine

Hannah Vernon

15:21

I feel like they could have made that text more invisible

Paul White

@Zikato Ah, an American

Zikato

yeah, I had to ctrl + a

Hannah Vernon

funny I selected a bunch of text as I was reading it

Paul White

Arielle DeSoucey is a good name for a wine educator (whatever that may mean)

Probably translates to "Ariel the Permanently Sauced"

And why is everyone always smiling in photographs. When did that become normal

Hannah Vernon

Czech wine expert is not a phrase you hear every day

Paul White

15:23

Certainly not every day

Hannah Vernon

it sure looks like beautiful countryside

Zikato

We've been winemaking since 2nd century

Josh Darnell

@PaulWhite Well done.

I'd like to keep my current shame levels intact for at least a few hours.

Paul White

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Simple person amused by wine bottle

@Zikato One drop at a time?

Hannah Vernon

looks like she has a good grip on it though

Paul White

15:28

I suppose one learns not to drop the bottles early

Josh Darnell

I tried to open a wine bottle for someone once. I didn't look very happy. Absolutely ruined the cork.

Paul White

It's a fraught operation

No one smiles like that while doing it

Unless they're giving up and amused by their own incompetence

Josh Darnell

All the wine I ever drank myself had a threaded twist off cap 😄

Paul White

Maybe that's what happened

Josh Darnell

@PaulWhite I might've have landed there in the end.

Paul White

15:30

@JoshDarnell That used to be a sign of cheap wine, but it's very much gone the other way in recent times. Too many good wines ruined by duff corks

Erik Reasonable Rates Darling

lots of countries decided their citizens couldn't be trusted with wine openers

being sharp objects

Paul White

I bet the stats on that are appalling

Imagine having "died failing to open a wine bottle" on your cert

Hannah Vernon

America, the land of "don't microwave your cat"

Paul White

You'd never live it down

Our hairdryer has a warning not to use it in the bath

Zikato

Can you even enjoy a wine without the satisfying pop of the cork?

Paul White

15:31

In. The. Bath.

Hannah Vernon

@PaulWhite does make you wonder if that has actually happened

Josh Darnell

@PaulWhite Well.

Paul White

@Zikato Yep

But yeah ok, there is some satisfaction in opening a fizzy wine just right but why take the risk

You're never quite sure the wine is ok until you taste it

Fizzy wine is the last refuge of the cork really

Most of the time, I know the wine's going to be just gr8 and I don't want any unnecessary delay in getting into it

Zikato

it's not that hard to open the cork though. You just leverage the lever

Josh Darnell

@PaulWhite I had no idea!

Paul White

15:35

Yeah, no one wants "corked" wine or bits of cork in the wine

I expect corks are more expensive than screw tops too

Zikato

And there's also boxed wine

Paul White

Boxed wine will always have a special place in my heart

Zikato

well it's good for mulled wine

Paul White

It's best when the box is removed and you all just glug whatever horrible liquid is inside from the foil balloon

Quantity does have a quality all of its own

Couple of glasses (cups) in, no one cares

mustaccio

> In. The. Bath.

Paul White

15:38

Student times were all about optimising for alcohol per unit dollar

mustaccio

that's where your hair is most wet, innit

Paul White

Do people wash their hair in the bath? I suppose they do

I've only ever seen it in unlikely-looking scenes from movies

There'll no doubt be someone who makes toast in the bath too

Zikato

If bath is the only thing you have…

Paul White

It seems that, over time, these incidences will naturally decrease

@Zikato Isn't that fairly rare these days?

Zikato

These days yes but I can still remember it

Paul White

15:41

The Romans were big on baths

Only see showers at the swimming pool these days

Zikato

and Wells

Paul White

Heaps of those in Tunbridge, I'm told

Many people seem worried about it

ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells, London, United Kingdom

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Zikato

I wouldn't go that far. Only concerned

Paul White

I had never noticed the cricket theme b4 2day

Zikato

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Paul White

15:43

Far too far forward. Asking to get stumped

They have some gr8 horses in Weston

One in particular

Paul White

15:59

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